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Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:11 AM May 2016

If Hillary is such a strong candidate...

Why doesn't she put Bernie away? Even with the Democratic Party machinery clearly stacked in her favor, she can't score a knockout victory. It's time to acknowledge that she's not a very good candidate and President Trump is a scary possibility. We scoffed at the idea of President Ronald Reagan in 1980.

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If Hillary is such a strong candidate... (Original Post) Chasstev365 May 2016 OP
Knock out victory was months ago Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #1
what reality do you live in? Chasstev365 May 2016 #12
Are you serious? Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #16
That one lives under a bridge. Broward May 2016 #46
Nor has his supporters timmymoff May 2016 #2
Is that a threat? Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #8
we do not seek your permission timmymoff May 2016 #11
Too bad your guy has NO control since he lost Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author timmymoff May 2016 #17
How? Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #18
I'm sorry.. timmymoff May 2016 #23
Nope. Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #26
We are his bargaining power timmymoff May 2016 #30
He and you have already chosen that Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #34
Howwould someone with only 58 posts know what i said timmymoff May 2016 #38
I looked at your transparency page. Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #52
cool timmymoff May 2016 #53
OK. So why should I worry about unity with you? Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #54
You shouldn't timmymoff May 2016 #55
In all sincerity, saying she has cloven hooves should get you banned mythology May 2016 #37
Maybe we haven't seen it yet. chwaliszewski May 2016 #44
I self- deleted it so your sensibilities aren't hurt timmymoff May 2016 #45
Hillarians tend to be blind to truths laserhaas May 2016 #66
That's precisely your problem. Beowulf May 2016 #64
And the energy of U.S.seeing Bernie, yesterday, at Cal-State laserhaas May 2016 #67
Another dispatch LiberalElite May 2016 #20
Bernie at Cal-State ...yesterday...looked great to me laserhaas May 2016 #65
Bernie and the BSers can't grip reality long enough to realize it was over for Bernie Super Tuesday. boston bean May 2016 #3
She HAS put him away. auntpurl May 2016 #4
He has been put away StayFrosty May 2016 #5
Because we have proportional delegate allocation firebrand80 May 2016 #6
Two months ago, but I agree. auntpurl May 2016 #9
Because Bernie is weakening her not beating her. nt Jitter65 May 2016 #7
How can she be weakened by bernie, timmymoff May 2016 #22
How is it stacked in her favor? LiberalFighter May 2016 #10
It sounds like they're saying since Sanders isn't black so that's why the game is rigged or somethin uponit7771 May 2016 #19
Only way she had more votes was because she entered timmymoff May 2016 #57
I don't remember her doing that at all, but either way she was a lot closer to Obama in votes uponit7771 May 2016 #58
You don't? timmymoff May 2016 #59
She didn't minimize or foment violence in 08, she lost and worked with Obama... the rest was easy uponit7771 May 2016 #60
the people of Iraq, Syria, and Libya timmymoff May 2016 #61
seems like staying in timmymoff May 2016 #62
"Damn good job" Jude the Obscure May 2016 #63
In reality, Trump locked down his nom before now and Hillary still has not locked down hers. merrily May 2016 #13
She might not be a strong candidate but Sanders is even weaker uponit7771 May 2016 #21
I disagree, but discussing that requires nuance and thoughtful analysis, which does not merrily May 2016 #27
So why is he not winning? Cause he's not black? Is that the way the system was rigged cause... uponit7771 May 2016 #35
Did you not understand my Reply 27 or are you trying to prove how correct it is? merrily May 2016 #36
The factual part of you not agreeing that IF Clinton is weak that Sanders has to be weaker since he uponit7771 May 2016 #39
So your goal is proving Reply 27 is correct. Thanks much, but I think most posters would agree merrily May 2016 #41
In 2008 McCain locked down the republican nomination on March 3. Dems didn't finish till June. timlot May 2016 #28
Yep Hillary kept it going until June. See, I wonder what the end game of Hillary supporters is. merrily May 2016 #32
Clinton wasn't being beat by 3 million votes either uponit7771 May 2016 #40
Please see my Replies 27 and 41 to you. Thanks! merrily May 2016 #43
Weak general candidate vs who? Trump? The general is not the end game... timlot May 2016 #42
In love? What a disgusting, condescending sexist post. Go away. merrily May 2016 #47
You do realize that by having winner take all primaries mythology May 2016 #48
Hoping is your spin--and your spin is disgusting and low. Are you proud of it? If so, why? merrily May 2016 #49
About our character: it would show we believe that no one is above the law k8conant May 2016 #56
Reminds me of that girl with LiberalElite May 2016 #15
That's actually a pretty good analogy! Nye Bevan May 2016 #29
A baseball team that's 55-70 in August has not yet been mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, Nye Bevan May 2016 #24
The important issue is not longer the primaries but the general and Hillary is a huge risk for Dems merrily May 2016 #31
scoffed @ W. Shrub as well...if it's close enough... Jack Bone May 2016 #25
Very nasty...full blown ...level grounds laserhaas May 2016 #70
If Sanders was a stronger candidate he would have the larger delegate count, Thinkingabout May 2016 #33
She needs to drop out now. The longer she stays in, the more divided we are. Therefore she B Calm May 2016 #50
^^^^ this times 1000^^^^ laserhaas May 2016 #68
If Berni is such a strong candidate puffy socks May 2016 #51
Because Sanders is a strong candidate, too. Duh! randome May 2016 #69
She's a HORRIBLE candidate... Herman4747 May 2016 #71
 

Tavarious Jackson

(1,595 posts)
8. Is that a threat?
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:20 AM
May 2016

People are tired of that meme. I think it's time to boot him out. He has already alienated his supporters from us anyway. Damage is done. Boot him out, I say.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
11. we do not seek your permission
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:25 AM
May 2016

again, we are tired of the wall st / war machine meme known as the seldom right wing of the democratic party.

Response to Tavarious Jackson (Reply #14)

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
30. We are his bargaining power
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:36 AM
May 2016

we are his campaign finance. we are his mobilization efforts. enjoy November without us, if that's the path you choose.

 

Tavarious Jackson

(1,595 posts)
34. He and you have already chosen that
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:39 AM
May 2016

said it 100 times. So what should we do? Give up the nomination of Hillary? No. Get on board with his agenda? We mostly already are. I don't know what he wants. Whatever it is, his chance has passed. IMO

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
53. cool
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:07 AM
May 2016

you will see I have no use for nonsense. You will see I do not sugar coat shit regardless of the result. I'm just not into her. "it's you, not me , Hillary"

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
55. You shouldn't
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:11 AM
May 2016

DWS has already said she wasn't. And Hillary sought the money of Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, and Ted Cruz donors, but never fear, it's really an act and she will fight for us. In the mean time can I show you a bridge I've been trying to sell for some time? Be consistent , like those you support, seek a farther right policy to correct our mistakes. It should do wonders for bringing people to the tent.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
37. In all sincerity, saying she has cloven hooves should get you banned
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:43 AM
May 2016

I'll have to remember this ugly post the next time I hear some Sanders supporter whining about how Clinton supporters (and by that I mean anybody who doesn't fawn over Sanders) are.

You just implied that she's either an animal or the devil. Either should be unacceptable. And yet not one Sanders supporter has called you out on this bullshit.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
45. I self- deleted it so your sensibilities aren't hurt
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:49 AM
May 2016

she is a great candidate. I especially love the fracking part, but a close second is the awesome job she showed us with her regime change policies. Not knowing how to stand on keystone until President Obama acted showed us true leadership. and nobody, and I mean nbody can flip flop with the effectiveness of Her Corporate Majesty. She has learned a lot from the sniper fire she took to the trade policies she once spoke highly of, like NAFTA and TPP. We should all be proud of our very consistent Goldwater Girl. Have a good day.

Beowulf

(761 posts)
64. That's precisely your problem.
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:43 AM
May 2016

If he has truly lost, he doesn't need you, but you need him. Keep treating him and his followers like shit. You are so accustomed to being able to ignore the progressive wing of the party without consequence that you are clueless in how to engage an energized left constructively. So you follow your instincts and attempt to crush the very people you need in the GE. It's not lost on us that you can be chummy with Kissinger and W and have no qualms triangulating with the GOP, but your only response to an energized left is the jack boot.

The movement will live on past this election. You have a moment of truth. Welcome us or continue to abuse us.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
67. And the energy of U.S.seeing Bernie, yesterday, at Cal-State
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:54 AM
May 2016

was wonderful.

Bernie's energy ..was awesome

Especially when he learned of the Oregon win.






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laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
65. Bernie at Cal-State ...yesterday...looked great to me
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:48 AM
May 2016

Especially when he announced winning Oregon

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
4. She HAS put him away.
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:17 AM
May 2016

She's winning by more than Obama EVER was. She has more delegates AND more popular votes (which Obama didn't have) and she's got the support of the entire Democratic congress and will have President Obama by her side stumping.

With proportional allocation NO ONE can score a knockout victory. The Repubs have winner take all in a bunch of their states. That makes it a lot easier to declare a winner earlier.

Hillary is in an extremely strong position going into the convention and the GE. The primary is finished. The last shot Bernie had for a blowout was Oregon. Nevada was very bad for him. This is over.

StayFrosty

(237 posts)
5. He has been put away
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:18 AM
May 2016

Sanders and his supporters are living in another reality

Sanders has no path towards a nomination that doesn't include outright stealing the nomination from Hillary

Fucking ironic

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
6. Because we have proportional delegate allocation
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:18 AM
May 2016

The same system that makes it difficult for Bernie to catch up also allows him to pretend it's still close.

If it were winner take all, this would have been officially over a month ago

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
22. How can she be weakened by bernie,
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:30 AM
May 2016

she's been vetted, she is tough, it's her turn. he isn't weakening her, she is weakening her, as we warned you countless times.

LiberalFighter

(52,634 posts)
10. How is it stacked in her favor?
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:24 AM
May 2016

The rules aren't the same as they are for the Republican Party. If they were Clinton would had wrapped up the nomination with Pennsylvania's votes and with Kentucky she would had received the majority without automatic delegates included.

uponit7771

(90,578 posts)
19. It sounds like they're saying since Sanders isn't black so that's why the game is rigged or somethin
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:29 AM
May 2016

... cause Hillary had all the advantages in 08 and got beat.

I think she might have had even more votes...

Sanders sounds silly

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
57. Only way she had more votes was because she entered
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:17 AM
May 2016

Michigan and tried to have them counted knowing they were being penalized. You remember that c'mon man. revisionist history is cute but not as cute as putting words in other people's mouths.

uponit7771

(90,578 posts)
58. I don't remember her doing that at all, but either way she was a lot closer to Obama in votes
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:20 AM
May 2016

.... than Sanders is now.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
59. You don't?
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:22 AM
May 2016

I bet you don't remember her bringing jeremiah wright into the mix either. Or how she tried to corner Obama on gun issues, he had to call her Annie Oakley. There is a ton of forgetfulness in Camp Weathervane it seems.

uponit7771

(90,578 posts)
60. She didn't minimize or foment violence in 08, she lost and worked with Obama... the rest was easy
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:27 AM
May 2016

... to forget or not pay attention to seeing she because his SoS and did a damn good job

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
61. the people of Iraq, Syria, and Libya
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:29 AM
May 2016

would disagree. Can you provide a link where Senator Sanders called for violence? If not basically everything you said was bullshit.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
62. seems like staying in
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:30 AM
May 2016

because bobby kennedy was assassinated in june was some sort of acknowledgement of violence. Maybe that is why Sanders is staying in? What's good for the goose isn't good for the gander?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
13. In reality, Trump locked down his nom before now and Hillary still has not locked down hers.
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:26 AM
May 2016

That does not bode well for the general. She is not a strong candidate. He is already polling within 3 points of her nationally too. That does not bode well for the general, either.

And if anyone thinks Trump's disrespect of women is going to neutralize Bill's, plus the "Lolita Express" allegations, he or she is dreaming. And heaven knows what else Trump will allege and/or dig up. Despite all the nonsense about vetting, she really has not had an election glove laid on her yet, or we would have known about some of this stuff years ago.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
27. I disagree, but discussing that requires nuance and thoughtful analysis, which does not
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:34 AM
May 2016

exist at DU anymore. So, we'll agree to disagree.

uponit7771

(90,578 posts)
35. So why is he not winning? Cause he's not black? Is that the way the system was rigged cause...
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:39 AM
May 2016

... she had every advantage in 08 too and a majority of SDs too.

Also, if the system was rigged and its the same system from 08 where was Sanders voice fighting for her telling everyone the system was rigged then?

uponit7771

(90,578 posts)
39. The factual part of you not agreeing that IF Clinton is weak that Sanders has to be weaker since he
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:44 AM
May 2016

... is losing

merrily

(45,251 posts)
41. So your goal is proving Reply 27 is correct. Thanks much, but I think most posters would agree
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:46 AM
May 2016

with it anyway. It didn't need all this confirmation. I appreciate the effort, though.

 

timlot

(456 posts)
28. In 2008 McCain locked down the republican nomination on March 3. Dems didn't finish till June.
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:34 AM
May 2016

I just wonder what Sanders supporters end game is. Do they care about the message or the messenger? Their issue are more likely to be a achieved with a Pres. Clinton vs a Pres. Trump so what is this really about?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
32. Yep Hillary kept it going until June. See, I wonder what the end game of Hillary supporters is.
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:39 AM
May 2016

And by end game, I don't mean Philadelphia. The general is the end game. I think she would make a weak and very flawed general candidate. Always have.

 

timlot

(456 posts)
42. Weak general candidate vs who? Trump? The general is not the end game...
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:47 AM
May 2016

I thought the issues that Bernie was talking for the American people was the most important thing. If a $15 min wage, Public college tuition, Medicaid for all, etc. were really important to his supporter then they would recognize it would be more likely to be achieved with a Sanders or Clinton presidency. Yet they seem to be more in love with Bernie the man more than the issues that would directly effect their lives.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
48. You do realize that by having winner take all primaries
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:50 AM
May 2016

the Republican process is designed to be finished sooner right? We have proportional primaries meaning a candidate like Sanders can stay in the race as it appears to be "close" even though there isn't a viable path to the nomination.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/primaries/explaining-the-presidential-primary-process/

But feel free to continue to cling desperately to the belief that some scandal is going to stop Clinton, even ones that involve hoping a former Democratic president has committed statutory rape of minors. It shows a lot about your character.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
49. Hoping is your spin--and your spin is disgusting and low. Are you proud of it? If so, why?
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:53 AM
May 2016


FYI, that's a rhetorical question. I don't want an effing answer from someone who posted that horrible bullshit about me.

k8conant

(3,030 posts)
56. About our character: it would show we believe that no one is above the law
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:13 AM
May 2016

which is a good thing to believe (even though it's often not true)

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
24. A baseball team that's 55-70 in August has not yet been mathematically eliminated from the playoffs,
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:33 AM
May 2016

because they just might go 35-2 in their remaining games and finish with a 90-72 record.

But everybody knows that's not going to happen.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
31. The important issue is not longer the primaries but the general and Hillary is a huge risk for Dems
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:36 AM
May 2016

in the general. Everyone who has been so obsessed with making sure Sanders loses, no matter what has to be done to cause that, that they've lost sight of reality.

Jack Bone

(2,023 posts)
25. scoffed @ W. Shrub as well...if it's close enough...
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:33 AM
May 2016

then the repugs will steal it. we know that's true. If she can't knock Bernie out, with all of her "built in" advantages...what on Earth makes anyone think she can knock Trump out on level grounds ?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
33. If Sanders was a stronger candidate he would have the larger delegate count,
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:39 AM
May 2016

He doesn't. He does not have the vote count either. We the people has spoken.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
50. She needs to drop out now. The longer she stays in, the more divided we are. Therefore she
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:54 AM
May 2016

is the weaker candidate. She is a party divider, not a uniter!

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
51. If Berni is such a strong candidate
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:01 AM
May 2016

How come his popular vote is less than hers, how come the superdelegates aren't switching quickly over to Berni camp?


She beat him months ago
It isnt HCs problem Berni's ego and his supporters egos are so huge and they refuse to just graciously concedede like adults.

So we continue on with Bernies romper room until the convention

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
69. Because Sanders is a strong candidate, too. Duh!
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:02 AM
May 2016

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