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Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
Wed May 18, 2016, 12:47 AM May 2016

Why Hillary?

Why Hillary?

From what I can see, there are three main reasons why people support Hillary Clinton for president. And here they are.

1. "Madam President." Some people support Hillary because she is a woman, and they feel that it's long past time that we have a woman as president. I understand that. But that's not good enough. Because by that logic, Sarah Palin would also be a good candidate for president.

2. "Experience." Some people support Hillary because she was a senator, and then she was a Secretary of State. But that's not good enough. Because by that logic, Bush the Elder would also be a good candidate. Bush the Elder has much more government experience than does Hillary.

3. "Clinton." Bill Clinton was a arguably a very good president. Therefore, Hillary would also be a good president. Same last names. But that's not good enough. Such logic would be acceptable in a monarchy, but not in a republic.

Some people support Hillary because she is - uniquely - a combination of all three of the above. I understand that. But to my mind, none of those reasons are valid reasons to support Hillary. 0 + 0 + 0 = 0.

And that's why I don't support Hillary. I support Bernie. He has the ideas - and the vision - that appeals to me. Bernie Sanders 2016.

Why Hillary? (Original Post) Shemp Howard May 2016 OP
Don't forget #4 chwaliszewski May 2016 #1
Please permit me to make a small change to your post. Shemp Howard May 2016 #4
#5 GATZ Baobab May 2016 #9
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #2
Exactly, I have not seen any reasons except those flimsy ones you nicely debunked One Black Sheep May 2016 #3
Cause her campaign doesn't foment a thugish fans? tia uponit7771 May 2016 #5
You say thugish (Bernie) fans, I say outraged Bernie supporters. Shemp Howard May 2016 #7
Indeed seekthetruth May 2016 #10
Thugish fans like the one who got arrested for assault of two Bernie supporters? jillan May 2016 #13
Nah, the ones who are threating the kids of the woman who's contact info was posted here on DU uponit7771 May 2016 #15
Threatening is worse than assault? Okay, got it. jillan May 2016 #16
She's the only serious candidate running ContinentalOp May 2016 #6
I hear you. Shemp Howard May 2016 #8
Age-ism, red baiting and irrational hatred of Vermont all in one post phleshdef May 2016 #20
This post adds up to 0... TCJ70 May 2016 #21
... sheshe2 May 2016 #11
Hillary=Sarah Palin, oh no. Shemp Howard May 2016 #14
'Cuz she has more "experience" collaborating with Republicans. See IWR vote for example. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #12
It's her turn! jillan May 2016 #17
Regardless of your opinion Demsrule86 May 2016 #18
"Democrats" alone don't win elections. Keep that in mind pinebox May 2016 #22
We will have to do the best we can Demsrule86 May 2016 #25
I'm an indy XD pinebox May 2016 #27
Don't forget to add fear and bullying. PufPuf23 May 2016 #19
All you need to know is she got more votes. YouDig May 2016 #23
This is such a poignant thread. auntpurl May 2016 #24
Bernie has no real ideas. And his vision is not that good. Gomez163 May 2016 #26
Bernie has no real ideas? pinebox May 2016 #29
And while you all are doing this, the actual workers of the liberal cause are Actor May 2016 #28
I have literally no idea TheFarseer May 2016 #30

chwaliszewski

(1,512 posts)
1. Don't forget #4
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:00 AM
May 2016

4. "Policy Agreement". Some people support Hillary because they agree with bombing other countries, taking money from Wall St., promoting fracking around the globe, and helping to overturn other countries' governments.

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
4. Please permit me to make a small change to your post.
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:11 AM
May 2016

Last edited Wed May 18, 2016, 01:51 AM - Edit history (1)

4. "Policy Agreement". Some people support Hillary because they IGNORE the bombing of other countries, taking money from Wall St., promoting fracking around the globe, and helping to overturn other countries' governments.

Otherwise, good post chwaliszewski. Thanks for pointing out something that I missed.

Response to Shemp Howard (Original post)

One Black Sheep

(458 posts)
3. Exactly, I have not seen any reasons except those flimsy ones you nicely debunked
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:07 AM
May 2016

to vote for Hillary on any social media. One other is it is her turn, but that is not a good reason! Just because Hillary is old and has been in the elite of the Democratic party for decades does not mean she is entitled to a nomination.

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
7. You say thugish (Bernie) fans, I say outraged Bernie supporters.
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:20 AM
May 2016

Was it democracy in action, or the oligarchy imposing its will? I suppose historians will eventually sort it all out, after looking at all the videos and interviewing all the participants.

 

seekthetruth

(504 posts)
10. Indeed
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:37 AM
May 2016

I'm entirely civil. Can't stand people who get all pissy when someone doesn't agree with them.

So, if any supporters of Sanders get violent they're jackasses.

But the extreme overwhelming majority are peace loving and want equality in all its forms. We want a just society, and we want to get some help here at home.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
13. Thugish fans like the one who got arrested for assault of two Bernie supporters?
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:57 AM
May 2016

The only arrest for violence on the Dem side has been a Hillary fan.

http://gawker.com/eyewitness-says-the-wires-wendell-pierce-charged-into-h-1777076559

So save your thugish fans reference for your own candidate.

ContinentalOp

(5,356 posts)
6. She's the only serious candidate running
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:18 AM
May 2016

who has any chance at all of winning a general election. She has the money, the name, and the connections. Of course those all come with plenty of baggage and downsides but none nearly so bad as an unknown 74 year old socialist from Vermont!

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
8. I hear you.
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:27 AM
May 2016

Suppose you have the choice of two bets. One is even money. Low risk, low reward. That's Hillary. The other is a long shot. Great risk, but great reward also. That's Bernie. In normal times, I'd consider placing the safe bet. But these are not normal times.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
21. This post adds up to 0...
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:33 AM
May 2016

Money = 0
Name = 0
Connections = 0

These are not good reasons to vote for anyone. Trump has all three of those as well! This is why Bernie polls so much better nationally...he doesn't have those things.

sheshe2

(81,533 posts)
11. ...
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:40 AM
May 2016
1. "Madam President." Some people support Hillary because she is a woman, and they feel that it's long past time that we have a woman as president. I understand that. But that's not good enough. Because by that logic, Sarah Palin would also be a good candidate for president.


Hillary=Sarah Palin.

nt

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
14. Hillary=Sarah Palin, oh no.
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:57 AM
May 2016

But some people on each end of the political spectrum make the same type of argument. Vote for Hillary because it's time for a strong woman in the White House. Vote for Palin because it's time for a strong woman in the White House.

I'm unimpressed by that argument, regardless of who makes it. I need something more.

Demsrule86

(67,494 posts)
18. Regardless of your opinion
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:48 AM
May 2016

Millions more Democrats voted for Clinton than Bernie. He has lost and the sooner he and his supporters accept this, the better.

PufPuf23

(8,302 posts)
19. Don't forget to add fear and bullying.
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:53 AM
May 2016

Fear of Trump by the voters.

Fear of political career suicide because of lack of party support by other Democratic politicians.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
24. This is such a poignant thread.
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:18 AM
May 2016

After all the email nonsense, after bringing Bill's affairs back from the dead, after all the ridiculous RW smears that have been leveled at her, Democrats keep going to the polls and quietly voting for Hillary Clinton. And then, the plaintive cry, "Why Hillary?"

People prefer a different candidate to yours. I know it's hard. There are more of us than there are of you. That is also hard. I remember when GWB got re-elected in 04 I was looking around thinking "There's more of them than there are of us." Horrible feeling.

I would say give her a chance. She's extremely bright and capable. I think she will surprise you.

Actor

(626 posts)
28. And while you all are doing this, the actual workers of the liberal cause are
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:51 AM
May 2016

wondering why the GOP has not said a word yet about Bernie Sanders, in a negative way.

Nothing.

Only two reasons, they believe he has zero chance of beating Hillary and it would be a waste OR they have a war chest of shit to go after him with that they dont want to reveal yet.

Now, none of what they would say is important, relevant, and most wont even be true, but the brain dead assholes that vote in this country dont know that.

As someone who wants Bernie to be the nominee and win, what the party should be doing now is preparing for that possibility.

But instead all anyone can do is threaten not to vote at all if he isnt the nominee.

TheFarseer

(9,277 posts)
30. I have literally no idea
Wed May 18, 2016, 12:24 PM
May 2016

How people who consider themselves progressives can support HRC. It's purely emotional arguments like she's a woman or Bill made the repubs look bad with impeachment back in the day. Unless of course we are talking about connected party officials. Then I totally get supporting Madame Pay for Play.

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