Give GOP props, 25 years of relentless propaganda has worked brilliantly against Hillary.

Her wounds are self-inflicted.

For being too good that people get jealous so they attack her? She has a reputation for getting things done and not letting incompetent people stop her like the moron that couldn't get her secure line to work so she had to get work done without waiting on him. He was trying to keep her from working, and she fought like hell against him and the rest of his kind. Now the Republicans want her arrested for getting work done. A Republican would have just sat on their hands and whined. I know. I read people here saying she should have just stopped working. No. That's not how it should be.

because it isn't secure. The NSA told her that and she didn't listen.

Now she's the target of an FBI investigation.

BTW, the "moron" working on her secure phone line was doing what was legally required. Her going around him is a violation of the law.

is cut a phone line then you're not allowed to work? I doubt that. They would have cut the phone lines to the White House years ago.

Then I read a post like this, and realize no. No, we've truly been abandoned to utter bullcrap.

all along.

To fool the gullible American public.

she might not be diving in the opinions in the swing states.

When has Hillary ever broke the law ---never. Some people here at DU are using right wing talking points against the Democratic front runner. It's over for Bernie--he is the only one that don't know that.

Noam Chomsky once wrote that any dictator would be proud to have a lapdog media like the American media. I guess that applies to the voters who vote for establishment candidates as well.

It's make fun of Bernie, cutsey pie one-liners, and crapping on the Democratic Party, IMO. FBI Investigation? Right Wing Conspiracy. Avoiding FOIAs? Mere buzzing gnats at a picnic.

It's a sorry state of Democratic affairs. All Hat and No Cattle.

They agree with the Leader, regardless. And with this one, it's even harder because it is subject to change without notice.

because it's about the team concept. Democrats vs republicans.

I'll take an anti-war Independent over a Democratic Hawk any day of the week. Male or female...makes No Difference.

bars him from decent Democratic society? Can't have it both ways...sorry. But then, you know that.

We don't watch Fox or listen to Rush... The problem for 3rd Way dems like Hill, is we have principles and standards.

Until repeatedly asked to.

and has already been interviewed by the FBI.

FYI, Hillary's situation is unique.

What's Freedom of Speech? Why censor something with no hate speech?

Like supporting NAFTA? The crime bill? DOMA? The IWR? Panama? The TPP?

Those aren't RW conspiracies.

Just to clarify: anything dealing with Benghazi, Bill's affairs, or her orchestrating murder is clearly garbage...but there are valid reasons to criticize her for her past policy positions and statements.

We're you vaccinated against propaganda? Or, did you make up your own mind?

So did many of us who won't vote for Hillary.

That should be considered as well.

Predictwise has Hillary at 97% to win the nomination, dem at 71% to win in November.

Libertarians are supporting a Socialist? I want some of what you're smoking.

Or is this just another one of those "I can't prove it but I know it's true" things?

More likely it's one of those "I just pulled this out of my nether regions" things.

When you need only tell the truth about someone and that paints them in a negative light, "propaganda" is easy.

the GOP attack propaganda did a great job of garnering sympathy for her, it doesn't works anymore. Her history is well known All her negatives are on her because she has such bad judgment and she will change her stance on any issue to fit the crowd of the moment.

How can you be so heartless?

instead of someone else? Deportations, Banning Muslims, AC gone, pre existing exclusions back are all things republicans will attempt to do and have nothing to do with your OP and my post.

Hilary's negatives I lay on her shoulders where they belong. I am done defending her, won't waste another minute doing it. She gave them the ammunition to use against her, no one else did it. Perhaps the democratic party should not have pushed such a weak candidate with so many negatives.

I know where you are going to try to go so let's get this out of the way . I reject the premise that voting for another candidate or only voting for down ticket democrats is a vote for Trump. A vote for Hillary is a vote for Hillary. A vote for Trump is a vote for Trump. Not choosing to vote for a candidate you dislike and distrust is not choosing to vote for a candidate you dislike and distrust. My vote is my vote to do with as I wish and what I do with that one vote is nobody's business but mine

There is no magic vote that jumps from one candidate that you didn't vote for to another candidate . One person. One vote

I'm not a registered democrat anymore, I switched to Unaffiliated after over 40 years a dem so now I'm one of those people who many of you think has no business weighing in on the primary vote to decide which democrat should be the nominee so according to your little DWS and many other democrats I should just shut up until she wants my vote. But I'm an opinionated Latina woman, I don't go where I'm not wanted so good luck.

And just to be clear, I supported Hillary in 08 to the very end. I could tell you everything she ever did, i don't want her near the White House

Logic and clarity. What a nice combo!

of basic addition.

Of course the truth is that these folks understand that 1+1=2, the problem is they feel entitled to votes and therefore can only allow themselves to see subtraction in play.
Unfortunately, this results in one tying themselves into such knots that they have to publicly and forceful argue against the whole idea that 1+1=2 and that is both absurd and pitiful. In fact, it is absurdly pitiful while also being arrogant and entitled as can be.

Muslims?

that point, will you take any responsibility when ACA is repealed and pre existing exclusion provision kills a few thousand every year?

Answer the question.

for the sake of sanity and doing what is right, but that is what liberals do, so I assume you are new to this from that standpoint.

Would you like to bet a very large sum of money on it?

I am sure I can prove I am not working for anybody, the board admins here could help, game?

I keep seeing this challenge made from posters like yourself who all joined mid-March through mid-April. In any case, no, I'm not a gambling man, thanks.

who has been working for social and economic justice for a very long time.

Understand is if you're for peace and justice, why are you defending someone who:

-sent hundreds of thousands of people, many of them minorities into prison hell simply for posession of drugs
-makes 250000 for giving a speecg
-laughs and jokes at the torture and death of a leader who she was negotiating with just months beforex and whos children she personally hosted.
-who buddies around with mass murderers like Kissinger and Baker
-heres HRC with one of her sociopath friends laughing gleefully at the prospect of mass murder

So sayeth today's memo

Judge Emmet Sullivan who was appointed by Bill Clinton - is he part of the "vast right wing conspiracy," too?

If there are more unfavorable news stories about Hillary than other candidates, it may be because she is the only candidate under FBI investigation and the only candidate whose breach of the FOIA has resulted in the State Department being sued over three dozen times for intentional violations of the law. Hillary's biggest problems are of Hillary's own making.

Also, what do you think libertarians believe? Generally, libertarians want a smaller role for government and progressives (like Sanders) want a bigger role for government. If you think Sanders supporters are generally libertarians, you may need to go back and do a little more research on that thesis.

At that moment she lost my vote forever and she will never get it back.

millions are harmed, you simply dont care.

Republicans are like that.

eat their young.

Which is why I won't vote for Republicans.

Which leaves Hillary and Trump out.

That is the adult way to look at this.

Sorry

There are many more choices on the ballot, thank the gods.

I won't vote for a republican, which leaves out Hillary and Trump.

Your logic is failed.

why and who allowed it.

It can be used just as I said.

Many of us won't vote for Hillary nor Trump, now what? Our vote is our own and many of us have no interest in supporting a talking yam or a person who has no integrity.

The only one you have to blame is yourself for supporting a candidate most of America can't stand and who is weaker in a GE. You built this.

Anyone but tRump!

the propaganda worked.

People who two years ago had no opinion of Hillary are now experts at why she cant be trusted.

..The GOP has done a masterful job of mounting a multi-year McCarthyist attack on Clinton employing innuendo and lies to program the thoughts of those who won't or can't think for themselves: those who prefer to be told what they think rather than do any critical thinking for themselves. Let's not forget to give credit to the M$M who have uncritically printed every anonymous sourced, leaked rumor and phony story for the GOP with little interest in uncovering actual facts and even less interest in covering the real story of Benghazi: the GOP Benghazi Attack on Clinton - entailing 8 Benghazi Show trials which have gone on non-stop for over three years. This is about the best article I have found on this political assassination (praise Newsweek).


http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511919551

on every so called "Hillary is evil" story.

I'm actually enjoying the spectacle of your contortions. Its adorable.

They made Hillary take all that money from the bankers. Shame. They made Hillary vote yes on the Iraq War. Shame on them. The things they make that poor woman do!

The problem is that Hillary epitomizes Right Wing. She is an ally of the Bush family, has received money from Goldman Sachs, voted for Wall Street bailouts, is part of the Military Industrial Complex and has a right wing record in the Senate.

You can try to blame all of Hillary's problems on the right wing, but it is bullshit. She's her own worst enemy. And she's not your friend.

...opinions and beliefs other than those required by the DLS/DNC/Brock/Clinton machine?

Funny how that works.

Having a D by your name and acting like a Republican Lite doesn't cut it for us.

starts running off at the mouth about folks being libertarians it is pretty funny.

Now, granted they like Bill of Rights toilet paper so it isn't really on the nose for them either but I am amused in five Picard's face palming type fashion that they are spouting off about someone else when it is a closer description of themselves.

I also missed the 25 years of Republicans complaints that Clinton is too fiscally conservative, too hawkish, too close to the predator classes, is too corporate, and can be a foot dragger on some important social issues.

About none of that ever happened at all. It is just what happens to the thinking process when one's position is that any criticism of Hillary Clinton is created equally which is delusional or damn dishonest or just plain old stupid.

Of course it is also a convenient hand wave to ignore the same 25+ years of toxicity from the failed DLC/Turd way philosophy being rejected so shifty is also a solid option to explain this sort of nonsensical dialog.

That's gotta hurt.

And that is EXACTLY what so many "progressives" now parrot. The talking points of Richard Mellon Fucking Scaife.

What they have done to the Democratic Party is to tear down its traditional values in fighting for the less fortunate, in favor of a Party that kowtows to special interests.

Why? Because in the noxious wake of Ronnie Reagan, with his false and downright harmful ideas and policies, that was seen as the only way to WIN!

Well, it's not the way to win any longer. The success of Bernie Sanders and the relative hunger of people for his message, even though he started as practically a complete unknown, show that people are hungry for the kind of Democratic Progressivism, Populism, Liberalism that used to be taken for granted. That was established by truly great Democrats like FDR. This kept us in the majority for decades, way better than triangulation and Third Way politics has done.

So, now, when the people are hungry for it, you can safely bet that the Clintons and other party apparatchiks, who don't seem to recall our former glory days before triangulation, are going to try to feed us a stale diet of the same old shit and expect it to go down easily and to attract folks from the mythical center who they think actually like that gruel. All the while sticking it in the eye of those who are energized for the Democratic Party, as long as it remains true to its core traditional values.

What should be so hard? You Clinton supporters are always claiming with pride how "Progressive" she is. Well, prove it. Get her and the party hacks to incorporate us into the frigging Party for a change. The time is ripe. Heck, Hillary stayed in the race by being Progressive. Donald Trump even talks like an anti=trade Progressive, saving American jobs, because he knows it works!

Convince your brothers and sisters to join with us in a Great Progressive Crusade, and we will steamroll through these Republican maniacs like a knife through butter.

Continue to fight with us, condescend to us, lie to us about whether or not you are going to truly be Progressive, and that's another matter. That's a civil war on the Democratic side, and that' likely to remain ugly and get us nowhere. Same with triangulation. Been there, done that. It's a brand new day, and as much as President Obama has opened certain Progressive doors, there is much, much, much more to be done. Time to lead the charge in this Leftward direction for a change. It may not have been the right thing to do right after Ronald Reagan, but it's absolutely the correct and smart thing to do now.

I do think it is big mistake to think that how people feel about Hillary, the Clintons, and triangulating Democrats in general is because of rightwing propaganda. I really think that is nonsense that is spewed by the somewhat paranoid Clinton supporters who don't know or won't brook a valid criticism when one is made.

FBI investigation, for instance, which Hillary chooses to call a "security inquiry". The leader of the investigation just felt it was necessary to clarify that it was an investigation. It's not the Federal Bureau of Inquiry. That is not propaganda. That is the much vaulted reality we talk about around here.

Hillary does plenty on her own to create backlash. And this private server bit - I mean can you honestly say that setting up and using that private server seems either legal, authorized, safe, secure, or wise? I can't.

Furthermore, history will show that Hillary and Bill and the rest of the triangulating Democrats have done much to tarnish the Democratic brand while not delivering the real, meaningful results that the people desperately want. Some Democrats have chosen to support her anyway, beats the hell out of me. I know from experience that it's very likely she still doesn't get the frustration that is fueling this popular movement. Not just among "Libertarians" as you say or "Bernie Bros" as Clinton spokespeople have creatively suggested, but longtime and ardent Democrats, women and men and people of all religions and ethnic backgrounds who are simply fed up at being lied to about how our rights are going to be protected by a Democratic Party that sticks its fingers in our eye whenever it gets a chance.whenever it doesn't need us.

The solution. Quit complaining about all the ill that other people are allegedly doing to Hillary and her campaign, and start cleaning up its act, You know, if that's at all possible. Seize the political will of the people and the moment and include the Sanders supporters in the process. If Hillary and the Democratic Apparatchiks would just realize that the post-Reagan time of triangulating is dead and we are hungry for some red meat Democratic Progressivism, then they would seize the day, likely the nomination, and the election. Fail to do that, the Democratic Party is toast in this news cycle.

Who am I voting for? I am voting for people who act like Democrats in the traditional Democratic Party sense. That's who I vote for.