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Sun May 15, 2016, 01:09 AM

I just read why 64 Bernie NV delegates had their credentials stripped--and I shed a tear or two

(May 16: Update. I've linked to an update about this situation, at the bottom of my post)

I've never talked about this on DU, but I guess now is a good time.

I'm a Bernie delegate from Iowa. I participated in our County Convention and I was gearing up to participate as a Bernie delegate in our District Convention, which was held two weeks ago. Three days before the District Convention, I get a phone call from a Bernie Sanders staff member.

They were wondering why I was registered as a Republican in the state of Iowa.

I was flabbergasted. Our Iowa Caucuses were Feb 1, and to participate you must be a REGISTERED DEMOCRAT. I participated, gave a speech for Bernie and served as a Precinct Captain. Furthermore, I've voted Democrat my entire life, starting in the early 1980's.

You can imagine my shock. Why was I, a Bernie delegate, now a REGISTERED REPUBLICAN?

I was told that there were other Bernie delegates who were also coming up as REGISTERED REPUBLICANS too. One of them was a life-long Democrat who was also a Democratic County Precinct Chair.

I was informed, three days before our District Convention, that if I showed up at our Convention as a REGISTERED REPUBLICAN that the Hillary people could challenge my credentials, strip me of my credentials and that I would be disallowed from participating or voting.

I had to go downtown and switch my registration. The woman at the counter confirmed that I was indeed--a REGISTERED REPUBLICAN.

FACT: SOMETIME BETWEEN FEB 1 AND MAY 1--MY VOTER REGISTRATION SWITCHED FROM DEMOCRAT TO REPUBLICAN.

I have NO IDEA how. I never switched it.

I showed up at the District Convention in May---and sure enough, my name had a big line through it. The Hillary person at the check-in table questioned my Republican status. I had the appropriate paperwork to document that I had switched to Democrat, so I was let in.

I just learned that in Nevada that 64 of Bernie's delegates were stripped of their credentials. A Hillary supporter on DU posted the official reason: "because they weren't 'registered as Democratic voters by May 1, 2016'"

I bet they weren't REGISTERED DEMOCRATS. Maybe they became REGISTERED REPUBLICANS...just like I did. It's like some kind of political miracle, in which Bernie delegates get their registrations switched out of thin air.

Simply unbelievable.

I had a few tears coming down, when I read about why those 64 were stripped of their credentials. Bernie would have won that Nevada caucus room, if those 64 delegates would have been allowed to participate. I hope those delegates find out WHY their credentials were stripped and I hope they fight the ruling--if their voter registrations were switched without their knowledge.

Update to this post 5/20/16: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511974138

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 01:16 AM

1. They should run it again

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #1)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:22 AM

254. Run what? Why?

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Response to George II (Reply #254)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:33 AM

256. You sound like George III n/t

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 01:18 AM

2. They earn every ounce of disdain they receive.

 

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Response to timmymoff (Reply #2)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:51 AM

49. They earn more than they receive, because we have to avoid hides.

 

Much more.

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Response to senz (Reply #49)

Sun May 15, 2016, 07:34 AM

70. I've got a ton of them already

 

Bunch of thin-skinned half-wits.

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Response to timmymoff (Reply #70)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:35 AM

128. Me too. Maybe I deserved one of them -- maybe.

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Response to timmymoff (Reply #70)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:55 AM

140. With 8 hides in two months I'd think one would be FFR. Hmmm

 

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Response to senz (Reply #49)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:50 AM

136. THIS MY FRIENDS IS CORPORATISM /FA****M AT WORK!

Easy to get HIDES for TRUTH TELLING around here! Yeah the "Machine" ala Clinton/Reid/DWS alliance at work!

So much for DEMOCRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT IN THE democratic party!

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Response to CorporatistNation (Reply #136)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:51 AM

137. The Perpetrators of Such CRIMINALITY Expect US To Vote for You Know Who In The GE?

Me thinks that THEY are a little too OVER CONFIDENT!

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Response to timmymoff (Reply #2)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:05 AM

267. ^^^^^^this 10000 times + ^^^^^^^

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 01:19 AM

3. So you voted in the Democratic caucus in Feb,and by May 1st your registration was switched to Repub?

That is beyond suspicious. This is happening in too many states to be random glitches.

What has the Democratic Party become? One clue is when you embrace a scumbag like David Brock.

Birds of a feather.....as the saying goes.

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #3)

Sun May 15, 2016, 01:27 AM

6. That's exactly what happened

I participated in the Iowa Caucuses. You cannot participate unless you are a registered Democrat. I participated. I was a precinct captain, I gave a speech for Bernie and became a delegate that night.

So...as of Feb 1, I was a registered Democrat in the state of Iowa.

In early May, I was informed that I was officially a registered Republican. I went down to the Voter Registration office and the woman at the counter confirmed that I indeed a registered Republican.

I filled out paperwork and registered as a Democrat.

Crazy, isn't it?

I've never heard of election problems, snafus, mishaps and anomalies, registration switching, people not being able to vote, exit polling data not matching election results--on this scale before. The Republican exit polls match their election results. They also aren't having these outlandish problems that we're having--from state to state to state.

It's like a political pandemic has hit our Democratic Primaries. Rampant cheating and crazy stuff happening in so many states. Investigations in IL, NY, AZ and now there is evidence of Bernie losing votes in Delaware?

I've never seen or heard of anything like this in the history of our party.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #6)

Sun May 15, 2016, 02:18 AM

18. Our party has a long history that include three major realignments and 3 minor ones

This is old, not new, it is reminiscent of the Tammany Hall days.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #6)

Sun May 15, 2016, 09:22 AM

88. Ask to see paperwork that changed you to republican and call 911

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Response to IADEMO2004 (Reply #88)

Sun May 15, 2016, 09:32 AM

93. Link to Iowa Attorney General complaint form

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Response to IADEMO2004 (Reply #88)

Sun May 15, 2016, 09:49 AM

95. I agree with asking that they provide data on when and how it was changed.

I disagree with calling 911. That is not what 911 is used for.

I'm wondering how registration can be changed that easily. Both the paper form and the bmv online method require details that only the voter should know. Either way there should be a track on when it occurred and who processed it.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #6)

Mon May 16, 2016, 06:47 PM

228. So you participated in district conventions in May?

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Response to Sharpcarnival (Reply #228)

Mon May 16, 2016, 06:58 PM

230. Our District Convention was end of April--April 30

When I posted my original post on May 15, I knew that two weekends ago, I participated in the Convention. I didn't recall the exact date. I should have looked it up, but I didn't. I just wrote early May. I knew it was two weeks ago, and I counted back 14 days--erroneously believing it was early May.

The District Convention was 4/30.

I just looked back at my text messages. I was contacted on 4/21 and informed that I was a registered Republican at the time. I went to the Polk County Auditor's office on 4/22 and switched my registration and I informed the Sanders staffer who called me, to let them know that I had switched. I also took a picture of the paperwork, showing that I switched, and I also obtained a copy. I presented that copy at the check-in table in the morning.

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #3)

Sun May 15, 2016, 05:10 PM

192. Okay... Do you have ANY evidence that this down to Hillary?

I eman, it sucks for you, but th esuggestion that this is down to Clinton supporters appears to be completely unsupported.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #192)

Sun May 15, 2016, 05:44 PM

195. you have got to be kidding

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #192)

Mon May 16, 2016, 12:20 AM

206. The person posting the OP did not say it was Hillary's fault

 

Just stating facts. Guilty conscious perhaps? You believe it was Clinton?

Very very telling.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 01:20 AM

4. Unbelievable...there are obviously lots of dirty tricks...

Going on, especially in the states that have a lot of weight behind them with regards to number of delegates, momentum, perception, etc. Iowa and NV were two of those.

DNC and Clinton machine are prime suspects.

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Sun May 15, 2016, 10:01 AM

97. that last sentence is complete bull shit nt

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Response to tex-wyo-dem (Reply #4)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:38 AM

129. Yup.

But you might get a hide for saying that. Or at least an alert.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 01:33 AM

7. Sanders camp fucks up registratrion, steals data, has wrong message for dem base & is not his fault

:rolleyes:

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #7)

Sun May 15, 2016, 01:36 AM

8. coffecat did not fuck up her registration...god this is getting so pathetic. The system

is RIGGED!

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #8)

Sun May 15, 2016, 01:47 AM

9. Serious Shenanigans. The Chair JUST FLED.

 

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Response to AzDar (Reply #9)

Sun May 15, 2016, 02:40 AM

22. memorialized

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Response to grasswire (Reply #22)

Sun May 15, 2016, 10:59 AM

111. this is an outrage! so sorry this happened to you, and to all of us!

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Response to grasswire (Reply #22)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:45 AM

135. I'm so glad that moment in time has been captured

It's a good example of the undemocratic stacking of the deck the establishment has used. They've sowed the wind with that. Now comes the whirlwind.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #8)

Sun May 15, 2016, 01:48 AM

10. I didn't do anything with my registration

I was a registered Democrat on Feb 1. By May 1, I was a registered Republican.

I did nothing with my registration.

But what happened to me, is happening to people all over the country in our Democratic primaries. Lifelong Democrats check their registrations and discover that they are registered Independents, Republicans or not registered at all.

It's getting to be a level that is batshit crazy.

I am questioning the legitimacy of our entire primary process.

Thanks for pointing out that I didn't do anything with my registration. Because I surely didn't.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #7)

Sun May 15, 2016, 02:06 AM

15. Are you calling Coffee Cat a liar? Because it sure sounds like you are.

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Response to jillan (Reply #15)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:17 AM

36. Sounds like that to me too. nt

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #7)

Sun May 15, 2016, 02:44 AM

23. I think y'all are going to feel this.

 

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #7)

Sun May 15, 2016, 07:16 AM

69. If you are calling CoffeeCat a liar,

then I'm calling you a jackass.

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Response to chwaliszewski (Reply #69)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:20 PM

181. +1 Coffeecat has long fine history on dU. I believe her.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #7)

Sun May 15, 2016, 08:47 AM

74. Nobody stole any data.

WHAT'S TRUE: During a brief security lapse due to a bug on the part of third-party campaign information data company NGP VAN, four staffers from the Bernie Sanders campaign had unauthorized access to limited data pertaining to the Hillary Clinton campaign. The DNC has since pledged to restore the Sanders campaign's access to the voter files.

WHAT'S FALSE: The data were accessed over a lengthy period; the data were "exported" or otherwise extracted; the data were of high value to the Sanders campaign.

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #74)

Sun May 15, 2016, 12:21 PM

146. Accessing the DNC's data does not permit someone to change voter registrations . . .

. . . from Democrat to Republican. Voter registration databases, from which the DNC derives its information about voter registrations, is maintained at the state level, and neither the DNC nor the RNC has the ability to alter it.

Nice try at deflection, though.

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #146)

Sun May 15, 2016, 12:39 PM

152. But governors do.

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #146)

Sun May 15, 2016, 06:52 PM

199. I wasn't deflecting.

I was addressing someone's specific wording. I think you misunderstood.

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #74)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:47 PM

185. But the data WERE searched and saved by Bernie's campaign -- saved to a Bernie part of the system.

And that was deliberate and it was unethical.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #207)

Mon May 16, 2016, 12:38 AM

208. I'm not lying. The data was not exported somewhere else but it WAS saved within the system

in the Bernie staffers' personal files, even though it didn't belong to Bernie. The Bernie campaign was pretending that because they didn't export files outside of the system, that it was okay for them to save Hillary data within the Bernie staffers' personal files on the system. But they were wrong.

I did omit the fact that there was one "statistical summary" that WAS exported. Is that what you're calling a lie?


http://time.com/4155185/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-data/

Beyond simply reviewing the data, the logs show the Sanders staffers took deliberate steps to harvest and store the information. According to the logs, the Sanders staff created from scratch no fewer than 24 lists—consisting entirely of data pulled down from the Clinton campaign’s database—and saved them to their personal folders.


http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/bernie-sanders-dnc-lawsuit-campaign-222659

“During that time, the four users conducted 25 searches using proprietary Hillary for America score data across 11 states. All of the results of these searches were saved within the VoteBuilder system, with the exception of one instance where a user exported a statistical summary of a search using HFA scoring in New Hampshire,” the DNC statement said. “CrowdStrike found no evidence of unauthorized access by the Hillary for America or O’Malley for President campaigns. Today, the Sanders campaign also voluntarily dismissed the breach of contract action pending against the DNC.”

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #7)

Sun May 15, 2016, 09:16 AM

84. If you have any integrity you'll delete this post.

Someone is changing peoples registrations.

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Response to Loudestlib (Reply #84)

Sun May 15, 2016, 09:56 AM

96. What I keep hearing is that voter registrations are being changed.

But I have yet to hear how it is being done. Has anyone tried to track what happen to their voter registration yet? If this is happening that information is also needed to tighten the process to prevent it.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #96)

Sun May 15, 2016, 12:43 PM

153. I would like to know who in the government of those states is a Dem or?

This is a planned event throughout certain states. What is the connection in these states to the flipping of registrations. Software owned by who, government entities endorsing who.. what or who is connected in these states. There has to be a trail or one thing that connects the dots.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #153)

Sun May 15, 2016, 01:36 PM

169. It is not likely planned.

Florida, Iowa, Nevada all run by Republicans.

The common denominator in each case is party affiliation is included for voter registration and it involves party declaration for a primary election/caucus.

The DMV is probably where it is all happening and likely involves software application design issues.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #96)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:40 PM

182. It appears to be many different ways.

Of those who have obtained and posted photos of their illegally altered registrations, some show a completely different (forged) signature and some show a 100% match (appearing like a photocopy). My guess is that most actually don't have that kind of a paper trail (just because of the sheer number of mysterious changes).

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Response to bkscribe (Reply #182)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:43 PM

183. Where are those photos?

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #7)

Sun May 15, 2016, 10:09 AM

101. Did you even read what CoffeeCat wrote......

....or are you just calling him/her a liar?

Either way, ugh! Just, ugh!

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #7)

Sun May 15, 2016, 10:33 AM

108. You could stop rolling those eyes long enough to actually read the post you're replying to.

That is not what this thread is about.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #7)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:41 AM

131. Lol!

That's the only response a Hillary supporter can possibly have in the face of this -- unless they were credible and said something like, "That should never happen regardless of who it happens to."

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #7)

Sun May 15, 2016, 12:29 PM

148. Irrespective of the access to the Clinton campaign's proprietary data . . .

. . . the DNC's database (of which each candidate's proprietary data is a subset), lists registered Democrats, but it does not maintain the records of those registrations, which are maintained at the state/county level. So that simply does not account for what happened here.

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #148)

Sun May 15, 2016, 12:45 PM

155. There is a connection somewhere in the states affected by flipped registrations.

software, endorsements to one candidate, something or someone high up is ordering this to happen.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #7)

Mon May 16, 2016, 05:06 PM

220. You mean the data Josh Uretsky

was involved in and the guy who the DNC and NGP VAN recommended to the Sanders camp??? The guy who is pictured below with Obama..... Do you recall how NGP VAN had same problem earlier in the year and the same "problem" in 2008. HHMMM what are the same in 2008 and in 2016??? Hillary Clinton and NGP VAN of course!!!!........partners in crime perhaps????



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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 01:50 AM

11. Hillarity supporters have an excuse a minute

 

why she can't put sanders away. That alone speaks volumes of our chances in November if she wins the nomination. Sadly my vote won't count if she wins the nomination because I won't cast one for president.

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Response to timmymoff (Reply #11)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:56 AM

141. They have the Oligarchy on their side so feel invincible. nm

 

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 01:55 AM

12. I completely agree that falsely changed registrations are wrong and illegal.

And I do think it happens. In AZ I suspected that some workers would willfully (and illegally) switch people just because they're terrible human beings. And I don't think they were necessarily Democrats switching affiliations, they could well have been Republicans trying to fuck up the process. The worst part is if it's low level shenanigans by terrible human beings is that you will have a very hard time proving it. They wouldn't do it at a level that you could detect, it'd just be "an accident" or "a misstep." We know that in AZ the Republican person in charge of opening polling stations intentionally closed them in heavy Latino areas. I believe she resigned later on but her excuse was that the numbers weren't showing. It didn't just hurt Democrats, it hurt Republicans too, because the number of polling stations led to huge lines.

That being said, however, it is clear to me that in at least some instances in Nevada people changed their registrations from Democrat to independent / unaffiliated and expected to go into the convention as a delegate only to be told that they switched. There's at least one person on Reddit who admitted this huge fuck up.

Now, you'll say "that's not what happened here," and I know you didn't change and I believe that you didn't. I'm saying that there is an element where people voted for Sanders and left the party. There is a 332 rec'd thread here championing leaving the Democratic party: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511425503

Again, I know that you didn't do this. But out of 64 people I believe it's very possible many of them did do this, not realizing that you can't be a delegate for the Democratic convention without being a Democrat.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #12)

Sun May 15, 2016, 02:07 AM

16. But the problem is that most people who are delegates understand

that you have to be a registered Democrat to continue participating.

The Bernie delegates that participated today in NV have done the following: They caucuses for Bernie in NV and signed up to be a delegate. They participated in the first convention as a delegate. And they showed up today, continuing to be a delegate for Bernie Sanders.

These are very involved people. There are meetings, emails sent out and lots of information about the rules of participating.

I just finished being a delegate in the third round--same stage of the process as those in NV today. I really have a hard time believing that a large number of them switched back to Independent while they are still participating in the delegate process. That does not make sense that 64 did this en masse--and that this was close to the number that was needed to secure a healthy delegate win for Clinton in NV.

I want to hear from these people. I'd like to hear why these 64 had their credentials stripped and what they have to say about it.

I bet we hear plenty of stories like mine.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #16)

Sun May 15, 2016, 02:18 AM

17. I linked a post with someone who did it.

That's all I can say.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #17)

Sun May 15, 2016, 02:25 AM

20. I understand that one person did it

and I apologize if I didn't make myself clear. My point was that I have a hard time believing that these were legitimate credential challenges, because changing your registration while you're still actively participating in the delegate process--seems like a very odd, rare behavior.

Yes, I see that you posted a link that someone on Reddit did it. That doesn't mean that 64 did.

I don't believe that, at all.

My registration was switched, so of course I know firsthand that this does happen to people.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #20)

Sun May 15, 2016, 02:51 AM

27. I have heard so many of these stories...

People should get a phone call whenever somebody switches them, to verify its genuine.

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Response to Baobab (Reply #27)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:25 AM

121. Sometimes when I go to a website I have not visited for a while, especially one where I

use a card to make purchases, I will discover that I no longer recall my password, so I have to go through the process to change my password so I can access the site.

Whenever I make any changes at all, I get an email notification that there has been activity on my account and changes have been made, and a link is provided so I can immediately fix it if the activity and changes were made by someone other than me.

If any changes are made to a voter's registration, the same thing should happen: the voter should get an immediate notification about the changes having been made.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #121)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:07 PM

203. In Oregon if your registration changes

you are sent a Voter's card with name, address, party, precinct, effective date and voter number.

I got so nervous hearing about the changing registrations that I check my registration online every day until I got my ballot and mailed it in.

AND I won't change back until after the convention.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #20)

Sun May 15, 2016, 02:53 AM

29. Probably not.

Probably some had their registrations screwed up. I don't think it's a conspiracy by the Clinton camp, I think it is ultimately people not appreciating the chaotic process that is the caucus system, and being fucked over by either mistakes with the voter registry (or willful changing of registrations on a low level). Failing to realize that challenges to registration can be very damning, if your address on your registration is wrong, then you're done. 6 of the 64 challenges were allowed to be seated once they went through the confirmation process.

It's not going to just be one person who went independent. It's going to be more than that.

There were 3357 delegates (people voting) at the convention. Sanders lost 58. That's 1% of the entire delegation. 1 percent. It's very possible Clinton's delegates were challenged too and they didn't make a fuss of it when they lost 1%.

(You don't complain when the caucus is going in your favor, you sit down and shut up which the Sanders people did when they took over the Clark County convention and tried to flip the results.)

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #29)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:08 AM

55. Fact is you're just happy with the result.

So you're happy with any kind of shit you say to explain it.

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Response to delrem (Reply #55)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:12 AM

56. I'm OK with a caucus not stealing the vote away.

Since caucuses by their nature are corrupt entities that maintain the status quo.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #56)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:14 AM

57. I'm sure. esp. that splainin you did about "the status quo". You rock.

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Response to delrem (Reply #57)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:15 AM

58. I'm guessing you're upset?

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #58)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:25 AM

61. No.

I'm not even a US citizen.
I'm a bystander.

You rock.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #29)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:35 AM

127. When appropriate, Clinton folk have the right and the ability to make a fuss...

and they should. Lacking that, it leaves the "Bernie People" to complain about rigged procedures that affect their candidate.

I have not yet read this happening to a Hillary supporter. They should speak up, if so.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #20)

Sun May 15, 2016, 10:14 AM

102. It just came to me of a possible reason for the change.

Even though it happened to 64 delegates it would not necessarily mean they did it intentionally or that it was nefarious. It would also make no sense that it only happened to just 64 delegates amounting to about 2 percent of them. That would not be enough to change the outcome.

The likely scenario is that maybe it was time for them to renew their drivers license. In the process as part of their habit they gave their usual response to the party affiliation question. Another possible explanation would be that the BMV doesn't receive party affiliation data from the voter registration office and they still had their old party affiliation on file at the BMV. And they may not have asked the question and the old data was sent to voter registration.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #102)

Sun May 15, 2016, 01:32 PM

168. :facepalm:

You do realize drivers licenses last a while, right? All 64 delegates renewed their driver's licenses in the intervening months is about as likely as all 64 being hit by a meteor.

You're trying very, very, very hard to pretend nothing nefarious could possibly happen.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #168)

Sun May 15, 2016, 02:09 PM

175. Sure if all of them were in one neighborhood.

You don't know where those delegates live throughout the state. Those 64 delegates are a very small percentage of the total delegates. AND there are only 12 months in a year. Add to that it is not restricted to people born in a specific year. They could be born in any year from about 1930 to 1998. That is a nearly 70 year range. 60 if you want to be conservative about the range.

Based on the Sanders delegates of 1,662 if there was an even distribution of delegates by months it would be 138 for each month. Since the time frame covers two different months it puts it at 176 delegates. Not all of them would be renewing. Then there are some that would be updating their address as required.

What is questionable are the circumstances regarding this issue. So far we don't know actual details. We just have a report that delegates weren't seated because they weren't registered. There are people supporting Sanders that are blaming Clinton without any evidence. They want to blame Clinton for everything that happens to them.

It does need to be investigated and published.

If this was something nefarious it should be happening in more than just a few states as claimed.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #175)

Mon May 16, 2016, 01:57 AM

216. So you think drivers license expiration dates are set by neighborhood?

Really?

THAT is what you're going to go with?

SMH.

There are people supporting Sanders that are blaming Clinton without any evidence.

Evidence such as it disproportionately hurt Sanders? 64 to 8, in this case. Using your motor-voter theory, it would be far more equal.

Or evidence like the fact that the state party leadership has all backed Clinton, and they were the ones deciding to throw out those Sanders delegates.

Or evidence like this same disproportionately-hurting-Sanders-voters thing has appeared now in several states.

Yep, no reason at all to notice the trend. It's all an enormous number of random, innocent mistakes that disproportionately hurt one candidate. Nothing wrong here! Go back to watching the TV and the same people that made these "mistakes" will sort it out.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #216)

Mon May 16, 2016, 01:24 PM

218. I said no such thing.

Do you think that all of delegates affected lived in the same county let alone neighborhood?
Within my precinct there are 1,022 voters. Of those 1,022 voters, 85 were born in the month of May. Within my city council district there are 39,699 voters. Of those 39,699 voters, 3,312 were born in the month of May. Within my congressional district there are 493,955 voters. Of those 493,955 voters, 39,970 were born in the month of May. It expands even more at the state level. Spread that out over a 4 year or 8 year period still provides more than enough of a pool when all 4 congressional districts are considered. Then factor this over a two month period instead of one month.

There is no trend in what was happening. They are all isolated incidents not related to the Clinton campaign or state parties. Rather it is the Sanders campaign that failed to know the laws for each state as well as rules for caucuses. This is the result of an outsider trying and failing to manipulate it.

If there was a trend why didn't it happen in South Carolina, Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia,Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Florida, North Carolina, Ohio, Delaware, Maryland, Pennsylvania, and other places?

BTW elections are not controlled by the Democratic Party. The election laws are legislatively enacted.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #175)

Mon May 16, 2016, 09:08 PM

233. All it takes is 1-2% to change the outcome.

1-2% were not able to cast their "ballot" because? There in lies the question, we do not know why, the DNC would not answer why, therefore we only have speculation.

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #233)

Mon May 16, 2016, 09:46 PM

234. Why would the DNC need to provide a response?

They weren't running the convention. It is a state convention. Not a national convention.

Those nearly 60 people were rejected by the Credentials Committee for either not being registered as a Democrat, not living at their registered address, or possibly not existing.

The Credentials Committee was represented by both campaigns.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #234)

Tue May 17, 2016, 11:20 PM

248. OK, The DNC is not in charge. FIFY

All it takes is 1-2% to change the outcome.
1-2% were not able to cast their "ballot" because? There in lies the question, we do not know why, those in charge of the caucus would not answer why, therefore we only have speculation.

Do you have the answer? Google was of no use as to why those in charge of the caucus would not bring the "minority report" to a floor vote.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #20)

Sun May 15, 2016, 10:16 AM

104. I would also take anything posted on Reddit

with a grain of salt, but that's just me.

It's really starting to feel like someone -- or a group of someones -- are out to destroy the Democratic party with a scorched earth, win-at-all-costs game plan.

I have a lump in my throat the size of a basketball.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #17)

Sun May 15, 2016, 12:32 PM

150. And one anecdote hardly constitutes a reason to assume . . .

. . . that this is what happened in all or most other cases.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #12)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:45 AM

134. Sounds pretty far-fetched to me. Why would a delegate change their own registration?

I think you are fishing for reasons to legitimize this.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #12)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:19 PM

237. Thanks Josh, you are a breath of fresh air always.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 01:57 AM

13. Underhanded dirty low down scumbaggery.

 

Can only imagine what will happen in the general and the actual term of office, if it comes to that. Totally depressing.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 02:03 AM

14. Welcome to the ever growing club, I was a Registered Democrat for 37 years until I wasn't

I voted in every election (with the exception of 2002 when I was mostly unconscious in the hospital), loyal to the point of voting straight Democratic ticket even when a nose plug was required, I did so because I also voted in every primary election, and so had my one person, one vote chance to choose the best on offer (when any were offered, many seats never face primary challenges unfortunately).

After many warnings were posted here regarding affiliation changing and purging from the primary voter roles after the Arizona election fraud incident, I took the advice and checked online to find I was NPA all of a sudden, just before the NY Presidential Primary! I went to the local office and was told the same, I contacted the state officials and was also told the same and nothing could be done that would allow me to vote in this particular primary. I did vote by affidavit (our word for provisional) ballot, but even that was hard and I had to talk to a supervisor before being allowed to do so, as two separate poll workers told me I could not do that, unfortunately for our democracy provisional and affidavit ballots are just placebo votes and I believe it is quite rare for any of them to be counted.

It appears the party wants to throw out Democrats (possibly to make room for all those moderate Republicans Hillary is said to be courting). I believe the purged from the party are targeted because I have not heard of any such things happening to the further right among us, specifically those that have chose hillary this primary, I suppose it could be coincidence that thousands of Sanders supporters have been purged from the party, but I doubt the odds favor such a conclusion.

Welcome to the club, we were hit very hard in NYS, in the big cities especially. they appear to have chosen purges in your state based on both who you support and if you were a caucus delegate. It makes sense, We have closed primaries in my state chosen by county votes. Populations in counties determine the amount of delegates, so the strategy was a good one. The strategy in your state appears to be good based on how your primaries are decided.

I have decided to stay the Independent they made me when they chose to throw me out of the party without my authorization, my consent, or even so much as a polite letter telling me My affiliation was changed for me by my own party that wanted me out.

I suppose they no longer need our votes, stupid move IMO. I likely would have, out of long time habit, simply chosen straight Democratic ticket in the GE, instead, now that they feel my vote and party membership is no longer needed or wanted, I will choose each slot on my ballot after careful consideration of everyone running and doing my research to find the ones to vote for based on a criteria involving not just their rhetoric, but what can be found about the records of their actions and vote those that appear to align with my best interest.

It will mean a great deal more research on my part (it was so easy voting straight ticket all those years, only having to do research on the occasional primaried seat). However now that I have been made an Independent against my will, I shall act responsibly as one and vote only for my best interests and the interests of the younger people that will have to fight our wars and survive our climate change.

Perhaps we should form a club of those discarded from the party? (I would advise losing that Republican stain they placed on your name ASAP, it might attract maggots)

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #14)

Sun May 15, 2016, 02:19 AM

19. I'm removing myself from the Democratic Party on Monday...

..in your honor, in CoffeeCat's honor.

I wasn't sure what to make of these claims until now.

I no longer want any part of this party.

Decision made. Unless I find it has already been made for me, of course.

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Response to Barack_America (Reply #19)

Sun May 15, 2016, 02:26 AM

21. If you have yet to vote in a closed primary a chance exists it has already been changed for you

Check anyway, there have been reports not only of changes from Democratic to NPA, but also to Republican, Libertarian, the Independent party (not the same as being an independent and very right wing in most states they exist).

Choose unaffiliated or a party you believe in, have your druthers, but check if you are as described (IOW needed as a Democrat to vote for Bernie in the Primary), you may not like what you find.

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #21)

Sun May 15, 2016, 02:48 AM

25. Do not do what they want you to do, which is to stay independent or leave the Democratic Party.

 

Especially in closed/semi-closed primary states. They are TRYING to run you off. Hell, they de-registered you. They really don't want you mucking in their primary elections.

SO MUCK IN THEIR PRIMARY ELECTIONS.

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Response to w4rma (Reply #25)

Sun May 15, 2016, 10:31 AM

107. yes, but what is the point? They will just de register people again

And then when they go begging for our votes in the GE, we can tell them "sorry - I'm not even a part of YOUR party - the party that you kicked me out" and basically tell them to shove off.

They don't want me, fine. But they sure as hell better not be counting on me in November. It's their own damn fault if Trump is elected.

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Response to dana_b (Reply #107)

Sun May 15, 2016, 01:16 PM

165. Overwhelming numbers. So overwhelming that they can't steal it.

 

That day is coming. The neoliberals are in old folks homes and are dying of old age. The next generation of Democrats are progressives.

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Response to dana_b (Reply #107)

Mon May 16, 2016, 01:05 AM

213. That needs to be repeated loudly

and often --

It's their own damn fault if Trump is elected.

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Response to w4rma (Reply #25)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:26 PM

189. I agree with this post, stay and fight

if and until we have somewhere else that needs our primary vote that better represents our interests, keep fighting in the Democratic Party primaries. Getting Bernie supporters out of that process is EXACTLY what they want, don't willingly give it to them.

I'm in California, and the final date to register for the upcoming Democratic Primary is May 23. I hope everyone here from California checks their registration on or around May 22.

Longterm,, we really need to look at this, and at whether it's worth working within the party or forming a new one, but that conversation can wait till after this primary is decided.

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Response to Barack_America (Reply #19)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:00 AM

112. we, and millions, are doing the same, however,

there appears to be some discussion about when to do this. some say to wait until after the
convention, because it will be contested

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Response to amborin (Reply #112)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:53 AM

138. Yeah, wait till after the convention. No sense giving them what they want right now.

I'm bailing the Party after the convention I think -- unless it gives me good reason to reconsider. .... Haven't sent any money to the Democratic Party in over a year now, so why remain a member? I just don't trust the Party -- to support my interests or to be truly democratic.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 02:47 AM

24. It has happened to A LOT OF Bernie voters, CC in several states.

 

Remember the data breach way back when? That's where they got the names.

We do have options. We could sink them.

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Response to senz (Reply #24)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:03 AM

31. What options, really, senz???

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Response to senz (Reply #33)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:23 AM

38. Gotcha.

The Dem candidate will need our votes in the GE. I tend to doubt that Senator Sanders would take another option, but that's only my gut feeling about it.

Keep this in mind, fwiw: Hillary Clinton's Unfavorables Keep Going Up.

The Young Turks

Hillary Clinton’s unfavorability polls would make her the most widely disliked candidate the Democratic party has ever nominated.

https://www.facebook.com/TheYoungTurks/videos/10153625475774205/

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Response to elleng (Reply #38)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:35 AM

41. Yes, it's rather validating, isn't it?

 

Bernie is very straightforward, plays by the rules, etc. But this sort thing just might push him, especially if his supporters make it clear that they want it. If there's no fairness whatsoever, then he himself might not want to continue. Did you see his letter to the DNC a day or two ago? He seemed quite shocked at the blatant unfairness of how they're setting up the convention.

Hill's unfavorability strengthens our hand. Even the threat of it might force them to start playing fair. I love knowing we have this strength.

Btw, I deleted my comment.

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Response to senz (Reply #41)

Sun May 15, 2016, 09:14 AM

83. Bernie must ride the wave before it's gone

He knows the fix is in for the convention...
'how can the People's will be served' (he wonders to himself)?

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Response to senz (Reply #24)

Sun May 15, 2016, 07:42 AM

72. Oh for fuck's sake

You do realize that the audit found that only Sanders campaign staffers did that right? Or is that just another part of the never-ending conspiracy?

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Response to mythology (Reply #72)

Tue May 17, 2016, 11:15 PM

246. I wasn't able to find anything after it happened.

Can you help out and point me in the right direction?

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 02:49 AM

26. This is messy. Voting machines are much easier to rig.

 

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 02:53 AM

28. WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO WARN THE VOTERS WHO HAVE YET TO VOTE

I already read one story from a woman in Kentucky who checked her registration and found it had been changed (I believe it changed to Libertarian, but its been awhile since I read her message). She was outraged. Remembering this and knowing Kentucky is now an important state for Bernie, as well as California -- for sure it must be going on there -- we need to do something. Asking the campaign to warn voters might help, but it needs to be much larger scaled than that.

Any thoughts?

Sam

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:02 AM

30. And we used to be the 'good guys.'

"F!"

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:04 AM

32. I am so disgusted with the dirty tricks

We are not Republicans. These types of tactics might work with them but not with us. DISGUSTED! If the only way you can win is by cheating then how are you going to win the general election?

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Response to emsimon33 (Reply #32)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:13 AM

34. Ask George W. Bush. He did it twice.

 

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Response to senz (Reply #34)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:18 AM

37. Yes and the Hillary Democratic Party is looking more & more like him & his merry band!

If you can't win an election, you just blatantly steal it.

Other candidates are looking better and better.

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Response to emsimon33 (Reply #37)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:03 AM

53. Why would the Hillary camp need to do this? There is nothing to gain. A more likely scenario is

someone who would gain from Democratic chaos

Even your comment at the end supports exactly my point

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Response to still_one (Reply #53)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:07 AM

54. They can not win otherwise

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Response to emsimon33 (Reply #54)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:27 AM

63. I disagree. She is currently ahead, there is absolutely no motive for her to do this. If someone's

registration got changed without their consent, it would be caught very easily by the person affected. The only thing that type of event would cause is chaos among Democrats, and that is NOT to Hillary's advantage.

In addition, except for a couple of polls, they have predicted pretty well how the primaries would go so far.

The Democratic primaries are based on a proportional system of delegation, not winner take all, and since the initial Super Tuesday was won by Clinton by a fairly wide margin, it becomes very difficult for the opponent to catch up. Not impossible, but very difficult.

However, if there are this many purported registration errors, than there needs to be an investigation, from an independent party. Perhaps the ACLU, and legal actions need to be taken if wrong doing is found, from where it comes


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Response to still_one (Reply #53)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:55 AM

139. Why would the Hillary camp need to do this?

Because if this was not done, she would not be in the lead. It's interest to me that the DNC has done NOTHING to investigate or correct the situation in the states where election fraud has been claimed. It is also interesting to me that the Clinton camp has said NOTHING about this disenfranchisement. One can only deduce that the reason is it works in their favor.

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Response to ctintheusa (Reply #139)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:48 AM

260. The Clinton camp

sued Arizona.

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Response to emsimon33 (Reply #32)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:35 AM

42. Thank you for bringing up this point!

If the Clinton camp has been cheating from state to state--that means that she has phantom support. Rigging voting machines to give you votes you didn't earn, means the support isn't there. Blocking your opponent's supporters from voting via registration switching, voter suppression and six-hour wait lines--means that you are a weak candidate.

So what happens in the GE? Such a great point.

When the first states voted in our primary, there was a great deal of discussion about how our Democratic voter turnout was very low. I know that the caucus numbers in my state of Iowa, were down 30 percent. It was also noteworthy that Republican turnout was at record-levels. So...that's also a factor.

What is she planning on doing if she's the nominee? She'll have to continue cheating more, but on a grander scale? No way can a person get away with that!

We're on our way to a civil war in this country.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #42)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:56 AM

50. Don't forget that many of her early wins were in red states.

Those states will not vote Democratic in my lifetime.

Second, Hillary, the DNC, and state Democratic Parties may be using Rovian tricks to win the nomination but the masters and inventors of these tricks are the Republicans. Novice vs master. Hmmmm... . Does not bode well in the GE.

When and where the votes can't be stolen, she loses 30% to 70/20% to 80%. What that tells me is that a majority of Democrats simply do not want her for president.

While scare tactics work on the conservative mind (and I am beginning to suspect that this may be in play with many of her supporters), fear is not a guaranteed motivator for most Democrats.

She is on record for wanting to change Social Security and cut Medicare. Other candidates are not. The youth will either riot or bide their time rather than vote for her.

I am beginning to suspect that Trump ran to be the Boogie man that would drive voters to Hillary. It simply may not work. His base is much more committed and larger than the few that actually support her.

Can it get more frustrating? Why Hillary, the DNC, and the state parties are so desperate, I believe, is that their corporate masters and corporations, etc. are looking out from their gilded mansions and they see the peasants with the pitchforks and scythes. They need a bit more time to completely destroy our democratic republic and beggar and enslave the 99% of us.

However, the scales are falling from more and more eyes. The tipping point may have past and using these tactics to deny the will of the people will have such serious consequences that the 60s will look idyllic.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #42)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:26 AM

62. What a contest that will be...

Which party has the most well-honed election rigging system? To think of all the people who were sold a bill of goods that they were fighting for our freedom and right to vote. What a betrayal.

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Response to emsimon33 (Reply #32)

Sun May 15, 2016, 10:58 AM

110. "These types of tactics might work with them but not with us. "

Sorry, I beg to differ. The reality is that these tactics, and others, are in fact working on the democratic side. And have been and will continue to. The Party is over.

disgusting

After this one is over (after I write in Bernie if I have to) I will switch to Inde. This Party is now what the republican party was 40 years ago. Corporate whores. My values haven't changed since protesting VietNam in the streets, but the Party has become what I have protested and worked against all my life.

Something new must emerge. A party that supports the poor and working and middle classes because this is where the strength and wealth of a Nation comes from. None of the current party's do this any longer. The only thing certain here is that the Democratic Party I've supported all my life is dead and as useful as last years news paper.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:14 AM

35. HRC cannot be referred to as "winning" any longer.

As in, the super delegates have to choose her because she is "winning".

This is bullshit, and it's a few straws too many. She is the official CHEATER now, and that deserves no recognition whatsoever.

Especially in light of the fact that by all rights, she shouldn't even be allowed to run while under FBI investigation.

Bernie is the presumptive winner now, and if it doesn't turn out that way, it's a stolen election. Period.

I'm really sad to hear this, CoffeeCat. I'm sad that this happened to you, and Dragonfli, and others, and I'm sad that we have sunk this low in this country. I remember when we used to be mostly honorable people back in the day.

I'm really sick and tired of sharks. It's time to drain the swamp and get rid of them, whatever it takes. People who do this kind of thing, no matter how great they think they are, completely disgust me. They are lower than pond scum.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:27 AM

39. The most corrupt primary I think we have ever had. Bar none. nt

 

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Response to silvershadow (Reply #39)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:39 AM

43. I think of it as the Clinton effect.

 

Everything they touch...

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:29 AM

40. Kicked and recommended.



Thanks for sharing, CoffeeCat.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:40 AM

44. OMG....

Our democracy is gone.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:44 AM

45. Have you renewed your drivers' license?

Federal law requires that people be allowed to register to vote when they renew their driver's license. DMVs send updated addresses, renewal info to Election Divisions. In several states, faulty form and database design has resulted in people's partisan affiliation being changed to unaligned.

This became a big issue in Oregon when the new automatic voter registration system made all the newly registered people unaligned and they didn't realize they actually had to choose a party. Of course, imagine the outrage if they just randomly assigned people a party.

It's Hanlon's Law in action. Don't attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by stupidity. Of course, it's not as exciting or motivating as imagining a big conspiracy, but it does have the advantage of being the most likely explanation.

And to the person who cited the database hack, that makes so sense whatsoever. The investigation is complete, the investigation that Sanders campaign signed off on, and that investigation proved that the only one campaign used the window of opportunity to break into a competing campaign's proprietary data. Sanders campaign was proven to have hacked Clinton and it's proven that neither Clinton nor O'Malley hacked anyone.

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Response to DeminOR (Reply #45)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:50 AM

48. Accusations are being made that people who have been registered for years, have had their

registrations changed. Forget about "the newly registered"

If there is validity in that, then something nefarious is going on.

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Response to still_one (Reply #48)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:19 AM

59. Not just newly registered

This is happening in several states when people are renewing their drivers' licenses. Here's just one example. I am not going to hunt for more because it's almost 1:30 AM.

http://www.mypalmbeachpost.com/news/news/local-govt-politics/florida-motor-voter-foulup-means-no-primary-ballot/nqqCm/

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Response to DeminOR (Reply #59)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:32 AM

64. At least in the Florida case you mentioned that involved people not reading the DMV application

completely, or not understanding their state's registration process

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Response to still_one (Reply #64)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:11 AM

114. Personally, I think the key factor is the DMV.

That is the most likely way voter registration is being changed. And it would have to happen only when that voter renewed or updated their drivers license. And only in states that have party affiliation included with voter registration.

It wouldn't necessarily be the voter's fault either. Filling out a paper form once every several years would make it difficult to know what is expected. If the DMV person is completing the form for the person then they might forget to ask the question. Especially if it is a new employee.

The software application used by the DMV may have a poor design. For instance it might not include confirmation that a person does not want to register to vote or identify their party affiliation. In at least one state if party affiliation is not checked the default is "no party affiliation". The default should instead be "do not change".

The other issue that might be present is it is likely that voter registration data may not be kept by the DMV once it is transmitted to the voter registration office. I would be hesitant in changing this aspect of it. But keeping the fact they are a registered voter should be sufficient.

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Response to still_one (Reply #48)

Mon May 16, 2016, 05:19 PM

221. It should be checked out

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Response to DeminOR (Reply #45)

Sun May 15, 2016, 05:26 AM

66. Sanders' campaign did NOT hack into Clinton's DNC account

This was just settled within the past few weeks, and most definitely the Sanders campaign was found innocent of accessing Clinton's database when the firewall was disabled.
The company that maintains the db is a BIG HRC supporter and former contractor. It is believed that they dropped the firewall as a way to trump up charges against Bernie. And with that the DNC cut off access to Bernie's campaign for 2 days. No one know what HRC did during that time and it is very likely that they did access their campaign database. Regardless, a huge database containing the voting records and registrations of all 50 states was discovered not long ago. Most of it was publicly accessible information, but it had all been compiled into one database. And given that coffee cat was clearly a Bernie Sanders supporter AND a delegate... obviously they could have targeted her/him on that basis alone. But my main point is Sanders did not hack into Clinton's campaign and they were exonerated of those charges. If you want to know just how easy it is to hack an election, check out this article from one of the best. http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-how-to-hack-an-election/

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Response to cnico (Reply #66)

Sun May 15, 2016, 08:38 AM

73. Your post is not accurate in the least.

And your link does nothing to back up your claims.

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Response to JTFrog (Reply #73)

Sun May 15, 2016, 01:03 PM

161. And you don't bother with a link to back up your claims.

Hmmm...

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Response to cnico (Reply #66)

Sun May 15, 2016, 01:41 PM

172. Very well written

I had heard that the head of Bernie's campaign was somebody DWS had suggested so I had thought he was behind it, certainly not Bernie. As has been shown throughout this campaign, Bernie is a rare bird who sticks to his principles and that includes not cheating. Only the Clinton camp has shown that cheating is perfectly acceptable. It's like they took notes on what Bush did or got a Bush operative to help them and they've done it all. Affiliation flipping, caging, purging, hacking the vote counting machines per the exit poll vs vote count, then the fiasco in Nevada where they turned off the lights (at least they didn't turn off the sound system, but then it was her puppet running the show so they turned it up), trying to hide emails (didn't Bush use the RNC server?), deleting emails, then there is the DNC money laundering scheme and the Clinton Foundation quid pro quo. Lying to the FBI and tampering with evidence. Lying to the public. Oh yeah, and the disinformation campaign of Brock and the fact that his superpac commingles with her campaign - they can get away with it because the law didn't keep up with the internet, it's illegal for other forms of media. Skirting the illegal, disregard for the ethical. Stripping Democrats from their party affiliation and right to vote.

Is this really what long time Democrats at DU stand for? THIS is the Democratic Party?

And for those trying to claim it's DMV mistakes or people being stupid and changing their affiliation to Independent when they are a delegate for Sanders: like the Republicans claiming it's voter fraud when it's election fraud! It's deflecting it back to the victim. Clinton took notes on that, too! Don't blame the voters, especially the delegates. As Coffeecat explained, the delegates knew exactly what was expected of them. They would not have shifted party, especially after New York. No way. And the DMV story - funny how it's always the Sanders people who have this problem, kind of like how Sanders gets worse vote counts than the exit polls. The odds of that are, well, there should be a word in statistics to describe fraud.

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Response to cnico (Reply #66)

Sun May 15, 2016, 09:25 PM

202. Saying something does not make it true.


There is a trail, there were four staff using the Clinton database.

I used to think we were the reality-based community, but that idea is shot.

I used to think we needed a tea party of the left, but I meant the energy and enthusiasm, not the resistance to truth and facts.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/bernie-sanders-campaign-penalized-dnc-after-improperly-accessing-clinton-voter-n482341

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Response to DeminOR (Reply #202)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:26 PM

204. That article is from December 18, 2015

A few things have happened in the last five months, such as:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/29/politics/bernie-sanders-dnc-lawsuit-voter-database/


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Response to DeminOR (Reply #45)

Sun May 15, 2016, 09:20 AM

87. .

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #87)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:30 AM

123. Yup.

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Response to DeminOR (Reply #45)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:28 AM

122. Of course it was Sanders hacking.

That explains why my daughter, a registered Democrat and Bernie supporter and donor, who never even visited a HRC site, started receiving mail from Hillary a few weeks later, Cuz' Bernie. Got it.

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Response to DeminOR (Reply #45)

Mon May 16, 2016, 12:59 AM

211. Welcome to DU.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:46 AM

46. K&R'd.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:47 AM

47. There is something really fucked up going on here. It really makes no sense for the Clinton camp to

do this. They have nothing to gain.

I have no idea how people's registrations are getting changed, but if it is this widespread as purported to be here, then most of those that were affected should be able to show their registrations were changed, and in all those cases they need to pursue it with all the legal means available.

This is beyond winning or losing, this is about voter fraud, and if there is validity in this, than a class action needs to take place, and those responsible for those changes need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

If it involved software changing the registrations, then those responsible for the software need to be investigated, and anyone who made changes to that code need to be scrutinized, and what those changes were, and why they were made.

If it involves a person or persons manually changing someone else's registration, those people need to be tracked down. Anyone who has access to the registrations in the states affected need to be investigated.

Assuming this was done intentionally, there is no way that those who allegedly did this could have thought that no one would have noticed, or been exposed. Who really gains the most by this?

1. The Hillary camp? It causes chaos in an already nasty primary, and this exposure would already make that worse. So the only reason for the Hillary camp to do it is to try, and make the Sanders' camp appear off the rails.
2. The Bernie camp? For the same reason as the reason given to the Hillary camp, to cause chaos in an already nasty primary, in the hopes that someone Hillary would somehow lose delegate support.
3. The republican camp? Anything that causes chaos in the Democratic primaries is to the republicans advantage. It distracts from their current issues.

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Response to still_one (Reply #47)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:23 AM

60. Here is the most likely explanation

Motor voter - states that ignored it for years have been forced by the federal government to implement registration at DMV and are not doing well.

http://www.mypalmbeachpost.com/news/news/local-govt-politics/florida-motor-voter-foulup-means-no-primary-ballot/nqqCm/

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Response to DeminOR (Reply #60)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:34 AM

65. That is one explanation, I don't know if it applies to everything though

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Response to still_one (Reply #65)

Sun May 15, 2016, 12:59 PM

158. I read your longer post. Except that these flips are disenfranchising Bernie supporters

at a larger percentage than HRC's.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #158)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:57 PM

188. You don't know that

You are assuming that without any evidence at all. However, if it happening in larger numbers to Bernie supporters it may be because more of his supporters are first-time voters.

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Response to DeminOR (Reply #60)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:16 AM

117. Not doing well???

 

When ONLY Bernie supporters seem to being affected, I would call that doing it 'pretty damn well' ... I wouldn't call it honest, or smart, or democratic, but they do seem to be accurately achieving their goals.


Mistakes do not always only flow one way ... when they do, they are no longer considered "mistakes".

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Response to still_one (Reply #47)

Sun May 15, 2016, 09:11 AM

81. First of all Iowa has a Republican Governor

so how would that work? Most likely errors...but desperate BSSer's want a conspiracy.

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Response to still_one (Reply #47)

Sun May 15, 2016, 09:28 AM

90. Really, they have nothing to lose, how about millions of votes?

 

The primaries have been absolutely stinking rotten. Ok, a few mishaps here or there, but when the patterns follow state to state and the exit polling is so "off", there is absolutely no doubt in my mind election theft is happening.. Now Baltimore won't certify their results because its so damned shady. More votes tabulated than people checking into vote? Really? The Chicago Board audit showing different results in hand count to computer tabulation count, and then just changing the hand count numbers to match the computers... The hand count audit should be showing them that the vote on the machine wasn't proper, and they should at the very least, do more sample ballot hand counts OR even hand count entire districts where their audit is showing drastically different numbers than the computer tabulation did.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:58 AM

51. This is not right, and I want to know more about this.

 

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #51)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:59 AM

52. I agree, and the only way that will be done is through an investigation

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 05:46 AM

67. Hillary is cheating!

 

Any candidate that had over a 500 super delegate lead before the first vote was cast in Iowa
is cheating.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 07:00 AM

68. Clinton campaign motto: I, and my surrogates, have and will continue to LIE, CHEAT and STEAL. nt

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 07:38 AM

71. Each of them should bring a lawsuit

It is up to us to call for reform and justice. Keep Calm and Do the Next Right Thing. This is our movement, our Democracy, our power. Been sleeping for too long.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 08:56 AM

75. They're becoming absolutely shameless.

 

I reiterate (and surely risk getting tombstoned): when the system becomes so corrupt that the people can't trust it to address their concerns, the people rise.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 08:58 AM

76. It isn't even like this is happening in just one state

This entire primary is crooked.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 09:02 AM

77. Hi11ary

will NEVER get my vote. I am not the only one who feels this way.

#NotMeUs

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 09:04 AM

78. These Tactics Are The Reason Many Will Never Vote For HRC

eom

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 09:06 AM

79. Here is the Reason for why one Bernie delegate did not get the credentials--She changed her

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Response to riversedge (Reply #79)

Sun May 15, 2016, 10:03 AM

98. + 1

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Response to riversedge (Reply #79)

Sun May 15, 2016, 01:00 PM

159. Ah, well this proves there are no problems! Right?

This message brought to you by the same people who argue that one incidence of welfare fraud proves that it's nothing but a gravy train for government moochers; that a single fabricated study is the reason you can't trust scientists; that a report of one activist making false claims proves that the entire BLM movement is a scam predicated on a lie... do you need me to go on?

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 09:08 AM

80. The Iowa governor

is a Republican. your post makes no sense...but hey last year I found out my party affiliation was GOP...here in Ohio it does not matter...but of course, I changed it! How did it happen? I don't have a clue..error maybe?

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #80)

Sun May 15, 2016, 09:18 AM

85. It's messed up that's for sure

 

You and I rarely see eye to eye but on this I think we can agree on.

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Response to pinebox (Reply #85)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:54 PM

187. I have been concerned with GOP attempts to screw with votig rights

When I move to Ohio I had to get a copy of my marriage certificate...as well as other crap to prove who I was ...they then tried to make me change my name on my taxes and social security...I had used my maiden name and they wanted me to use my given middle name...I refuse and threatened a lawsuit...Kasich changed it the next day...but I still had to become a hyphen...I was warned to sign my paperwork carefully or I would not get my license. My first time voting lying GOP poll worker told me I could not vote...because I had an out of state license (Wisconsin)...that was not true and I called Obama's voting group then and there...he backed down. And now we have only one polling place for my small city...two in one building with a small parking lot...this is punishment for going for Obama twice...the lines will be out the door in Ohio. It will be worse in Cleveland and Youngstown. We will do early and absentee as much as possible ...pass out water on election day and work to stop the evil Republicans. It is what I do every election.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #80)

Sun May 15, 2016, 01:39 PM

170. Are you operating under the illusion that the governor himself is the only one with access?

There's plenty of people who can go in and change records in the database. It's not like the governor himself enters every voter registration.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #170)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:48 PM

186. LIke who?

Only the secretary of state's office and she is a GOP ...no one is trying to screw Bernie.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #186)

Mon May 16, 2016, 01:50 AM

214. So now you think the SoS enters every form herself?

Believe it or not, these people have others working for them. And they are not all political appointees.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 09:14 AM

82. K&R...

Thank you CoffeeCat....for telling us your experience.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 09:20 AM

86. THIS is what enabled massive countrywide Voter-Affiliation-Switching and what happened to you:

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Response to Kip Humphrey (Reply #86)

Sun May 15, 2016, 09:32 AM

92. You 'explain' nothing but a conspiracy theory with no evidence.

Are you saying that Clinton is personally controlling every state's software services?

Stop looking for heroes. BE one.

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Response to Kip Humphrey (Reply #86)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:31 AM

275. Please make this an OP. This is important information.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 09:26 AM

89. Damn. I am sorry that this is happening

it is a violation. Funny thing is that they probably already understand how much this is going to hurt down ticket Democrats, but they feel that its worth it to nominate a corrupt and unethical candidate under FBI investigation. I think its time to stop trying to fight back the Brock trolls and let this play out on its own. The Democratic party is already dead, the head zombie Debbie animates the final movements before the coming calamity. I look forward to the organization that will replace the Democratic party. R.I.P.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 09:49 AM

94. Funny how these "oopsies" only happen to Bernie delegates

and not Hillary ones, right? Makes one wonder if they really believe Her Majesty is "inevitable" like her press releases claim.

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Response to WolverineDG (Reply #94)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:21 AM

118. Exactly

 

one can rationalize a million reasons why someone's registration might have problems, and every single one of them might even be totally valid and logical reasons ... but when the 'mistakes' always only benefit one candidate then all the 'rationalizations' in the world does not change the fact that the 'mistakes' are not random, they are being purposely targeted to benefit one person.

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Response to WolverineDG (Reply #94)

Sun May 15, 2016, 01:01 PM

160. No, it didn't only happen to Bernie delegates.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #160)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:03 AM

249. the score is 60-0

How many Clinton delegates were excused again?

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 10:06 AM

99. ....Democracy is dying and Hillary supporters want it dead.

Oh? Is that too hurtful? Well it's the fucking truth.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 10:08 AM

100. Maryland just decertified their primary results, they found cheating as in

 

too many votes cast, for people who came and signed into the precincts to vote. The electronic total was way over the amount of ballots they had!

Nothing in the news today.....

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Response to ViseGrip (Reply #100)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:41 AM

132. Makes you not believe in those "3 million vote margins" certain people keep bragging about.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 10:14 AM

103. Sharon

Thank you for your tears. More people need to be crying and or upset over a political machine that is stripping the American people of their right to have a say in how their government is run. It is not acceptable that the Democratic Party has become so intent on maintaining the status quo that are willing to do anything to achieve that end.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 10:17 AM

105. I am sorry this happened to you

and furious at the control freaks that are doing this. This is not democracy.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 10:19 AM

106. If the Hillary campaign has to win like this - as in NY - she will never be the legitimate candidate

Even if she survives the FBI report. She's all about winning at any cost, even fraud and indictment.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #106)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 06:24 PM

351. These 'delegates' had not registered as Democrats. They did it too themselves. Stop blaming

Hillary of their own misplaced priorities of not registering. You sound like Sanders-always blaming someone else.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 10:41 AM

109. Simple question, who holds these lists?

Are the lists in possession of the Hillary camp, Hillary's own lists, or are they from the state?

Is it possible there is shenanagains going on in the state or county Board of Elections?

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:09 AM

113. Check your email. Seriously.

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports


According to the above, numerous attempts were made to verify the accuracy of party affiliation. Is it true?

"...they did not respond to requests from the party..."

If true, there would be a lot of people pointing this out and complaining about it. So far there's you.

Stop looking for heroes. BE one.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:11 AM

115. That is amazing. Horror.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:15 AM

116. K&R for visibility! nt

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:21 AM

119. Beyond the pale

doesn't begin to describe this 'election'. Just like every other democratic election interfered with by Kissinger&Co we are taking our turn at their well practiced hand. I am so angry I can barely type.

CoffeeCat thank you for sharing your story.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:24 AM

120. K&R for visibility (nt)

 

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:30 AM

124. That's awful CC...

...I've read a few posts here of people's registrations being switched this year. If it happens that much in this small sample, how much more out in the entire country?

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:31 AM

125. Anyone can fill out a registration form & switch people. Its time our Voter regs have NO PARTY.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:34 AM

126. Have you contacted any media people about this? That is,

if there are any with integrity that you actually trust.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:41 AM

130. Just like Wall Street, the political game is rigged. you cite a perfect example.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:41 AM

133. This election was rigged for Hillary top to bottom

 

I see no reason why anyone would recognize the results as valid.

Elections are only legitimate when they are free and fair. Sham elections aren't good enough.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:56 AM

142. I hope you and others who have been subverted will pursue justice.

This stuff is unacceptable. Someone needs to be held accountable or I'm gone from the Party after the convention (44 years after registering as a Dem)! How sad is that?

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 12:06 PM

143. This is why voting doesn't work. It's controlled by the PTB. nt

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 12:08 PM

144. How fucking horrible can this get?

Kicking for recognition and TRUTH to POWER! Obviously, the power is who not only counts the votes, but who manipulates the electorate!

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 12:16 PM

145. Follow the rules. That simple. * were able to give the info needed, and seated. 58 were not able to

 

give info needed. The were even asked ahead of time to provide the info.

Follow the rules.

There were a small amount of Clinton delegates that did not meet the requirements either.

Don't follow the rules, do not expect special treatment. You do not see Clinton people up in arms, creating chaos and causing a stink, when it was that groups fault for not following the rules.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #145)

Sun May 15, 2016, 12:47 PM

156. what info were they required to give because I haven't seen it. If it comes out that

they were registered dems that were flipped then it is a rigging.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #156)

Sun May 15, 2016, 12:52 PM

157. Some weren't registered Democrats. Most didn't have the info needed and were required to have.

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #157)

Sun May 15, 2016, 01:04 PM

162. That makes no sense. DOB is on a license so is address and how do you know some

were not registered as Dems...could the registrations have been manipulated. I want answers not just repeats.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #162)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:05 PM

178. Cheated you, .... they cheated you. Bad Clinton. Ya, I get it. Sanders and people have done thru

 

out the primary.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #145)

Sun May 15, 2016, 01:41 PM

171. Yes, just like the two posters upthread followed the rules

and suddenly found their registration changed without their knowledge.

Just follow the rules. Nothing to see here. Follow the rules. Don't rock the boat.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #171)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:06 PM

179. Hands down on the investigation, it is people that refused or too ignorant to follow the rules.

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #179)

Mon May 16, 2016, 01:52 AM

215. Again, what part of "registration changed without my knowledge" is in the rules?

Please be specific, as the two posters above were.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #215)

Mon May 16, 2016, 10:06 PM

236. There was nothing changed without poster's knowledge.

She registered as a Republican years ago and remained a registered Republican. Apparently she made an attempt to change it to Democratic which wasn't successful.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #236)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:08 AM

250. Also became a delegate in the Nevada Democratic Caucus.

And no one caught this and fixed it? OK, sure thing, if you say so.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 12:25 PM

147. K

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 12:32 PM

149. And I bet all the Hillary supporters are fine with all of this.

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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #149)

Mon May 16, 2016, 01:04 AM

212. Stop making assumptions

There are Clinton supporters who statuses were changed as well. It's happening in CA. Every time there has been an inconsistency, a Republican was behind it. The purge in NY: Republican. AZ: Republican. We are not fine with it. But also remember, Trump supporters have been voting for Sanders as well. That is what happened in WV.

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Response to Friendlyfire2016 (Reply #212)

Thu May 19, 2016, 12:53 PM

282. You mean this NY Republican?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-city-eyesore-sells-for-millions-1409934333

"Mike Sieger, a broker at Fenwick Keats Real Estate who handled the sale, said Ms. Rudiano sold the property in a private transaction without listing it after he approached her with a recent offer."

...

"The buyer of the property was an investment group, Holliswood 76 LLC, headed by Dana Lowey Luttway, a developer and daughter of U.S. Rep. Nita Lowey (D, N.Y.)."

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 12:36 PM

151. Well that explains that.

I am surprised that the entire group of Bernie supporters have not all be turned to registered Republicans. This has happened often enough that it is already more than suspicious so why not just go all the way?

California, look out. Oregon and Kentucky we will be watching.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 12:43 PM

154. Okay, now that we agree that the fix is in and the primaries, like dead fish, stink from the head

down, surrendering the Democratic Party is most likely the worst possible way to remedy anything. Those people who have a real commitment to our policies should emulate the right wing and start from the bottom up.

Long before the Tea Party was created by the 1% conservatives at all levels were winning local elections on school boards, county commissions and state representatives. When the PTB wanted a movement to oppose ACA and just about anything else the President proposed taking over the nascent Conservative movement was child's play.

Well, that is what the real Democratic members have to do (though without the support of the PTB). It won't be easy, and most of us won't really take part but there never were a huge number of people in the pre-Tea Party days, just enough in positions of influence to make a difference. If we can knock a couple of Congress-critters out of the box in 2018 the real Democratic Party can have a telling role to play in 2020.

The right wing was serious, if misled. They put the time and effort needed into putting their ideas into action. The fact that they are wrong didn't make much difference to the average voter but their actions were not aimed at them in the first place. How many people really care that men and dinosaurs shared the earth at the same time? Could that have any effect on those people who generally believe evolution (and science as a whole) is bogus?

We have to imitate their success, or accept endless defeat at the hands of the Quizling Democrats.

And remember: time is running out. The water is rising, even for the buffoons who don't accept any science not found in the pages of their scriptures.

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Response to mikehiggins (Reply #154)

Sun May 15, 2016, 01:23 PM

167. we can't wait a generation

Something has to begin now. While the offenses are right in our faces.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 01:06 PM

163. This is being done by Republicans to get us fighting amongst ourselves and to provide cover

For When they pull out all the stops on stealing and as usual dems are falling right in line

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Response to Ohioblue22 (Reply #163)

Sun May 15, 2016, 05:58 PM

197. If that were true...

The HRC campaign and the DNC would be not only outraged about what is happening almost exclusively to Bernie supporters, but they would actively be working to fix things, filing lawsuits, screaming to the media, etc. But they're not. They're sitting on their sanctimonious, corrupt establishment asses having a good old yuck about how naive Bernie's supporters are to the way things work.

This is not the work of Republicans, and you are hurting the Democratic Party with your willingness to look the other way or seek to blame others for the anti-democratic right of center joke of a party that the Democrats have become. The difference between you and me is I'm willing to see it, point it out, and try to do something about it.

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Response to CTPatriot (Reply #197)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:01 AM

265. Clinton filed suit

in Arizona.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 01:07 PM

164. This is now a pattern

 

Not a nice pattern. This has the feeling of a Dedazo, gringo style

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 01:20 PM

166. The (Un) Democratic Process for Selecting the Democratic Nominee.

 

The process for Nevada Democratic voters is 4 step:

1.) Caucus : Precinct voters send delegates to county conventions.
2.) County Convention: Delegates vote to send a subset of delegates to state convention.
3.) State Convention: Delegates vote to send another subset to the national convention.
4.) National Convention: Where pledged delegates are added to the super-delegates, who don't really vote until the convention.

At each stage delegates can fail to show up, fail to follow the rules, or just change their minds about what candidate they support. Officials in the process can manipulate the rules, through selective enforcement, dissemination of misinformation about the process, etc.

At the Nevada County conventions in April, Sander's delegates overturned the February caucus results, (mostly because Clinton delegates failed to show up). Clinton voters felt that they were cheated. Yesterday at the state level, 58 delegates from Sanders side were disallowed because they were allegedly not registered as Democrats. But that sounds suspicious. Who changed the voter registrations for the 58 delegates? Did they change their own registrations? If so, why? If not, then, I suppose, the level of wrong-doing might involve criminal charges.

There are lots of allegations of cheating floating around. Whenever one side is accused of cheating, the other side begins to feel that a bit of counter-cheating is morally defensible.

The entire process for selecting a nominee is overly complicated. With each complication the opportunity and motivation for cheating increases. It should be simplified and made more democratic. The very first step toward that, in my opinion, would be that at the national level, super-delegates should NOT exist.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 02:01 PM

173. You were a registered Democrat on February 20th though

that was the day of the Nevada Caucus.

you participated didn't you?

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #173)

Sun May 15, 2016, 02:03 PM

174. CoffeeCat is from Iowa...

...they're saying their registration was changed between the Iowa caucuses and the state convention so there's no reason to doubt any foolishness in NV.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #173)

Sun May 15, 2016, 02:48 PM

176. I was a registered Dem in Feb 1, our Iowa Caucus

and also, I had to have been a registered Dem, at our County Convention, which was March 10.

At the County Convention, the Hillary people challenged the credentials of every Bernie delegate there. There were more than 500 Bernie delegates and we all had to have our credentials verified/checked in order to be counted. The process took a couple of hours at least. Bernie was ahead at the Polk County Convention, at the first count. Hillary had originally win this county, so as you can imagine, there was a great deal of consternation in Hillary's side.

It's likely that if Bernie had remained in the lead that the entire state of Iowa may have flipped for Bernie. They checked each of us individually. I'm assuming they checked party affiliation. But I can't say for certain. They were looking for any reason to disqualify any Bernie delegate. (All Bernie delegates checked out as valid, by the way. All credentials were in order).

Because the Hillary people checked my credentials, I'm assuming that I was a registered Dem on March 10, as well.

So, the registration had to have been switched sometime between March 10 and around April 29--when I was informed by the Sanders staffer that I was a registered Republican.

And I have not been to the Department of Motor vehicles during the past year.

I am going to go down to the voter registration office (where I switched back from R to D recently) and see if I can find out more information about timing and why and how this could have happened.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #176)

Sun May 15, 2016, 05:47 PM

196. How do you know it was Hillary who switched your registration to Republican and not Donald?



I tried to get all blamey and conspiracy theory-ee jacked up when I could not find myself in the California database. I called the Registrars office all upset -- ready for some big Yuuuuge conspiracy. Then the nice lady verified the last four digits of my driver's license, and I had input it wrong and realized that I had somehow gotten the last digit of my Social Security in there without having my DL in front of me. I've had that DL memorized forever but still mixed it up for some reason. That's it.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #196)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:16 AM

251. Oh,

It was Hillary personally that did this now?

OK, sure thing, whatever you say.

BTW if you think Hillary Clinton did all this alone (Campaign and all) you need to check with reality.

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #251)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:22 AM

253. You clearly haven't read other posts/threads from this OP. n/t

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #253)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:38 AM

257. I have, but decided to reply to you.

Will you answer the question.

Did Hillary work alone, or was the Clinton campaign involved?

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #257)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:40 AM

258. What about Donald?

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #258)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:55 AM

261. I asked about SoS Clinton, and her campaign.

Do you have the decency to answer or just more dodging the question.

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #261)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:57 AM

262. lol, you aren't asking a question.

Get real.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #262)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:59 AM

263. Do you have the decency to answer or just more dodging the question.

Did Hillary Clinton act alone or does she have a campaign working with her.

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #263)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:00 AM

264. What about Donald?

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #264)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:02 AM

266. Donald is not a Democrat.

Do you have the decency to answer or just more dodging the question.

Did Hillary Clinton act alone or does she have a campaign working with her.

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #266)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:05 AM

268. You aren't asking a question.

Get real.

And you clearly haven't read other OP's/threads from this poster.

This is a stupid waste of time and stupid to kick this thread anymore. She already retracted this with another story, but you obviously missed that.

Clueless. Bless you.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #268)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:11 AM

269. So, Hillary Clinton has a campaign working for her.

So it is possible someone working for her campaign could have accessed the registration records and changed some Democrats voter registrations from Democrat to "other."

In other words Hillary Clinton does not act alone and if you think Donald Trump is the only other one changing registrations or has the ability to, you need to check back in with reality.

There I answered for you.

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #269)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:20 AM

271. Thanks for confirming you weren't asking a question and were obviously just playing

games. Obviously. And you are obviously trying to perpetuate that only Democrats could possibly be to blame and not Republicans, even though this poster admitted she had previously registered as a Republican in a subsequent thread.

Your whole game here is clueless about what else she has posted and an obvious and desperate attempt to smear Clinton.

Neither you nor the OP have considered that Republicans might be responsible for her dilemma, even though she admitted to registering as a Republican. Only Democrats can be responsible. How phony, and how phony for you to drag out an obvious sarcastic comment. Clueless.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #271)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:27 AM

272. Another strawman to break down.

OK, clueless sure... only republicans cheat, sure... So when CoffeeCat re-registered at the Iowa caucus, in person no less, a republican "lost" the registration... okay... sure thing... if you say so...

When did republicans start running the Democratic Caucus in Iowa? Was it the same republicans that "lost" her registration. Oh wait her husbands too.

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #272)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:28 AM

273. LMAO at your desperation. You OBVIOUSLY have not read what else this poster

has written.

OBVIOUSLY.

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #274)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:32 AM

276. LMAO! are you having fun?

you seem like you are really into this.

At least now you have fully confirmed that your question to me wasn't serious. WINK.

EDIT: The self-deleted post said this, "Are you a paid poster or a Trump supporter?" lol, he just deleted it.

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #277)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:56 AM

278. lol, nice punt. Don't worry. It's obvious you were just getting around to insult me and

smear Clinton with yet another ludicrous conspiracy theory. Sorry I spoiled your fun. No need to bring SidDithers into this.

Ciao.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #278)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:49 AM

287. Yeah, no. I was not going to insult you.

Only a certain minority on this discussion board uses insults because that all they have.

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #287)

Sun May 22, 2016, 09:05 AM

289. Oh, please! Insulting me was all your intention was. That and spreading another assinine

conspiracy theory.

Look at you 4 frikken days later carrying this on for no frikken reason than to try and make it personal. Go badger someone else, Good Lord. This was over DAYS ago. DAYS now. Holy crap. And OBVIOUSLY, I can't say too much more about this person's story or I 'll get a post hidden.

And you OBVIOUSLY haven't read all this OP said or you would see how completely ludicrous the conspiracy theory is. She voted in the caucus. I'll let you figure out the rest to see how stupid your conclusions are. LMAO!

And OMG, kicking this thread DAYS later makes it obvious that the Berners are running out of people to kick as people are leaving this forum, so you have to go back days now to kick old threads to get your hate on. SICK!

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #289)

Sun May 22, 2016, 12:07 PM

290. Sorry I have a life outside this forum.

I also could not let you tear me down like you are right now. And all you want to do is attack; that is all Hillary supporters do is attack, attack, attack; so if you continue this assault you just prove my point.

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #290)

Sun May 22, 2016, 12:27 PM

291. Laughable. You are doing nothing but tearing others down here. You've glommed on to

me for some stupid reason, which you are clinging to for DAYS now. We last posted that FIVE DAYS AGO. You've added NOTHING but personal insults. You're so desperate to kick Hillary supporters, you have to go back DAYS to do it. Good Lord.

The posts are numbered, so it's obvious who is the instigator here.

Look how you've done nothing but make this personal. Desperate.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #291)

Sun May 22, 2016, 12:33 PM

292. As I said I have a life outside this forum.

Maybe you should consider taking a walk outside... get some fresh air and do some phone banking when you get back. Help the Dem party instead of being so aggressive.

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #292)

Sun May 22, 2016, 12:37 PM

293. LOL, you are the desperate one who kicked this post after FIVE DAYS.

You should be taking your own advice. Yes, go do something else besides kicking posts from FIVE DAYS AGO just to add some petty, inconsequential insults.

Jury: I am only responding to this poster's insults and did not tell him to go somewhere else except in response to him kicking an old thread to add more useless insults.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #293)

Sun May 22, 2016, 12:42 PM

294. Always with the last word?

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #294)

Sun May 22, 2016, 12:44 PM

295. Yet YOU kicked this post after FIVE DAYS.

Just out of pettiness. The posts are numbered, so it's obvious who the instigator is.



Now you should take your own advice and go do something like phone bank and stuff like that.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #295)

Sun May 22, 2016, 12:47 PM

296. Thanks for keeping this post on top.



Do you need the last word again?

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #296)

Sun May 22, 2016, 12:50 PM

297. Keeping your pettiness kicked is important to you.

That is very obvious.

The posts are numbered, so it's obvious who the instigator is. You are not very good at disguising your obvious dishonest intentions.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #297)

Sun May 22, 2016, 12:53 PM

298. Woo 'nother kick.

You just have to have that last word?


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Response to Matt_R (Reply #298)

Sun May 22, 2016, 12:54 PM

299. Yet you kicked this thread from FIVE DAYS AGO.

You've added nothing but pettiness and insults.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #299)

Sun May 22, 2016, 01:25 PM

300. Always needing the last word.

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #300)

Sun May 22, 2016, 01:29 PM

301. Wow, you've devoted about 20 of your only 160 posts since you joined in 2009

just to me. This is really important to you.

Amazing.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #301)

Sun May 22, 2016, 01:36 PM

302. Always needing the last word, craving it even.

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #302)

Sun May 22, 2016, 01:40 PM

303. The posts are numbered. And time stamped even.

So it shows I had you pegged DAYS ago as not being serious.

Wow,, now up to 161 posts, and I'm the target of about 20 of those. Amazing!

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #303)

Sun May 22, 2016, 01:47 PM

304. OK...

You have not answered the question since the beginning. Is SoS Clinton acting alone or is there a campaign working to get her into office?

Still dodging the question, but still wanting the last word. Curious why that is, I have not said insulting things, only that Hillary supporters are always on the attack, and that is all you have attack, attack, attack. Won't answer the simple question, and now bringing up a post count as if relevant.You want to play the victim card from the start, I saw that but ignored it, and have ignored it for 20+ posts.

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #304)

Sun May 22, 2016, 01:52 PM

306. OFFS, you have OBVIOUSLY not even read what this OP said. DAYS ago this was over.

It was already answered DAYS ago. DAYS ago. You are just playing more games. I saw you were not serious with your questions and you OBVIOUSLY had not read what the OP had said. She already voted/participated in her caucus. Think about it.

It's obvious by the numbered and time stamped posts that it was really you who is obsessed with insulting Clinton supporters. This is a good example of how desperate people are to kick other Clinton supporters by kicking old threads just to keep petty shit going. You have back days now to kick old posts just to dump on people for no reason.




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Response to R B Garr (Reply #306)

Sun May 22, 2016, 01:55 PM

307. Thread Necromancer!!!

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #307)

Sun May 22, 2016, 01:58 PM

308. Desperation. This is a good example for others to see how far back people will go to

continue complete nonsense just out of spite that Hillary is winning.

Thanks for your total devotion. How flattering that out of 164 posts in 7 years -- 20-something are devoted to me! Amazing.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #308)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:04 PM

309. So, you don't want to answer the question.

This thread is 7 days old. It started after the Nevada State Convention. So you should get your lies straight if you proceed.

But for clarity sake I asked if Clinton acted alone, and you replied with the Trump card. That is all Clinton supporter have at this point the Trump card.

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #309)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:06 PM

310. I posted FIVE days ago. But, LMAO, at your desperation to call me a liar!

You've added nothing but insults. And you obviously didn't read my other responses to you, which obviously weren't necessary -- since you OBVIOUSLY weren't *really* asking a question.

Madam President. Keep it kicked!!

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #310)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:09 PM

311. Hey, I too have had old, done with threads kicked up to with nothing comments.

 

I wonder what is up with that.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #311)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:16 PM

312. Hello, haven't see you around these posts

Do you have anything to add. Will you answer the question?

I have all day, weeks, months, years. I am the Thread Necromancer. But I am real busy I may not respond for days, weeks even.

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #312)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:21 PM

317. Don't know what question is, was drawn to an old thread kicked. No, I won't bother.

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #311)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:19 PM

313. Hi sea! It really looks like desperation to keep the insults going out of spite

and revenge. I guess they're still hoping for some hidden posts, too, before the rules change. There really is absolutely no reason for some of these petty comments coming up after a week-old thread is pages back.

In fact I still feel bad I didn't answer Cha in an old thread when she made a nice comment to me because I took a few days break and thought the thread was too old to kick again to answer her. I was trying to be considerate that some discussions were past their news cycle, but I should have thanked her in that thread.

Oh, well. I guess kicking old threads are all they have to keep people looking here since so many have moved on, although this poster seems to be really thrilled for any attention at all....hmm.

Madam President is my focus now!

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #313)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:31 PM

322. You are probably right. That type of thinking just doesn't process well with me. Nt

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #322)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:35 PM

325. I know what you mean. What's weird is taking a few days break here and coming

back to see the new levels of vitriol and downright desperation. The conspiracy theories make me cringe at their silliness. There is no bottom to it. Can't say more because of alert police.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #325)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:41 PM

327. I really saw the acceptance of loss on Friday and the escalation then.

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #327)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:55 PM

330. Yes, I have noticed the escalation. And the non-stop spamming of old and/or

petty name calling.

The Nevada conspiracies, when we could see for ourselves how disruptive the whole thing was. A hotel tells them they can't provide security anymore, and they blame that on Hillary and a "rigged" system. wtf. It's not even worth the effort to respond, for the most part.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #310)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:20 PM

315. Oh, so you started the necromancy last Tuesday.

Because this thread started last Sunday after the Nevada State Caucus, hypocrite much?

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #315)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:21 PM

316. Madam President! Keep it kicked.

Pass it on!

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #316)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:26 PM

318. Still the last word.

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #318)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:27 PM

319. Madam President. Keep it kicked!

Madam President!

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #319)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:30 PM

320. Whats, the uhh, Clinton image you posted?

Some sort of "inside info" for the paid posters?

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #320)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:31 PM

321. Madam President! Keep it kicked!

Madam President!

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #321)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:35 PM

324. Only if Clinton steals the election...

Like she stole Nevada, twice.

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #324)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:36 PM

326. Madam President! Keep it kicked!

Madam President!

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #326)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:48 PM

328. No Chairs were thrown in NV...

The media exaggerated.

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #328)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:51 PM

329. Madam President! Get used to it.

Madam President!

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #329)

Sun May 22, 2016, 03:37 PM

331. No Chairs were thrown in NV...

The media exaggerated.

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #331)

Sun May 22, 2016, 03:41 PM

332. Madam President! Get used to it!

Madam President. Keep it kicked!

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #303)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:43 AM

333. Thread Necromancy to corerct the record.

The reason for the self deletes by myself, is so someone does not take my post out of context when an edit is made.

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #333)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:38 AM

334. Sunday, May 22 was when you left off the last time with this petty obsession.

It's pretty obvious what your "context" is.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #334)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 04:34 PM

335. May 22 huh, I guess you can't just let me have the last word.

It must be a compulsion to you, having to always reply, getting the last word in. Will you let this one go? I predict no.

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #335)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:04 PM

336. At least you admit your obsession. Although it's obvious from your first attack on May 17.

Five days later, you're at it again on May 22.

Then 11 days later, you're at it again on June 2.

It must be a compulsion to you.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #336)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:27 PM

337. I must have ESPN... I'm psychic...

do you still need the last word? will you let this one go?

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #337)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:36 PM

338. At least you admit your obsession. Thank you for devoting so many posts

to me since May 17th.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #338)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:38 PM

339. Neat another reply...

Be sure to get the last word. Don't let it go, Have a nice evening.

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #339)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:39 PM

340. You've been obsessed with this since May 17th.

Looks like you are speaking for yourself.

Since May 17, it looks like you've devoted about 10% of your posts just to me since you joined in 2009. Hmm.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #340)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:53 PM

341. oh, I've been around since 2003... why keep attacking me.

So I've been here, and will be here longer... I've probably been a Democrat and supported Democratic candidates longer.

So, let this one go. You didn't answer the question... let this one go.

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #341)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:55 PM

342. Thank you for your bizarre devotion since May 17.

You waited 11 days to kick this thread again, and for no reason.

You waited 5 days before that to kick this thread again, and for no reason.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #342)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:57 PM

343. Well I guess you can't let this go...

If you have to have the last word go ahead... for now... I'll check back in a few weeks and see if you have answered the question.

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #343)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:58 PM

344. Thank you for your devotion since May 17th. This might be one for the Admins if you can't

let this obsession go. Quit harassing me.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #344)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 06:04 PM

345. WOW just WOW... YOu keep replying to me...

And then tell me to go away WOW.

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #345)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 06:06 PM

346. Thanks for your devotion since May 17.

You then posted again on May 22 after 5 days and called me a liar for noting it.

You then kicked this thread again after 11 days on June 2.

Quit harassing me.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #346)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 06:09 PM

347. Thanks for posting minutes later...

You have such devotion to keep this going. I'm in awe of all the time you have spent talking to me.

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #347)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 06:11 PM

348. I am in awe that you would use 10% of your total posts since you joined in 2009 just on me.

That's true devotion. Wink.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #348)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 06:16 PM

349. I keep refreshing the page....

waiting for the my post button to light up showing a new reply. The excitement of what you will say next.


If you had been around in 2009 I may have spoken to you then as well... heck I would have signed up when I started reading articles in 2003... too bad you have only been here since Obama won reelection in 2012.

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #349)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 06:17 PM

350. I am in awe that I am important enough you would use 10% of your account to dedicate your time

just to me. Truly awesome.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #350)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 06:25 PM

352. Yep, someone is giving me attention by replying...

Every reply you make is reinforcing my behavior to reply to you.



have a good evening.

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #352)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 06:27 PM

353. This is really important to you. Clearly. You kicked this thread twice for no reason.

Your original post was May 17th.

Then you kicked it again for no reason on May 22 and called me a liar for noting it.

Then you kicked it again for no reason 11 days later on June 2.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #353)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 06:30 PM

354. Well its been a good one

Thanks for all the attention.

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #354)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 06:32 PM

355. This is clearly a very important goal for you. You seem to be really enjoying it.

Your original post was May 17.

Then you kicked the thread 5 days later on May 22 for no reason.

Then you kicked the thread again 11 days later on June 2 for no reason.

You seem to be having a lot of fun.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:04 PM

177. I am reminded that this website was created as a reaction to a stolen election

That so many here now condone election fraud and mock those of us speaking out against it is intolerable.

Solidarity.

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Response to me b zola (Reply #177)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:46 PM

191. This

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Response to me b zola (Reply #177)

Sun May 15, 2016, 11:58 PM

205. Ironic, eh?

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Response to Pastiche423 (Reply #205)

Mon May 16, 2016, 10:03 PM

235. Yup, very ironic

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:07 PM

180. This is sickening.

Can they be sued in court? Cheating *'ks.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 03:45 PM

184. Remember the hay made over the "DNC List Hack"?

 

Yeah, it wasn't to benefit Bernie Sanders. That was a prelude to the shit that came to pass in the Democratic primary.

Does anybody still wonder how it was that it was known which Dem voters to flip the registrations on?

I sure as hell haven't for quite some time now. Mole gets fired, Bernie gets embarrassed, but the H camp gets the goods on which folks will be Bernie voters.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 04:37 PM

190. Random errors, 100% in favor of one candidate

can't be random

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #190)

Sun May 15, 2016, 05:18 PM

193. Do you have evidence this is 100% in favor of one candidate?

I hear that claim, but haven't seen anything to back that up. We know, for example, that the registration problems in NY affected some Clinton supporters.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #193)

Sun May 15, 2016, 05:37 PM

194. No. Do you have evidence that Hillary delegates have had their registration switched

to REPUBLICAN? I'm referring to delegates.

If that has indeed been happening, it makes no sense that Hillary's delegates haven't complained or that it hasn't come to light. Seems to me they'd be highly motivated to point out that it has affected the delegates of both campaigns.

If no evidence that HRC delegates have not been similarly affected, will you be willing to admit that fraud has occurred on behalf of her campaign?

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 06:36 PM

198. Thanks for posting this!

I know this isn't over yet!

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 06:58 PM

200. CoffeeCat—It sounds like a conspiracy between Democratic Party At Large and Hillary Clinton Campaign

 

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 07:02 PM

201. Clinton campaign is hacking voter registrations.

 

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 12:48 AM

209. CoffeeCat—Do you fit any demographics carried by Bernie Sanders?

 

This would include:

• White (especially White Male)
• Age 17–29 or 30–44

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 12:57 AM

210. It's the Republicans are the ones who are purging

Before people start pointing fingers... The Republicans are the ones who are purging the voting and changing statuses. In AZ, the republicans closed offices. In Brooklyn the woman who purged the voters information is Republican. I am in CA and everyone is checking their status (Clintons supporters) so far 5 out 13 of my friends' statuses were changed. ITS THE REPUBLICANS.
The question should be: how many of the 64 could have been Trump supporters. Remember they are not bright. In WV, many of them voted for Sanders with NO intention of voting for him if he is nominee in the fall.

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Response to Friendlyfire2016 (Reply #210)

Tue May 17, 2016, 09:12 AM

240. Friendlyfire2016—Welcome to the site. I disagree with what you wrote.

 

Corruption is not achievable by one only major political party. Love the Democratic Party, in general, all you want—but they have revealed themselves here in 2016 as corrupt. (Nevada illuminates it.)

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Response to Friendlyfire2016 (Reply #210)

Thu May 19, 2016, 01:21 PM

283. This woman that purged Brooklyn voters?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-city-eyesore-sells-for-millions-1409934333

"Mike Sieger, a broker at Fenwick Keats Real Estate who handled the sale, said Ms. Rudiano sold the property in a private transaction without listing it after he approached her with a recent offer."

...

"The buyer of the property was an investment group, Holliswood 76 LLC, headed by Dana Lowey Luttway, a developer and daughter of U.S. Rep. Nita Lowey (D, N.Y.)."

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:56 AM

217. why lie?

page 14 of the state party rules:

Article X - Credentials Challenges
Section 1 - Initiation: Any Democrat may challenge any delegate or alternate certified to any convention by notifying the County, District, or State Chair in writing at least ten (10) days before the date of the Convention. At the same time a copy of the challenge shall be sent by the challenger to the delegate or alternate who is challenged.

http://iowademocrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Constitution-of-the-IDP-2014-8.4.2014.pdf

also district conventions were held in April, not May. this one smelled from the get-go. and i AM A BERNIE SANDERS DELEGATE IN IOWA. i also know for sure what this was when i first read it. Seriously, there is enough shit to worry about without just trusting some fake story.

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Response to marytnurse (Reply #217)

Mon May 16, 2016, 05:37 PM

222. I'm not sure what you are alleging that I lied about

but you are being very unkind.

I am not lying. This is my first year being a delegate and I am learning. However, this is not a fake story.

And yes, the District Convention was held on Apr 30. When I wrote this, I just counted back two weeks. I didn't remember the exact day, so I guessed around May 1.

I'm hurt that a fellow Bernie delegate from Iowa would accuse me of making this up from whole cloth. That's unfortunate.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #222)

Mon May 16, 2016, 05:57 PM

223. because it's not possible N/T

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Response to marytnurse (Reply #223)

Mon May 16, 2016, 06:16 PM

224. What's not possible, Mary?

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 05:05 PM

219. Frame

The Republicans have been at this all along. They want to run against Hillary because they have been spending 30 years sowing the seeds of her defeat. The Radical Right Wants to run against Clinton. They are ready for her. They have no idea how to run against Sanders. They are doing everything they can to make sure Sanders doesn't win.

They also needed a way to test drive the Right Wing Voter Suppression Machine. so In Arizona, it messes with all Democrats but there were polling people telling Sanders voters to 'go home unless you (they) were going to vote for a real candidate".

I am convinced this was to frame Clinton and split the Democratic Party. Same in the Bronx and everywhere else there has been trouble.

Finally, with Clinton being framed for voter suppression in the Democratic primaries, it will be easy for the Radical Right to claim she won the general election by fraud. It will be more believable because of all of this shit happening now. They will use this as a reason for armed revolt.




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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 06:23 PM

225. Cenk Uygur just read your post live on TYT show

 

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #225)

Mon May 16, 2016, 06:49 PM

229. I hope he read the update too

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511974138

I want to fully disclose all of the information, and I learned a lot today from calling the Polk County Auditor's Office.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #229)

Mon May 16, 2016, 07:05 PM

231. I don't think he saw the other one but he said there might be more info not included since it was

 

from just a web forum.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 06:24 PM

226. Cenk just read this post live, on air

on the young turks show. Not kidding!

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Response to One Black Sheep (Reply #226)

Tue May 17, 2016, 09:20 AM

243. Well, then maybe he should read un update.

Despite OP claiming she had no idea why she was a registered Republican, she was posting on DU in 2012 that she registered as a Republican.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 06:25 PM

227. Just heard Cenk read your post on TYT! (n/t)

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 08:58 PM

232. Kicked...

 

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Tue May 17, 2016, 12:43 AM

238. Kick for those suffering from Cognitive Dissonance...

 

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Tue May 17, 2016, 12:53 AM

239. K&R

 

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Tue May 17, 2016, 09:17 AM

241. You say you were shocked to find out you were a registered Republican

or did you mean you were shocked that you were STILL a registered Republican?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021456173

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #241)

Tue May 17, 2016, 09:47 AM

244. This entire debacle started

at the end of April--when I got a call that I was a registered Republican, and I had our District Convention coming up in a few days.

I was shocked that I was a Republican--because nearly a month earlier, on March 12, I had participated in our County Convention as a Bernie delegate and passed the credentials check that all Bernie delegates went through. It took nearly 2 hours to check all of our credentials one by one, as the Hillary supporters contested each Bernie delegate's credentials.

I was shocked that I was a Republican because I had re-registered as a Democrat the night of our Feb 1st Caucuses, in order to participate.

I didn't think that being a Republican before, had anything to do with this. As far as I was concerned, I had been a Democrat at the March 12th Convention and I had re-registered again as a Democrat on Feb 1st.

That is why I called the auditor's office. I posted the info I learned from the auditor immediately after getting off the phone. That they had no record of me switching back to D; and they also had no record of me registering as a Dem on Feb 1.

And yes, you are repeatedly posting the glaring error I made about when I said I switched from R back to D. You have posted at least 20 posts about this--starting threads. Replying on many different posts. I am doing my best to keep up with everything that you are posting about this situation.

I obviously made a huge error regarding when I switched my registration. But I know I switched it. I had to physically go down to the auditor's office downtown. Yesterday, after the auditor told me that my registration was never switched, I was completely blown away. I immediately told my husband this and I asked him if he remembered when I switched. He didn't, but I knew it was after an election. I thought it was after the Republican caucuses. I knew I wanted to get that switched back. I obviously did not do it then, and most likely did it around the timeframe after the GE.

I am shocked about all of this frankly! I apologize to everyone for getting the timeframe wrong. But my mistake does not negate the fact that I did switch my registration from R to D (and there's no record of that).

I also re-registered as a Democrat on Feb 1, the night of the caucuses--because I was not on the voter rolls, like half of the other registered Dems who showed up that night (and there's no record of that either).

I am embarrassed that I got the timeframe wrong and am doing my best to try to explain it. I understand that people don't believe me, and that is fine. It's a confusing story and I was wrong about when I switched back.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #244)

Tue May 17, 2016, 10:51 AM

245. Where was your registration card confirming you were a Democrat again?

You're how old and you don't pay attention to this?

And you want to be a convention delegate?

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #244)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:13 AM

270. Don't worry

They can still claim Hillary stole your Democratic registration changes.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Tue May 17, 2016, 09:20 AM

242. People reading this thread should read the OP's latest iteration of it:

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Tue May 17, 2016, 11:20 PM

247. Those 64 "delegates" were not registered Democrats, in fact some were not Nevada residents.

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Response to George II (Reply #247)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:19 AM

252. Stop telling the truth. It gets in the way of the sore losers meme.

Bernie is an anger merchant- no surprise his followers are a bunch of angry entitled whiners

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:32 AM

255. Get rid of the caucus in Nevada already

Maybe good for small towns in Iowa but just silly in major cities because of all the people left out, including independents, who work, or go to school and can't spend 3-4 hours just to vote. Then comes the county convention, and then the state convention. Ridiculous. Most people don't have time for that.

Caucuses are vote suppressing and antiquated.

Just get the vote count and delegate count done in one day with a primary — just like was done tonight in Oregon.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:43 AM

259. "Simply unbelievable."

Well now that you mention it . . .

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 08:38 PM - Star Member CoffeeCat (24,395 posts)

4. I will be doing this!

I have been a lifelong Democrat, and I am very progressive. I am going to switch
my registration to Republican, in order to caucus for Ron Paul.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=92913


I have to agree.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 03:03 AM

279. Thank You for participating in our democracy

And keep being active. My heart goes out to all of those that had thier registration switched for no reason. That really needs to be looked at.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 03:11 AM

280. 127K views!!! WOW!

 

I don't think I've ever seen so many views on one thread! Someone is watching! That is an amazing number of people tuning in.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Thu May 19, 2016, 01:26 PM

284. The fact that Sanders had equal representation on the Credentials Committee doesn't count...

...right?

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Thu May 19, 2016, 01:46 PM

285. You'll always lose me at "I'll bet."

When faced with a "maybe" and a strong desire to see something that supports a much loved belief, I can understand why conjecture might seem like truth. But it's not. I need proof.

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