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Wed May 18, 2016, 06:17 AM

The garbage is coming from the top ...

Totally deligitimazed. His legacy is in ashes ....

For months I'd thought and written that Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver was the key driver of toxicity in the the Democratic primary race. Weaver has been highly visible on television, far more than campaign managers tend to be. He's also been the one constantly upping the tension, pressing the acrimony and unrealism of the campaign as Sanders actual chances of winning dwindled.

But now I realize I had that wrong.

Actually, I didn't realize it. People who know told me.

Over the last several weeks I've had a series of conversations with multiple highly knowledgable, highly placed people. Perhaps it's coming from Weaver too. The two guys have been together for decades. But the 'burn it down' attitude, the upping the ante, everything we saw in that statement released today by the campaign seems to be coming from Sanders himself. Right from the top.

This should have been obvious to me. The tone and tenor of a campaign always come from the top. It wasn't obvious to me until now.

This might be because he's temperamentally like that. There's some evidence for that. It may also be that, like many other presidential contenders, once you get close it is simply impossible to let go. I don't know which it is. That would only be my speculation. But this is coming from Bernie Sanders. It's not Weaver. It's not driven by people around him. It's right from him. And what I understand from knowledgable sources is that in the last few weeks anyone who was trying to rein it in has basically stopped trying and just decided to let Bernie be Bernie.

Sanders speech tonight was right in line with his statement out this afternoon. He identified the Democratic party as an essentially corrupt, moribund institution which is now on notice that it must let 'the people' in. What about the coalitions Barack Obama built in 2008 and 2012, the biggest and most diverse presidential coalitions ever constructed?

Sanders narrative today has essentially been that he is political legitimacy. The Democratic party needs to realize that. This, as I said earlier, is the problem with lying to your supporters. Sanders is telling his supporters that he can still win, which he can't. He's suggesting that the win is being stolen by a corrupt establishment, an impression which will be validated when his phony prediction turns out not to be true. Lying like this sets you up for stuff like happened over the weekend in Nevada.

As I said, it all comes from the very top.


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salinsky May 2016 OP
firebrand80 May 2016 #1
boston bean May 2016 #2
kayakjohnny May 2016 #3
Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #5
salinsky May 2016 #7
kayakjohnny May 2016 #10
timmymoff May 2016 #11
uponit7771 May 2016 #18
Octafish May 2016 #24
Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #4
StayFrosty May 2016 #6
timmymoff May 2016 #12
sadoldgirl May 2016 #20
YouDig May 2016 #8
salinsky May 2016 #9
uponit7771 May 2016 #19
Trust Buster May 2016 #13
reformist2 May 2016 #14
farleftlib May 2016 #22
workinclasszero May 2016 #15
Armstead May 2016 #17
Zynx May 2016 #21
Armstead May 2016 #23
peace13 May 2016 #28
LexVegas May 2016 #16
Alfresco May 2016 #25
apcalc May 2016 #26
randome May 2016 #27
Progressive dog May 2016 #29
Voltaire May 2016 #30
Progressive dog May 2016 #31
joshcryer May 2016 #32
NCTraveler May 2016 #33
NurseJackie May 2016 #34
aikoaiko May 2016 #35

Response to salinsky (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 06:22 AM

1. I'm becoming less certian that he will endorse Hillary

I still think he will, but I'm not 100% sure anymore

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 06:22 AM

2. Yep. Sanders has an ego that is never satisfied.

He needs to get a grip.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 06:24 AM

3. I've never read a bigger load of crap in my life.

You should be embarrassed for posting it.

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Response to kayakjohnny (Reply #3)

Wed May 18, 2016, 06:25 AM

5. Why? Everyone is talking about it all over

 

social media...

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Response to kayakjohnny (Reply #3)

Wed May 18, 2016, 06:28 AM

7. It's becoming common knowledge ...

... you were hoodwinked by a self serving charlatan.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #7)

Wed May 18, 2016, 06:32 AM

10. Then I'm in great company.

Btw, you don't have a son or daughter old enough to be drafted. Your queen will need them for the next string of wars.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #7)

Wed May 18, 2016, 06:32 AM

11. That's an odd term for the hillary camp, but fitting.

 

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Response to kayakjohnny (Reply #3)

Wed May 18, 2016, 06:55 AM

18. What's embarrassing is privileged people throwing good money after a losing cause

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Response to kayakjohnny (Reply #3)

Wed May 18, 2016, 07:22 AM

24. +1

Seems the "national" scribes -- TPM, Mother Jones, The Atlantic -- have received marching orders.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 06:24 AM

4. He won't endorse.

 

He said today that he will do everything in his power to stop the "status quo" from continuing...

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 06:27 AM

6. A fish rots from the head down

The sooner this egomaniac drops out the better

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Response to StayFrosty (Reply #6)

Wed May 18, 2016, 06:33 AM

12. it will be soon.. after june 7..like stated countless times

 

Enjoy .

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Response to StayFrosty (Reply #6)

Wed May 18, 2016, 07:01 AM

20. I agree, if you are talking about HRC.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 06:28 AM

8. He's off the rails. I misread him the same as Josh Marshall did, I bought into the whole

Bernie isn't as bad as his supporters line. But it looks like he actually is as bad. And now more news is coming out about how the chaos in Nevada was actually orchestrated, it wasn't some spontaneous mob.

In effect, Bernie is now campaigning for Trump.

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Response to YouDig (Reply #8)

Wed May 18, 2016, 06:29 AM

9. Me too ...

... the curtain has been pulled back.

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Response to YouDig (Reply #8)

Wed May 18, 2016, 06:56 AM

19. I knew there was something wrong with Sanders after Cornell West and very few if any dem endorsement

... which doesn't sway me usually but .... not one!?

They knew and said nothing

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 06:39 AM

13. The guy promised his followers $18 trillion in new entitlements that he knew he couldn't deliver.

 

It's always been about Sanders' inflated ego. He snookered millions.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 06:42 AM

14. Setting the stage for disqualifying Bernie and his delegates from the convention...

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Response to reformist2 (Reply #14)

Wed May 18, 2016, 07:10 AM

22. Word

 

The only garbage is the entire OP. Bernie's entire career in the Senate has been one
of reaching consensus with people who are completely ideologically opposed to him
and doing it without rancor of any sort.

The smell of garbage and shit emanating from the OP is fouling the air in GD-P.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 06:46 AM

15. "What about the coalitions Barack Obama built in 2008 and 2012, the biggest and most diverse

 

presidential coalitions ever constructed?"

Sanders wants to destroy it of course.

His democratic candidacy was a con from day one. This man has always hated the democratic party. Its common knowledge. Some people wanted to believe otherwise though and now the party is paying the price for that wishful thinking.

Any actual democratic running against Hillary would have long ago folded the tent and started working for a democratic victory in the fall. Sanders will never do that. He hates the dem party as much as the republican party, maybe more.

The only "victory" he is ever gonna get out of these primaries now, is a Nader victory and he is pursuing it with gusto to the bitter end. I don't see him ever endorsing Hillary either.

90% of his backers would consider that treason and obviously Sanders is no leader, he hasn't got the backbone to stand up to the mob he created.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #15)

Wed May 18, 2016, 06:51 AM

17. Hillary stayed in until June and campaigned hard in 2008

 

Does that make her a power hungry charlatan and egomaniac too?

er, wait...nevermind

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Response to Armstead (Reply #17)

Wed May 18, 2016, 07:09 AM

21. She didn't implicitly (and borderline explicitly) threaten to burn the whole damn thing down if

she didn't get her way.

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Response to Zynx (Reply #21)

Wed May 18, 2016, 07:11 AM

23. She came close....

 

And the system does need change.

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Response to Zynx (Reply #21)

Wed May 18, 2016, 07:32 AM

28. Aaaaa...she drug the winner into the toilet and swirled around with him until she finally let go...

 

....it was an awful campaign that ended with a slow and agonizing death.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 06:47 AM

16. Of course it is. A sore loser of epic proportions, watching the spotlight fading away. nt

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 07:25 AM

25. Bernie has lost all perspective.

Sanders is telling his supporters that he can still win, which he can't. He's suggesting that the win is being stolen by a corrupt establishment, an impression which will be validated when his phony prediction turns out not to be true. Lying like this sets you up for stuff like happened over the weekend in Nevada.

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Response to Alfresco (Reply #25)

Wed May 18, 2016, 07:30 AM

26. Don't forget

The part about the super delegates of the corrupt establishment
are going to flip over to him ..

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 07:31 AM

27. When you've lost Josh Marshall, you've lost me.

 

I always thought the attempt to paint Sanders as 'damaged goods' was more a reflection to the insane insults aimed at Clinton. And that's still the case to a large extent. But I'm starting to understand now why Sanders has fewer Congressional endorsements than Ted Cruz.

His message is great but he is a poor messenger.

It takes a certain amount of ego to run for President. Or to be a stand-up comedian. Or to be a doctor. Both Clinton and Sanders have egos. But Clinton's ego still allows her to get things done. Sanders, not so much.
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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 07:51 AM

29. Bernie is like a fire and brimstone preacher

with Hillary starring as the devil and the establishment as the demons. He is a demagogue. Whether he is enough of a pragmatist to endorse Hillary remains to be seen.

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Response to Progressive dog (Reply #29)

Wed May 18, 2016, 09:25 AM

30. Always the pragmatism....

Yawn. You idiot Hillary fans had better start realizing that your house is ablaze instead of hurling insults. She's a bad candidate. She sucked in 2008 and she sucks now. For all the same reasons. But I don't expect your crowd to even try to see that.

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Response to Voltaire (Reply #30)

Wed May 18, 2016, 09:28 AM

31. You must have forgotten your matches

because you are in a small minority. Count me pleased to be called an idiot by the likes of you.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 09:33 AM

32. He's 100% wrong.

Weaver has used it throughout the campaign, Sanders is only channeling it now (well, since really the unqualified remark) because he needs the DNC to think he's going to take his ball and go home. He can't risk being weak, so he's not having to embrace the ugliness. There will be careful walkbacks but it will be calculated.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 09:37 AM

33. I still think it's Weaver.

 

Sanders has done little leading throughout his political career. He is now a follower of Weaver. Weaver pulls the strings in their operation. Thats not to say Sanders isn't the voice. He is Weavers front and yes man.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #33)

Wed May 18, 2016, 09:42 AM

34. It would appear that you're not alone in that assessment ...

... and based on Bernie's (lack of ) votes and his (lack of) endorsements, it's clear to me that most people and major media outlets do not see him as being presidential or as being a capable leader. He'd absolutely freeze for the first international crisis that came long, or he'd lose his cool (as we've seen so often) and blunder full speed ahead into making diplomatic mistake after mistake.

(Alerter: These are my personal opinions based on my personal observations.)

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 09:50 AM

35. Apparently, TPM's John Marshall was unaware of Sanders' perspective on the Democratic Party.


What a political idiot.

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