Hillary Clinton Attacks Trump for Not Releasing His Tax Returns... Irony is Lost on Her

[Gregorian]

She hammers Trump on his tax return, and he'll hammer her on her paid speeches. This isn't a good scenario in the general election.

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[Jackie Wilson Said]

1. Drumpf is supported on DU while Hillary is trashed and attacked. Lost on some

[JaneyVee]

3. They used a climate change denier to trash her in another op.

[riversedge]

25. That is sick.

[sheshe2]

28. New world order I guess.

[silvershadow]

35. Links to the supposed threads supporting Drumpf? nt

[Duckhunter935]

58. Notice the silence

[silvershadow]

114. Noted. nt

[Phlem]

102. Fucking Crickets. AGAIN!

Every damn time you ask for it,....... nothing.

What do they call it? Oh yea, Making shit up.

[silvershadow]

115. noted. nt

[JaneyVee]

2. Tax returns are precedent, not transcripts.

[JackRiddler]

8. $120 million in direct legal bribes from corporations...

is pretty unprecedented!

[Jitter65]

9. Proof, please. nt

[JackRiddler]

12. Sorry, it was $153 million

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My bad.

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In total, the two gave 729 speeches from February 2001 until May, receiving an average payday of $210,795 for each address

The two also reported at least $7.7 million for at least 39 speeches to big banks, including Goldman Sachs and UBS

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-paid-speeches/

Legal. Bribes. Services rendered and expected.

[riversedge]

26. LOL. Your deperation is showing.

[JackRiddler]

41. My life does not depend on it, perhaps unlike yours.

[Phlem]

104. He gave you the fucking link unlike above thread when we ask proof

all we get are huge fucking crickets.

I'm sorry, who's desperate again?

[mcar]

14. One of these things is not like the other

[Dem2]

44. Stop making sense

[NewImproved Deal]

4. Ain't Irony Ironic?

May Bernie take both of these Oligarchs down...

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[Metric System]

5. I think you're the one who's lost.

[Ohioblue22]

6. Asking a potus potential for taxes is normal, asking hillary for something not required of the other

Noms is sexist. This same post pops up ever couple of days it wasn't clever then either

[silvershadow]

36. You mean the "speech" (wink, wink) transcripts? nt

[BernieforPres2016]

64. You can't repeat that lie with a straight face

It hasn't been required of any other candidate because no other candidate gave paid speeches to Wall Street and other corporations at $225,000 a pop. What does she have to hide? Trump supporters don't care if he releases his tax returns. Hillary supporters don't care if she releases her speech transcripts. Both are cults of personality, which is particularly hard to understand given those two odious personalities.

[Ohioblue22]

93. You have no right to the transcript

[Phlem]

105. So there IS something to hide.

Thanks for the confirmation.

[Ohioblue22]

110. Well then go and arrest her

[Phlem]

118. oooh I'll get right on that!

[yeoman6987]

86. You think the reason is due to her being a woman nominee?

I doubt that comes into play with the speeches. American people just want to ensure she's not buddies with Wall Street.

[Ohioblue22]

92. Asking Obama for his birth certificate wasn't racist was it?

[yeoman6987]

94. What does that have to do with Hillary showing highly paid speeches?

[Ohioblue22]

99. Both are being asked to provide information not normally asked of potus noms

[yeoman6987]

100. That's true.

[procon]

7. Everyone should be asking Bernie to produce his tax returns.

He gets a pass and Hillary gets criticized... Strange how that works.

[merrily]

62. He released them. Also, this thread is about Trump and Hillary. Catch up and stay on topic.nt

[CrowCityDem]

69. One year, not even close to Hillary's transparency. And not the year Jane got a golden parachute.

[merrily]

71. Hillary's TRANSPARENCY! LOL! Good one! But do stop trying to deflect.

[CrowCityDem]

72. Hillary has released more tax information than any candidate in history.

Bernie is the one who isn't following precedent. I don't know if he's hiding anything, but for someone who wants to open every aspect of the process, and who has been whining for months about speeches given by a private citizen, he should step up to the plat and do the bare minimum before calling anyone else out.

Bernie, on this issue, is a hypocrite on the level with Trump.

[merrily]

73. Sorry, the use of the word "transparency" in connection with anything Hillary is too hilarious.

No sale.

And, again, Bernie has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. Desperation to avoid the actual topic of the thread is not a good look.

[CrowCityDem]

75. There is no irony, since Hillary has been the most transparent of everyone running right now.

[merrily]

77. LOL! Loads of irony. Private server, wiped. And read the OP again.

[CrowCityDem]

78. The only irony is Bernie fans call for unprecedented transparancy, and don't care he won't comply.

[merrily]

79. "Unprecedented," is meaningless in this context. Every campaign is different.

[CrowCityDem]

80. Oh, Bernie is different. Is that why he doesn't have to do what is expected of everyone else?

[merrily]

81. More and more desperation is showing. The thread is about Trump and Hillary.

I've had enough of the desperate deflection attempts. Besides, your replies are getting less mature as they go along, sure sign of nothing meaningful to say, just posting for the sake of posting. Have a great day.

[CrowCityDem]

82. The meaningful bit was at the start: Hillary has been more transparent than anyone.

[CrowCityDem]

10. Hillary has been more transparent than any candidate, including Bernie.

[SwampG8r]

47. Kind of true a lot of us see right through her

[beachbumbob]

11. Not the same but thanks always....

[youceyec]

13. No irony at all

Only sexism and double standard by people like you. I wonder how many of you are phony Democrats? Ud rather have the orange monster have a shot than vote for hrc?

[msongs]

15. only the extremeist fringes care about her transcripts nt

[silvershadow]

37. Wrong. nt

[NCTraveler]

16. The country doesn't give a shit about her speeches.

For one reason or another we all want to see Trumps returns.

[JackRiddler]

17. You ("we") and "the country" don't get to be synonyms.

"The country" you're thinking of is the one depicted by the corporate media whose owners mostly back Clinton but also love Trump as a ratings machine. They perhaps don't give a shit about her speeches... and actually they will, soon as these are leaked on Trump's behalf in the general campaign!

But think more deeply on what kind of person you have committed yourself to. Someone whose words don't count for "shit," as you say.

[NCTraveler]

18. I'm solid with who I am as a person.

And I'm really getting use to those comments completely based in entitlement from Sanders supporters.

Outside of that and the media being for Clinton, I agree with the rest of what you said. The media supporting Democrats and Clinton is an absolute bullshit talking point. Has been for a really long time.

[JackRiddler]

21. That was not personal, sir/madam.

How could I even care who you are as a person? Do I know you?

You, an Internet persona, presented a small-minded opinion as though it was that of "the country" or "we."

All I said in reply is that you alone don't get to define either.

If that's "entitlement" on my part - meaning that I have a low tolerance for bullshit on the Internet - too bad. In using that word, all you've done is to parrot the latest attack points dispensed from the highly entitled campaign to which you have tied yourself.

Still, it's interesting that you seem to believe the words of Hillary (and Bill) Clinton are meaningless and of no consequence. And yet support them. Curious.

And finally:

"The media" make drama out of Clinton and Trump alike. For the ratings. They will eat up either one or both in the next six months, responding to stimuli as they come.

But the media owners, as I said? Why they are among those entities who have provided many tens of millions in legal bribes ("speech fees," "campaign finance," super PAC funds, etc.) to said Clintons, and barely any so far to Trump.

[NCTraveler]

23. Entitlement mentality.

You made another strong showing.

Add projection to the list.

"You seem to believe the words of Hillary Clinton are meaningless and of no consequence."

I never said such a thing.

"They will eat up either one or both in the next six months."

it was just brilliantly explained to me that they are in Clintons camp.

I suggest you stop talking down to people.

[JackRiddler]

42. Entitlement mentality.

See how easy that is? Win win win!

[Sejon]

27. We do give a shit actually....

[NCTraveler]

38. Not really.

Doesn't make much of a splash on the news. Haven't had it brought up by anyone in my life. A small vocal online group, most of whom we clearly know what they are against, still not sure what they are for.

[seabeyond]

32. Only those looking for a gotcha, because she kicked their candidates ass in the primary. Nt

[pmorlan1]

52. LOL

You and Reince Preibus sound alike

Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee, urged unity behind Donald J. Trump in a series of interviews on Sunday television shows and said that “people just don’t care” about recent negative reports about his tax returns and his treatment of women.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/16/us/politics/reince-priebus-donald-trump.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

[NCTraveler]

57. Seems you missed something.

Desperation does that to people.

Think things through if you are going to go around calling people republicans.

[Duckhunter935]

59. I give a shit

She needs to release them. One of the reasons, she does not earn my vote.

[NCTraveler]

63. She doesn't need to release them as you claim.

Please don't get me wrong, I think she should. I'm not sure why most people don't give a shit but they don't. I think many people are like me and have read so much about Clinton and know no candidate in history has been vetted as she has so we are ok with them not being released. I would still like to see them.

I do find it comical that those yelling the loudest for them to be released are all the same people who don't say a thing about Sanders tax returns. Sanders has not been transparent in that area while Clinton has. You see, I feel the same about Clintons transcripts as you do about Sanders taxes. Most of the country does.

[Duckhunter935]

66. No she does not

She also does not need my vote then.

I think Bernie should release his taxes. He has for one year but should do more. At least he does do yearly financial disclosure forms and has done so for decades. Those are publicly available.

[TheSarcastinator]

68. who do you think you're speaking for?

Your arrogance and entitlement is astonishing.

This is another reason the study of the classics is so important: no one understands hubris anymore.

[merrily]

74. Well, her supporters don't seem to give much of a shit about anything Clinton, but

tbat doesn't mean the country doesn't give a shit.

[BootinUp]

19. You will shocked at the yawns from America over paid speeches. nt

[seabeyond]

20. Apples and oranges, but Trump can thank Sanders for his comeback.

[Doctor Jack]

22. I heard she passed around a bag with a dollar sign on in

And then they had a live auction for her influence. Finally, they sacrificed an improvised family to the ghost of John Rockefeller.

[BootinUp]

24. .

[rbrnmw]

29. ....

[pampango]

30. We all attack Trump and any other candidate who does not release tax returns.

Releasing speech transcripts is important but is not a standard that every candidate has been held to, as is the case with tax returns.

[Walk away]

31. I know! She should be asking Jane!!! Bernie can't even come up with an entire year's worth!

I agree, the Dems should be attacking Bernie & Jane before they go after Donald!

[Chicago1980]

33. Since when were paid speeches normally released?

Tax returns are usually released by politicians, pretty much since 1976.

Paid speeches, not so much.

The transcripts are a fascination and obsession by Bernie followers.

There's noting ironic about this.

Funny that the tea party of the far left wound equate the two as one being like the other.....

[silvershadow]

39. When the general public feels they are paramount

to their decision making, I would certainly call it "advisable". That she hasn't is telling.

[Chicago1980]

43. The general public doesn't think they're paramount.

Some high strung Sanders supporters think it's Paramount, but that's certainly not a good enough reason.

That she hasn't is telling that she doesn't have to.

[onecaliberal]

84. When 67% think she's a liar, yeah I'd say it is.

[Chicago1980]

89. Sounds like you and the rest are buying into the reich-wing hyperbole.

That's pretty pathetic.

I wonder how many of those 67% were conservatives with Benghazi on the brain.

Heck of a crowd you align yourself with.

[onecaliberal]

91. Nice, smear merchant. When she repeats something already debunked months ago in a state this weekend

what do you expect. When she says other people used email like she did, which they didn't. They had personal email but they also had a government account, and they didn't have the server in their bathroom, they also didn't open up the entire department of state for hacking by foreign governments. When she says she is transparent, but refuses to show the American people what she promised the big banks in return for their huge payday, what do you expect. I could go on, but something tells me it doesn't matter what she does. No one has any idea what she really stands for because she will flip on a dime depending on who she's talking to.

People think Hillary is a liar because she gets caught telling lies on a daily basis. Your smear does nothing but roll off my back. It's no wonder this country is in a shamble. When you people elect trump, don't come crying to me.

[Chicago1980]

95. She didn't have a server in her bathroom, she had one in her home, and so what...

[youtube]

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There's been no evidence that her server was ever hacked, the State Department Server is a different story.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-cybersecurity-statedept-idUSKCN0J11BR20141117


What make you think she promised any bank anything. More hack rhetoric from someone with no proof. So what if she gave speeches as a private citizen. That's allowed.

I'm sure you could go on, most know-nothings can.

People like yourself are quite gullible to the hype and rhetoric, similar to a tea partier.

[onecaliberal]

96. YES, there is evidence. I'm not the one backing a republican, but you keep telling yourself that

after you elect trump. You people are his best argument. Take your head out of the sand.

[Chicago1980]

97. No, there's no evidence.

It's not my vote who'd elect Trump, it's those Bernouts throwing tantrums.

My head isn't in the sand, it's held high.

[Phlem]

119. Wow. Can't think of anything original. Gotta pick one

that's been used a bajillion times that's too stupid to consider.

[Arneoker]

49. How are they paramount to decision making?

Versus anything else she has ever said to anyone of any kind of power and influence?

[Recursion]

53. Well, if the public starts feeling that way, you might see some motion on that

As it is outside of a few online bubble chambers nobody cares (and I don't really take seriously people who claim to care here; nobody actually cares which focus-grouped, vapid bromides she used at a keynote speech).

[BernieforPres2016]

65. Tea party of the left?

How long have you been a Republican?

[Duckhunter935]

67. When you get a quarter of a million per speech

They become relevent. When you received millions in personal payments for companies your administration will regulate, it DOES become relevant.

[coffeeAM]

34. Shhh the Clinton supporters dont want to hear about what is going to come when she is not protected

by the bubble that is the democratic primary and has to face the 320 million people of this country.

[Historic NY]

40. Yawn where's Bernies taxes....

speeches she made a a private citizen....you can see what she made. You can't from the Jane & Bernie Snowjob.

[B Calm]

56. He released them two months ago, but you continue with that smear.

[Bobbie Jo]

83. For one year - 2014.

That's it.

Not even LAST year's.

Personally, I'd like to see what happened in 2012.

[B Calm]

106. That's what it's going to take for him to win your vote is to show you

his boring tax return, LOL.

[Bobbie Jo]

109. Did I say that?

LOL?

He's running for President of the United States.

This is standard.

[B Calm]

111. If Hillary would show the transcripts of the speech she gave to the Wall Street Banksters

who stolen our money and then got our tax dollars to bail them out, I might be persuaded to support her if she wins the primary. Depending on what she said in her speech.

You on the other hand could care less about Bernie's boring little tax returns, you are only in it for the phony smear.

[Bobbie Jo]

112. Transcripts of speeches aren't standard.

Taxes - Yes.

Didn't bother with the rest of that mess.

[B Calm]

113. He's already released them. While true on the transcripts, that's what I want to see. I'm still

pretty pissed off about bailing out those crooks.

[Bobbie Jo]

116. This again?

You're going in circles here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1971776

[B Calm]

117. LOL, still like to see what she said to the crooks who stole my money!

[Dem2]

45. Imagining that Republican priorities are Democratic priorities is incredibly foolish

This thread is entirely silly.

[Ferd Berfel]

46. Haven't you noticed that irony never registers in the conservative authoritarian brain

They can ignore it very easily somehow

[Arneoker]

50. Yeah, the Sanders supporters excuses

For not releasing tax returns while insisting on speech transcripts really is something, isn't it!

[onecaliberal]

98. They've already been released, and it doesn't matter how many times your repeat that lie.

Google is your friend. They can also be found with a search on this very site.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. "Leave Trump alone."

[dchill]

51. Speech!

[Thinkingabout]

55. How ironic, are you promoting Trump on DU?

[Lil Missy]

60. the only people who care about the transcripts

Are people who would never vote for her anyway. They can go piss up a rope. Nobody else cares about the transcripts.

[B Calm]

70. A lot of people lost money to the Wall Street Banksters, including you. Don't tell

me to piss up a rope, I want to know what the hell she said.

[Arneoker]

61. Bottom line

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Concerning things like transcripts and campaign contributions.

What if she released the transcripts.

What if she took no more in contributions from those connected to Wall Street or other powerful interests than Bernie did.

And she had the same positions on the issues.

Would those of you supporting Bernie think any better of her? If so, why would you?

Now I think there should be transparency in campaign contributions, and also think that they should be regulated a lot more. I think candidates releasing tax returns should be expect. I lean towards Hillary releasing the GS transcripts. I don't think that they'll show much of any substance, although I expect that they would be cherry picked for stuff of trivial meaning.

But in terms of judging candidates, I think that some perspective needs to be maintained.

[apcalc]

76. Not the same...

Want proof?

Try sending in transcript of a speech to the IRS.

[Sheepshank]

85. This is not the first time you have compared Hillary unfavorably to Trump

you know full well that releasing taxes has become the go-to Presidential nominee's public requirement since Nixon. Speeches made as a private citizen to a private organization...not so much.

Speeches are in part intellectual property and and been bought and paid for. And now you all want it for free?

OP is disingenuous they are NOT the same and both with a very difference set of precedence.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

87. Are you suggesting the original poster's proverbial slip is showing?

[Sheepshank]

88. That is exactly what I am suggesting n/t

[EndElectoral]

90. "Stupid is as Stupid does" - Forrest Gump

[Actor]

101. GDP = Trash Democratic Party

[underthematrix]

103. Funny isn't it. Trump and Bernie supporters sound just alike

Since 1976, every presidential candidate has released their tax returns. This is not the case with paid speeches. Bernie/Trump supporters are trying to pretend apples are oranges. They're not. Paid speeches are not relevant.

[joshcryer]

107. The transcripts are a perfect distraction.

Absolutely brilliant. She can dangle them forever without repercussions, and she can release them because there's nothing there. So she can and will use them for Trumps tax returns.

[asuhornets]

108. Whose side are you on? n/t