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cali

(114,904 posts)
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:50 PM May 2016

The minute Bernie drops out, the rush to embrace him by the very dems excoriating

him, will be dizzying.

And no, he won't be losing committee assignments.

As for those of you who think it's a great idea to make the democratic party more restrictive, let me remind you that only 28% of voters are democrats. Not to mention that both parties are unpopular with independents. Not a good plan to grow the party.


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The minute Bernie drops out, the rush to embrace him by the very dems excoriating (Original Post) cali May 2016 OP
it's already starting grasswire May 2016 #1
That's for public consumption only, so I suspect these things are being said at the direction of merrily May 2016 #5
Ford, right? LOL just saw that too. I won't say here what I really thought......nt nc4bo May 2016 #6
Ford and Dean are acting on directions from the Hillary campaign. merrily May 2016 #8
They are her surrogates. NPR is their delivery system also today. glinda May 2016 #10
NPR has been in the bag for Hill, totally and disgustingly, for months. senz May 2016 #22
They've been disgusting. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #29
I just posted to them that they don't need my money as they glinda May 2016 #72
Just heard Howard Dean making conciliatory remarks on NPR. senz May 2016 #19
he was last night, too grasswire May 2016 #20
Bad internal polling, perhaps? senz May 2016 #23
There's something up, because a confident campaign doesn't act like this. n/t QC May 2016 #25
Or, conversely, they could be feeling very confident about the primary senz May 2016 #42
Dumbest thing to do ever Mnpaul May 2016 #33
the democratic party is not restrictive. anybody can be a member. even people who bad mouth it like msongs May 2016 #2
When the party resorts to the underhandedness of D. Wasserman Schultz ..... I'll bad mouth it. Zen Democrat May 2016 #4
Or you? Bernie's done a hell of a lot more for the Democratic Party than it's done for him. merrily May 2016 #7
I don't think it'll happen. TransitJohn May 2016 #3
They've already lost the progressive & youth vote... Yurovsky May 2016 #9
He should not drop out. glinda May 2016 #11
At this point I don't think Weaver is going to allow him to drop out. NCTraveler May 2016 #12
Weaver does not control Bernie. cali May 2016 #14
I don't buy that for a Second. NCTraveler May 2016 #16
Funny how Bernie can be a schemer and a puppet at the same time. Scootaloo May 2016 #27
No doubt Weaver has taken over. NCTraveler May 2016 #31
Sorry, I know Bernie. You don't. And you are just full of it cali May 2016 #30
I don't think so. I understand you do. NCTraveler May 2016 #32
I've been familiar with weaver for years. You are not. cali May 2016 #36
I don't think so. NCTraveler May 2016 #39
I'm an expert witness, because I say I am... TwilightZone May 2016 #41
You guys are... something. No one has slimier operative than hilly cali May 2016 #60
But Clinton!!!! TwilightZone May 2016 #69
WDS frylock May 2016 #50
They can't buy, they don't know what to do! kcjohn1 May 2016 #13
"28% of voters are democrats". Not anymore. 36% and rising. TwilightZone May 2016 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author pmorlan1 May 2016 #17
Correct pmorlan1 May 2016 #18
They would have switched back anyway. TwilightZone May 2016 #24
But Foolish pmorlan1 May 2016 #26
Encourage what? Switching back to I? TwilightZone May 2016 #28
Lifelong Dem here, thinking of switching to I after the primary. senz May 2016 #35
I am switching back and dropping my preceinct committeeperson job timmymoff May 2016 #67
Any many will change back after the primaries. I will. Luminous Animal May 2016 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #52
But it will all be fake. They will pet his ego until the election. Then all bets are off. anotherproletariat May 2016 #34
He is immune to ego strokes. senz May 2016 #37
Ummm...have you been watching his campaign? Just when he was losing media coverage, anotherproletariat May 2016 #40
He never had media coverage. The media chose to cover his response senz May 2016 #43
Yes, I have never seen a politician so in it for the fame. Every move he has made for the past eastwestdem May 2016 #49
Well, don't bet the farm on it. nt ucrdem May 2016 #38
And if the Hill campaign tells you to get friendly to Bernie? senz May 2016 #44
Oh they'll be cordial and polite, no worries there. ucrdem May 2016 #48
I heard Boxer went gushy on him today. senz May 2016 #51
Great, I hope he's famous forever, but as far as November goes he's a problem. ucrdem May 2016 #53
As far as November goes, Hillary's a problem. senz May 2016 #55
Bernie is plucking the lowest of low hanging fruit and would be clobbered in seconds by Trump. ucrdem May 2016 #63
Bernie doesn't talk about those things. senz May 2016 #70
Hillary is a weak, weak candidate. That's on her, the dem establishment and cali May 2016 #62
For a weak candidate she's doing pretty damn well. She'll have it sewn up well before Philly. nt ucrdem May 2016 #68
You won't see it from me. hrmjustin May 2016 #45
Right. Hillary's more your speed. senz May 2016 #56
I hope he has enough "Go fuck yourself"s to go around. Matt_in_STL May 2016 #46
Hmmm. I think it'll be more like "we need to stop Trump so vote for Hillary", Nye Bevan May 2016 #59
Thank you. H2O Man May 2016 #47
Can you provide a statement excoriating Bernie? nt BootinUp May 2016 #54
Embrace him with very dirty hands. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #57
If people know that they have to join the Democratic party if they want a say Nye Bevan May 2016 #58
No. Disgust does not motivate people to join a party they see riddled with corruption cali May 2016 #61
In the past I would have said yes but after the shitstorm this primary season has been, nope. jillan May 2016 #65
They want his email list. I pray Bernie does NOT give it to them. jillan May 2016 #64
They're still pointing their fingers at Bernie. senz May 2016 #71
As a Bernie supporter, I will be very surprised if Hillary offers him something JCanete May 2016 #66

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
1. it's already starting
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:52 PM
May 2016

Just today I saw Harold saying that HRC needs to make concessions and promises to him right now; to give him what he wants.

Howard Dean said the same thing Friday night. Give him things now.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
5. That's for public consumption only, so I suspect these things are being said at the direction of
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:58 PM
May 2016

the Hillary campaign. If Howard Dean has something he wants Hillary to know, he picks up the phone and dials her or someone close to her. He does not pick up the phone and call MSNBC and hope they decide to air it while Hillary is watching.

IOW, kabuki.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
22. NPR has been in the bag for Hill, totally and disgustingly, for months.
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:33 PM
May 2016

They lie, they spin, they falsify, they twist for Hillary. They hurt Bernie. I, a decades-long supporter, cancelled my "evergreen" subscription with them a few weeks ago after one such incident and must confess how gratifying it was to hear their dismay over the phone (it was during pledge week.)

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
29. They've been disgusting.
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:53 PM
May 2016

Their once-reliable objectivity slipped badly in 2008...and ironically, it was against Hillary in that one. They're entirely in the bag for her this time, though...and managed to earn my non-support (something I never thought would happen).

glinda

(14,807 posts)
72. I just posted to them that they don't need my money as they
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:11 AM
May 2016

have enough funding from the Kochs and Exxon, etc..... that they don't need to be using our money to fund their propaganda and should have their non-profit status revoked.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
19. Just heard Howard Dean making conciliatory remarks on NPR.
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:27 PM
May 2016

Does anyone ever say what they mean anymore?

OTOH, this suggests that we, in our loyalty and allegiance to Bernie, are making the Hill camp and the DNC nervous.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
20. he was last night, too
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:29 PM
May 2016

Things are beginning to look chaotic in their campaign management.

Who is in charge now? Bill?

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
42. Or, conversely, they could be feeling very confident about the primary
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:14 PM
May 2016

and worried sick over the GE now that they've managed to thoroughly alienate independents and progressive Democrats.

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
33. Dumbest thing to do ever
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:59 PM
May 2016

Listening to a loser like Ford.

Anti-gay marriage, pro Iraq war, pro Alito, pro life, pro Schiavo, pro bankruptcy bill

why should Bernie listen to his advice?

msongs

(67,194 posts)
2. the democratic party is not restrictive. anybody can be a member. even people who bad mouth it like
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:54 PM
May 2016

bernie sanders

merrily

(45,251 posts)
7. Or you? Bernie's done a hell of a lot more for the Democratic Party than it's done for him.
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:59 PM
May 2016

Or than you've done for the Democratic Party.

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
9. They've already lost the progressive & youth vote...
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:01 PM
May 2016

maybe not as a percentage vs Trump, but in terms of turnout. I'm not voting to hand over what's left of America to Goldman Sachs.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
12. At this point I don't think Weaver is going to allow him to drop out.
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:08 PM
May 2016

Weaver is in this until he loses on the first ballot.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
27. Funny how Bernie can be a schemer and a puppet at the same time.
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:52 PM
May 2016

I'm always fascinated by the contortions of persons like yourself. Please do continue.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
31. No doubt Weaver has taken over.
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:56 PM
May 2016

They are so off message from what brought about their rise. I don't get why politicians completely change when they are rising and increasing in popularity. It's Weavers show these days.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
32. I don't think so. I understand you do.
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:59 PM
May 2016

It's the Weaver show.

Not trying to be offensive I just know Sanders has consistently held higher standards than this. WEGO should be their new logo. Weavers Ego.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
39. I don't think so.
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:07 PM
May 2016

Weaver is one ego driven guy. He has the ethics of Brock but he is running the campaign. Each move is his.

I'm not going to say I don't believe you as you have done to me. Simply serves no purpose.

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
41. I'm an expert witness, because I say I am...
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:13 PM
May 2016

--Don Henley, portraying Satan

I share your opinion of Weaver. One doesn't have to "know" him to understand what's driving him.

Devine is just as bad - or worse. He's milking this for all it's worth.

Source for Don Henley quote, just because it's one of my favorites:

kcjohn1

(751 posts)
13. They can't buy, they don't know what to do!
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:09 PM
May 2016

They are in pickle. He is not in this for personal glory or financial gain. What can they give him, except his positions, which their financiers are against?

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
15. "28% of voters are democrats". Not anymore. 36% and rising.
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:11 PM
May 2016

Gallup is an outlier. If you look at more than one poll, Democrats are at 36% and climbing. Independents are down to about 31%. Democrats have been the largest voting bloc in the country since late December/early January.

This makes perfect sense, of course, if you use a little critical thinking. Independents are registering as Democrats and Republicans to vote in closed and semi-closed primaries. So, their numbers are dropping; the others are rising. Math.

Registration trend, based on 1200+ polls: http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/party-identification

Response to TwilightZone (Reply #15)

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
18. Correct
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:24 PM
May 2016

and now the DNC wants to get rid of all those newly registered Democrats and have them become Independents once again.

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
24. They would have switched back anyway.
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:40 PM
May 2016

That's generally how it goes. Register to vote in primaries; switch back between for the street cred.

Sanders is a Democrat of convenience, so it shouldn't be surprising that many of his supporters would be the same. It makes logical sense to expect them to switch back after the election. Many are independents, at heart.

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
28. Encourage what? Switching back to I?
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:52 PM
May 2016

Independents can vote in general elections, so I guess I'm missing your point.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
35. Lifelong Dem here, thinking of switching to I after the primary.
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:00 PM
May 2016

I didn't leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left me.

I joined the party of FDR, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter. Not this mess.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
67. I am switching back and dropping my preceinct committeeperson job
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:22 PM
May 2016

I won't morally go out and canvass for Hillary. I will other dems but not Hillary. If they county party is cool with that I will remain, if not, see ya! Maybe i'll move to Florida and help Tim Canova destroy DWS.

Response to TwilightZone (Reply #15)

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
34. But it will all be fake. They will pet his ego until the election. Then all bets are off.
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:00 PM
May 2016

Luckily, he enjoys having his ego stroked, so it should get the desired results.

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
40. Ummm...have you been watching his campaign? Just when he was losing media coverage,
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:09 PM
May 2016

he increases the rhetoric (not truly condemning violence among his supporters, calling out the DNC) just to get back in the news cycle. I haven't heard him talk about his idealistic dreams for a long time.

That trip to the Vatican was purely ego, no matter how you try to spin it.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
43. He never had media coverage. The media chose to cover his response
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:25 PM
May 2016

to the Nevada event; if they hadn't, you would not have heard of it.

He talks about his "idealistic dreams" all the fucking time. YOU don't hear it because the media doesn't cover it, and all you know is what the MSM tells you.

The Vatican trip was Bernie's acceptance of an invitation to speak at an international conference on economic inequality -- a lifelong passion of Bernie's, in case you didn't know.

I'm getting the impression that you're not very well-informed.

 

eastwestdem

(1,220 posts)
49. Yes, I have never seen a politician so in it for the fame. Every move he has made for the past
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:31 PM
May 2016

year is only about how he can increase his personal focus.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
48. Oh they'll be cordial and polite, no worries there.
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:31 PM
May 2016

But from listening to Boxer who used to talk about him in glowing terms, even when she was acting as a Hill surrogate, I get the strong impression that he's lost his luster as far as Democrats are concerned. They can win without him even if he goes 3rd party so he'll get what he deserves and not a lot more.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
51. I heard Boxer went gushy on him today.
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:45 PM
May 2016

It's just his supporters they're after now.

This may be something you cannot understand, but Bernie did not enter the primary for money, fame, and power. All he wanted was to get a political revolution started in our country.

As for what he deserves, he has already won the eternal gratitude of millions of unimportant little people like me, and I wouldn't be surprised to see his story written up in biographies, songs, and perhaps a movie. Because what Bernie has managed to accomplish is inspiring to the human spirit.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
53. Great, I hope he's famous forever, but as far as November goes he's a problem.
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:47 PM
May 2016

I'm glad Boxer said nice things if she did but that isn't what I heard.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
55. As far as November goes, Hillary's a problem.
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:54 PM
May 2016

Her slim chance against Trump is shrinking away.

Bernie, otoh, does much better against Trump.

Or is your highest desire simply the installation of Hillary Clinton in the White House?

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
63. Bernie is plucking the lowest of low hanging fruit and would be clobbered in seconds by Trump.
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:13 PM
May 2016

As usual he's running against the Democrat specifically Hillary using the turdblossom playbook. She's corrupt, she lies, Bill's a player, etc etc. We've heard it all before and surprise, it's working like magic all over again and having the same effect it was originally created for -- to turn Dems against their party. That's a problem.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
70. Bernie doesn't talk about those things.
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:26 PM
May 2016

The only things he criticizes about Hill are her votes, her secret speeches, and her donors. He doesn't talk about her lies and her husband.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
62. Hillary is a weak, weak candidate. That's on her, the dem establishment and
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:12 PM
May 2016

folks like you.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
68. For a weak candidate she's doing pretty damn well. She'll have it sewn up well before Philly. nt
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:22 PM
May 2016
 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
45. You won't see it from me.
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:29 PM
May 2016

I will be glad to see it over and his endorsement but I will not be falling all over myself to compliment him.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
59. Hmmm. I think it'll be more like "we need to stop Trump so vote for Hillary",
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:07 PM
May 2016

but at some point we'll see which of us is right.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
58. If people know that they have to join the Democratic party if they want a say
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:06 PM
May 2016

in who our candidate will be, won't that encourage more people to join the party?

jillan

(39,451 posts)
65. In the past I would have said yes but after the shitstorm this primary season has been, nope.
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:18 PM
May 2016

I expect to see registered Dems at their lowest numbers ever.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
64. They want his email list. I pray Bernie does NOT give it to them.
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:16 PM
May 2016

They took more than enough when the firewall was down. And then pointed fingers at Bernie.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
71. They're still pointing their fingers at Bernie.
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:28 PM
May 2016

I've seen them bring up the data breach several times over the past few days.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
66. As a Bernie supporter, I will be very surprised if Hillary offers him something
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:20 PM
May 2016

of any non-token value. He's a thorn in the establishment side, so it surprises me that surrogates like Dean and Ford Jr. would be calling for this. it could be I'm wrong, but I don't think the DNC wants Sanders in a prominent place, and they would prefer to tarnish his reputation to the point where he fades back into relative obscurity and has no party soap box to stand on. It could be they think he might bite at something trivial, or that he might trade on his greater message for smaller concessions, but if that's the case, I hope they're wrong.
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