2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCBS News: Democrats press Bernie Sanders to leave race
"It's actually harmful because she can't make that general-election pivot the way she should," Feinstein said. "Trump has made that pivot."
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/some-democrats-press-bernie-sanders-to-leave-race/
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The calls for him to resign are going to intensify. He can work out some sort of a deal peacefully and retain his credibility or push this all the way to Philadelphia and end up looking like a desperate power hungry loser. That would be a shame after everything he has accomplished this election.
LexVegas
(6,059 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)why should we care what she thinks?
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #7)
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Dawgs
(14,755 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)lbrtbell
(2,389 posts)Sanders is more of a Democrat than Hillary will ever be. His supporters, whether Dem, Independent, or Republican, stand with him because they see he stands for traditional Democratic values, rather than DLC Republican-lite.
frylock
(34,825 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)He needs to drop out or really tone it down. He has no chance to win... he's simply helping Trump and burning bridges.
There are no benefits to him staying in this race and continuing to bash Hillary.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)if he cares about defeating Trump.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I have been bashed but I dont normally return the favor.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Sanders has no allegiance to the Democratic Party..That's why he is always bashing the Dem. Est.--he's been doing it for years.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)That's how it be.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)He could be a big asset if he wanted to be.
LexVegas
(6,059 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)He is making many democrats aware of that fact now.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Is there a prerequisite to checking the box on the form?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Nice of her to take time out from that to lecture us on what constitutes real progress.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)that there wouldn't be a problem with Bernie running, if he stopped his character attacks on Hillary and the DNC. He won't.
Day after day, he is still out there calling Hillary corrupt and untrustworthy. It's no wonder that a large percentage of his voters are reluctant or unwilling to support her when she gets the nomination. By this point in 2008, Hillary was still running, but pulled back on the attacks. That's what you're supposed to do, rather than put your nominee in between two firing squads.
For being a guy who said he will "do everything in [his] power" to stop Trump, Bernie doesn't act like it.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)pengu
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wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)lbrtbell
(2,389 posts)She dragged her feet all the way to the convention. Why should she be spared the type of treatment she gave Obama in 2008?
frylock
(34,825 posts)Do you have an example?
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)He's staying in the race until June 7, no amount of hand-wringing is going to change that. May as well accept it and move on.
For the record, I don't think the downsides are a huge deal, none of this will matter come November. Also, there are some potential upsides to him staying in as well.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)but Bernie could help himself and Hillary and the party by dropping out.. it's unfortunate he cant see that.
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)What that means in Democratic Establishment Speak is "Let us concentrate on what an awful man Trump is, and paint the GOP as the Only Problem....and forget those other pesky issues and give voters a tepid meaningless semi-conservative message and platform that sounds nice but avoids core problems."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511954521
DCBob
(24,689 posts)by far.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)They are a terrible problem....But if you read the article at the link, you'll understand why many people believe this election should be about much more that that.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Its interesting and may be correct in some ways but when youve got a freight train about to run over you have to focus on one thing.. survival.
If we dont stop Trump we are doomed. Hillary is our candidate.. its time to rally around her to stop a maniac from occupying the White House.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)We're on two tracks. Trump and the GOP are the frieght train that is currently on the electoral track. I agree with you on that.
But the other track is ultimately more important. That's the track on which the elites and the giant corrupt corporate empires and Wall St. banksters have been running over us for 40 years, regardless of which party is in power.
And, in a strictly partisan sense, the Democrats would do a whole lot better electorally if they actually represented the majority against the elites.
That is what I was referring to as the "pivot" back to a politics of avoidance of real issues.
Sure it will help if Bernie goes out and tells people what a pathological liar Trump is and how bad the GOP are. But if that, and a few select politically correct issues are the sole focus -- and remain the sole focus after the election -- that bigger train will keep rolling over the majority. And partisan team sport will continue to be seen as irrelevant by most people.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)but I would rather have that debate after we win this thing.
pengu
(462 posts)The only time the establishment listens is when they're threatened electorally.
TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)If you would like to know how the argument you are making sounds in my ear, all I can equate it to is when gun rights activists insists after yet another mass shooting tragedy that, "now is not the time to talk about gun control." It's never the time, because it's always the election.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)of what we believe in. I am not saying she has to put in everything we support, but she needs to compromise with Bernie/us to better reflect the needs /wants of the whole Democratic Party than just her agenda and her agenda only. It's called unifying the Party. She and her supporters want to skip that part and as one Hillary supporter here told me, "It's winner take all!"
If she wants to defeat Trump she will win on the issues and policy, we (Democrats) have it and he doesn't. She needs to reach out and work WITH US instead of yelling about Bernie needing to drop out!
pengu
(462 posts)It's tired.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Turin_C3PO
(13,971 posts)concede the nomination night of the June 7th primaries. I do hope the DNC allows him to have a little input on the platform, I think he deserves that.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)but the sooner the better though.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)oasis
(49,379 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)oasis
(49,379 posts)She'll settle for a Presidential Library when she's done presidentin'.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)All this hand wringing over two and one half weeks.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Will be a big day to celebrate!
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)I can only assume they're scared of the looming indictment and want Bernie out of the picture so they can move Biden with less fuss. If Bernie is still in the race and they try to name him the nominee, all hell will break loose.
What they should be doing is asking Hillary to drop out, her numbers are in the tank against Trump, and the FBI is zeroing in. We couldn't have a worse nominee if we let the Republicans pick it for us.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)This is simply about focusing on the general especially now that all Trump's competition has dropped out.
LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)Not feeling an indictment either.
And you're right:Hillary Clinton IS starting to focus on the GE.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)Because otherwise you're just making things up.
glowing
(12,233 posts)Then it would be much easier for them to bring Biden in as the new establishment nominee. If Bernie doesn't suspend and they try inserting Biden in, the entire party will become obsolete.
She needs to drop out and deal with her legal issues and let the Democrats have a chance against Trump in the GE.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Red Oak
(697 posts)Maybe the continual "pivoting" over the years is why the Hill hasn't won the primaries yet.
If the Hill can't beat Trump with Sanders still in the race until the convention, then maybe the Hillbots should select a stronger candidate.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)NewImproved Deal
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Matariki
(18,775 posts)THIS Democrat urges the candidate under FBI investigation and with historically high unfavorably ratings to leave the race
FUCK these people. Whiners. She hasn't clinched the election yet so these assholes pretending to speak for 'Democrats' can take their psyops crap and choke on it.
JPnoodleman
(454 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)Let's leave the field to an unethical and corrupt politician, who has a -17 approval, distrusted my most, and under FBI investigation. Yeah, I like what I'm hearing.
me b zola
(19,053 posts)Go fuck yourself.
CountAllVotes
(20,868 posts)CountAllVotes says the same to the "establishment"!
me b zola
(19,053 posts)Seems like no matter when, it is never a good time for the establishment to make a little room for the little people to have a voice. The issues that matter to us are rarely mentioned in the media, let alone be discussed in a meaningful way by someone who actually represents the people. If the media had covered the Democratic primary as they have done in other years, and not brush Bernie and his campaign off, I am certain that Bernie would have already locked up the nomination. But no. Anointed.
CountAllVotes
(20,868 posts)If it makes you feel any better, I've yet to find a solitary person that plans to vote for HRC. So, no it is not you or me, it is the majority of the whole of the USA that is not going for her.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Sound alot like Republicans. Sick.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)She IS under a criminal investigation.
She DOES have high negatives.
She IS in a dead heat with Trump of all people!
What's crude and vile is ignoring those issues.
frylock
(34,825 posts)I'm sorry you had to read those.
Mike Nelson
(9,953 posts)...in the once the legitimate contest between two candidates who respect each other. There are, I now believe, a large group of Sanders supporters who believe Hillary is akin to Nixon and GWB - worse, in fact. They will never support her, as they've stated. Now, sometimes it seems like Bernie is part of that camp... and sometimes not... we shall see. I still hope they get together after he drops out, but it's possible he will continue to lead the "revolution" - which he should, if he believes Hillary is worse than Nixon and Bush.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)TheFarseer
(9,322 posts)She has to pretend she gives a damn about progressive causes for a few more weeks. The horror. I'm sure it would be much easier to just focus on how much of a bafoon Trump is than try to pretend you care about our manufacturing base or something. It's not as if Bernie has only won his home state or something like kasich.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...if he reads that he's delaying HRC from a pivot to the right.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)take it. Secondly, there's nothing wrong with Hillary that Hillary herself can't cure. Third, they ought to learn from the success of his campaign and join up with him, not try to force him out of the race. They ought to learn that the time of Reagonomics is dead!!!!!
Get with the program. The people have spoken, including those Hillary supporters here who proclaim how Progressive they are all the time.
This is the time for the Democratic Party to seize the power of its Progressive, Populist roots and ride roughshod right through the enemy line!!!!!! Heck, before Trump uses Populism to run the charge back the other way.
Onward!!!!!
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)I want him in to gather more delegates and keep his message out there for as long as he can, to whoever he can...
Go Bernie!
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)it would be much easier to ignore him and his supporters in the event she chooses to drop out and has to be replaced.
They are fools. This is not the year for Establishment bullshit, forged out of the ruins of the Reagan years.
This is the year for something new. The American people will have it, even if it's name is Trump.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)If she has to drop out due to the ongoing criminal investigation by the FBI, they'd rather another corporate Third Wayer be able to swoop in and take her place.
I swear, I think the party would rather Trump win than allow the party to take the left, FDR turn is has so needed to do for a decade or better.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)of the past for a New Progressivism and New Populism. A New New Deal - that is exactly what is needed, and what the country is hungry for.
They could ride in like banshees on the winds of that political storm, but no, they'd rather lose in disgraceful, disgusting, old, vapid habits.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...then they should look forward to headlines about her winning states where they competed.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)katsy
(4,246 posts)Let everyone vote.
It's always one big long emergency election! Waaaaaa we must pivot or die! Our candidate so sucks she needs more fucking time to pivot waaaaa!
What HRC can't beat a narcissistic fucking racist? Thats scary! Or maybe the party bosses can pick 10 states that'll choose our nominee and see how well that goes.
Whiney shit.
Let everyone have their say. HRC can pivot now. No one is stopping her. Fucking babies. Feinstein is being manipulative.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)Tom Rinaldo
(22,912 posts)So what's wrong with this picture? Oh yeah, unlike in 2008 when those efforts to broker unification were being made, this is not post primary. In 2008 Hillary was still running full speed ahead at this stage.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)If by "democrats" one means actual voters and not the corporate shills who have infiltrated it.
bjo59
(1,166 posts)attempt to get Hillary to the position of being the only viable alternative to Trump. They need Hillary's descent in the polls to stop right now. This most certainly not the time for Bernie to hand it all over to the corporatists. And he's not going to do it no matter how much the corporate owned media and corporatist DNC harp away on it.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Barf.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)the DNC and it's cronies seem in an awful hurry here, if she's so got this why the rush?
jillan
(39,451 posts)Quit blaming her poll numbers on Bernie.