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ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:54 AM May 2016

Election fraud in MA,IL,NY,DE,MD,AZ,NV & now KY make Hillary an illegitimate nominee

Nothing more.

Stopping her at the convention is no longer about 'sour grapes'. Cheaters are not legitimate. Remember Bush? They threw eggs at his inauguration limo! He had to get back in the limo, and could not do the walk. The bleachers were half empty. It was a sad affair.

There is nothing inspiring about Hillary's campaign. She breeds anger with her arrogance and disrespect for our rule of law. This really pisses attorneys off!

Editing to add the links, as Hillary's supporters say this is a bullshit OP. So here are the facts....the opinion part, is that I believe she is no longer a legitimate nominee.

Links:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/maryland-decertifies-baltimore-election-results-investigates-irregularities/2016/05/12/fca6e128-1861-11e6-9e16-2e5a123aac62_story.html

and....
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/13/chicago-election-official-admits-numbers-didnt-match-hillary-clinton-vs-bernie-sanders-election-fraud-allegations/

She is no longer a legitimate nominee with all the found, documented fraud.

And now Kentucky really shows what the hell is going on, certainly after Grimes said her job 'was to make sure Hillary wins'. Her staff doesn't even know what the function of that office is! I found this out first hand when I called Grimes office after the botched election in Kentucky. Due to her comments, I believe she should recuse herself from any recounting/re-scanning.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511994671

GO BERNIE!

Winners don't quit....and quitters don't win.


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Election fraud in MA,IL,NY,DE,MD,AZ,NV & now KY make Hillary an illegitimate nominee (Original Post) ViseGrip May 2016 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Gomez163 May 2016 #1
The Conspiracy Theory That the Clinton Campaign Stole Votes Makes No Sense Gothmog May 2016 #2
suppression, reregistering voters in the wrong party, lying, lying, lying reddread May 2016 #9
None of which have been traced back to Clinton but conspiracy theories thrive on evidence vacuums. LonePirate May 2016 #19
in other words, yes but its ok she didnt do it herself reddread May 2016 #31
You can believe whatever you want, even if there are no facts or evidence to back you up. LonePirate May 2016 #32
"none of which" reddread May 2016 #34
Haven't most, if not all, of the problems traced back to state or county-wide issues? toddwv May 2016 #35
Well, given that Clinton supporters keep excusing Bush' Florida election fraud by blaming hte left.. Scootaloo May 2016 #27
Gore won Florida-Sanders never was really in competition to be the nominee Gothmog May 2016 #40
Ridiculous apcalc May 2016 #3
I imagine tinfoil prices spike sharp_stick May 2016 #4
Sore losers always say this book_worm May 2016 #5
Cheaters always say THAT. dchill May 2016 #17
The only legitimate election is one Bernie wins, eh? CrowCityDem May 2016 #6
The DNC bias alone calls the legitimacy into question. Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #7
You should be embarrassed leftynyc May 2016 #8
Shouldn't this be in the Conspiracy Theory Forum?? RockaFowler May 2016 #10
+1 n/t SFnomad May 2016 #14
OMG - WE SO NEED A CONSPIRACY THEORY FORUM. I BOW TO YOU!!! Native May 2016 #23
du has one obamanut2012 May 2016 #25
That's right! I totally forgot - haven't visited that forum since my 1st year on DU in '02 Native May 2016 #33
You guys are out of your goddamn minds Recursion May 2016 #11
Emphasis on NOMINEE Renew Deal May 2016 #12
Right! The General Election doesn't matter lagomorph777 May 2016 #22
When someone is losing, they'll desperatly grab at any straw they can SFnomad May 2016 #13
my friend predicted this.... artyteacher May 2016 #15
What a bunch of whiners, sore losers and crybabies you Bernie or Busters are redstateblues May 2016 #16
And this is why Bernie needs to release his delegates before the convention Godhumor May 2016 #18
Seriously. This is approaching chtemtrails levels of crazy (nt) Recursion May 2016 #21
Really? I thought people here actually followed elections and the electronic shenanigans. ViseGrip May 2016 #30
With or without links Progressive dog May 2016 #20
... Here we go, buckle up y'all. Agschmid May 2016 #24
We often pretend that what sticks longest to the wall is objective... LanternWaste May 2016 #26
Yeah, maybe, but she's OUR illegitimate nominee ... JustABozoOnThisBus May 2016 #28
bernie is an illegitimate candidate because he whines about electoral fraud but doesn't MariaThinks May 2016 #29
ha ha..illegitimate is when you can't run for public office due to past crimes in office. ViseGrip May 2016 #39
Still waiting for Sanders legal team to challenge any of these state's results... Tarc May 2016 #36
NO SALE oasis May 2016 #37
We are not going away felix_numinous May 2016 #38
Your candidate lost. barrow-wight May 2016 #41

Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Gothmog

(154,935 posts)
2. The Conspiracy Theory That the Clinton Campaign Stole Votes Makes No Sense
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:58 AM
May 2016

The claims in the OP are simply false http://www.thenation.com/article/the-conspiracy-theory-that-the-clinton-campaign-stole-votes-makes-no-sense/

It’s a conspiracy theory, and conspiracy theories tend to fall apart under the weight of their own internal illogic. Consider the 9/11 attacks: If they were a “false flag” operation pulled off by a cabal of extremists within the Bush administration in order to create a casus belli for the invasion of Iraq, why wouldn’t they make the attackers evil Iraqi intelligence officers rather than citizens of Saudi Arabia? And if they really felt the need to bring down the World Trade Center, why bother shooting a missile at the Pentagon? Why crash an airplane into a field in the middle of nowhere in Pennsylvania? Even judged on its own terms, the theory makes no sense.

Obviously, if campaign operatives were caught rigging a primary or caucus, their candidate would face a media shit-storm, their political careers would be over, and they might well end up in prison. So let’s set aside the specifics for a moment and consider whether there’s a coherent motive for these crimes that would be worth the risk.

Put yourself in the shoes of a vicious Clinton operative with loose ethics and a desire to win at all costs. Why would such a person bother rigging the vote in Wyoming, the state with the fewest delegates up for grabs? That’s a significant risk and a lot of trouble to go through to turn what might have been an 8-6 or perhaps 9-5 delegate split into a 7-7 outcome.

he same problem holds more generally. While Sanders has run an excellent campaign and exceeded all expectations, at no point during the Democratic primaries has he been on track to win. Sanders has held a lead in a handful of national polls, but at no time in the past year has his support broken 42 percent in FiveThirtyEight’s weighted polling average. And at no point in the race has Clinton held a lead narrower than 9.7 percentage points in that average. Why would any campaign, no matter how unprincipled, fix a race that it’s been winning from the start?

Of course, we don’t have a national primary, and Sanders has only gained support—and eaten into Clinton’s—over time. But looking back at the calendar, there hasn’t been a time when the Clinton campaign would have had a rational incentive to start rigging the contests.

LonePirate

(13,907 posts)
19. None of which have been traced back to Clinton but conspiracy theories thrive on evidence vacuums.
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:21 AM
May 2016
 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
31. in other words, yes but its ok she didnt do it herself
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:24 AM
May 2016

that seems a fair assessment.
as opposed to buzz words and vacuous dismissiveness

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
34. "none of which"
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:44 AM
May 2016

sounds like you acknowledge them yourself.
based on evidence I presume.
plenty of documented problems.
thanks for the exercise.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
27. Well, given that Clinton supporters keep excusing Bush' Florida election fraud by blaming hte left..
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:53 AM
May 2016

One can forgive eyebrows raised in suspicion

Gothmog

(154,935 posts)
40. Gore won Florida-Sanders never was really in competition to be the nominee
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:56 PM
May 2016

Sanders never had a realistic chance of being the nominee. Sanders only did well in mainly white states with few POC voters. Sanders never had a significant appeal to key demographic groups in the base of the Democratic Party which is why he was never competitive

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
8. You should be embarrassed
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:01 AM
May 2016

at being such a poor loser. I can only speak to my state - a state Hillary would have won by even more if those 100,000+ Brooklyn voters weren't purged. Sour grapes indeed.

Native

(6,660 posts)
33. That's right! I totally forgot - haven't visited that forum since my 1st year on DU in '02
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:42 AM
May 2016

Dang. I'll have to look into that forum again.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
22. Right! The General Election doesn't matter
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:32 AM
May 2016

as long as the Presumptuous Nominee, HRM HRC, gets the party's tiara!

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
13. When someone is losing, they'll desperatly grab at any straw they can
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:04 AM
May 2016

no matter how embarrassing it makes them look.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
18. And this is why Bernie needs to release his delegates before the convention
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:12 AM
May 2016

We're entering unhinged territory.

Progressive dog

(7,245 posts)
20. With or without links
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:26 AM
May 2016

that makes no sense. It's like Bernie blaming the DNC for treating him as any other Democrat.
The Democratic voters have spoken, the revolution has been cancelled.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
26. We often pretend that what sticks longest to the wall is objective...
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:50 AM
May 2016

We often pretend that what sticks longest to the wall before finally sagging down to the linoleum is objective, allowing our bias to imagine fecal matter is both righteous and true.

Hilary wins only fraudulent elections. Sanders wins are dramatic, pure and without sin.

Every. Single. Time.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,789 posts)
28. Yeah, maybe, but she's OUR illegitimate nominee ...
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:54 AM
May 2016

... a little better than that OTHER illegitimate nominee.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
29. bernie is an illegitimate candidate because he whines about electoral fraud but doesn't
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:57 AM
May 2016

acknowledge when it was been used to suppress Clinton votes and turnout.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
39. ha ha..illegitimate is when you can't run for public office due to past crimes in office.
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:47 PM
May 2016

Buh bye Hillary!

barrow-wight

(744 posts)
41. Your candidate lost.
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:03 PM
May 2016

Get over it. He got fewer votes. A whole bunch of people didn't believe he as Jesus. It happens.

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