2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSo Obama is hororing the war criminal who is Hillary's mentor. Is it OK with "Progressive"?
The Obama administration is honoring Henry Kissinger today. It shouldnt be.
http://www.vox.com/2016/5/9/11640562/kissinger-pentagon-award
"The degree of micro-management revealed in Kissinger's memoirs forbids the idea that anything of importance took place without his knowledge of permission," the late Christopher Hitchens wrote in his book The Trial of Henry Kissinger. "Of nothing is this more true than his own individual involvement in the bombing ... of neutral Cambodia."
American bombs killed between 150,000 and 500,000 people in Cambodia. That created a swell of public support for Pol Pot and his communist Khmer Rouge rebels, who exploited popular anger at the bombings to seize control of the government in 1975. The Khmer Rouge then slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Cambodians and starved even more, ultimately killing at least a million people, about one-seventh of the country's population.
"Kissinger joked about the massacre of Bengali Hindus, and, his voice dripping with contempt, sneered at Americans who 'bleed' for 'the dying Bengalis," Princeton professor Gary Bass writes in a Politico Magazine piece. Bass suggests that Kissinger's policy was meant to maintain the alliance with Pakistan, which was an anti-communist bulwark in the region.
In 2014, newly declassified documents suggested that in the 1970s, Kissinger signaled to Argentina's right-wing military leaders that the US would not object to its plans to launch a 1976 crackdown on dissent that became known as the Dirty War which killed about 30,000 people.
The documents released in 2014 include an account, from then-US Ambassador to Argentina Robert Hill, of Kissinger's conversation with Argentine Foreign Minister César Augusto Guzzetti. Guzzetti, it seems, was afraid the crackdown would bring down pressure from the US on human rights but Kissinger told him that no such pressure would come:
On and on and on.... sea of blood...
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Third Way is dropping all pretense of opposing Republicans.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)In fact, it's clear that they want to become the New Republicans, or post partisans, or something. Either way, this is the present and future of our party.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Our current crop of DNC/DLC leaders love Big Banking.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)I'm growing weary of these disappointments.
GreenPartyVoter
(72,377 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)Just ....... why?? Kissinger is pure evil.
Califonz
(465 posts)Stephen Colbert danced in his office so he must be a cool guy.
Bohunk68
(1,364 posts)Bibi and Hillary.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)dchill
(38,465 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)riversedge
(70,182 posts)oasis
(49,370 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Great reply.
eridani
(51,907 posts)Mass murder of millions is jut a laff riot. We came, we saw, he died.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha carpet bombing hyuk hyuk ha ha ha
I mean, at least acknowledge the fucking underlying reality in question. (Not addressing you, of course)
Some real character on display. Real quality.
sigh.
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uponit7771
(90,335 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)lostnfound
(16,170 posts)and who lived through that era. Did you live through that era?
Huge fan of Obama here, but this is really disturbing.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)Paving the way to corporate profits through bombing people. It's sickening.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Kissinger would bomb people without any profit
pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Thanks in advance.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)She has accepted his advice as Secretary of State and she and Bill vacation with him.
He is one of the disgusting human beings in U.S. history. Spreading untold misery around the globe.Misery that reverberates to this day. Millions tortured and murdered.
Hillary Clinton has long invoked Henry Kissinger as a mentor her infamous emails show that they corresponded with some frequency when she was secretary of state. But using her connection to one of US politics elder statesmen to signal her power may be alienating more potential voters than its attracting.
She mentioned Kissinger during one recent Democratic debate, and rival Bernie Sanders brought up her apparent fondness for him at the last one, on Thursday night. I happen to believe that Henry Kissinger was one of the most destructive secretaries of state in the modern history of this country, he said, to massive applause.
His use of destructive alludes to the fact that many consider Kissinger a war criminal, most famously Christopher Hitchens, who, in a lengthy two-part article for Harpers in 2001 (later expanded into the book and documentary, The Trial of Henry Kissinger), laid out his case that Kissinger should be brought up on charges for war crimes, for crimes against humanity, and for offenses against common or customary or international law, including conspiracy to commit murder, kidnap, and torture.
Among Kissingers numerous offenses: as national security adviser, and later secretary of state to both presidents Nixon and Ford, Kissingers foreign policy views often held sway, from his backing of Operation Menu, the covert bombing campaign in Laos and Cambodia in 1969-70, to the disastrous attack on the Khmer Rouge in 1975 in the wake of the Mayaguez incident. As part of the CIAs larger plan to destabilize the Allende government in Chile, Hitchens argued that Kissinger was behind the kidnapping of Chilean general René Schneider, who was ultimately killed by his captors. Schneiders family even sued Kissinger for the murder, but to no avail.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/13/hillary-clinton-henry-kissinger-harms-her-campaign
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/02/hillary-clinton-kissinger-vacation-dominican-republic-de-la-renta
G_j
(40,366 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)marble falls
(57,063 posts)or the one kicking around the woods in Vermont in worn corduroys figuring out what he's going to do in Washington when he gets back after Christmas?
Decisions, decisions, decisions .....
jeff47
(26,549 posts)http://www.thenation.com/article/henry-kissinger-hillary-clintons-tutor-in-war-and-peace/
http://www.politico.com/blogs/democratic-debate-milwaukee-2016/2016/02/hillary-clinton-henry-kissinger-219183
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Why provide you anything - it will not change your support of Hillary.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Herman4747
(1,825 posts)...to get your vote at such a high level that__________[you fill in the blank].
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Obama did not need to do this. And I am extremely disappointed that he did. Obama is a smart man. He knows that Kissinger's war crimes have been verified multiple times and he has now shrouded himself with the burden of the tortured and disappeared.
Kissinger's reputation is, again, burnished against all evidence that he deserves nothing but shunning.
I share a collective cry with the survivors of his victims. This cannot be a good day for them. It has not been a good day for me and I can barely grasp their pain.
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)Autumn
(45,037 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)arikara
(5,562 posts)I wouldn't be able to type "honoring" and that war criminal's name in the same sentence either. He should be rotting in Guantanamo, not getting horored by frickin' democrats yet.
And I can't believe this op was alerted on for trashing democrats. Sheesh.
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)ReasonableToo
(505 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)has been threatened with his life, or his family's life while he is in White House. I do not understand why he can betray us so completely during his Presidency.....
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)than he had for Democratic icons like FDR and Robert Kennedy. That set off warning bells for me right away.
And later, he likened himself to a "moderate '80s Republican", although the policies he attributed to those beasts (what few of them were left by the '80s) were actually Democratic policies.
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)dflprincess
(28,075 posts)and that was years after Wellstone's death.
Along with his praise for Reagan that really gave me pause.
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)His speech was great and I was impressed with it. How terribly naive I was!
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)and you'll find stuff like this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4161487
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)And never a full quote.
I'm not sure I trust it. cali, who I respect greatly, distrusts the quote.
I know nobody cares what an anonymous internet poster like myself thinks, but I'm filing this under the "Hmmm" category -- I simply do not know how he characterized Wellstone.
dflprincess
(28,075 posts)Obama made the comment in an interview with Sirota that was published in "The Nation" - which is certainly a reliable source. The article is dated, but still a good read.
http://www.thenation.com/article/mr-obama-goes-washington/
[div class = "excerpt"]
Obamas deference to these boundaries was hammered home to me when our discussion touched on the late Senator Paul Wellstone. Obama said the progressive champion was magnificent. He also gently but dismissively labeled Wellstone as merely a gadfly, in a tone laced with contempt for the senator who, for instance, almost single-handedly prevented passage of the bankruptcy bill for years over the objections of both parties. This clarified Obamas support for the Hamilton Project, an organization formed by Citigroup chair Robert Rubin and other Wall Street Democrats to fight back against growing populist outrage within the party. And I understood why Beltway publications and think tanks have heaped praise on Obama and want him to run for President. Its because he has shown a rare ability to mix charisma and deference to the establishment.
dflprincess
(28,075 posts)I just logged in and found the response to my post - you saved me a Google!
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)I never knew about the "gadfly" comment. That is simply jaw-dropping
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)the deep powers in DC are very powerful. And remember all the "lapses" in security from the secret service ... I'm sure there were many other things we haven't even heard about.
dflprincess
(28,075 posts)is taken into a room and shown a film of the Kennedy assassination that the public has never seen -- one taken from an entirely different vantage point than the ones that are public?
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Certainly he was saying it before Hartmann did.
"Bill Hicks famously said that he had "this feeling" that whoever's elected president,
no matter what promises you make on the campaign trail - blah, blah, blah - when you win, you go into this smoky room with the twelve industrialist, capitalist scumfucks that got you in there, and this little screen comes down... and it's a shot of the Kennedy assassination from an angle you've never seen before, which looks suspiciously off the grassy knoll.... And then the screen comes up, the lights come on, and they say to the new president, 'Any questions?'
"Just what my agenda is.""
and...
dflprincess
(28,075 posts)I probably missed (or didn't remember) him giving credit to Hicks.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)The one they awarded to Henry Kissinger and Le Duc Tho. Le Duc Tho declined the prize he shared with Kissinger probably because he knew that North Vietnam was going to welch on the ceasefire deal. Kissinger went on to become involved with bloody Latin American coups and dictatorships.
lostnfound
(16,170 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)but shows us again, whose side he is on.
2banon
(7,321 posts)Redwoods Red
(137 posts)3hummingbirds
(58 posts)OMG say it isn't so!!!
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Did this even make national news today? If it did, I didn't see it.
Obama is DONE in my book. This is appalling, and there was absolutely no need to do this!
By Nixon's released documents it is now absolutely known that there is zero question that he and Kissinger scuttled a Viet Nam peace agreement that LBJ had already arranged, so that Nixon could get himself elected in 1968. Everybody who served in VN between 1968 and end of it DID NOT HAVE TO.
That includes my late husband who died of the aftermath of that war at the age of 57, after suffering with illnesses and surgeries beyond description since he was 33.
Kissinger is the most despicable of traitors, literally, and by doing this, Obama is an accessory after the fact. I hope they all go to a "special place in hell".
Before this, I was very disappointed in Obama. Now I fucking hate him. All of these fuckers in the "leadership" today disgust me. I have no words to even say what I think, none are adequate.
This tells me EXACTLY who the current leaders of this party are. Fear over the other guy is fucking Hillaryous. This bunch are in a whole different league.
Obama may as well posthumously honor Hitler next. That's the equivalent of what he has just done.
G_j
(40,366 posts)where war criminals are friends..
Matariki
(18,775 posts)or hold them hostage.
H2O Man
(73,528 posts)Water seeks its own level.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)I just - CANT. WRAP. MY. HEAD. AROUND. THIS.
It's as if he lost his mind and wanted to honor a Nazi but couldn't find any in the jungles they ran to or more likely are all dead, so he picked this slaughtering criminal as a consolation to prize!
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Even the ones who have claimed how they are not DNC and not DLC.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,660 posts)onecaliberal
(32,813 posts)kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)I'm done with our corporate warwhore republican lite party.
bjo59
(1,166 posts)Apparently many people couldn't care less about the horrors visited upon Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos (or Central America) back then nor the horrors visited upon the people of foreign countries today. If they even have any idea who Kissinger is, they do not perceive him as a war criminal. Basically, a huge portion of the American public just doesn't care at all what the US does to people abroad. Not one bit. Democrats might think they cared when they condemned the Bush administrations but not a peep from many of them during the Obama administrations. (To answer your question, of course it's not OK. It's repellent.)
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)Kissinger, who does not find room to mention East Timor even in the index of his three-volume memoir, has more than once stated that the invasion came to him as a surprise, and that he barely knew of the existence of the Timorese question. He was obviously lying. But the breathtaking extent of his mendacity has only just become fully apparent, with the declassification of a secret State Department telegram. The document, which has been made public by the National Security Archive at George Washington University, contains a verbatim record of the conversation among Suharto, Ford and Kissinger. "We want your understanding if we deem it necessary to take rapid or drastic action," Suharto opened bluntly. "We will understand and will not press you on the issue," Ford responded. "We understand the problem you have and the intentions you have." Kissinger was even more emphatic, but had an awareness of the possible "spin" problems back home. "It is important that whatever you do succeeds quickly," he instructed the despot. "We would be able to influence the reaction if whatever happens, happens after we return . If you have made plans, we will do our best to keep everyone quiet until the President returns home." Micromanaging things for Suharto, he added: "The President will be back on Monday at 2 pm Jakarta time. We understand your problem and the need to move quickly but I am only saying that it would be better if it were done after we returned." As ever, deniability supersedes accountability.
There came then the awkward question of weaponry. Indonesias armed forces, which had never yet lost a battle against civilians, were equipped with US-supplied matériel. But the Foreign Assistance Act forbade the use of such armaments except in self-defense. "It depends on how we construe it; whether it is in self-defense or is a foreign operation," Kissinger mused. (At a later meeting back at the State Department on December 18, the minutes of which have also been declassified, he was blunt about knowingly violating the statute. For a transcript of the minutes, see Mark Hertsgaard, "The Secret Life of Henry Kissinger," October 29, 1990.)
An even more sinister note was struck later in the conversation, when Kissinger asked Suharto if he expected "a long guerrilla war." The dictator replied that there "will probably be a small guerrilla war," while making no promise about its duration. Bear in mind that Kissinger has already urged speed and dispatch upon Suharto. Adam Malik, Indonesias foreign minister at the time, later conceded in public that between 50,000 and 80,000 Timorese civilians were killed in the first eighteen months of the occupation. These civilians were killed with American weapons, which Kissinger contrived to supply over Congressional protests, and their murders were covered up by American diplomacy, and the rapid rate of their murder was something that had been urged in so many words by an American Secretary of State. How is one to live with the shame of this? How is one to tolerate the continued easy and profiteering existence of such a man, who had no sooner left office than he went into business partnership with the same genocidal dictatorship he had helped arm and encourage? - http://www.thenation.com/article/kissingers-green-light-suharto/
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)Their lives don't register in most American's consciousness, including in the consciousness of many here on DU. It's sociopathic.
democrank
(11,092 posts)I guess war really IS peace.
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forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)I support both Hillary and Obama but I don't have to approve all the shit they support and this falls under "shit" to say the least. But this isn't a Hillary/Obama problem, this is an AMERICA problem that can only be solved by convincing Americans that there is a moral dimension to America's actions abroad.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)nemo137
(3,297 posts)Americans are too invested in the Empire. You don't get to be a leader unless you believe in the Empire (which Bernie, given his praise for Obama's smart wars and fairly-consistent support for interventionism, certainly does). It is one of the intractable problems in American politics, and it's why Kissinger is honored across the FP spectrum.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... should be able to point that anger towards something more useful than each other.
Like... getting an overwhemingly progressive congresss
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Opposing war criminals is not progressive anymore?
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Seriously.
TheKentuckian
(25,023 posts)choie
(4,107 posts)Have a moral and ethical backbone?? One more reason to be disgusted with Obama.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Dear President Obama you made me weep today. I admire you - please stop this right-wing pandering.
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)one after another during his eight years. We were so naive to place our hope on him but at least he was advocating for the progressive aspirations in the beginning. In contrast, Hillary advocates for the interest of Wall Street outright. I am afraid of damages Hillary could impose on our democracy.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)And we will have to find out how horrible having our first woman president can be. A Hawk owned by Corporations was not my dream for the first woman.
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)JEB
(4,748 posts)Kissinger???? WTF
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)JEB
(4,748 posts)My dog doesn't snarl at her shit but she knows an asshat when she sees one. Every tooth
bared and every hair along her spine stands straight up in the air.
JEB
(4,748 posts)kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)That old question? Which side are you on?
THIS is a clear answer.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Growing 20 medical marijuana plants for yourself is.
http://www.wptv.com/news/region-martin-county/stuart/stuart-woman-faces-10-years-in-prison-in-medical-marijuana-case
TheKentuckian
(25,023 posts)At some point one slides fully from amoral to actual immorality.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)Kissinger is another of your red herrings...he is a distinguished man...worked for mostly GOP type but has probably advised every president. I don't know how much of the stuff you post is true or just stuff you copied and pasted...seriously not interested enough to check. If Obama thinks he deserves praise then he deserves praise. I trust the president. I don't see the point of such posts.
roody
(10,849 posts)the human right to live for millions of people? That's being a Democrat?
as long as you have a sparkling "kindness and love" as your sig.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Henry Kissinger or CODEPINK: Whos the "Low Life Scum"?
Published on
Friday, January 30, 2015
by Common Dreams
byMedea Benjamin
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Alli McCracken, a peace activist with CODEPINK, shows former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger a pair of handcuffs during a protest at a Senate hearing on Thursday. If there was justice in this world, argue human rights activist, Kissinger would be in prison for his role in perpetrating war crimes as opposed to sitting before the Senate Armed Services Committee to offer his assessment of world affairs. (Photo: Courtesy of CODEPINK)
But if Senator McCain was really concerned about physical intimidation, perhaps he should have conjured up the memory of the gentle Chilean singer/songwriter Victor Jara. After Kissinger facilitated the September 11, 1973 coup against Salvador Allende that brought the ruthless Augusto Pinochet to power, Victor Jara and 5,000 others were rounded up in Chiles National Stadium. Jaras hands were smashed and his nails torn off; the sadistic guards then ordered him to play his guitar. Jara was later found dumped on the street, his dead body riddled with gunshot wounds and signs of torture.
Rather than calling peaceful protesters despicable, perhaps Senator McCain should have used that term to describe Kissingers role in the brutal 1975 Indonesian invasion of East Timor, which took place just hours after Kissinger and President Ford visited Indonesia. They had given the Indonesian strongman the US green lightand the weaponsfor an invasion that led to a 25-year occupation in which over 100,000 soldiers and civilians were killed or starved to death. The UN's Commission for Reception, Truth and Reconciliation in East Timor (CAVR) stated that U.S. "political and military support were fundamental to the Indonesian invasion and occupation" of East Timor.
If McCain could stomach it, he could have read the report by the UN Commission on Human Rights describing the horrific consequences of that invasion. It includes gang rape of female detainees following periods of prolonged sexual torture; placing women in tanks of water for prolonged periods, including submerging their heads, before being raped; the use of snakes to instill terror during sexual torture; and the mutilation of womens sexual organs, including insertion of batteries into vaginas and burning nipples and genitals with cigarettes. Talk about physical intimidation, Senator McCain!
More: http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/01/30/henry-kissinger-or-codepink-whos-low-life-scum
Octafish (54,331 posts)
8. ''The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves.''
"The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves... l don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist because of the irresponsibility of its own people."
-- Henry Kissinger on the US-backed coup d'etat in Chile.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Octafish/844
The life and death of Victor Jara a classic feature from the vaults
The Chilean singer Victor Jara was murdered in the country's military coup 40 years ago this week. This classic NME piece from 1975 taken from Rock's Backpages tells the tale of his death, and how the coup came to pass
"And I had to go through all these bodies trying to find Victor's body. And it wasn't there. Then I had to go up afterwards to the second floor of the morgue which was the offices, the administration. And here also in a long passage there were lines of bodies. And one of these I found Victor's body.
"I can tell you the state of Victor's body because he'd obviously been tortured. I mean his body was full of bullet wounds and he had a sort of tremendous hole in his right hip.
"His body was distorted and his hands were hanging from his wrists and I have this vision of Victor's hands that somehow they didn't belong to his body.
"At the same time he'd been beaten over the head and his head was all bloodied and full of bruises. But I don't know if it's any value to say that among all the bodies that I saw, all of whom had died violent deaths, Victor's had, even in death, an expression of rage, of defiance.
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/sep/18/victor-jara-pinochet-chile-rocks-backpages
AMY GOODMAN: Today we look at another September 11th. It was 40 years ago this week, September 11, 1973, that General Augusto Pinochet ousted Chiles democratically elected president, Salvador Allende, in a U.S.-backed military coup. The coup began a 17-year repressive dictatorship during which more than 3,000 Chileans were killed. Pinochets rise to power was backed by then-President Richard Nixon and his secretary of state and national security adviser, Henry Kissinger.
In 1970, the CIAs deputy director of plans wrote in a secret memo, quote, "It is firm and continuing policy that Allende be overthrown by a coup. ... It is imperative that these actions be implemented clandestinely and securely so that the USG [thats the U.S. government] and American hand be well hidden," unquote. That same year, President Nixon ordered the CIA to, quote, "make the economy scream" in Chile to, quote, "prevent Allende from coming to power or [to] unseat him."
After the 1973 coup, General Pinochet remained a close U.S. ally. He was defeated in 1988 referendum and left office in 1990. In 1998, Pinochet was arrested in London on torture and genocide charges on a warrant issued by a Spanish judge, Baltasar Garzón. British authorities later released Pinochet after doctors ruled him physically and mentally unfit to stand trial.
AMY GOODMAN: Just last week, the wife and two daughters of the legendary Chilean folk singer Víctor Jara filed a civil lawsuit in U.S. court against the former military officer they say killed Jara almost exactly 40 years ago. Víctor Jara was shot to death in the midst of the 1973 U.S.-backed coup. First his hands were smashed so he could no longer play the guitar, it is believed. Jaras accused killer, Pedro Barrientos, has lived in the United States for roughly two decades and is now a U.S. citizen. Jaras family is suing him under federal laws that allow U.S. courts to hear about human rights abuses committed abroad. Last year, Chilean prosecutors charged Barrientos and another officer with Jaras murder, naming six others as accomplices.
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/9/9/40_years_after_chile_coup_family
nationalize the fed (1,910 posts)
24. Which one would Hillary choose?
Hillary Clinton reviews Henry Kissingers World Order
By Hillary Rodham Clinton
Washington Post.com September 4, 2014
When Americans look around the world today, we see one crisis after another. Russian aggression in Ukraine, extremism and chaos in Iraq and Syria, a deadly epidemic in West Africa, escalating territorial tensions in the East and South China seas, a global economy that still isnt producing enough growth or shared prosperity the liberal international order that the United States has worked for generations to build and defend seems to be under pressure from every quarter. Its no wonder so many Americans express uncertainty and even fear about our role and our future in the world.
In his new book, World Order, Henry Kissinger explains the historic scope of this challenge. His analysis, despite some differences over specific policies, largely fits with the broad strategy behind the Obama administrations effort over the past six years to build a global architecture of security and cooperation for the 21st century.
During the Cold War, Americas bipartisan commitment to protecting and expanding a community of nations devoted to freedom, market economies and cooperation eventually proved successful for us and the world. Kissingers summary of that vision sounds pertinent today: an inexorably expanding cooperative order of states observing common rules and norms, embracing liberal economic systems, forswearing territorial conquest, respecting national sovereignty, and adopting participatory and democratic systems of governance.
This system, advanced by U.S. military and diplomatic power and our alliances with like-minded nations, helped us defeat fascism and communism and brought enormous benefits to Americans and billions of others. Nonetheless, many people around the world today especially millions of young people dont know these success stories, so it becomes our responsibility to show as well as tell what American leadership looks like.
...Kissinger is a friend, and I relied on his counsel when I served as secretary of state. He checked in with me regularly, sharing astute observations about foreign leaders and sending me written reports on his travels. Though we have often seen the world and some of our challenges quite differently, and advocated different responses now and in the past, what comes through clearly in this new book is a conviction that we, and President Obama, share: a belief in the indispensability of continued American leadership in service of a just and liberal order...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/hillary-clinton-reviews-henry-kissingers-world-order/2014/09/04/b280c654-31ea-11e4-8f02-03c644b2d7d0_story.html
Should Henry Kissinger Mentor a Presidential Candidate?
Published on
Friday, February 12, 2016
by Common Dreams
byMedea Benjamin
At the February 11 Democratic Debate, Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton had a spirited exchange about an unlikely topic: the 92-year old former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. Sanders berated Clinton for saying that she appreciated the foreign policy mentoring she got from Henry Kissinger. I happen to believe, said Sanders, that Henry Kissinger was one of the most destructive secretaries of state in the modern history of this country.
In one of Sanders rare outbursts of enmity, he added, I am proud to say that Henry Kissinger is not my friend. I will not take advice from Henry Kissinger. And in fact, Kissinger's actions in Cambodia, when the United States bombed that country, overthrew Prince Sihanouk, created the instability for Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge to come in, who then butchered some three million innocent people, was one of the worst genocides in the history of the world. So count me in as somebody who will not be listening to Henry Kissinger.
Clinton went on to defend Kissinger, using the example of China. His opening up China and his ongoing relationships with the leaders of China is an incredibly useful relationship for the United States of America, she insisted.
Sanders responded that Kissinger scared Americans about communist China, then opened up trade so U.S. corporations could dump American workers and hire exploited, repressed Chinese.
Full article: http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/02/12/should-henry-kissinger-mentor-presidential-candidate
Emails expose close ties between Hillary Clinton and accused war criminal Henry Kissinger
I greatly admire the skill and aplomb with which you conduct our foreign policy, wrote Henry Kissinger in a 2012 letter to the Honorable Hillary Rodham Clinton. The compliment was included as a handwritten postscript added to the printed letter.
Kissinger met regularly with Secretary Clinton, and applauded her hawkish foreign policy in a handwritten message
BEN NORTON AND JARED FLANERY
Kissinger is a friend, and I relied on his counsel when I served as secretary of state, Clinton revealed in the review. He checked in with me regularly, sharing astute observations about foreign leaders and sending me written reports on his travels.
http://www.salon.com/2016/01/12/emails_expose_close_ties_between_hillary_clinton_and_accused_war_criminal_henry_kissinger/
Greece, Cyprus, Sanders and Dignity
By Dimitris Konstantakopoulos
Source: Defend Democracy Press
April 16, 2016
But, in any case, the emergence, for the first time in many decades, in the United States, of a strong public opinion current, opposing the omnipotence of the financial capital and the neoliberal economic model, a model already evolving into a kind of destructive capitalism, is something that should attract the attention of any thinking person on the planet. This is even truer for Greeks in Greece, in Cyprus and throughout the world, given that we are at the forefront of the attack launched by the forces of the Finance and that our nations very existence and dignity are threatened by them. I wonder what we are waiting for, like the Rayahs of our history, before we finally decide to react. Are we going to wait until we become another Syria (in our case, by the use of economic and political methods) or until Greece is totally squashed and Cyprus is fully taken apart through a new Annan plan (as they already plan to do right after the Cypriot parliamentary elections)? It will be very late by then.
And yet, here we have, in the most powerful country in the world, a politician who, repeatedly and of his own accord, guided only by his political ideas and beliefs, has defended Greece in a way that no Greek politician has ever done, without expecting anything in return. By exposing the international financial system and the dreadful attack it unleashed against Greece, first directly and then by manipulating, in partnership with the German government, the rest of Europe to follow suit (1). But we, on our part, we remain simply indifferent to what is happening in the States with Sanders. Is there any chance that we will manage to save ourselves in this way? Absolutely no chance!
A particularly ironic and tragic aspect of the story is that Sanders strongly criticised Hillary Clinton for her statement characterising Henry Kissinger as her mentor. Kissinger is one of the most destructive figures in American history said Sanders (5).
Kissinger is not just any random person in the history of Cyprus. He is in fact the perpetrator of the crimes committed against Cyprus, the organiser of the coup there in 1974, of the attempted murder of Archbishop Makarios and of the ensuing Turkish invasion which ensued. (4) How could it ever be possible that Greeks would support the self-proclaimed student of Kissinger against the one who criticises him? We are lost for words..
Full article: https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/greece-cyprus-sanders-and-dignity/
Pilger - From Pol Pot to ISIS: The blood never dried
John Pilger
16 November 2015
Following the ISIS outrages in Beirut and Paris, John Pilger updates this prescient essay on the root causes of terrorism and what we can do about it.
According to Pol Pot, his movement had consisted of "fewer than 5,000 poorly armed guerrillas uncertain about their strategy, tactics, loyalty and leaders". Once Nixon's and Kissinger's B-52 bombers had gone to work as part of "Operation Menu", the west's ultimate demon could not believe his luck. The Americans dropped the equivalent of five Hiroshimas on rural Cambodia during 1969-73. They leveled village after village, returning to bomb the rubble and corpses. The craters left giant necklaces of carnage, still visible from the air. The terror was unimaginable. A former Khmer Rouge official described how the survivors "froze up and they would wander around mute for three or four days. Terrified and half-crazy, the people were ready to believe what they were told... That was what made it so easy for the Khmer Rouge to win the people over." A Finnish Government Commission of Inquiry estimated that 600,000 Cambodians died in the ensuing civil war and described the bombing as the "first stage in a decade of genocide". What Nixon and Kissinger began, Pol Pot, their beneficiary, completed. Under their bombs, the Khmer Rouge grew to a formidable army of 200,000.
ISIS has a similar past and present. By most scholarly measure, Bush and Blair's invasion of Iraq in 2003 led to the deaths of at least 700,000 people - in a country that had no history of jihadism. The Kurds had done territorial and political deals; Sunni and Shia had class and sectarian differences, but they were at peace; intermarriage was common. Three years before the invasion, I drove the length of Iraq without fear. On the way I met people proud, above all, to be Iraqis, the heirs of a civilization that seemed, for them, a presence.
Bush and Blair blew all this to bits. Iraq is now a nest of jihadism. Al-Qaeda - like Pol Pot's "jihadists" - seized the opportunity provided by the onslaught of 'Shock and Awe' and the civil war that followed. "Rebel" Syria offered even greater rewards, with CIA and Gulf state ratlines of weapons, logistics and money running through Turkey. The arrival of foreign recruits was inevitable. A former British ambassador, Oliver Miles, wrote, "The [Cameron] government seems to be following the example of Tony Blair, who ignored consistent advice from the Foreign Office, MI5 and MI6 that our Middle East policy - and in particular our Middle East
Full article: http://johnpilger.com/articles/from-pol-pot-to-isis-the-blood-never-dried
Ken Burch (41,182 posts)
This final message, from one of those affected by Henry Kissinger's "liberal" worldview:
(These are the last words Victor ever wrote, after being arrested for singing truth by the Kissinger imposed military junta that replaced the democratic socialist government led by Salvador Allende in September of 1973-Chile's 9/11.....the poem ends abruptly, as the soldiers take Victor away to beat and torture him to death-a task they spent two days completing. he was also making a tune for the song at the moment the guards lead him off).
(on edit: The words are being read on the recording by Adrian Mitchell, who would later be the Poet Laureate of Britain).
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511163652
Ichingcarpenter (36,626 posts)
5. Kissinger, Apartheid, Cuba and Steven Biko
Don't forget Kissinger REVERSED JFK's policies and for that matter LBJ's anti apartheid policies under Nixon
This one is documented too....... talk about a racist asshole.
Kissinger's 'Tar Baby' memo: http://www.vvaw.org/veteran/article/?id=1215
He also wanted to bomb Cuba for their support in Angola.
BBC : Henry Kissinger 'considered Cuba air strikes' in 1976
http://www.bbc.com/news/29441281
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1163802
America Keeps Honoring One of Its Worst Mass Murderers: Henry Kissinger
Including ten quotes that illustrate his megalomania and indifference to the deaths of untold numbers of civilians.
By Fred Branfman / AlterNet April 16, 2013
And his conduct raises even more fundamental questions: to what extent can leaders who act secretly ,illegally and unconstitutionally, lying to their citizenry and legislature as a matter of course, legitimately claim to represent their people? How much allegiance do citizens owe such leaders? And what does it say about Americas elites that they have honored a man with so much innocent blood on his hands for the past 40 years?
Mr. Kissinger's most significant historical act was executing Richard Nixon's orders to conduct the most massive bombing campaign, largely of civilian targets, in world history. He dropped 3.7 million tons of bombs** between January 1969 and January 1973 - nearly twice the two million dropped on all of Europe and the Pacific in World War II. He secretly and illegally devastated villages throughout areas of Cambodia inhabited by a U.S. Embassy-estimated two million people; quadrupled the bombing of Laos and laid waste to the 700-year old civilization on the Plain of Jars; and struck civilian targets throughout North Vietnam - Haiphong harbor, dikes, cities, Bach Mai Hospital - which even Lyndon Johnson had avoided. His aerial slaughter helped kill, wound or make homeless an officially-estimated six million human beings**, mostly civilians who posed no threat whatsoever to U.S. national security and had committed no offense against it.
There is a word for the aerial mass murder that Henry Kissinger committed in Indochina, and that word is evil. The figure most identified with this word today is Adolph Hitler, and his evil was so unspeakable that the term is by now identified with him. But that is precisely why it is important to understand the new face of evil and moral depravity that Henry Kissinger represents. For evil not only comes in the form of madmen dreaming of 1000 year Reichs. In fact, in our day, it is more likely to be committed by sane, genial and ordinary careerists waging invisible automated war in far-off lands against people whose screams we never hear, whose faces we never see, and whose deaths go unrecorded and unnoticed. It is critical to understand this new face of evil, for it threatens not only countless foreigners but Americans in coming years. And no one has embodied it more than Henry Kissinger.
The planes he dispatched came by day. They came by night. Remorseless. Pitiless. Relentless. Day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year. Most of the people below had no idea where the bombers came from, why their lives had been turned into a living hell. The movie "War of the Worlds", in which Americans are incomprehensibly slaughtered by machines is the closest depiction of what the innocent rice-farmers of Indochina experienced.
Hundreds of thousands of innocent human beings in Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam were forced to live in holes and caves, like animals. Many tens of thousands were burned alive by the bombs, slowly dying in agony. Others were buried alive, as they gradually suffocated to death when a 500 pound bomb exploded nearby. Most were victims of antipersonnel bombs designed primarily to maim not kill, many of the survivors carrying the metal, jagged or plastic pellets in their bodies for the rest of their lives.
Fathers like 38-year old Thao Vong were suddenly blinded or crippled for life as they lost an arm or leg, made helpless, unable to support their families, becoming dependent on others just to stay alive. Children were struck, lying out in the open, screaming, villagers unable to come to their aid for fear of being killed themselves. No one was spared - neither sweet, loving grandmothers nor lovely young women, neither laughing, innocent children nor nursing or pregnant mothers, not water buffalo needed to farm not the shrines where people had for centuries honored their ancestors and hoped one day to be honored themselves.
Full article: http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/america-keeps-honoring-one-its-worst-mass-murderers-henry-kissinger
The Trials of Henry Kissinger
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)many happy demons are appropriately furnishing his apartment there.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)Most don't. But you all have a bad habit of blaming underlings. Kissinger followed the policies of those he served. By all accounts he is a brilliant man. Obama admires him it seems. I have no problem with that.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Most mass murderers can be called 'brilliant' by those who don't give a single fuck about the millions their actions have caused such horrible, unspeakable suffering for.
I have a problem with anyone who supports a mass murderer.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)disillusioned is an understatement at this point.. I am happy to officially be an independent liberal here in PA...
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Or something...
kiva
(4,373 posts)good financial connections after he leaves office...guess legacy doesn't pay enough.
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)John Poet
(2,510 posts)ozone_man
(4,825 posts)Instead, he is one of Hillary's heroes.