Why Hillary?

[Shemp Howard]

Why Hillary?

From what I can see, there are three main reasons why people support Hillary Clinton for president. And here they are.

1. "Madam President." Some people support Hillary because she is a woman, and they feel that it's long past time that we have a woman as president. I understand that. But that's not good enough. Because by that logic, Sarah Palin would also be a good candidate for president.

2. "Experience." Some people support Hillary because she was a senator, and then she was a Secretary of State. But that's not good enough. Because by that logic, Bush the Elder would also be a good candidate. Bush the Elder has much more government experience than does Hillary.

3. "Clinton." Bill Clinton was a arguably a very good president. Therefore, Hillary would also be a good president. Same last names. But that's not good enough. Such logic would be acceptable in a monarchy, but not in a republic.

Some people support Hillary because she is - uniquely - a combination of all three of the above. I understand that. But to my mind, none of those reasons are valid reasons to support Hillary. 0 + 0 + 0 = 0.

And that's why I don't support Hillary. I support Bernie. He has the ideas - and the vision - that appeals to me. Bernie Sanders 2016.

[chwaliszewski]

1. Don't forget #4

4. "Policy Agreement". Some people support Hillary because they agree with bombing other countries, taking money from Wall St., promoting fracking around the globe, and helping to overturn other countries' governments.

[Shemp Howard]

4. Please permit me to make a small change to your post.

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4. "Policy Agreement". Some people support Hillary because they IGNORE the bombing of other countries, taking money from Wall St., promoting fracking around the globe, and helping to overturn other countries' governments.

Otherwise, good post chwaliszewski. Thanks for pointing out something that I missed.

[Baobab]

9. #5 GATZ

"Don't Stop the Mayhem"

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.405.5725

[One Black Sheep]

3. Exactly, I have not seen any reasons except those flimsy ones you nicely debunked

to vote for Hillary on any social media. One other is it is her turn, but that is not a good reason! Just because Hillary is old and has been in the elite of the Democratic party for decades does not mean she is entitled to a nomination.

[uponit7771]

5. Cause her campaign doesn't foment a thugish fans? tia

[Shemp Howard]

7. You say thugish (Bernie) fans, I say outraged Bernie supporters.

Was it democracy in action, or the oligarchy imposing its will? I suppose historians will eventually sort it all out, after looking at all the videos and interviewing all the participants.

[seekthetruth]

10. Indeed

I'm entirely civil. Can't stand people who get all pissy when someone doesn't agree with them.

So, if any supporters of Sanders get violent they're jackasses.

But the extreme overwhelming majority are peace loving and want equality in all its forms. We want a just society, and we want to get some help here at home.

[jillan]

13. Thugish fans like the one who got arrested for assault of two Bernie supporters?

The only arrest for violence on the Dem side has been a Hillary fan.

http://gawker.com/eyewitness-says-the-wires-wendell-pierce-charged-into-h-1777076559

So save your thugish fans reference for your own candidate.

[uponit7771]

15. Nah, the ones who are threating the kids of the woman who's contact info was posted here on DU

[jillan]

16. Threatening is worse than assault? Okay, got it.

[ContinentalOp]

6. She's the only serious candidate running

who has any chance at all of winning a general election. She has the money, the name, and the connections. Of course those all come with plenty of baggage and downsides but none nearly so bad as an unknown 74 year old socialist from Vermont!

[Shemp Howard]

8. I hear you.

Suppose you have the choice of two bets. One is even money. Low risk, low reward. That's Hillary. The other is a long shot. Great risk, but great reward also. That's Bernie. In normal times, I'd consider placing the safe bet. But these are not normal times.

[phleshdef]

20. Age-ism, red baiting and irrational hatred of Vermont all in one post

You do not belong here.

[TCJ70]

21. This post adds up to 0...

Money = 0
Name = 0
Connections = 0

These are not good reasons to vote for anyone. Trump has all three of those as well! This is why Bernie polls so much better nationally...he doesn't have those things.

[sheshe2]

11. ...

1. "Madam President." Some people support Hillary because she is a woman, and they feel that it's long past time that we have a woman as president. I understand that. But that's not good enough. Because by that logic, Sarah Palin would also be a good candidate for president.

Hillary=Sarah Palin.

nt

[Shemp Howard]

14. Hillary=Sarah Palin, oh no.

But some people on each end of the political spectrum make the same type of argument. Vote for Hillary because it's time for a strong woman in the White House. Vote for Palin because it's time for a strong woman in the White House.

I'm unimpressed by that argument, regardless of who makes it. I need something more.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. 'Cuz she has more "experience" collaborating with Republicans. See IWR vote for example.

[jillan]

17. It's her turn!

[Demsrule86]

18. Regardless of your opinion

Millions more Democrats voted for Clinton than Bernie. He has lost and the sooner he and his supporters accept this, the better.

[pinebox]

22. "Democrats" alone don't win elections. Keep that in mind

[Demsrule86]

25. We will have to do the best we can

I suppose.

[pinebox]

27. I'm an indy XD

[PufPuf23]

19. Don't forget to add fear and bullying.

Fear of Trump by the voters.

Fear of political career suicide because of lack of party support by other Democratic politicians.

[YouDig]

23. All you need to know is she got more votes.

[auntpurl]

24. This is such a poignant thread.

After all the email nonsense, after bringing Bill's affairs back from the dead, after all the ridiculous RW smears that have been leveled at her, Democrats keep going to the polls and quietly voting for Hillary Clinton. And then, the plaintive cry, "Why Hillary?"

People prefer a different candidate to yours. I know it's hard. There are more of us than there are of you. That is also hard. I remember when GWB got re-elected in 04 I was looking around thinking "There's more of them than there are of us." Horrible feeling.

I would say give her a chance. She's extremely bright and capable. I think she will surprise you.

[Gomez163]

26. Bernie has no real ideas. And his vision is not that good.

[pinebox]

29. Bernie has no real ideas?

Huh?

[Actor]

28. And while you all are doing this, the actual workers of the liberal cause are

wondering why the GOP has not said a word yet about Bernie Sanders, in a negative way.

Nothing.

Only two reasons, they believe he has zero chance of beating Hillary and it would be a waste OR they have a war chest of shit to go after him with that they dont want to reveal yet.

Now, none of what they would say is important, relevant, and most wont even be true, but the brain dead assholes that vote in this country dont know that.

As someone who wants Bernie to be the nominee and win, what the party should be doing now is preparing for that possibility.

But instead all anyone can do is threaten not to vote at all if he isnt the nominee.

[TheFarseer]

30. I have literally no idea

How people who consider themselves progressives can support HRC. It's purely emotional arguments like she's a woman or Bill made the repubs look bad with impeachment back in the day. Unless of course we are talking about connected party officials. Then I totally get supporting Madame Pay for Play.