Sun May 22, 2016, 05:01 PM
mackdaddy (1,436 posts)
63% more people voted as Republicans than Democrats in the Ohio Primary.
I am not sure what this means for the general election, but it does not instill confidence.
This article talks about how many people crossed over and voted on the cross party ballot which is allowed in Ohio. More registered Democrats requested and voted on Republican specific ballots than vice-versa. But the bigger issue I see is how many more Republicans came out to vote. This is a Kasich vs Trump state, but if anything like this turnout happens in November, we will get trounced in Ohio.
http://www.athensmessenger.com/news/more-than-locals-switched-political-party-affiliation-in-primary/article_0cbe0d02-e83a-5617-91ae-e6aac1ead07f.html
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mackdaddy | May 2016 | OP |
Fawke Em | May 2016 | #1 | |
Baobab | May 2016 | #3 | |
doc03 | May 2016 | #2 | |
Baobab | May 2016 | #4 | |
doc03 | May 2016 | #7 | |
JaneyVee | May 2016 | #5 | |
OilemFirchen | May 2016 | #8 | |
Ash_F | May 2016 | #12 | |
OilemFirchen | May 2016 | #15 | |
Ash_F | May 2016 | #16 | |
hobbit709 | May 2016 | #6 | |
OilemFirchen | May 2016 | #10 | |
hobbit709 | May 2016 | #13 | |
OilemFirchen | May 2016 | #14 | |
SheenaR | May 2016 | #9 | |
Ash_F | May 2016 | #11 | |
apnu | May 2016 | #17 |
Response to mackdaddy (Original post)
Sun May 22, 2016, 05:15 PM
Fawke Em (11,366 posts)
1. I've been pointing to this all election.
It's happened in nearly every state, particularly the swing states.
And, yet, Hillary supporters keep telling Bernie supporters they don't need our votes by either saying that phrase outright or by not pressuring their candidate to incorporate some of the policies we like from Bernie. |
Response to Fawke Em (Reply #1)
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:07 PM
Baobab (4,667 posts)
3. They want Trump to win and have it be "plausibly deniable"
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Response to mackdaddy (Original post)
Sun May 22, 2016, 05:41 PM
doc03 (32,991 posts)
2. I witnessed that myself the day I voted 3 other people came to the board of
elections when I was there and all three switched from D to R I assume to vote for Trump. I actually
heard one man say I want to vote for Trump can I switch from Democrat to the Republican ballot, his wife was with him and she also switched to Republican. |
Response to doc03 (Reply #2)
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:08 PM
Baobab (4,667 posts)
4. he claims to be against trade deals
but I don't think that opposition is genuine.
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Response to Baobab (Reply #4)
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:26 PM
doc03 (32,991 posts)
7. That certainly goes against what Republicans have been preaching since the 70s.
Here is something to hit the Republicans with when they blame Clinton for NAFTA.
These are the votes from the Senate on NAFTA Repubs (for 34 and against 10 ) Dems (for 27 and against 28) Here are the votes in the House Repubs (for 132 against 43) Dems (for 102 against 156) One independent voted against I assume that was Bernie Sanders. As you can see both the Senate and House Democrats voted the NAFTA bill down, it was passed with mostly Republican votes. GHWB couldn't get it passed but Clinton was able to muster enough Democrat votes to force it down our throats. |
Response to mackdaddy (Original post)
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:13 PM
JaneyVee (19,877 posts)
5. Werent there 5 candidates on GOP side in Ohio?
More candidates = more GOTV drives.
Btw, Republicans have cast 10million ballots for Trump, but 15million ballots against Trump. |
Response to JaneyVee (Reply #5)
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:47 PM
OilemFirchen (6,915 posts)
8. Yes. And one of them happened to be the Governor.
That may have a wee bit to do with it.
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Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #8)
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:32 PM
Ash_F (5,861 posts)
12. Numbers have been like that in every swing state though.
Response to Ash_F (Reply #12)
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:42 PM
OilemFirchen (6,915 posts)
15. Which was JaneyVee's point.
The more candidates in a race, the greater the turnout.
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Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #15)
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:46 PM
Ash_F (5,861 posts)
16. I was referring to the Governor part
Also, I hope they are right about the GotV thing.
But the low enthusiasm for Dems needs to be addressed soon. There is not all the time in the world before Nov. |
Response to mackdaddy (Original post)
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:16 PM
hobbit709 (41,694 posts)
6. that's been pretty much a given in Ohio in my experience.
Response to hobbit709 (Reply #6)
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:57 PM
OilemFirchen (6,915 posts)
10. Except that it's not.
There's a reason Ohio's a swing state.
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Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #10)
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:54 PM
hobbit709 (41,694 posts)
13. When I lived in Marion it was hard-core Republican.
Response to hobbit709 (Reply #13)
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:40 PM
OilemFirchen (6,915 posts)
14. I can't speak to your experience.
Dayton - my home town - is fairly liberal.
But to your point, in 2008 Democratic primary voters outnumbered Republicans by about the same margin - in reverse - as this year. That's Ohio. Literally a swing state. And you cannot discount the impact that Kasich had in this primary. That said, unless Trump picks a popular Ohioan as his running-mate, Ohio should be Clinton's to lose. Demographics continue to shift to the Democrat's favor. |
Response to mackdaddy (Original post)
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:50 PM
SheenaR (2,052 posts)
9. I have expressed similar concern about my own state of RI
Record disaffiliation on the Democratic side to vote R in the Primary. Our governor has an approval rating in the 20's and she has been talked about as a possible Clinton cabinet choice. People connect the dots and its a huge reason Sanders won here.
It can happen anywhere. Even dark blue RI is in play if they aren't careful. |
Response to mackdaddy (Original post)
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:31 PM
Ash_F (5,861 posts)
11. Yes some have been bringing this up here. It is something Dem leadership needs to address.
Keep in mind that there has been a D in the White House for 8 years. Historically there is a lack of enthusiasm for the incumbent party after 8 years.
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Response to mackdaddy (Original post)
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:53 PM
apnu (8,646 posts)
17. Ohio is going to be a tough fight this year.
The economy there is trashed, unions are eroded in power and influence, jobs are fleeing the state. People are in a bad way in Ohio and the Republicans and especially serial liar Trump, will feed them red meat all day, every day. A lot of them are going to fall for it. The voters will never connect Republican economics and globalization to their plight.
Dems could talk up unions and middle class, but its going to fall on deaf ears. The recovery from W's recession has been a jobless one, they know it and it will be a hard sell for any Democrat to convince them that the Democrats can get their jobs back. |