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Fri May 13, 2016, 12:01 PM

Give GOP props, 25 years of relentless propaganda has worked brilliantly against Hillary.

Probably 80% of the libertarians (some say they are Democrats, some are I guess) who are supporting Bernie but wont vote for Hillary, who go on and on how they cant trust her, they dislike her, had either a neutral or positive opinion about her as recently as just a couple years ago.


I cant prove it but I know it is true, based on conversations, reading this place, FB, listening to media.

The push of anti Hillary propaganda the past 2 years has throttled up the attitudes, while at the same time not saying a word about any other liberal or Democrat including Bernie.

That is how this works, you have to single someone out to make them appear worse than all the rest. Isolate them with the negative comments so people will not be able to justify voting for her.

Future propaganda artists will use this as a textbook.

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Reply Give GOP props, 25 years of relentless propaganda has worked brilliantly against Hillary. (Original post)
Actor May 2016 OP
MgtPA May 2016 #1
scscholar May 2016 #2
Fawke Em May 2016 #14
scscholar May 2016 #15
Kittycat May 2016 #29
Baobab May 2016 #48
k8conant May 2016 #63
asuhornets May 2016 #3
Kittycat May 2016 #31
egalitegirl May 2016 #56
libdem4life May 2016 #77
JRLeft May 2016 #86
libdem4life May 2016 #87
JRLeft May 2016 #88
libdem4life May 2016 #89
JRLeft May 2016 #90
asuhornets May 2016 #82
libdem4life May 2016 #91
840high May 2016 #16
whatchamacallit May 2016 #4
NWCorona May 2016 #5
baldguy May 2016 #70
NWCorona May 2016 #73
baldguy May 2016 #76
cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #84
Katashi_itto May 2016 #6
Joob May 2016 #7
TCJ70 May 2016 #8
ibegurpard May 2016 #9
agracie May 2016 #10
Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #11
jalan48 May 2016 #12
Broward May 2016 #13
Throd May 2016 #17
6chars May 2016 #18
hobbit709 May 2016 #19
Redwoods Red May 2016 #20
Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #21
Autumn May 2016 #22
Actor May 2016 #26
Autumn May 2016 #33
Actor May 2016 #39
Autumn May 2016 #45
Raster May 2016 #58
TheKentuckian May 2016 #71
CanadaexPat May 2016 #78
frylock May 2016 #23
Actor May 2016 #24
frylock May 2016 #25
Actor May 2016 #27
frylock May 2016 #28
Actor May 2016 #30
frylock May 2016 #32
jack_krass May 2016 #35
Actor May 2016 #38
jack_krass May 2016 #53
arcane1 May 2016 #34
Attorney in Texas May 2016 #36
basselope May 2016 #37
Actor May 2016 #40
pressbox69 May 2016 #43
basselope May 2016 #49
Actor May 2016 #50
basselope May 2016 #51
pinebox May 2016 #64
Actor May 2016 #65
pinebox May 2016 #67
zappaman May 2016 #72
BootinUp May 2016 #41
pressbox69 May 2016 #42
Actor May 2016 #44
Bill USA May 2016 #46
Actor May 2016 #47
Gomez163 May 2016 #52
riderinthestorm May 2016 #54
BillZBubb May 2016 #55
Actor May 2016 #57
egalitegirl May 2016 #59
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Actor May 2016 #62
Raster May 2016 #61
Arugula Latte May 2016 #74
Actor May 2016 #75
TheKentuckian May 2016 #66
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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 01:02 PM

1. Hillary herself has worked brilliantly against Hillary.

Her wounds are self-inflicted.

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Response to MgtPA (Reply #1)

Fri May 13, 2016, 01:06 PM

2. How so?

 

For being too good that people get jealous so they attack her? She has a reputation for getting things done and not letting incompetent people stop her like the moron that couldn't get her secure line to work so she had to get work done without waiting on him. He was trying to keep her from working, and she fought like hell against him and the rest of his kind. Now the Republicans want her arrested for getting work done. A Republican would have just sat on their hands and whined. I know. I read people here saying she should have just stopped working. No. That's not how it should be.

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Response to scscholar (Reply #2)

Fri May 13, 2016, 01:45 PM

14. No. For ignoring legal advice - like don't use your Blackberry (and, by extension, your own server)

because it isn't secure. The NSA told her that and she didn't listen.

Now she's the target of an FBI investigation.

BTW, the "moron" working on her secure phone line was doing what was legally required. Her going around him is a violation of the law.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #14)

Fri May 13, 2016, 01:47 PM

15. So that means all those Republicans have to do...

 

is cut a phone line then you're not allowed to work? I doubt that. They would have cut the phone lines to the White House years ago.

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Response to scscholar (Reply #15)

Fri May 13, 2016, 03:18 PM

29. Sometimes I think there's hope

Then I read a post like this, and realize no. No, we've truly been abandoned to utter bullcrap.

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Response to Kittycat (Reply #29)

Fri May 13, 2016, 04:57 PM

48. Its likely that "opposition" has been a BIG ACT - a sham.

all along.

To fool the gullible American public.

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Response to scscholar (Reply #2)

Fri May 13, 2016, 05:30 PM

63. If only she had a reputation for doing the right things right,

she might not be diving in the opinions in the swing states.

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Response to MgtPA (Reply #1)

Fri May 13, 2016, 01:12 PM

3. No they are not self inflicted..

When has Hillary ever broke the law ---never. Some people here at DU are using right wing talking points against the Democratic front runner. It's over for Bernie--he is the only one that don't know that.

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Response to asuhornets (Reply #3)

Fri May 13, 2016, 03:19 PM

31. Cool story, Bro.

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Response to asuhornets (Reply #3)

Fri May 13, 2016, 05:16 PM

56. Your faith is touching...

 

Noam Chomsky once wrote that any dictator would be proud to have a lapdog media like the American media. I guess that applies to the voters who vote for establishment candidates as well.

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Response to egalitegirl (Reply #56)

Fri May 13, 2016, 06:25 PM

77. There is never/seldom a post on a position of the HRC people.

 

It's make fun of Bernie, cutsey pie one-liners, and crapping on the Democratic Party, IMO. FBI Investigation? Right Wing Conspiracy. Avoiding FOIAs? Mere buzzing gnats at a picnic.

It's a sorry state of Democratic affairs. All Hat and No Cattle.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #77)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:50 PM

86. I've never seen them mention a policy position ever.

 

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Response to JRLeft (Reply #86)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:53 PM

87. I'd say the explanation is pretty obvious. That's kind of what a Bubble is.

 

They agree with the Leader, regardless. And with this one, it's even harder because it is subject to change without notice.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #87)

Fri May 13, 2016, 11:32 PM

88. They don't give a damn, some are voting for her for biological reasons and others are

 

because it's about the team concept. Democrats vs republicans.

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Response to JRLeft (Reply #88)

Fri May 13, 2016, 11:36 PM

89. And they condemn Bernie for being a Democrat-come-lately.

 

I'll take an anti-war Independent over a Democratic Hawk any day of the week. Male or female...makes No Difference.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #89)

Fri May 13, 2016, 11:38 PM

90. That makes 2 of us.

 

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Response to egalitegirl (Reply #56)

Fri May 13, 2016, 06:37 PM

82. Bernie Sanders has been in Congress 25 years--how is that not Establishment...n/t

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Response to asuhornets (Reply #82)

Fri May 13, 2016, 11:51 PM

91. Um, could it be that he is an Independent? You know, the sentence that

 

bars him from decent Democratic society? Can't have it both ways...sorry. But then, you know that.

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Response to MgtPA (Reply #1)

Fri May 13, 2016, 01:58 PM

16. .that^

 

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 01:13 PM

4. Most liberal democrats are not particularly susceptible to GOP propaganda

We don't watch Fox or listen to Rush... The problem for 3rd Way dems like Hill, is we have principles and standards.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 01:14 PM

5. So much so that it forced Hillary to create an off site server and then not turn over the emails

Until repeatedly asked to.

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #5)

Fri May 13, 2016, 05:47 PM

70. And yet Powell & Rice did pretty much the same thing in the same job, and nobody cares.

 

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Response to baldguy (Reply #70)

Fri May 13, 2016, 05:55 PM

73. I'm on record as caring and Powell has said that he is being investigated as well

and has already been interviewed by the FBI.

FYI, Hillary's situation is unique.

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #73)

Fri May 13, 2016, 06:02 PM

76. I missed Powell's 11 hr interrogation by the House Select Committee searching for Clinton scandals.

 

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Response to baldguy (Reply #70)

Fri May 13, 2016, 06:46 PM

84. I didn't know they had servers in their basements. I learn new stuff every day!

 

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 01:23 PM

6. 25 years of nonstop scandals and conflicts of interest. Yep all RW talking points.

 

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 01:30 PM

7. It's okay, Hillary censors people who go too far! Yay America!

What's Freedom of Speech? Why censor something with no hate speech?

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 01:35 PM

8. Did they make her give public statements?

Like supporting NAFTA? The crime bill? DOMA? The IWR? Panama? The TPP?

Those aren't RW conspiracies.

Just to clarify: anything dealing with Benghazi, Bill's affairs, or her orchestrating murder is clearly garbage...but there are valid reasons to criticize her for her past policy positions and statements.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 01:36 PM

9. Hillary's record has worked against Hillary

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 01:36 PM

10. Oh puh-leeze...

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 01:37 PM

11. Why hasn't the effort worked on you?

 

We're you vaccinated against propaganda? Or, did you make up your own mind?

So did many of us who won't vote for Hillary.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 01:38 PM

12. And those secret speeches to Goldman Sachs? nt

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 01:42 PM

13. Reminder, paid trolls spread propaganda. Look within.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 02:02 PM

17. Maybe she is just an unlikable person who comes off as untrustworthy.

That should be considered as well.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 02:11 PM

18. meanwhile outside the echo chamber

Predictwise has Hillary at 97% to win the nomination, dem at 71% to win in November.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 02:13 PM

19. Libertarians are supporting Bernie? On what planet are you on?

Libertarians are supporting a Socialist? I want some of what you're smoking.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 02:14 PM

20. Speaking of propaganda, any evidence 80% of Bernie supporters are libertarians?

 

Or is this just another one of those "I can't prove it but I know it's true" things?

More likely it's one of those "I just pulled this out of my nether regions" things.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 02:18 PM

21. If it's "propaganda" (which is bullshit, of course), she made it easy for them.

 

When you need only tell the truth about someone and that paints them in a negative light, "propaganda" is easy.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 02:20 PM

22. Her own actions have worked against her more than the GOP propaganda. At one time

the GOP attack propaganda did a great job of garnering sympathy for her, it doesn't works anymore. Her history is well known All her negatives are on her because she has such bad judgment and she will change her stance on any issue to fit the crowd of the moment.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #22)

Fri May 13, 2016, 03:14 PM

26. So deportations, check...Ban Muslims, check. ACA gone, pre existing exclusions back, check.

How can you be so heartless?

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Response to Actor (Reply #26)

Fri May 13, 2016, 03:29 PM

33. You call it heartless to put the blame for a persons own action on them where it belongs

instead of someone else? Deportations, Banning Muslims, AC gone, pre existing exclusions back are all things republicans will attempt to do and have nothing to do with your OP and my post.

Hilary's negatives I lay on her shoulders where they belong. I am done defending her, won't waste another minute doing it. She gave them the ammunition to use against her, no one else did it. Perhaps the democratic party should not have pushed such a weak candidate with so many negatives.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #33)

Fri May 13, 2016, 03:55 PM

39. So either you are going to allow trump to be prez or you are not.

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Response to Actor (Reply #39)

Fri May 13, 2016, 04:28 PM

45. I've never voted for a republican in my life and I have no intention of doing it now.

I know where you are going to try to go so let's get this out of the way . I reject the premise that voting for another candidate or only voting for down ticket democrats is a vote for Trump. A vote for Hillary is a vote for Hillary. A vote for Trump is a vote for Trump. Not choosing to vote for a candidate you dislike and distrust is not choosing to vote for a candidate you dislike and distrust. My vote is my vote to do with as I wish and what I do with that one vote is nobody's business but mine

There is no magic vote that jumps from one candidate that you didn't vote for to another candidate . One person. One vote

I'm not a registered democrat anymore, I switched to Unaffiliated after over 40 years a dem so now I'm one of those people who many of you think has no business weighing in on the primary vote to decide which democrat should be the nominee so according to your little DWS and many other democrats I should just shut up until she wants my vote. But I'm an opinionated Latina woman, I don't go where I'm not wanted so good luck.

And just to be clear, I supported Hillary in 08 to the very end. I could tell you everything she ever did, i don't want her near the White House

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Response to Autumn (Reply #45)

Fri May 13, 2016, 05:18 PM

58. Thank you!

Logic and clarity. What a nice combo!

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Response to Autumn (Reply #45)

Fri May 13, 2016, 05:51 PM

71. It is strange how the folks most likely to be hollering about "The Math" have the poorest understand

of basic addition.

Of course the truth is that these folks understand that 1+1=2, the problem is they feel entitled to votes and therefore can only allow themselves to see subtraction in play.
Unfortunately, this results in one tying themselves into such knots that they have to publicly and forceful argue against the whole idea that 1+1=2 and that is both absurd and pitiful. In fact, it is absurdly pitiful while also being arrogant and entitled as can be.

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Response to Actor (Reply #26)

Fri May 13, 2016, 06:29 PM

78. Which is worse - banning Muslims or bombing

Muslims?

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 02:35 PM

23. Brocktacular!

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Response to frylock (Reply #23)

Fri May 13, 2016, 03:13 PM

24. No answer, I see. Will you be here when the deportations start, can we blame you at

that point, will you take any responsibility when ACA is repealed and pre existing exclusion provision kills a few thousand every year?

Answer the question.

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Response to Actor (Reply #24)

Fri May 13, 2016, 03:13 PM

25. No, I have no answer to your Brockaganda.

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Response to frylock (Reply #25)

Fri May 13, 2016, 03:14 PM

27. Havent been on media matters in years. I am a liberal, that is why you are confused

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Response to frylock (Reply #28)

Fri May 13, 2016, 03:19 PM

30. Yes, there is mass confusion on your end. You dont believe liberals can do what I do

for the sake of sanity and doing what is right, but that is what liberals do, so I assume you are new to this from that standpoint.

Would you like to bet a very large sum of money on it?

I am sure I can prove I am not working for anybody, the board admins here could help, game?

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Response to Actor (Reply #30)

Fri May 13, 2016, 03:25 PM

32. Was this betting angle taught in the class?

I keep seeing this challenge made from posters like yourself who all joined mid-March through mid-April. In any case, no, I'm not a gambling man, thanks.

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Response to frylock (Reply #32)

Fri May 13, 2016, 03:37 PM

35. Impressive. Three replies deep and he's still on-script. Let's see how far he can go.

 

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Response to jack_krass (Reply #35)

Fri May 13, 2016, 03:53 PM

38. How bout you, game? $1000 is what I am willing to wager, if not just apologize to someone

who has been working for social and economic justice for a very long time.

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Response to jack_krass (Reply #35)

Fri May 13, 2016, 05:10 PM

53. Not a betting man either. What I, and many of us cannot

 

Understand is if you're for peace and justice, why are you defending someone who:

-sent hundreds of thousands of people, many of them minorities into prison hell simply for posession of drugs
-makes 250000 for giving a speecg
-laughs and jokes at the torture and death of a leader who she was negotiating with just months beforex and whos children she personally hosted.
-who buddies around with mass murderers like Kissinger and Baker
-heres HRC with one of her sociopath friends laughing gleefully at the prospect of mass murder

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 03:32 PM

34. "I cant prove it but I know it is true"

 

So sayeth today's memo

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 03:42 PM

36. Is Obama's appointee to head up the FBI now part of the "vast right wing conspiracy"? How about

Judge Emmet Sullivan who was appointed by Bill Clinton - is he part of the "vast right wing conspiracy," too?

If there are more unfavorable news stories about Hillary than other candidates, it may be because she is the only candidate under FBI investigation and the only candidate whose breach of the FOIA has resulted in the State Department being sued over three dozen times for intentional violations of the law. Hillary's biggest problems are of Hillary's own making.

Also, what do you think libertarians believe? Generally, libertarians want a smaller role for government and progressives (like Sanders) want a bigger role for government. If you think Sanders supporters are generally libertarians, you may need to go back and do a little more research on that thesis.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 03:47 PM

37. I had a neutral opinion of Hillary until she voted for the war.

 

At that moment she lost my vote forever and she will never get it back.

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Response to basselope (Reply #37)

Fri May 13, 2016, 03:56 PM

40. I know about you, heard from you and the likes of you before. No matter how many

millions are harmed, you simply dont care.

Republicans are like that.

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Response to Actor (Reply #40)

Fri May 13, 2016, 04:07 PM

43. republicans

eat their young.

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Response to Actor (Reply #40)

Fri May 13, 2016, 05:02 PM

49. The problem is I do care.

 

Which is why I won't vote for Republicans.

Which leaves Hillary and Trump out.

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Response to basselope (Reply #49)

Fri May 13, 2016, 05:04 PM

50. Your open support for Trump is noted. If you dont vote against him, you support him.

That is the adult way to look at this.

Sorry

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Response to Actor (Reply #50)

Fri May 13, 2016, 05:06 PM

51. Sorry, that is the childish way to look at it.

 

There are many more choices on the ballot, thank the gods.

I won't vote for a republican, which leaves out Hillary and Trump.

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Response to Actor (Reply #50)

Fri May 13, 2016, 05:31 PM

64. Wouldn't not voting for Trump help Hillary?

 

Your logic is failed.

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Response to pinebox (Reply #64)

Fri May 13, 2016, 05:35 PM

65. The logic you folks attempt to use doesnt work. If Trump is elected I will know

why and who allowed it.

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Response to Actor (Reply #65)

Fri May 13, 2016, 05:39 PM

67. Sorry but your original statement is seriously flawed

 

It can be used just as I said.

Many of us won't vote for Hillary nor Trump, now what? Our vote is our own and many of us have no interest in supporting a talking yam or a person who has no integrity.

The only one you have to blame is yourself for supporting a candidate most of America can't stand and who is weaker in a GE. You built this.

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Response to pinebox (Reply #67)

Fri May 13, 2016, 05:52 PM

72. Ok. n/t

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 03:59 PM

41. They have lied themselves into a hole now though. nt

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 04:06 PM

42. I'm voting for Hillary but for now the main thing is

Anyone but tRump!

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Response to pressbox69 (Reply #42)

Fri May 13, 2016, 04:08 PM

44. Putting aside the fact Trump will end all life on the planet, it is amazing to see how

the propaganda worked.

People who two years ago had no opinion of Hillary are now experts at why she cant be trusted.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 04:55 PM

46. Benghazi Biopsy: A Comprehensive Guide to One of America’s Worst Political Outrages

..The GOP has done a masterful job of mounting a multi-year McCarthyist attack on Clinton employing innuendo and lies to program the thoughts of those who won't or can't think for themselves: those who prefer to be told what they think rather than do any critical thinking for themselves. Let's not forget to give credit to the M$M who have uncritically printed every anonymous sourced, leaked rumor and phony story for the GOP with little interest in uncovering actual facts and even less interest in covering the real story of Benghazi: the GOP Benghazi Attack on Clinton - entailing 8 Benghazi Show trials which have gone on non-stop for over three years. This is about the best article I have found on this political assassination (praise Newsweek).


http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511919551
Moussa Koussa.

That is the name of the “classified source” in an old email from Hillary Clinton released last week by Republicans purportedly investigating the 2012 attack on the American consulate in Benghazi, Libya. Under the instructions of the Benghazi committee’s chairman, Republican Representative Trey Gowdy of South Carolina, Koussa’s name was blacked-out on the publicly issued email, as Republicans proclaimed revealing his identity would compromise national security. The media ran with it, saying Clinton had sent classified information through her personal email account.


But the CIA never said the name was secret. Nor did the Defense Intelligence Agency or the FBI. No, Koussa’s role as an intelligence source is about as classified as this column. He is the former intelligence chief and foreign minister of Libya. In 2011, he fled that country for Great Britain, where he provided boodles of information to MI6 and the CIA. Documents released long ago show Koussa’s cooperation. Government officials have openly discussed it. His name appears in newspapers with casual discussions about his assistance. Sanctions by the British and the Americans against Koussa were lifted because of his help, and he moved to Qatar. All of that is publicly known.

But, as they have time and again, the Republicans on the Benghazi committee released deceitful information for what was undoubtedly part of a campaign—as Kevin McCarthy of the House Republican leadership has admitted—to drive down Clinton’s poll numbers. Republicans have implied—and some journalists have flatly stated—that Clinton was reckless and may have broken the law by sending an email that included thirdhand hearsay mentioning Koussa’s name. The reality is that the Republicans continue to be reckless with the truth.
(more)

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Response to Bill USA (Reply #46)

Fri May 13, 2016, 04:56 PM

47. Yep

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 05:07 PM

52. Those of us that lived through the 90s can recognize the stench of the RWNJ

 

on every so called "Hillary is evil" story.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 05:11 PM

54. 87% of statistics are made up on the spot.

 

I'm actually enjoying the spectacle of your contortions. Its adorable.



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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 05:13 PM

55. That darn right wing. They made Hillary set up a private server. Shame.

They made Hillary take all that money from the bankers. Shame. They made Hillary vote yes on the Iraq War. Shame on them. The things they make that poor woman do!

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Response to BillZBubb (Reply #55)

Fri May 13, 2016, 05:16 PM

57. Wow...and this is Democratic Underground...amazing

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Response to Actor (Reply #57)

Fri May 13, 2016, 05:19 PM

59. Hillary *is* the right wing

 

The problem is that Hillary epitomizes Right Wing. She is an ally of the Bush family, has received money from Goldman Sachs, voted for Wall Street bailouts, is part of the Military Industrial Complex and has a right wing record in the Senate.

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Response to Actor (Reply #57)

Fri May 13, 2016, 05:19 PM

60. Yeah the Democratic and Underground parts bother a lot of people.

You can try to blame all of Hillary's problems on the right wing, but it is bullshit. She's her own worst enemy. And she's not your friend.

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Response to BillZBubb (Reply #60)

Fri May 13, 2016, 05:23 PM

62. Exactly, crazeee me thinking Democratic meant vote for the Democrat


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Response to Actor (Reply #57)

Fri May 13, 2016, 05:20 PM

61. Amazing that people who self-identify as Democrats can actually have....

...opinions and beliefs other than those required by the DLS/DNC/Brock/Clinton machine?

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Response to Actor (Reply #57)

Fri May 13, 2016, 05:57 PM

74. A lot of us expect Democrats to act like Democrats.

 

Funny how that works.

Having a D by your name and acting like a Republican Lite doesn't cut it for us.

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #74)

Fri May 13, 2016, 06:02 PM

75. Us? So you wont be voting Dem. OK, got it.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 05:36 PM

66. Sniff...sniff...smells like projection. When the "fiscally conservative but socially liberal" set

starts running off at the mouth about folks being libertarians it is pretty funny.

Now, granted they like Bill of Rights toilet paper so it isn't really on the nose for them either but I am amused in five Picard's face palming type fashion that they are spouting off about someone else when it is a closer description of themselves.

I also missed the 25 years of Republicans complaints that Clinton is too fiscally conservative, too hawkish, too close to the predator classes, is too corporate, and can be a foot dragger on some important social issues.

About none of that ever happened at all. It is just what happens to the thinking process when one's position is that any criticism of Hillary Clinton is created equally which is delusional or damn dishonest or just plain old stupid.

Of course it is also a convenient hand wave to ignore the same 25+ years of toxicity from the failed DLC/Turd way philosophy being rejected so shifty is also a solid option to explain this sort of nonsensical dialog.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #66)

Fri May 13, 2016, 05:44 PM

68. Ouch!

That's gotta hurt.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 05:44 PM

69. The seeds were planted many years ago.

Almost $2 Million Spent in Magazine's Anti-Clinton Project, but on What?

And what did Mr. Scaife get for his money? The most obvious and immediate fruits of the Arkansas Project were a handful of lengthy articles in The Spectator portraying the Clintons as a slick political couple addled by greed and ambition, a view that reflected the magazine's unrelentingly critical view of the President.

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/04/15/us/almost-2-million-spent-in-magazine-s-anti-clinton-project-but-on-what.html


And that is EXACTLY what so many "progressives" now parrot. The talking points of Richard Mellon Fucking Scaife.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 06:30 PM

79. I don't need the right-wing to see that she's a compulsive liar

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 06:30 PM

80. You are delusional. I hate Libertarians, and I find her and Bill Clinton offensive in the extreme.

 

What they have done to the Democratic Party is to tear down its traditional values in fighting for the less fortunate, in favor of a Party that kowtows to special interests.

Why? Because in the noxious wake of Ronnie Reagan, with his false and downright harmful ideas and policies, that was seen as the only way to WIN!

Well, it's not the way to win any longer. The success of Bernie Sanders and the relative hunger of people for his message, even though he started as practically a complete unknown, show that people are hungry for the kind of Democratic Progressivism, Populism, Liberalism that used to be taken for granted. That was established by truly great Democrats like FDR. This kept us in the majority for decades, way better than triangulation and Third Way politics has done.

So, now, when the people are hungry for it, you can safely bet that the Clintons and other party apparatchiks, who don't seem to recall our former glory days before triangulation, are going to try to feed us a stale diet of the same old shit and expect it to go down easily and to attract folks from the mythical center who they think actually like that gruel. All the while sticking it in the eye of those who are energized for the Democratic Party, as long as it remains true to its core traditional values.

What should be so hard? You Clinton supporters are always claiming with pride how "Progressive" she is. Well, prove it. Get her and the party hacks to incorporate us into the frigging Party for a change. The time is ripe. Heck, Hillary stayed in the race by being Progressive. Donald Trump even talks like an anti=trade Progressive, saving American jobs, because he knows it works!

Convince your brothers and sisters to join with us in a Great Progressive Crusade, and we will steamroll through these Republican maniacs like a knife through butter.

Continue to fight with us, condescend to us, lie to us about whether or not you are going to truly be Progressive, and that's another matter. That's a civil war on the Democratic side, and that' likely to remain ugly and get us nowhere. Same with triangulation. Been there, done that. It's a brand new day, and as much as President Obama has opened certain Progressive doors, there is much, much, much more to be done. Time to lead the charge in this Leftward direction for a change. It may not have been the right thing to do right after Ronald Reagan, but it's absolutely the correct and smart thing to do now.

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #80)

Fri May 13, 2016, 06:39 PM

83. I am a Bernie supporter. I am not delusional, I am voting for the Dem, you?

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Response to Actor (Reply #83)

Fri May 13, 2016, 06:57 PM

85. Fine, sorry for the epithet, and compliment you on your avatar. On the other hand,

 

I do think it is big mistake to think that how people feel about Hillary, the Clintons, and triangulating Democrats in general is because of rightwing propaganda. I really think that is nonsense that is spewed by the somewhat paranoid Clinton supporters who don't know or won't brook a valid criticism when one is made.

FBI investigation, for instance, which Hillary chooses to call a "security inquiry". The leader of the investigation just felt it was necessary to clarify that it was an investigation. It's not the Federal Bureau of Inquiry. That is not propaganda. That is the much vaulted reality we talk about around here.

Hillary does plenty on her own to create backlash. And this private server bit - I mean can you honestly say that setting up and using that private server seems either legal, authorized, safe, secure, or wise? I can't.

Furthermore, history will show that Hillary and Bill and the rest of the triangulating Democrats have done much to tarnish the Democratic brand while not delivering the real, meaningful results that the people desperately want. Some Democrats have chosen to support her anyway, beats the hell out of me. I know from experience that it's very likely she still doesn't get the frustration that is fueling this popular movement. Not just among "Libertarians" as you say or "Bernie Bros" as Clinton spokespeople have creatively suggested, but longtime and ardent Democrats, women and men and people of all religions and ethnic backgrounds who are simply fed up at being lied to about how our rights are going to be protected by a Democratic Party that sticks its fingers in our eye whenever it gets a chance.whenever it doesn't need us.

The solution. Quit complaining about all the ill that other people are allegedly doing to Hillary and her campaign, and start cleaning up its act, You know, if that's at all possible. Seize the political will of the people and the moment and include the Sanders supporters in the process. If Hillary and the Democratic Apparatchiks would just realize that the post-Reagan time of triangulating is dead and we are hungry for some red meat Democratic Progressivism, then they would seize the day, likely the nomination, and the election. Fail to do that, the Democratic Party is toast in this news cycle.

Who am I voting for? I am voting for people who act like Democrats in the traditional Democratic Party sense. That's who I vote for.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 06:30 PM

81. K&R

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