Do you think it's a good idea to portray women Democrats as terrified of verbal protests?

[Skwmom]

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Boxer said she felt threatened after outbursts and threats at the Nevada Democratic Convention from supporters of Sanders over the weekend.

"I feared for my safety and I had a lot of security around me," she told CNN's Kate Bolduan on "At This Hour." "I've never had anything like this happen."

Do you realize how RIDICULOUS you sound?

Whose brilliant idea was this?

And this over the top smearing is REALLY going to help Clinton.

Hmmm... maybe Boxer wants to be the first woman President?

Trump should send Boxer a great big gift basket

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/18/politics/barbara-boxer-nevada-convention/index.html

Update: According to Erin Bilbray Nina Turner was supposed to speak before Boxer but they put Boxer on before her when the crowd was booing because of what the convention chair had done. So did Barbara try to quiet the crowd? Of course not. But Turner did when she stepped up to the podium. Imagine that.

With these stupid political games we are setting back the advancement of women decades.

Note: As someone pointed out on another thread, would you antagonize those you fear? And her comments cannot be viewed as trying to tamp down emotions.

[H2O Man]

1. no

[reddread]

2. that terror comes from the conscience

[bettyellen]

86. But where does all this ridiculous pop- psychology come from?

I see tons of it every day here. Maybe you all ought to do "some yoga" to chill out.

[Joob]

3. There was no violence. Tons of videos out there.They are campaigning against Bernie supporters now

Not Bernie.

[uponit7771]

37. There were people raising chairs above their heads and screaming bitch etc

[Luminous Animal]

43. Do tell.

[Fawke Em]

52. It's so threatening, that even a child can do it.

Classroom exercises. Wonder if the teacher feels threatened.

[choie]

4. Politicians are not used to any push back

much less yelling...they're very fragile, you know... They're used to the electorate rolling over and playing dead.

[riversedge]

5. Take your post down before look more foolish than you already are. Boxer's fear was real. Shame on

you for mocking her.

[Ferd Berfel]

12. THen why did she stay so long and antagonize as many as she could?

What swiftboating nonsense

here's Boxer trolling the convention and doing what she could to enrage people

https://www.facebook.com/seanaldenfitzgerald/videos/1734291036812104/

[Skwmom]

21. Her language was intended to incite not calm the crowd.

[Ferd Berfel]

42. Of course it was

now she claims to be soooo scared

What bullshit

[Skwmom]

18. I am mocking the fake drama to manipulate voters.

[riversedge]

19. You are saying that Boxer is lying. Shame on you again. You never learn

[frylock]

45. Boxer is lying.

Shame on her.

[timmymoff]

63. I will say Boxer is lying and feel not one ounce of shame saying it.

[ucrdem]

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[arcane1]

6. Meanwhile, and actual woman experiences actual violence, and these frauds have nothing to say.

Sexism is just another tool for Camp Clinton to exploit when convenient.

[Skwmom]

17. Fake crap like this diminishes acts where woman are truly threatened.

[arcane1]

20. Those truly-threatened women are just pawns to this campaign.

[hamsterjill]

40. No, crap like the OP diminish the fact that women should speak up when they feel threatened.

Because women who do speak up, get treated like Boxer is being treated.

Yes, she had security. Security in that venue was appropriate. Nevertheless, if she says she felt threatened, I believe her, and I do NOT take that lightly.

Would you have been happier if some over exuberant protestor would have stormed the stage?

[Ferd Berfel]

7. But Clinton Supporters are so, so Delicate

as can be seen by the kinds of posts they alert here - among other things


Yeah - I guess Boxer is lucky she's not running against any Trump-like creatures

[closeupready]

8. Ignore the Shillbots here - Boxer is becoming an embarrassment to herself.

I suppose there's merit to the idea that for those elected officials like her who've gotten comfortable, over time, getting fat and rich in exchange for giving favors to the 1%, that passionate opponents threaten her sense of entitlement. THAT, I get.

[JoePhilly]

25. Attacking a popular CA dem is a BRILLIANT strategy right before the CA primary!!!

[closeupready]

28. Don't care. I have an opinion. This is mine.

[scscholar]

9. I saw a picture of the chair raised...

and that goes way beyond a verbal protest.

[kiva]

13. And did you see it put back down?

Recap: no one was injured; no property damage to the room at the Paris; lots of people yelling and some using bad words.

[notadmblnd]

78. Was it a lawn chair? A folding chair?

A recliner? Maybe it was one of those big ole scary kitchen chairs?

My mother used to be afraid of chairs. Yeah, she was afraid someone would scoot it up to the table without lifting their ass out of it and it would scratch her floors.

She really hated rocking chairs. Those rocking chairs could actually bump the wall and leave a mark.

Don't get me started on how she felt about swivel chairs now. We could be here all day.

[riversedge]

10. It was Boxer who said she was fearful. why are you laughing at her fear?

[Skwmom]

16. It is really hard to believe she was fearful. But playing the false victim card seems to be SOP.

[mythology]

11. As opposed to telling women to ignore some random guy

Threatening to kill them? Do you realize how stupid you sound making excuses for the shitty behavior of some Sanders supporters? Telling the victim to suck it up instead of telling the cockroaches to act like decent human beings is pathetic.

I've gone my entire life without feeling the need to threaten somebody's life to get my way.

[Skwmom]

15. People were booing. The over reaction is ridiculous.

[highprincipleswork]

14. Establishment Democrats appear frightened of so much. That is why they are worthless, sacrificing

anything worth fighting over to the first highwayman that comes along. And believe me, in the Republican Party there are plenty of highwaymen (highwaypersons?).

[NCTraveler]

22. You have flat out lost it.

A number of Sanders supporters are using fear tactics like Bush used 911. It's really difficult to tell your op and their words apart. Amazing how great progressives are under attack by many Sanders supporters.

[JoePhilly]

24. I think ...

... some of them have now entered the "sh*t stirring" phase of grief.

Won't win, can't bargain ... might as well stir things up while they can.

[Skwmom]

34. Who instigated this smear campaign? Not the Bernie supporters.

[NCTraveler]

36. Who started it.

Impressive.

[frylock]

47. This is pure projection.

Shocking.

[NCTraveler]

48. Nah. I'm mocking the attempt at fear tactics.

You can call it what you want. All good by me.

[frylock]

54. The only people sowing fear is Hillary Supporter.

You guys are fueled by your fears. It serves to cloud your judgment.

[NCTraveler]

55. Now that's projection.

I'm glad we now have a nice example as you improperly used the word above.

[frylock]

58. Sorry, but you're a gaslighter.

[NCTraveler]

60. Improper label again.

Not projection on your part this time. Well done.

[frylock]

61. You're doing it now.

Bravo

[NCTraveler]

62. Your argument is rock solid.

Impressive even.

[frylock]

65. You having fun?

Try not to make a mess on your keyboard.

[NCTraveler]

66. I am. I'm not suppose to be taking you projection and labels seriously..

Am I?

[Number23]

67. I was about to say the EXACT same thing. Someone's gone round the bend

and more than likely, ain't coming back either.

[JoePhilly]

23. Build a straw-man, knock him over, declare victory!!!!

[Agschmid]

26. It's not a "verbal protest" to yell "bitch" at a woman.

To say it is, is ludicrous.

[Peachhead22]

32. Calling someone a b**** is not a "threat" either

Rude as hell, yes. Reason to be fearful? Give me a break.

Clinton and her supporters constantly playing the victim card is counterproductive in the extreme. If they aren't careful they'll give voters the impression that, if HRC is elected, when Putin, ISIS or Kim Jong Il act up Clinton will try to complain to a referee, when no referee exists, rather than standing up to "those big ol' meanies."

[Agschmid]

33. I never said it was a threat.

But it certainly also is NOT a "verbal protest".

[JoePhilly]

81. The 11 hour ass kicking she gave the GOP Benghazi hearing kind of puts your ...

... "victim card" nonsense to rest.

[alcibiades_mystery]

27. It's fun watching you lose

[winter is coming]

29. I don't think it's a good idea for women to lie about feeling threatened.

All it does is make it easier to dismiss the accounts of women who are/were in legitimately dangerous situations.

I've seen the video of Boxer speaking. She was egging on the crowd. She wanted them to yell ugly things, so she could play victim on TV. This was all calculated to push a "Bernie supporters are dangerous!" meme.

[Skwmom]

35. Of course it was. A skilled politician like Boxer knew what she was doing.

[Waiting For Everyman]

30. People HAVE TO yell at a caucus.

There is no other way to respond to what's being presented. If they don't like something, they boo. What a shock.

If Barbie and others can't handle that, they should not have gone to a caucus.

It's an intentional smear, there's no way around that, by all involved. They're deliberately lying about other people to get an advantage for themselves. That's what's unacceptable to use DWS's word.

And yes, these so-called tough, capable women are looking pretty stupid.

[snowy owl]

31. Anybody watching last night knows this is BS! Two guards behind her-hardly surrounded.

You know, if she can't stand the heat, she shouldn't have gone. I wonder why she did? But it is more proof the establishment is one big club. Tapper is going on about it now - Bakara Sellers who railed against Sanders last night is singing a different tune today Giving Bernie praise for bringing to light all the changes in system needed and pointing out that NV had few polling places and (set themselves up for this. - my inference) He's much calmer and more thoughtful today. He is a Clinton supporter and very rash and outspoken. Somebody talked to him. Changes in our primary process do need to be made.

[CanadaexPat]

38. They are playing a sexist sexism card with

this meme. It's a bit over the top but really, who cares? It only works on the people it's going to work on, and that's not Bernie supporters.

[Sheepshank]

39. Angry, vocal, insulting, out of control group with no sense of boundaries.

Pack mentality can be unpredictable.

No one should take for granted they won't take things one step further.

[frazzled]

41. Well, this OP could have come right out of Trump's mouth

Instead of denigrating the aggressive behavior of bullies, turn it around and make fun of women. (And not just any women, but a distinguished progressive long-time Democratic senator).

Good work, there. Next, let's laugh at death threats. They're hilarious, and only show how authentic Bernie and his supporters are. I'm thoroughly disgusted.

[pdsimdars]

73. Well you got it backwards.

The only bullying was by that chairwoman. . . ramming her agenda down everyone's throats while behind a phalanx of police. . . now THAT was the real intimidation.
That BS they made up about Bernie supporters was a LIE, no evidence and if there had been trouble why didn't the police move and arrest people? No, the Democrats LIED.
It's all on video. . . and Barbara got booed. What did she expect? She should have been smart enough not to go out there and try to make that a Hillary victory rally. She was stupid and got booed.
If you were disgusted with that and not with the UNDEMOCRATIC process then you have missed thw whole point of what our country stands for.

[frazzled]

75. Keep on believing in the stardust fairy

Bernie Sanders and his minions are playing a nasty, hateful, illicit game. When they can't win by the rules they claim they're "unfair." They lie and act like bullies. They play sexist and racist cards continuously. They live in a delusional world of self-importance and deception. It's a sad, sad, ugly "movement" that I hope gets flushed down the john before it stinks up the place beyond deodorizing.

You don't even know the meaning of democracy. You make it up in your own little head and then try to convince people you have the answer. I'm too smart to fall for this crap and I'm not going to sit quietly on the sidelines as I have for months. This is simply the worst candidacy I have witnessed in my (substantial) lifetime. It feels like Huey Long wrapped up in George Wallace and tied up in a raggedy bow made of barbed wire.

I'm sick of all the BernieBros CAPITAL LETTERS and yelling and whining and crackpot delusions. I'm even sicker of the candidate and his ugly deceptions. He hasn't created a "revolution." He's created a monster.

This demagoguery has to end. The lies his campaign promulgates and that his supporters lap up like quotations from Chairman Mao's little red book need to end.

[FSogol]

44. Awful rhetoric. A new low and that's really saying something.

[silvershadow]

49. Just a meme to deflect from their complicity, while furthering their narrative. A twofer. nt

[felix_numinous]

50. Anyone who falsely claims to be attacked

has harmed all who are genuinely attacked. They are causing great harm to the cause of women's rights by creating these dramas out of thin air.

[kcjohn1]

51. She is on tv crying about being booed

These people think they are royalty or something. Don't these politicians know they work for us, and not the other way around?

[CajunBlazer]

53. A trotally disgraceful thread

Every disgraceful post should be shown the wastebasket.

When a political campaign turns into a screaming match, when people are threatened with upraised chairs, when a very progressive and very respected Senator is verbally harassed, when both adults and children are threatened with bodily harm by dozens of autonomous callers, would you actually defend this kind of behavior personally in front of your friends and family instead of anonymously on a internet website? If so you should be very ashamed of yourself.

[nadinbrzezinski]

56. Nope and while raucus

that convention from all video was just that, chaotic and full of caucus.

[wildeyed]

57. And there goes Barbara Boxer,

under the bus! Y'all out of room there yet? Who ISN'T under there, now?

And speaking of sounding ridiculous; pot, meet kettle!

[Tarc]

59. This is the sort of misogynist "girls just gotta develop a thicker skin" catcall

that they have been hearing in the workplace for decades now. So, good job perpetuating that, I guess.

[TheKentuckian]

64. No, more of the quit with that lame, phony act trying play the delicate flower routine for a scummy

political maneuver.

All the crocodile tear fake hand wringing needs to pipe the fuck down. It is ridiculous, pitiful, sad, and harder to buy than front row seats for the Jimi Hendrix resurrection tour.

[Tarc]

69. Doubling down on the misogyny. Stay classy, there

[TheKentuckian]

80. What misogyny is that? I'm thinking your dictionary is broken or you have comprehension issues.

[Tarc]

83. See this post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1998926

[TheKentuckian]

84. I didn't say anything about thicker skin. I said to cut it out with the phony crocodile tears and

lies.

She went backward B with it. I don't buy it for a second and think she intentionally went to kick a hornets nest to make scummy political hay and I'd say nothing different if it was a man.

Enough with the slander and false witness.

[Tarc]

88. You're just doubling-down at this point

Welcome to Ignore.

[TheKentuckian]

89. No, I'm not going to accept your bogus allegations and false witness.

Nor your entertain your inane apparently infinite definition and cop out defense field of misogyny.

Rock on with your weak sauce ignore. I'm sure I will absolutely and for sure come down with the vapors should that come to fruition.

[riversedge]

68. Do you think it is a good idea to demean and mock a progressive Democrat on a Democratic

board?

Of course you do!--You just did and you should be ashamed of yourself

[pdsimdars]

70. Don't yell at her, she might feel threatened and push the nuclear launch button.

"Well, I felt threatened and didn't know what to do."

Like you pointed out, great strategy. Do these people ever think something through or just go with the gut reaction every time? Kind of like the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld action plan. . . act first and see what happens.

[Skwmom]

71. In playing their political games they reinforce a stereotype about women.

As a woman I find it offensive that she plays the poor little me card, you big bad Bernie supporters have scared me with your boos.

[JTFrog]

72. Jesus this place is fucking pathetic.

No wonder the admin are ashamed of their website right now.

[pdsimdars]

74. And she is from CALIFORNIA. What the hell was she doing at the NEVADA caucus?

She was there playing her role as DNC shill and there to provoke. Or else WHY was she there at all? What does the NV caucus have to do with California's upcoming primary?

[bettyellen]

87. What was Nina Turner doing there? Why did they vote 30 min after it started? So many questions!

None of them good one though.

[notadmblnd]

76. Words are scary things

Fear is what we thrive on. We must all be afraid at all times. Especially women. Without fear, we can not generate hate. Where would we be if we could not generate hate?

[Zorra]

77. ...Take these pink ribbons off my eyes

[all american girl]

79. Wow, so 50-100, mostly men screaming at her, calling her bitch

and, quite honestly, some looking like they were being held back, would be scary....

How about these grown ass people take responsibility for their own bad behavior. It wasn't her fault that they were acting like hooligans...that falls all on them.

And I like it how you dismiss a woman because it looks bad for the Sanders side. I believe she was scared, because I know I would have been. But you go ahead and dismiss the horrible way a woman was treated.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

82. Politicians being scared of delegates is pretty pathetic.

What was she scared of?

[bettyellen]

85. Anyone might have been in fear- for others or themselves when people were pushing on barricades

keeping them from the stage. What does this have to do with women, in your mind? What kind of assumptions are you making about women. Any thinking person would be very intimidated by people shouting slurs and lifting chairs.

[seabeyond]

90. I truly cannot believe you would manipulate a conversation about an intimidation and sexist

insults of a crowd, in a contained space, with women being weak. The audacity.