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Sat May 14, 2016, 07:56 AM

 

I've been a Bernie guy all the way, but let's face it: for all intents and purposes Hillary

... has won the nomination.

Fair or not, she will be the Dem nominee, and no one ever said politics was a clean sport.

I've never been thrilled about Hillary, but there are a ton of reasons why she is preferable to Trump. Belief in climate change as being real, is a big one for me. So like it or not, that is our choice: Hillary versus Trump.

I for one, am now ready to rally behind Hillary and the Dems.

I'm not saying other states shouldn't finish their primaries or that Bernie should drop out. I just mean that I accept Hillary being the likely nominee and I will vote for her if she is the nominee. I don't freaking care about her email server at all.

My big point is that I actually see a historic opportunity for Dems to really take back control of the government, because Trump will turn out to be such a disaster as an GE candidate. Honestly, this is a HUGE opportunity. I know there are a lot of worries about Trump, but in the end, he is a horrible, toxic idiot, who I think will flameout, as people realize how unsuitable he is for the presidency.

So while I know, the vast majority of Dems will unify eventually, I hope it happens sooner rather than later, and we can concentrate on taking back our government from the horrible GOP psychopaths.

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Reply I've been a Bernie guy all the way, but let's face it: for all intents and purposes Hillary (Original post)
Fast Walker 52 May 2016 OP
Karma13612 May 2016 #1
Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #4
Karma13612 May 2016 #7
DLCWIdem May 2016 #61
Karma13612 May 2016 #71
bkkyosemite May 2016 #26
CrowCityDem May 2016 #31
Jackilope May 2016 #47
DLCWIdem May 2016 #64
bkkyosemite May 2016 #49
Hiraeth May 2016 #51
dubyadiprecession May 2016 #5
Karma13612 May 2016 #8
pandr32 May 2016 #40
Fawke Em May 2016 #55
Karma13612 May 2016 #72
Yavin4 May 2016 #58
redstateblues May 2016 #37
pandr32 May 2016 #42
Fawke Em May 2016 #56
Biaviians May 2016 #2
pengu May 2016 #3
Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #6
madokie May 2016 #11
pengu May 2016 #14
bkkyosemite May 2016 #29
Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #9
Trajan May 2016 #10
cantbeserious May 2016 #12
Armstead May 2016 #13
Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #33
Armstead May 2016 #43
kstewart33 May 2016 #44
TheKentuckian May 2016 #69
RiverLover May 2016 #15
bkkyosemite May 2016 #34
GreatGazoo May 2016 #16
Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #28
kstewart33 May 2016 #36
GreatGazoo May 2016 #66
Surya Gayatri May 2016 #17
Dem2 May 2016 #18
bkkyosemite May 2016 #39
Dem2 May 2016 #50
bigwillq May 2016 #19
TrueDemVA May 2016 #20
cyberpj May 2016 #21
Vote2016 May 2016 #22
Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #27
Vote2016 May 2016 #63
RoccoR5955 May 2016 #23
One of the 99 May 2016 #24
Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #25
immoderate May 2016 #41
bkkyosemite May 2016 #45
Hiraeth May 2016 #62
One of the 99 May 2016 #46
apnu May 2016 #32
kstewart33 May 2016 #30
corkhead May 2016 #35
djean111 May 2016 #38
brewens May 2016 #48
notadmblnd May 2016 #52
cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #53
ladyVet May 2016 #54
Perogie May 2016 #57
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Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #68
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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2016, 08:03 AM

1. Nope, not buying it.

We are in the home stretch and we still have some very real opportunities.

Let Hillary and Trump duke it out.

They are bringing out the worst in each other and making Bernie look like the only sane candidate in the whole race.

Sorry but Bernie really is the best candidate for America and the public is finally noticing.

If you really do prefer Bernie, and do agree that all the states should still vote, then why can't you still rally behind him until the convention?

We will still have plenty of time to blitz Trump before November.

Let's see Bernie thru this, please.

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Response to Karma13612 (Reply #1)

Sat May 14, 2016, 08:07 AM

4. I would prefer Bernie as the nominee but I don't know about "real opportunities"

 

for him to get the nomination.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #4)

Sat May 14, 2016, 08:13 AM

7. Every time I turn around I hear where

Bernie has won another few delegates from a past caucus or primary.

And, we have the huge state of California with so many delegates, it could tip the scales still.

Prematurely resigning to failure just ensures failure.

As I said, we will have PLENTY of time to rally around Hillary when the time comes.

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Response to Karma13612 (Reply #7)

Sat May 14, 2016, 12:38 PM

61. you do know where those delegates are coming from

Those delegates are coming from pledged delegatesThey are supposed to be the delegates from states already won. Essentially he is pulling off a Ted Cruz. So when you guys say that so casually and then complain about the " establishment" being against you... well fill in the blanks yourselves



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Response to DLCWIdem (Reply #61)

Sat May 14, 2016, 04:02 PM

71. I am well aware of the makeup of the delegates

What I don't understand is your reference to Ted Cruz.

Bernie and Hillary are a heck of a lot closer in delegates than Trump and Cruz were.

I have not clue about your further closing remark: "So when you guys say that so casually and then complain about the " establishment" being against you... well fill in the blanks yourselves"

I might not know all the dynamics of an election and the inner workings, but I am not delusional or stupid. Please spell out what you are trying to say. Fill in the blanks if you can for me.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #4)

Sat May 14, 2016, 10:40 AM

26. This election is being stolen. Don't know if that changes any minds.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #26)

Sat May 14, 2016, 10:42 AM

31. Yup. It's being stolen by those voters not voting for Bernie, lol

 

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #31)

Sat May 14, 2016, 11:02 AM

47. Yes, USA has great voting integrity. Ha!

Exit polling in NY indicated otherwise. Machines can be hacked. It is quite transparent DNC favored HRC and did every thing it could to help her. The antics in Mass. and AZ with difficulty in people voting is also a clue as to how our Democracy has fallen. It is totally clear who the establishment has chosen.


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Response to Jackilope (Reply #47)

Sat May 14, 2016, 12:41 PM

64. lol refer to post above being sanders is pulling a Ted Cruz

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #31)

Sat May 14, 2016, 11:12 AM

49. Laugh all you want. You supporters of Hillary do a lot of laughing and making fun of

Bernie supporters. The facts are there and if you continue to laugh at the facts then continue to be in your fantasy world...fine with me.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #4)

Sat May 14, 2016, 11:20 AM

51. If You would PREFER it, Then You Should Realize: it is NOT Over.

what a fair weather supporter you are. lukewarm crap. even the bible said something about this attitude:

King James Bible
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

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Response to Karma13612 (Reply #1)

Sat May 14, 2016, 08:08 AM

5. BS supporters are finally noticing he's losing this thing...

and hillary will not only get those 183 delegates she needs, she will also get about 200 more on top of that.

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Response to dubyadiprecession (Reply #5)

Sat May 14, 2016, 08:18 AM

8. Good for her. And no, I disagree

With the OP.

Although it's an uphill battle, Bernie is not quitting, nor am I.



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Response to dubyadiprecession (Reply #5)

Sat May 14, 2016, 10:47 AM

40. She only needs about a hundred and half at this point

The rest of the supers will throw in with her, too, at the convention. Even under relentless pressure from Bernie supporters, only one super has switched over, but from supporting Bernie to Hillary.
I think a couple of things are happening here: Bernie has got caught up in his campaign and is having a rough time admitting it is failing, and his campaign managers are still busy drawing hefty checks while telling supporters that a win is still possible.

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Response to pandr32 (Reply #40)

Sat May 14, 2016, 11:28 AM

55. She needs more tha 600 - nearly 700.

That "hundred and a half" is with Super Delegates who have not voted yet.

If, in the two months plus until the convention, Trump starts walloping Clinton in the polls (and it's starting to slide that way) and the FBI indicates it plans to recommend an indictment, the Super Delegates can and should change their minds.

That said, I've already made it know that I think Clinton and Trump are equally horrifying since I am NOT privileged enough to withstand her planned cuts on Social Security, her war hopes and her fracking dreams nor am I prepared to to vote for an egotistical buffoon who would deport my American-born, but half-Palestinian son, I've washed my hands of both of them.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #55)

Sat May 14, 2016, 04:09 PM

72. +100 eom

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Response to pandr32 (Reply #40)

Sat May 14, 2016, 12:02 PM

58. "his campaign managers are still busy drawing hefty checks while telling supporters that a win is..

still possible."

Yep. He's been pandering since day one.

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Response to Karma13612 (Reply #1)

Sat May 14, 2016, 10:46 AM

37. If Bernie was the best candidate he wouldn't be losing so badly

The people have spoken. Bernie is losing by 3,000,000 votes.

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #37)

Sat May 14, 2016, 10:47 AM

42. This!

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #37)

Sat May 14, 2016, 11:30 AM

56. Both of those assumptions are untrue.

He's had to battle rigged voting and a DNC so biased in the favor of his opponent that his "losing" is more planned by said DNC than because of voters; and, we don't really know the total raw vote to know what the count truly is. Most caucus states don't release the raw vote totals - only the delegate counts.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2016, 08:04 AM

2. She promotes fracking all all around the world.

Don't think she really cares about the planet. Just money.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2016, 08:07 AM

3. I don't trust her on climate change at all

She was pushing fracking worldwide while the locals were protesting it.

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Response to pengu (Reply #3)

Sat May 14, 2016, 08:09 AM

6. she at least realizes the science of climate change is real, that's important

 

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #6)

Sat May 14, 2016, 08:38 AM

11. Realizing and willing to do something about it are

two totally different animals.
I personally don't believe a word that comes out of her mouth, whether it be womens issues or trade or climate change.
I'll hang with Bernie until the end

I'll vote for hill if I must in the GE but only if I have too will I

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #6)

Sat May 14, 2016, 08:56 AM

14. That is woefully insufficient

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #6)

Sat May 14, 2016, 10:42 AM

29. She at least realizes she will do what her corporate friends want.

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Response to pengu (Reply #3)

Sat May 14, 2016, 08:25 AM

9. I trust her completely on any issue that matters much to Wall Street.

 

I trust her to do as she's told, that is...and we ain't doing the telling, that's for sure.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2016, 08:27 AM

10. The campaign is not over ...

 

The Democratic Convention is still in the future ...

This is just a simple roll over and give up .... Sorry, but no ...

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2016, 08:45 AM

12. Not Buying The FUD One Is Peddling

eom

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2016, 08:54 AM

13. Not mutually exclusive to fight Trump AND fight to make the election meaningful

 

Trump is an asshole and should not even be allowed to visit Washington DC. The GOP is -- as always -- a terrible political party who should be tamped down as much as possible.

And the Sun rises in the east and sets in the west.

Now that the truisms are out of the way, there is still the possibility of putting a candidate with great values and a great message, and proven leadership qualities. (See how he performed as a CEO in burlington.)

More important, regardless of who the Dem nominee is, there is still a possibility of having the election mean something larger -- and more vital -- than reality show personality politics, and red v. blue team sports.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511939175

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Response to Armstead (Reply #13)

Sat May 14, 2016, 10:44 AM

33. I agree and I love Bernie. But I want to see the GOP destroyed this cycle. They are fucking due.

 

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #33)

Sat May 14, 2016, 10:48 AM

43. I agree, but think we should remember that it is possible to walk and chew gum at this point

 

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #33)

Sat May 14, 2016, 10:48 AM

44. I think Bernie is bamboozling his millions of supporters, and I want the same thing.

Time for the GOP to walk the plank.

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Response to kstewart33 (Reply #44)

Sat May 14, 2016, 02:19 PM

69. Walk the plank? In what way? Gonna want to meet them in the middle of the plank and

the deep blue sea as per the usual?

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2016, 08:58 AM

15. Evil or crazy, our choices.

Either one won't effect me personally. I'm giving up on our govt & politics to save my sanity & quality of life. Getting pissed off isn't doing me a bit of good in my daily life.

Fast Walker, think of it this way. At some point a republican will be in the WH again. At this time, their nom is narcissistically insane but he's also stated emphatically from the beginning that social security shouldn't be cut or privatized. That's more than we can say for Hil. There are more examples, but you get the point.

My hope now lies in 2020 and maybe the Democrats will actually have a true honest primary with many true progressives to choose from. And it won't be fixed for one corrupt purchased politician. And the Democratic Party will stop being DINO and honor People & Planet.

That's my hope. If not, I'd love to be on the ground floor of a new viable truly progressive 3rd party.

Until then, wish you well...everyone, I send you love.

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Response to RiverLover (Reply #15)

Sat May 14, 2016, 10:44 AM

34. Have to get rid of machines for 2020 to be a honest election and corporate shills out of

the way.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2016, 09:01 AM

16. One of the problems for a Hillary candidacy is the backlash

There are millions of Americans who would crawl over hot broken glass to vote against her. Her own minions have said so, said it has already happened in open primaries.

Why would the GE be any different?

Why risk 1994 all over again?

Forty years of Democratic dominance in the U.S. Congress came to a stunning end on November 8, when the Republican Party rode a tidal wave of anti-incumbent sentiment to victory in the midterm elections. The Republicans took control of both houses of Congress for the first time since 1954 as voters delivered a strong rejection of Pres. Bill Clinton and his policies. The Republicans picked up a net gain of 53 seats in the House of Representatives and 7 in the Senate. The last time such carnage had been seen in Congress was in 1958, when Republicans lost 48 House and 13 Senate seats. Moreover, the Republicans won a majority of congressional seats from the South for the first time since the Civil War...


http://www.britannica.com/topic/1994-midterm-Elections-616578

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Response to GreatGazoo (Reply #16)

Sat May 14, 2016, 10:42 AM

28. this may be true, but thankfully on the other side is Trump.

 

He's just NOT a serious candidate. I don't think it's sunk in how bad he is for most people.

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Response to GreatGazoo (Reply #16)

Sat May 14, 2016, 10:45 AM

36. Geez, that's a bit overstated, don't you think?

I haven't met one of those millions who would slash themselves with hot broken glass to vote against Clinton.

Imagine the hospital bills!

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Response to kstewart33 (Reply #36)

Sat May 14, 2016, 01:07 PM

66. okay...Room temperature broken glass

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2016, 09:17 AM

17. K & R for visibility. Thanks for posting.

 

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2016, 09:21 AM

18. I agree, but there's plenty of time to unify

I'm sure there's a majority of posts above telling you where you can go with this idea, it's part of the process. If these people choose to go another path, they were never for the principals of the Democratic party anyway - just internet agitators.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #18)

Sat May 14, 2016, 10:46 AM

39. The Dem Party has been doing things this year they should not be proud of.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #39)

Sat May 14, 2016, 11:17 AM

50. Says internet person every cycle

There are winners and losers. What else is there to say?

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2016, 09:29 AM

19. Trump may turn out to be a disaster, but there's a lot of anti-DEM sentiment this year

 

I think it'll be a close election all the way around.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2016, 09:35 AM

20. Rolling over and giving up?

How can anyone unite around a moderate republican? Now before Hillary supporters freak out, instead of saying moderate republican, maybe, someone who claims to be a democrat even though she sides with republicans on issues regarding war, fracking, minimum wage, free trade, regime change/business opportunities, LGBT rights for a majority of her life, as so on.

Yeah, that whole, let's lay down now so we can have the opportunity to hold our nose and vote is really not appealing anymore. I think people are waking up and party unity is only a concern for the DNC and Hillary, b/c they are seeing that people are sick and tired of their garbage.

I will unite with the party when it comes back to supporting core democratic values.

Will never vote for Hillary. Will write in a name if necessary.

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Sat May 14, 2016, 09:45 AM

22. A candidacy ends on election day. A movement doesn't. Whether Sanders wins the nomination or not,

 

the movement goes forward. Whether Sanders (or Hillary or Trump) wins the general election, the movement goes on.

Call it occupy the DNC.

This is an ongoing effort to pull both the Democratic Party and the country back to FDR's values.

If Sanders isn't the nominee, we fight for progressive candidates across the nation from the top of the ballot to the bottom, we fight to pull Hillary back from her worst third way neoliberal instincts, we fight to get the stench of lobbyist money and influence out of the DNC.

If Sanders is the nominee, we still fight for progressive candidates across the nation from the top of the ballot to the bottom right up to election day and then starting again the next day after the election, we continue campaigning from day one after the inauguration to build and solidify consensus on progressove goals and to achieve or expand majorites in Congress (every day is campaign season), we fight to pull those senators and representatives from both parties who oppose progress back from their reactionary instincts by campaining directly to their constituencies and focusing on progressive goals the majorities of voters in both parties support, we fight to get the corrupting influence of Citizens United money and lobbyists out of the process.

If Hillary is the nominee (and of course she's the favorite), the movement doesn't stop. Some (probably most) may think joining the Hillary campaign is the best way to keep her honest on what she has promised progressives during the campaign. Some (probably many in non-battleground states) may think writing in for Sanders is the best way to show that there is a constituency on the left that will hold out for an advocate of our values and will not fall in line behind a neoliberal, and some may conclude that the best way to show the DNC that it must pander to the left with the same sickening gusto it shows when pandering to the right is to grow the Green Party by voting for Jill Stein. No matter what path we choose at the top of the ticket, we will fight for progressive candates everywhere and in every race on the ballot.

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Response to Vote2016 (Reply #22)

Sat May 14, 2016, 10:40 AM

27. I agree. It's also important to realize what a joke Trump is, and how vulnerable the GOP is

 

No matter who wins the nomination, I want to make sure they have a Dem congress to work with.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #27)

Sat May 14, 2016, 12:41 PM

63. It's only critically important for voters in Ohio and Florida to realize Trump is a joke

 

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2016, 09:49 AM

23. Nope.

 

It ain't over till it's over.
Onward to the convention!

I am convinced that Clinton is just another member of the status quo, who will continue the coup d'etat being carried on against WE THE PEOPLE, by them, the corporations. Then again, so is Drumpf.

I cannot stand behind either one of them, plain and simple.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2016, 09:51 AM

24. As Yogi said, "It's not over,

until it's over". Stop trying to end the process until everyone in the country has a chance to vote.

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Response to One of the 99 (Reply #24)

Sat May 14, 2016, 10:38 AM

25. I'm NOT trying to end it, only face reality

 

I'm happy to let everyone vote

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #25)

Sat May 14, 2016, 10:47 AM

41. "Reality" is in the present. "Intents and purposes" is speculative.

 

Sounds like you might self-fulfill what is a prophesy.

--imm

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #25)

Sat May 14, 2016, 10:48 AM

45. I do not think you were a Bernie supporter but alas can't prove it.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #45)

Sat May 14, 2016, 12:40 PM

62. me personally, I think this OP proves it.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #25)

Sat May 14, 2016, 10:53 AM

46. Until everyone votes

anything can happen.

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Response to One of the 99 (Reply #24)

Sat May 14, 2016, 10:42 AM

32. Whare did the OP try to end the process or suggest such a thing?

Did you actually read the OP?

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2016, 10:42 AM

30. Finally, a voice of reason.

I'm with you - Senate and House races are critically important. We have an opportunity here. I hope we don't blow it.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2016, 10:45 AM

35. There's still plenty of time before November to give up all hope.

I'm not ready yet.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2016, 10:46 AM

38. Awwwwww! My first 'Bernie BUT" of the day!

 

So cute!

And so gone from my sight.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2016, 11:05 AM

48. I decided that I will only vote for her if I see the Goldman Sachs speeches. So that is

entirely up to her. The way I see it, the problem can't really be anything that will give republicans ammunition to use against her. What would she be telling a crowd like that that would piss off right-wingers? It's not like she would be up there telling them why she would be a poor choice for president.

I'm afraid it has to be some Robmy like 47% comments, her telling them she has their backs on class warfare and wealth envy, that kind of thing. She has to prove me wrong and she can if she wants to. Otherwise, no vote.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2016, 11:21 AM

52. Try selling it somewhere else.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2016, 11:22 AM

53. YOU face it.

 

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2016, 11:24 AM

54. You give up really easily.

How is Hillary going to change anything? She's a Republican in Democratic clothing. She believes in the things the other side does. She fights for the rich and entitled.

In eight years, there's not going to be any hope of a progressive candidate. We've got one now, and even some of his followers are giving up on him. Well, fuck that shit.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2016, 11:33 AM

57. Thankfully you weren't at Valley Forge

I could just see it....

Hey guys we've been beat by the British in every battle so far. For all intents and purposes the British have won and we should just give up.


Thank god we had true believers in the cause back then and hopefully enough today to vote for Bernie.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2016, 12:03 PM

59. The numbers..

At this point 3,149 standard delegates have been awarded

Hillary has 1,716 and Bernie has 1,433. So Hillary enjoys a 283 delegate lead at this point.

While the reported super delegate count committed so far is Hillary 524 to Bernie's 40. Bernie's 40 out of 564 superd's is 7% of the 564 while Hillary's 524 is 93% of the 564 who have committed to date. Clearly a sham, and the superd's don't officially commit and get tallied until the convention and can and most likely will change.

Bernie is 283 delegates behind and can tie or surpass Hillary in standard pledged delegates before the convention and before she can secure enough standard delegates to win the nomination.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2016, 12:38 PM

60. Uh huh...

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2016, 01:00 PM

65. guess you wont be phonebanking today then.

thanks for the post Fast Walker 52.
Peace.
LT

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2016, 02:01 PM

67. No. She will be indicted.

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Response to trudyco (Reply #67)

Sat May 14, 2016, 02:07 PM

68. you promise?

 

personally I wouldn't count on it.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2016, 02:22 PM

70. Let's face it...

I'm not into the Tokyo Rose vibe.

Down to the oubliette with you.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2016, 04:21 PM

73. Interesting

*PLONK*

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