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kgnu_fan

(3,021 posts)
Mon May 9, 2016, 09:50 PM May 2016

So Obama is hororing the war criminal who is Hillary's mentor. Is it OK with "Progressive"?

The Obama administration is honoring Henry Kissinger today. It shouldn’t be.
http://www.vox.com/2016/5/9/11640562/kissinger-pentagon-award


During the first stage of the bombing, from 1969 to 1970, Kissinger personally approved all 3,875 bombing raids, according to a contemporary Pentagon report.

"The degree of micro-management revealed in Kissinger's memoirs forbids the idea that anything of importance took place without his knowledge of permission," the late Christopher Hitchens wrote in his book The Trial of Henry Kissinger. "Of nothing is this more true than his own individual involvement in the bombing ... of neutral Cambodia."

American bombs killed between 150,000 and 500,000 people in Cambodia. That created a swell of public support for Pol Pot and his communist Khmer Rouge rebels, who exploited popular anger at the bombings to seize control of the government in 1975. The Khmer Rouge then slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Cambodians and starved even more, ultimately killing at least a million people, about one-seventh of the country's population.



He pulled the US consul general in Dhaka, Archer Blood, from his post for questioning the policy, and blocked efforts to pressure Pakistan (a US ally) to end its slaughter. The killing only stopped after India intervened to stop it; estimates of the death toll range from 300,000 to 3 million.

"Kissinger joked about the massacre of Bengali Hindus, and, his voice dripping with contempt, sneered at Americans who 'bleed' for 'the dying Bengalis," Princeton professor Gary Bass writes in a Politico Magazine piece. Bass suggests that Kissinger's policy was meant to maintain the alliance with Pakistan, which was an anti-communist bulwark in the region.




In 2014, newly declassified documents suggested that in the 1970s, Kissinger signaled to Argentina's right-wing military leaders that the US would not object to its plans to launch a 1976 crackdown on dissent that became known as the Dirty War — which killed about 30,000 people.

The documents released in 2014 include an account, from then-US Ambassador to Argentina Robert Hill, of Kissinger's conversation with Argentine Foreign Minister César Augusto Guzzetti. Guzzetti, it seems, was afraid the crackdown would bring down pressure from the US on human rights — but Kissinger told him that no such pressure would come:



On and on and on.... sea of blood...


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So Obama is hororing the war criminal who is Hillary's mentor. Is it OK with "Progressive"? (Original Post) kgnu_fan May 2016 OP
Good god... HooptieWagon May 2016 #1
They really are Hydra May 2016 #30
And as much as I hated Nixon, at least he hated the Big Banking Crowd. truedelphi May 2016 #51
I was hoping this was some sort of sarcastic joke. arcane1 May 2016 #2
As am I. GreenPartyVoter May 2016 #7
You can tell a lot about people by who they choose to pat on the back. nt cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #3
Sickening. polly7 May 2016 #4
But... but... Califonz May 2016 #67
Yes, and he has a disciple, twoooooooooooo. Bohunk68 May 2016 #74
President Obama has earned my respect for his judgement. Trust Buster May 2016 #5
You will certainly never earn mine. dchill May 2016 #20
Frankly Scarlett, I don't give a damn......LOL Trust Buster May 2016 #22
well said. riversedge May 2016 #32
Oh fiddle dee dee oasis May 2016 #49
HA! Cali_Democrat May 2016 #55
Yep. Amoral, sociopathic. eridani May 2016 #81
Team C scores! Take that, Team B! Warren DeMontague May 2016 #87
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #56
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #57
+1 uponit7771 May 2016 #59
Good one. leftofcool May 2016 #89
You mean with this particular move, or what? bvf May 2016 #82
No one has perfect judgment; the shock is that Obama is a person who READS lostnfound May 2016 #93
So weak. There is no excuse. Gregorian May 2016 #6
not true! MisterP May 2016 #97
Nothing Surprises Me Anymore pmorlan1 May 2016 #8
please provide some evidence that Kissinger was Hillary Clinton's mentor Lil Missy May 2016 #9
She has praised him many times vocally and via the written word. Luminous Animal May 2016 #16
Thank you. nt G_j May 2016 #42
thank you. Lil Missy May 2016 #72
Hmmmm ..... who do I want for POTUS .... the one paling around the 1% with Henry Freaking Kissinger marble falls May 2016 #133
Clinton calling Kissenger her mentor isn't enough evidence for you? jeff47 May 2016 #47
Hillary Admires Him and they Vacation Together. Silver_Witch May 2016 #65
it was a sincere question. And you're right, I still support Hillary. Lil Missy May 2016 #73
Yes, you set the moral standards a candidate must have... Herman4747 May 2016 #99
Not really - I just don't extrapolate facts into exponential hysteria to the point of ridiculous. Lil Missy May 2016 #108
That's disgusting. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #10
There are democratic countries that he cannot enter because he would be arrested on sight. Luminous Animal May 2016 #11
And this taints Democratic Party further.... totally smeared with blood. kgnu_fan May 2016 #31
After "We tortured some folks" nothing surprises me. Autumn May 2016 #12
no amount of evil the USA has done would surprise me Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #14
That was pretty jaw-dropping, wasn't it? Art_from_Ark May 2016 #23
"hororing" sounds about right. Kissinger makes me want to Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #13
I know, I was "horrified" while writing the word "honoring"....nt kgnu_fan May 2016 #18
a perfect Freudian slip Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #26
I can sure understand the typo arikara May 2016 #71
Alerted? For what? What is going on with people? kgnu_fan May 2016 #83
This should be unbelievable but sadly...end ReasonableToo May 2016 #15
I'll bet that Nobel Prize committee feels pretty stupid about now tularetom May 2016 #17
I miss Sanator Obama who was a "progressive" before he became President. I wonder if he kgnu_fan May 2016 #19
During the campaign, he had more praise for Reagan Art_from_Ark May 2016 #27
His image also was "managed" well, I guess. kgnu_fan May 2016 #28
He once referred to Wellstone as a "gadfly" dflprincess May 2016 #34
I did NOT know that! Wow, I am so disgusted with Obama now... I never knew....! kgnu_fan May 2016 #38
Do you have a link for that wellstone remark? That is shocking and offensive JonLeibowitz May 2016 #61
All you have to do is google "Obama" "Wellstone" and "gadfly" Art_from_Ark May 2016 #76
The only actual source I see is from Sirota JonLeibowitz May 2016 #78
Sirota has repeated the quote as recently as this past February in his Twitter feed dflprincess May 2016 #126
Thanks Art dflprincess May 2016 #124
Holy crap Art_from_Ark May 2016 #75
I'm sure he was threatened in some way Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #35
Isn't it Thom Hartmann who speculates that every president-elect dflprincess May 2016 #125
I think that originated with the late great comedian Bill Hicks Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #129
That is pretty much how Hartmann tells it dflprincess May 2016 #130
They also probably feel pretty stupid about the 1972 Peace Prize Art_from_Ark May 2016 #25
And the Pope probably isn't thrilled either... lostnfound May 2016 #94
Terrible, just terrible, sadoldgirl May 2016 #21
WTF??? 2banon May 2016 #24
Kissinger should be pilloried, not feted. Redwoods Red May 2016 #29
Kissinger 3hummingbirds May 2016 #33
What the everlasting fuck!!! Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #36
a whole different league alright G_j May 2016 #43
Sometimes I wonder if those Secret Service agents are really there to protect his family Matariki May 2016 #37
Recommended. H2O Man May 2016 #39
Yes it does. Obama, like Hillary, is a neocon and not a liberal in any way. haikugal May 2016 #46
Unless the ceremony is taking place in The Hague as a pretense to bring him to justice Dragonfli May 2016 #40
Nothing surprises me about any of the DNC/DLC Big Shots. truedelphi May 2016 #54
Jesus H. Christ, who's next - Dick Cheney? The Velveteen Ocelot May 2016 #41
Obama has completely sold out, what in the fuck is he thinking. onecaliberal May 2016 #44
Devastating.... something terrible must have happened to him! kgnu_fan May 2016 #45
They're all in it together. We are royally fucked as a country, beyond the point of no return. ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #48
Dinocons whatchamacallit May 2016 #50
It speaks volumes is what it does. bjo59 May 2016 #52
Indonesia / East Timor Ghost Dog May 2016 #80
Foreign lives and nations are the price of the US doing business, in most people's mind. cpwm17 May 2016 #84
Imagine....Henry Kissinger of all people. democrank May 2016 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #58
The old Democratic Party loved Kissinger's wars too. forjusticethunders May 2016 #86
For that you would need a moral leader Luminous Animal May 2016 #105
Cart before the horse nemo137 May 2016 #110
more privileged purism, the people who served.. no matter how horribly get these honors. You guys... uponit7771 May 2016 #60
.... JonLeibowitz May 2016 #62
Nope, not following a tradition of honoring those who served is NOT progressive though uponit7771 May 2016 #64
Pathetic. RiverLover May 2016 #85
Why? What does upholding some "tradition" have to do with being progressive? TheKentuckian May 2016 #100
Son of a bitch! Does any administration choie May 2016 #63
Please say this is an article from the Onion. Silver_Witch May 2016 #66
I still remember vividly the great speech he gave during the Denver convention. He broke his promise kgnu_fan May 2016 #117
I am actually terrified Hillary will win. Silver_Witch May 2016 #128
I know. People are asleep. Not paying attention. kgnu_fan May 2016 #131
Chile, Cambodia, etc....horrifying, sickening.....no words amborin May 2016 #68
I'd rather honor a putrid pile of dog shit. JEB May 2016 #69
Isn't that exactly what they're doing? farleftlib May 2016 #101
In my book, Kissinger is lower than dog shit. JEB May 2016 #109
True farleftlib May 2016 #112
O can honor Kissinger, but can't pardon Siegelman? JEB May 2016 #70
Priority totally upsidedown... kgnu_fan May 2016 #113
This is beyond belief. Kissinger? Why not honor John Wayne Gacy? His bodycount too low? mikehiggins May 2016 #77
Well she is a progressive. I know that because she said it. Perhaps Kissinger is too? (now) nt silvershadow May 2016 #79
Hey, Bombing a Million Cambodian Civilians isn't a serious crime. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #88
I didn't want to think this was real. Fucking pitiful and disgusting. TheKentuckian May 2016 #90
That's throwing Hillary a lifeline WhaTHellsgoingonhere May 2016 #91
That is what I thought.... kgnu_fan May 2016 #114
Yes don't care Demsrule86 May 2016 #92
How do you not care about respecting roody May 2016 #96
its ok Locrian May 2016 #102
Lol at a 'distinguished man'. What, for his love for death and suffering? polly7 May 2016 #106
Thank you. If there is a hell, A-Schwarzenegger May 2016 #118
I don't agree with Kissinger Demsrule86 May 2016 #121
Awww .... that's so kind of you. polly7 May 2016 #122
An thus my name.. disillusioned73 May 2016 #95
Will Hillary show up at the awards ceremony... Herman4747 May 2016 #98
I kind of wonder what the hell is wrong with him at times. (and this is one of them) pdsimdars May 2016 #103
Go Team Blue! ibegurpard May 2016 #104
So legacy is discarded in favor of kiva May 2016 #107
Kick! kgnu_fan May 2016 #111
Sad to see that no one has read all the details of the article. George II May 2016 #115
Denial of history brings repeated tragedy ... kgnu_fan May 2016 #116
Such as..... cali May 2016 #119
Detestable. John Poet May 2016 #120
He should have been tried for war crimes. ozone_man May 2016 #123
Awards for a War Criminal on a Dem's watch...Never thought I'd see it. EndElectoral May 2016 #127
Democratic party has beome a shodow Republican Party... sad. kgnu_fan May 2016 #132

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
30. They really are
Mon May 9, 2016, 10:43 PM
May 2016

In fact, it's clear that they want to become the New Republicans, or post partisans, or something. Either way, this is the present and future of our party.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
51. And as much as I hated Nixon, at least he hated the Big Banking Crowd.
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:15 AM
May 2016

Our current crop of DNC/DLC leaders love Big Banking.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
87. Team C scores! Take that, Team B!
Tue May 10, 2016, 07:03 AM
May 2016

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha carpet bombing hyuk hyuk ha ha ha



I mean, at least acknowledge the fucking underlying reality in question. (Not addressing you, of course)

Some real character on display. Real quality.



sigh.



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lostnfound

(16,170 posts)
93. No one has perfect judgment; the shock is that Obama is a person who READS
Tue May 10, 2016, 08:11 AM
May 2016

and who lived through that era. Did you live through that era?

Huge fan of Obama here, but this is really disturbing.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
6. So weak. There is no excuse.
Mon May 9, 2016, 09:57 PM
May 2016

Paving the way to corporate profits through bombing people. It's sickening.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
16. She has praised him many times vocally and via the written word.
Mon May 9, 2016, 10:18 PM
May 2016

She has accepted his advice as Secretary of State and she and Bill vacation with him.

He is one of the disgusting human beings in U.S. history. Spreading untold misery around the globe.Misery that reverberates to this day. Millions tortured and murdered.



Hillary Clinton has long invoked Henry Kissinger as a mentor — her infamous emails show that they corresponded with some frequency when she was secretary of state. But using her connection to one of US politics’ elder statesmen to signal her power may be alienating more potential voters than it’s attracting.

She mentioned Kissinger during one recent Democratic debate, and rival Bernie Sanders brought up her apparent fondness for him at the last one, on Thursday night. “I happen to believe that Henry Kissinger was one of the most destructive secretaries of state in the modern history of this country”, he said, to massive applause.

His use of “destructive” alludes to the fact that many consider Kissinger a war criminal, most famously Christopher Hitchens, who, in a lengthy two-part article for Harper’s in 2001 (later expanded into the book and documentary, The Trial of Henry Kissinger), laid out his case that Kissinger should be brought up on charges “for war crimes, for crimes against humanity, and for offenses against common or customary or international law, including conspiracy to commit murder, kidnap, and torture”.

Among Kissinger’s numerous offenses: as national security adviser, and later secretary of state to both presidents Nixon and Ford, Kissinger’s foreign policy views often held sway, from his backing of “Operation Menu”, the covert bombing campaign in Laos and Cambodia in 1969-70, to the disastrous attack on the Khmer Rouge in 1975 in the wake of the Mayaguez incident. As part of the CIA’s larger plan to destabilize the Allende government in Chile, Hitchens argued that Kissinger was behind the kidnapping of Chilean general René Schneider, who was ultimately killed by his captors. Schneider’s family even sued Kissinger for the murder, but to no avail.


http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/13/hillary-clinton-henry-kissinger-harms-her-campaign
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/02/hillary-clinton-kissinger-vacation-dominican-republic-de-la-renta

What Clinton did not mention was that her bond with Kissinger was personal as well as professional, as she and her husband have for years regularly spent their winter holidays with Kissinger and his wife, Nancy, at the beachfront villa of fashion designer Oscar de la Renta, who died in 2014, and his wife, Annette, in the Dominican Republic.

marble falls

(57,063 posts)
133. Hmmmm ..... who do I want for POTUS .... the one paling around the 1% with Henry Freaking Kissinger
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:42 PM
May 2016

or the one kicking around the woods in Vermont in worn corduroys figuring out what he's going to do in Washington when he gets back after Christmas?

Decisions, decisions, decisions .....

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
65. Hillary Admires Him and they Vacation Together.
Tue May 10, 2016, 01:03 AM
May 2016

Why provide you anything - it will not change your support of Hillary.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
99. Yes, you set the moral standards a candidate must have...
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:37 AM
May 2016

...to get your vote at such a high level that__________[you fill in the blank].

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
11. There are democratic countries that he cannot enter because he would be arrested on sight.
Mon May 9, 2016, 10:07 PM
May 2016

Obama did not need to do this. And I am extremely disappointed that he did. Obama is a smart man. He knows that Kissinger's war crimes have been verified multiple times and he has now shrouded himself with the burden of the tortured and disappeared.

Kissinger's reputation is, again, burnished against all evidence that he deserves nothing but shunning.

I share a collective cry with the survivors of his victims. This cannot be a good day for them. It has not been a good day for me and I can barely grasp their pain.

arikara

(5,562 posts)
71. I can sure understand the typo
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:02 AM
May 2016

I wouldn't be able to type "honoring" and that war criminal's name in the same sentence either. He should be rotting in Guantanamo, not getting horored by frickin' democrats yet.

And I can't believe this op was alerted on for trashing democrats. Sheesh.

kgnu_fan

(3,021 posts)
19. I miss Sanator Obama who was a "progressive" before he became President. I wonder if he
Mon May 9, 2016, 10:28 PM
May 2016

has been threatened with his life, or his family's life while he is in White House. I do not understand why he can betray us so completely during his Presidency.....

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
27. During the campaign, he had more praise for Reagan
Mon May 9, 2016, 10:39 PM
May 2016

than he had for Democratic icons like FDR and Robert Kennedy. That set off warning bells for me right away.

And later, he likened himself to a "moderate '80s Republican", although the policies he attributed to those beasts (what few of them were left by the '80s) were actually Democratic policies.

dflprincess

(28,075 posts)
34. He once referred to Wellstone as a "gadfly"
Mon May 9, 2016, 10:45 PM
May 2016

and that was years after Wellstone's death.

Along with his praise for Reagan that really gave me pause.

kgnu_fan

(3,021 posts)
38. I did NOT know that! Wow, I am so disgusted with Obama now... I never knew....!
Mon May 9, 2016, 10:51 PM
May 2016

His speech was great and I was impressed with it. How terribly naive I was!

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
78. The only actual source I see is from Sirota
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:59 AM
May 2016

And never a full quote.

I'm not sure I trust it. cali, who I respect greatly, distrusts the quote.

I know nobody cares what an anonymous internet poster like myself thinks, but I'm filing this under the "Hmmm" category -- I simply do not know how he characterized Wellstone.

dflprincess

(28,075 posts)
126. Sirota has repeated the quote as recently as this past February in his Twitter feed
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:56 PM
May 2016

Obama made the comment in an interview with Sirota that was published in "The Nation" - which is certainly a reliable source. The article is dated, but still a good read.

http://www.thenation.com/article/mr-obama-goes-washington/


[div class = "excerpt"]

Obama’s deference to these boundaries was hammered home to me when our discussion touched on the late Senator Paul Wellstone. Obama said the progressive champion was “magnificent.” He also gently but dismissively labeled Wellstone as merely a “gadfly,” in a tone laced with contempt for the senator who, for instance, almost single-handedly prevented passage of the bankruptcy bill for years over the objections of both parties. This clarified Obama’s support for the Hamilton Project, an organization formed by Citigroup chair Robert Rubin and other Wall Street Democrats to fight back against growing populist outrage within the party. And I understood why Beltway publications and think tanks have heaped praise on Obama and want him to run for President. It’s because he has shown a rare ability to mix charisma and deference to the establishment.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
35. I'm sure he was threatened in some way
Mon May 9, 2016, 10:47 PM
May 2016

the deep powers in DC are very powerful. And remember all the "lapses" in security from the secret service ... I'm sure there were many other things we haven't even heard about.

dflprincess

(28,075 posts)
125. Isn't it Thom Hartmann who speculates that every president-elect
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:45 PM
May 2016

is taken into a room and shown a film of the Kennedy assassination that the public has never seen -- one taken from an entirely different vantage point than the ones that are public?

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
129. I think that originated with the late great comedian Bill Hicks
Wed May 11, 2016, 08:01 AM
May 2016

Certainly he was saying it before Hartmann did.

"Bill Hicks famously said that he had "this feeling" that whoever's elected president,

no matter what promises you make on the campaign trail - blah, blah, blah - when you win, you go into this smoky room with the twelve industrialist, capitalist scumfucks that got you in there, and this little screen comes down... and it's a shot of the Kennedy assassination from an angle you've never seen before, which looks suspiciously off the grassy knoll.... And then the screen comes up, the lights come on, and they say to the new president, 'Any questions?'

"Just what my agenda is.""

and...

dflprincess

(28,075 posts)
130. That is pretty much how Hartmann tells it
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:58 PM
May 2016

I probably missed (or didn't remember) him giving credit to Hicks.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
25. They also probably feel pretty stupid about the 1972 Peace Prize
Mon May 9, 2016, 10:37 PM
May 2016

The one they awarded to Henry Kissinger and Le Duc Tho. Le Duc Tho declined the prize he shared with Kissinger probably because he knew that North Vietnam was going to welch on the ceasefire deal. Kissinger went on to become involved with bloody Latin American coups and dictatorships.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
36. What the everlasting fuck!!!
Mon May 9, 2016, 10:49 PM
May 2016

Did this even make national news today? If it did, I didn't see it.

Obama is DONE in my book. This is appalling, and there was absolutely no need to do this!

By Nixon's released documents it is now absolutely known that there is zero question that he and Kissinger scuttled a Viet Nam peace agreement that LBJ had already arranged, so that Nixon could get himself elected in 1968. Everybody who served in VN between 1968 and end of it DID NOT HAVE TO.

That includes my late husband who died of the aftermath of that war at the age of 57, after suffering with illnesses and surgeries beyond description since he was 33.

Kissinger is the most despicable of traitors, literally, and by doing this, Obama is an accessory after the fact. I hope they all go to a "special place in hell".

Before this, I was very disappointed in Obama. Now I fucking hate him. All of these fuckers in the "leadership" today disgust me. I have no words to even say what I think, none are adequate.

This tells me EXACTLY who the current leaders of this party are. Fear over the other guy is fucking Hillaryous. This bunch are in a whole different league.

Obama may as well posthumously honor Hitler next. That's the equivalent of what he has just done.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
37. Sometimes I wonder if those Secret Service agents are really there to protect his family
Mon May 9, 2016, 10:50 PM
May 2016

or hold them hostage.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
40. Unless the ceremony is taking place in The Hague as a pretense to bring him to justice
Mon May 9, 2016, 10:54 PM
May 2016

I just - CANT. WRAP. MY. HEAD. AROUND. THIS.

It's as if he lost his mind and wanted to honor a Nazi but couldn't find any in the jungles they ran to or more likely are all dead, so he picked this slaughtering criminal as a consolation to prize!


truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
54. Nothing surprises me about any of the DNC/DLC Big Shots.
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:21 AM
May 2016

Even the ones who have claimed how they are not DNC and not DLC.

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
52. It speaks volumes is what it does.
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:19 AM
May 2016

Apparently many people couldn't care less about the horrors visited upon Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos (or Central America) back then nor the horrors visited upon the people of foreign countries today. If they even have any idea who Kissinger is, they do not perceive him as a war criminal. Basically, a huge portion of the American public just doesn't care at all what the US does to people abroad. Not one bit. Democrats might think they cared when they condemned the Bush administrations but not a peep from many of them during the Obama administrations. (To answer your question, of course it's not OK. It's repellent.)

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
80. Indonesia / East Timor
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:55 AM
May 2016
... General Suharto and his deputies made it fairly obvious that they wanted the territory but not the people. They came horribly close to succeeding in this foul design. Ever since, there has been an argument over the precise extent of US complicity with the 1975 aggression. It was known that President Gerald Ford and his Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger, were in Jakarta on December 6 of that year, the day before Indonesian air, land and naval forces launched the assault. Scholars and journalists have solemnly debated whether there was a "green light" from Washington.

Kissinger, who does not find room to mention East Timor even in the index of his three-volume memoir, has more than once stated that the invasion came to him as a surprise, and that he barely knew of the existence of the Timorese question. He was obviously lying. But the breathtaking extent of his mendacity has only just become fully apparent, with the declassification of a secret State Department telegram. The document, which has been made public by the National Security Archive at George Washington University, contains a verbatim record of the conversation among Suharto, Ford and Kissinger. "We want your understanding if we deem it necessary to take rapid or drastic action," Suharto opened bluntly. "We will understand and will not press you on the issue," Ford responded. "We understand the problem you have and the intentions you have." Kissinger was even more emphatic, but had an awareness of the possible "spin" problems back home. "It is important that whatever you do succeeds quickly," he instructed the despot. "We would be able to influence the reaction if whatever happens, happens after we return…. If you have made plans, we will do our best to keep everyone quiet until the President returns home." Micromanaging things for Suharto, he added: "The President will be back on Monday at 2 pm Jakarta time. We understand your problem and the need to move quickly but I am only saying that it would be better if it were done after we returned." As ever, deniability supersedes accountability.

There came then the awkward question of weaponry. Indonesia’s armed forces, which had never yet lost a battle against civilians, were equipped with US-supplied matériel. But the Foreign Assistance Act forbade the use of such armaments except in self-defense. "It depends on how we construe it; whether it is in self-defense or is a foreign operation," Kissinger mused. (At a later meeting back at the State Department on December 18, the minutes of which have also been declassified, he was blunt about knowingly violating the statute. For a transcript of the minutes, see Mark Hertsgaard, "The Secret Life of Henry Kissinger," October 29, 1990.)

An even more sinister note was struck later in the conversation, when Kissinger asked Suharto if he expected "a long guerrilla war." The dictator replied that there "will probably be a small guerrilla war," while making no promise about its duration. Bear in mind that Kissinger has already urged speed and dispatch upon Suharto. Adam Malik, Indonesia’s foreign minister at the time, later conceded in public that between 50,000 and 80,000 Timorese civilians were killed in the first eighteen months of the occupation. These civilians were killed with American weapons, which Kissinger contrived to supply over Congressional protests, and their murders were covered up by American diplomacy, and the rapid rate of their murder was something that had been urged in so many words by an American Secretary of State. How is one to live with the shame of this? How is one to tolerate the continued easy and profiteering existence of such a man, who had no sooner left office than he went into business partnership with the same genocidal dictatorship he had helped arm and encourage? - http://www.thenation.com/article/kissingers-green-light-suharto/
 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
84. Foreign lives and nations are the price of the US doing business, in most people's mind.
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:19 AM
May 2016

Their lives don't register in most American's consciousness, including in the consciousness of many here on DU. It's sociopathic.

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forjusticethunders

(1,151 posts)
86. The old Democratic Party loved Kissinger's wars too.
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:38 AM
May 2016

I support both Hillary and Obama but I don't have to approve all the shit they support and this falls under "shit" to say the least. But this isn't a Hillary/Obama problem, this is an AMERICA problem that can only be solved by convincing Americans that there is a moral dimension to America's actions abroad.

nemo137

(3,297 posts)
110. Cart before the horse
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:38 AM
May 2016

Americans are too invested in the Empire. You don't get to be a leader unless you believe in the Empire (which Bernie, given his praise for Obama's smart wars and fairly-consistent support for interventionism, certainly does). It is one of the intractable problems in American politics, and it's why Kissinger is honored across the FP spectrum.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
60. more privileged purism, the people who served.. no matter how horribly get these honors. You guys...
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:36 AM
May 2016

... should be able to point that anger towards something more useful than each other.

Like... getting an overwhemingly progressive congresss

choie

(4,107 posts)
63. Son of a bitch! Does any administration
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:49 AM
May 2016

Have a moral and ethical backbone?? One more reason to be disgusted with Obama.

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
66. Please say this is an article from the Onion.
Tue May 10, 2016, 01:06 AM
May 2016

Dear President Obama you made me weep today. I admire you - please stop this right-wing pandering.

kgnu_fan

(3,021 posts)
117. I still remember vividly the great speech he gave during the Denver convention. He broke his promise
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:48 PM
May 2016

one after another during his eight years. We were so naive to place our hope on him but at least he was advocating for the progressive aspirations in the beginning. In contrast, Hillary advocates for the interest of Wall Street outright. I am afraid of damages Hillary could impose on our democracy.

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
128. I am actually terrified Hillary will win.
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:06 PM
May 2016

And we will have to find out how horrible having our first woman president can be. A Hawk owned by Corporations was not my dream for the first woman.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
112. True
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:13 PM
May 2016

My dog doesn't snarl at her shit but she knows an asshat when she sees one. Every tooth
bared and every hair along her spine stands straight up in the air.

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
77. This is beyond belief. Kissinger? Why not honor John Wayne Gacy? His bodycount too low?
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:43 AM
May 2016

That old question? Which side are you on?

THIS is a clear answer.

TheKentuckian

(25,023 posts)
90. I didn't want to think this was real. Fucking pitiful and disgusting.
Tue May 10, 2016, 08:03 AM
May 2016

At some point one slides fully from amoral to actual immorality.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
92. Yes don't care
Tue May 10, 2016, 08:10 AM
May 2016

Kissinger is another of your red herrings...he is a distinguished man...worked for mostly GOP type but has probably advised every president. I don't know how much of the stuff you post is true or just stuff you copied and pasted...seriously not interested enough to check. If Obama thinks he deserves praise then he deserves praise. I trust the president. I don't see the point of such posts.

roody

(10,849 posts)
96. How do you not care about respecting
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:51 AM
May 2016

the human right to live for millions of people? That's being a Democrat?

polly7

(20,582 posts)
106. Lol at a 'distinguished man'. What, for his love for death and suffering?
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:17 AM
May 2016
“Control oil and you control nations; control food and you control the people.” Henry Kissinger


Henry Kissinger or CODEPINK: Who’s the "Low Life Scum"?

Published on
Friday, January 30, 2015
by Common Dreams

byMedea Benjamin

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Alli McCracken, a peace activist with CODEPINK, shows former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger a pair of handcuffs during a protest at a Senate hearing on Thursday. If there was justice in this world, argue human rights activist, Kissinger would be in prison for his role in perpetrating war crimes as opposed to sitting before the Senate Armed Services Committee to offer his assessment of world affairs. (Photo: Courtesy of CODEPINK)

A very angry Senator John McCain denounced CODEPINK activists as “low-life scum” for holding up signs reading “Arrest Kissinger for War Crimes” and dangling handcuffs next to Henry Kissinger’s head during a Senate hearing on January 29. McCain called the demonstration “disgraceful, outrageous and despicable,” accused the protesters of “physically intimidating” Kissinger and apologized profusely to his friend for this “deeply troubling incident.”

But if Senator McCain was really concerned about physical intimidation, perhaps he should have conjured up the memory of the gentle Chilean singer/songwriter Victor Jara. After Kissinger facilitated the September 11, 1973 coup against Salvador Allende that brought the ruthless Augusto Pinochet to power, Victor Jara and 5,000 others were rounded up in Chile’s National Stadium. Jara’s hands were smashed and his nails torn off; the sadistic guards then ordered him to play his guitar. Jara was later found dumped on the street, his dead body riddled with gunshot wounds and signs of torture.




Despite warnings by senior US officials that thousands of Chileans were being tortured and slaughtered, then Secretary of State Kissinger told Pinochet, "You did a great service to the West in overthrowing Allende."

Rather than calling peaceful protesters “despicable”, perhaps Senator McCain should have used that term to describe Kissinger’s role in the brutal 1975 Indonesian invasion of East Timor, which took place just hours after Kissinger and President Ford visited Indonesia. They had given the Indonesian strongman the US green light—and the weapons—for an invasion that led to a 25-year occupation in which over 100,000 soldiers and civilians were killed or starved to death. The UN's Commission for Reception, Truth and Reconciliation in East Timor (CAVR) stated that U.S. "political and military support were fundamental to the Indonesian invasion and occupation" of East Timor.

If McCain could stomach it, he could have read the report by the UN Commission on Human Rights describing the horrific consequences of that invasion. It includes gang rape of female detainees following periods of prolonged sexual torture; placing women in tanks of water for prolonged periods, including submerging their heads, before being raped; the use of snakes to instill terror during sexual torture; and the mutilation of women’s sexual organs, including insertion of batteries into vaginas and burning nipples and genitals with cigarettes. Talk about physical intimidation, Senator McCain!


More: http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/01/30/henry-kissinger-or-codepink-whos-low-life-scum

Octafish (54,331 posts)
8. ''The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves.''



"The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves... l don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist because of the irresponsibility of its own people."

-- Henry Kissinger on the US-backed coup d'etat in Chile.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Octafish/844


The life and death of Victor Jara – a classic feature from the vaults

The Chilean singer Victor Jara was murdered in the country's military coup 40 years ago this week. This classic NME piece from 1975 – taken from Rock's Backpages – tells the tale of his death, and how the coup came to pass

"We entered through a side door. Outside there were crowds of people waiting. They had lists on the door that said Body X, Mass Killing, with a number – this long list and occasionally a name. Then we entered an enormous room in the morgue which, I suppose, was a sort of hall, not the place where bodies are normally kept. And it was absolutely full of hundreds of bodies of people who had died violently. People of all ages. Mostly working people. Some very young. Some with their arms tied behind their backs still. And with terrible wounds.

"And I had to go through all these bodies trying to find Victor's body. And it wasn't there. Then I had to go up afterwards to the second floor of the morgue – which was the offices, the administration. And here also in a long passage there were lines of bodies. And one of these … I found Victor's body.

"I can tell you the state of Victor's body because he'd obviously been tortured. I mean his body was full of bullet wounds and he had a sort of tremendous hole in his right hip.

"His body was distorted and his hands were hanging from his wrists and I have this vision of Victor's hands that somehow they didn't belong to his body.

"At the same time he'd been beaten over the head and his head was all bloodied and full of bruises. But I don't know if it's any value to say that among all the bodies that I saw, all of whom had died violent deaths, Victor's had, even in death, an expression of rage, of defiance.


http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/sep/18/victor-jara-pinochet-chile-rocks-backpages


AMY GOODMAN: Today we look at another September 11th. It was 40 years ago this week, September 11, 1973, that General Augusto Pinochet ousted Chile’s democratically elected president, Salvador Allende, in a U.S.-backed military coup. The coup began a 17-year repressive dictatorship during which more than 3,000 Chileans were killed. Pinochet’s rise to power was backed by then-President Richard Nixon and his secretary of state and national security adviser, Henry Kissinger.

In 1970, the CIA’s deputy director of plans wrote in a secret memo, quote, "It is firm and continuing policy that Allende be overthrown by a coup. ... It is imperative that these actions be implemented clandestinely and securely so that the USG [that’s the U.S. government] and American hand be well hidden," unquote. That same year, President Nixon ordered the CIA to, quote, "make the economy scream" in Chile to, quote, "prevent Allende from coming to power or [to] unseat him."

After the 1973 coup, General Pinochet remained a close U.S. ally. He was defeated in 1988 referendum and left office in 1990. In 1998, Pinochet was arrested in London on torture and genocide charges on a warrant issued by a Spanish judge, Baltasar Garzón. British authorities later released Pinochet after doctors ruled him physically and mentally unfit to stand trial.

AMY GOODMAN: Just last week, the wife and two daughters of the legendary Chilean folk singer Víctor Jara filed a civil lawsuit in U.S. court against the former military officer they say killed Jara almost exactly 40 years ago. Víctor Jara was shot to death in the midst of the 1973 U.S.-backed coup. First his hands were smashed so he could no longer play the guitar, it is believed. Jara’s accused killer, Pedro Barrientos, has lived in the United States for roughly two decades and is now a U.S. citizen. Jara’s family is suing him under federal laws that allow U.S. courts to hear about human rights abuses committed abroad. Last year, Chilean prosecutors charged Barrientos and another officer with Jara’s murder, naming six others as accomplices.

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/9/9/40_years_after_chile_coup_family


nationalize the fed (1,910 posts)
24. Which one would Hillary choose?



Hillary Clinton reviews Henry Kissinger’s ‘World Order’

By Hillary Rodham Clinton
Washington Post.com September 4, 2014

When Americans look around the world today, we see one crisis after another. Russian aggression in Ukraine, extremism and chaos in Iraq and Syria, a deadly epidemic in West Africa, escalating territorial tensions in the East and South China seas, a global economy that still isn’t producing enough growth or shared prosperity — the liberal international order that the United States has worked for generations to build and defend seems to be under pressure from every quarter. It’s no wonder so many Americans express uncertainty and even fear about our role and our future in the world.

In his new book, “World Order,” Henry Kissinger explains the historic scope of this challenge. His analysis, despite some differences over specific policies, largely fits with the broad strategy behind the Obama administration’s effort over the past six years to build a global architecture of security and cooperation for the 21st century.

During the Cold War, America’s bipartisan commitment to protecting and expanding a community of nations devoted to freedom, market economies and cooperation eventually proved successful for us and the world. Kissinger’s summary of that vision sounds pertinent today: “an inexorably expanding cooperative order of states observing common rules and norms, embracing liberal economic systems, forswearing territorial conquest, respecting national sovereignty, and adopting participatory and democratic systems of governance.”

This system, advanced by U.S. military and diplomatic power and our alliances with like-minded nations, helped us defeat fascism and communism and brought enormous benefits to Americans and billions of others. Nonetheless, many people around the world today — especially millions of young people — don’t know these success stories, so it becomes our responsibility to show as well as tell what American leadership looks like.

...Kissinger is a friend, and I relied on his counsel when I served as secretary of state. He checked in with me regularly, sharing astute observations about foreign leaders and sending me written reports on his travels. Though we have often seen the world and some of our challenges quite differently, and advocated different responses now and in the past, what comes through clearly in this new book is a conviction that we, and President Obama, share: a belief in the indispensability of continued American leadership in service of a just and liberal order...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/hillary-clinton-reviews-henry-kissingers-world-order/2014/09/04/b280c654-31ea-11e4-8f02-03c644b2d7d0_story.html




Should Henry Kissinger Mentor a Presidential Candidate?

Published on
Friday, February 12, 2016
by Common Dreams

byMedea Benjamin

At the February 11 Democratic Debate, Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton had a spirited exchange about an unlikely topic: the 92-year old former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. Sanders berated Clinton for saying that she appreciated the foreign policy mentoring she got from Henry Kissinger. “I happen to believe,” said Sanders, “that Henry Kissinger was one of the most destructive secretaries of state in the modern history of this country.”

In one of Sanders’ rare outbursts of enmity, he added, “I am proud to say that Henry Kissinger is not my friend. I will not take advice from Henry Kissinger. And in fact, Kissinger's actions in Cambodia, when the United States bombed that country, overthrew Prince Sihanouk, created the instability for Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge to come in, who then butchered some three million innocent people, was one of the worst genocides in the history of the world. So count me in as somebody who will not be listening to Henry Kissinger.”

Clinton went on to defend Kissinger, using the example of China. “His opening up China and his ongoing relationships with the leaders of China is an incredibly useful relationship for the United States of America,” she insisted.

Sanders responded that Kissinger scared Americans about communist China, then opened up trade so U.S. corporations could dump American workers and hire exploited, repressed Chinese.

Full article: http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/02/12/should-henry-kissinger-mentor-presidential-candidate


Emails expose close ties between Hillary Clinton and accused war criminal Henry Kissinger



“I greatly admire the skill and aplomb with which you conduct our foreign policy,” wrote Henry Kissinger in a 2012 letter to “the Honorable Hillary Rodham Clinton.” The compliment was included as a handwritten postscript added to the printed letter.

Kissinger met regularly with Secretary Clinton, and applauded her hawkish foreign policy in a handwritten message

BEN NORTON AND JARED FLANERY

“Kissinger is a friend, and I relied on his counsel when I served as secretary of state,” Clinton revealed in the review. “He checked in with me regularly, sharing astute observations about foreign leaders and sending me written reports on his travels.”


http://www.salon.com/2016/01/12/emails_expose_close_ties_between_hillary_clinton_and_accused_war_criminal_henry_kissinger/


Greece, Cyprus, Sanders and Dignity

By Dimitris Konstantakopoulos
Source: Defend Democracy Press
April 16, 2016

Bernie Sanders represents a great hope for Greece and for the whole world. We do not know if he can win against Clinton in the race for the Democratic nomination. What’s more, we don’t know if he could ever be elected US president or what he would do if he is ever elected. Sanders, unlike our own Greek politicians – those unbelievable hijackers of the values Left has proclaimed and of the heritage of heroic struggles its partisans have given – has repeatedly said that he will not be able to do anything unless the people help him to do it. In fact, only the people can do something, with his help!

But, in any case, the emergence, for the first time in many decades, in the United States, of a strong public opinion current, opposing the omnipotence of the financial capital and the neoliberal economic model, a model already evolving into a kind of “destructive capitalism”, is something that should attract the attention of any thinking person on the planet. This is even truer for Greeks in Greece, in Cyprus and throughout the world, given that we are at the forefront of the attack launched by the forces of the Finance and that our nation’s very existence and dignity are threatened by them. I wonder what we are waiting for, like the Rayahs of our history, before we finally decide to react. Are we going to wait until we become another Syria (in our case, by the use of economic and political methods) or until Greece is totally “squashed” and Cyprus is fully taken apart through a new Annan plan (as they already plan to do right after the Cypriot parliamentary elections)? It will be very late by then.

And yet, here we have, in the most powerful country in the world, a politician who, repeatedly and of his own accord, guided only by his political ideas and beliefs, has defended Greece in a way that no Greek politician has ever done, without expecting anything in return. By exposing the international financial system and the dreadful attack it unleashed against Greece, first directly and then by manipulating, in partnership with the German government, the rest of Europe to follow suit (1). But we, on our part, we remain simply indifferent to what is happening in the States with Sanders. Is there any chance that we will manage to save ourselves in this way? Absolutely no chance!


Henry Kissinger – the “killer” of Cyprus

A particularly ironic and tragic aspect of the story is that Sanders strongly criticised Hillary Clinton for her statement characterising Henry Kissinger as her mentor. Kissinger is one of “the most destructive figures in American history” said Sanders (5).

Kissinger is not just any random person in the history of Cyprus. He is in fact the perpetrator of the crimes committed against Cyprus, the organiser of the coup there in 1974, of the attempted murder of Archbishop Makarios and of the ensuing Turkish invasion which ensued. (4) How could it ever be possible that Greeks would support the self-proclaimed student of Kissinger against the one who criticises him? We are lost for words..


Full article: https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/greece-cyprus-sanders-and-dignity/

Pilger - From Pol Pot to ISIS: The blood never dried

John Pilger

16 November 2015


Following the ISIS outrages in Beirut and Paris, John Pilger updates this prescient essay on the root causes of terrorism and what we can do about it.

As a witness to the human consequences of aerial savagery - including the beheading of victims, their parts festooning trees and fields - I am not surprised by the disregard of memory and history, yet again. A telling example is the rise to power of Pol Pot and his Khmer Rouge, who had much in common with today's Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS). They, too, were ruthless medievalists who began as a small sect. They, too, were the product of an American-made apocalypse, this time in Asia.

According to Pol Pot, his movement had consisted of "fewer than 5,000 poorly armed guerrillas uncertain about their strategy, tactics, loyalty and leaders". Once Nixon's and Kissinger's B-52 bombers had gone to work as part of "Operation Menu", the west's ultimate demon could not believe his luck. The Americans dropped the equivalent of five Hiroshimas on rural Cambodia during 1969-73. They leveled village after village, returning to bomb the rubble and corpses. The craters left giant necklaces of carnage, still visible from the air. The terror was unimaginable. A former Khmer Rouge official described how the survivors "froze up and they would wander around mute for three or four days. Terrified and half-crazy, the people were ready to believe what they were told... That was what made it so easy for the Khmer Rouge to win the people over." A Finnish Government Commission of Inquiry estimated that 600,000 Cambodians died in the ensuing civil war and described the bombing as the "first stage in a decade of genocide". What Nixon and Kissinger began, Pol Pot, their beneficiary, completed. Under their bombs, the Khmer Rouge grew to a formidable army of 200,000.

ISIS has a similar past and present. By most scholarly measure, Bush and Blair's invasion of Iraq in 2003 led to the deaths of at least 700,000 people - in a country that had no history of jihadism. The Kurds had done territorial and political deals; Sunni and Shia had class and sectarian differences, but they were at peace; intermarriage was common. Three years before the invasion, I drove the length of Iraq without fear. On the way I met people proud, above all, to be Iraqis, the heirs of a civilization that seemed, for them, a presence.

Bush and Blair blew all this to bits. Iraq is now a nest of jihadism. Al-Qaeda - like Pol Pot's "jihadists" - seized the opportunity provided by the onslaught of 'Shock and Awe' and the civil war that followed. "Rebel" Syria offered even greater rewards, with CIA and Gulf state ratlines of weapons, logistics and money running through Turkey. The arrival of foreign recruits was inevitable. A former British ambassador, Oliver Miles, wrote, "The [Cameron] government seems to be following the example of Tony Blair, who ignored consistent advice from the Foreign Office, MI5 and MI6 that our Middle East policy - and in particular our Middle East


The only effective opponents of ISIS are accredited demons of the west - Syria, Iran, Hezbollah and now Russia. The obstacle is Turkey, an "ally" and a member of Nato, which has conspired with the CIA, MI6 and the Gulf medievalists to channel support to the Syrian "rebels", including those now calling themselves ISIS. Supporting Turkey in its long-held ambition for regional dominance by overthrowing the Assad government beckons a major conventional war and the horrific dismemberment of the most ethnically diverse state in the Middle East.


More than 40 years ago, the Nixon-Kissinger bombing of Cambodia unleashed a torrent of suffering from which that country has never recovered. The same is true of the Blair-Bush crime in Iraq, and the Nato and "coalition" crimes in Libya and Syria. With impeccable timing, Henry Kissinger's latest self-serving tome has been released with its satirical title, "World Order". In one fawning review, Kissinger is described as a "key shaper of a world order that remained stable for a quarter of a century". Tell that to the people of Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos, Chile, East Timor and all the other victims of his "statecraft". Only when "we" recognise the war criminals in our midst and stop denying ourselves the truth will the blood begin to dry.


Full article: http://johnpilger.com/articles/from-pol-pot-to-isis-the-blood-never-dried


Ken Burch (41,182 posts)

This final message, from one of those affected by Henry Kissinger's "liberal" worldview:



(These are the last words Victor ever wrote, after being arrested for singing truth by the Kissinger imposed military junta that replaced the democratic socialist government led by Salvador Allende in September of 1973-Chile's 9/11.....the poem ends abruptly, as the soldiers take Victor away to beat and torture him to death-a task they spent two days completing. he was also making a tune for the song at the moment the guards lead him off).

(on edit: The words are being read on the recording by Adrian Mitchell, who would later be the Poet Laureate of Britain).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511163652

Ichingcarpenter (36,626 posts)
5. Kissinger, Apartheid, Cuba and Steven Biko

Don't forget Kissinger REVERSED JFK's policies and for that matter LBJ's anti apartheid policies under Nixon

This one is documented too....... talk about a racist asshole.

Kissinger's 'Tar Baby' memo: http://www.vvaw.org/veteran/article/?id=1215

He also wanted to bomb Cuba for their support in Angola.

BBC : Henry Kissinger 'considered Cuba air strikes' in 1976

http://www.bbc.com/news/29441281

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1163802



America Keeps Honoring One of Its Worst Mass Murderers: Henry Kissinger

Including ten quotes that illustrate his megalomania and indifference to the deaths of untold numbers of civilians.
By Fred Branfman / AlterNet April 16, 2013

Henry Kissinger's quote recently released by Wikileaks,"the illegal we do immediately; the unconstitutional takes a little longer", likely brought a smile to his legions of elite media, government, corporate and high society admirers. Oh that Henry! That rapier wit! That trademark insouciance! That naughtiness! It is unlikely, however, that the descendants of his more than 6 million victims in Indochina, and Americans of conscience appalled by his murder of non-Americans, will share in the amusement. For his illegal and unconstitutional actions had real-world consequences: the ruined lives of millions of Indochinese innocents in a new form of secret, automated, amoral U.S. Executive warfare which haunts the world until today.

And his conduct raises even more fundamental questions: to what extent can leaders who act secretly ,illegally and unconstitutionally, lying to their citizenry and legislature as a matter of course, legitimately claim to represent their people? How much allegiance do citizens owe such leaders? And what does it say about America’s elites that they have honored a man with so much innocent blood on his hands for the past 40 years?

Mr. Kissinger's most significant historical act was executing Richard Nixon's orders to conduct the most massive bombing campaign, largely of civilian targets, in world history. He dropped 3.7 million tons of bombs** between January 1969 and January 1973 - nearly twice the two million dropped on all of Europe and the Pacific in World War II. He secretly and illegally devastated villages throughout areas of Cambodia inhabited by a U.S. Embassy-estimated two million people; quadrupled the bombing of Laos and laid waste to the 700-year old civilization on the Plain of Jars; and struck civilian targets throughout North Vietnam - Haiphong harbor, dikes, cities, Bach Mai Hospital - which even Lyndon Johnson had avoided. His aerial slaughter helped kill, wound or make homeless an officially-estimated six million human beings**, mostly civilians who posed no threat whatsoever to U.S. national security and had committed no offense against it.

There is a word for the aerial mass murder that Henry Kissinger committed in Indochina, and that word is “evil”. The figure most identified with this word today is Adolph Hitler, and his evil was so unspeakable that the term is by now identified with him. But that is precisely why it is important to understand the new face of evil and moral depravity that Henry Kissinger represents. For evil not only comes in the form of madmen dreaming of 1000 year Reichs. In fact, in our day, it is more likely to be committed by sane, genial and ordinary careerists waging invisible automated war in far-off lands against people whose screams we never hear, whose faces we never see, and whose deaths go unrecorded and unnoticed. It is critical to understand this new face of evil, for it threatens not only countless foreigners but Americans in coming years. And no one has embodied it more than Henry Kissinger.

The planes he dispatched came by day. They came by night. Remorseless. Pitiless. Relentless. Day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year. Most of the people below had no idea where the bombers came from, why their lives had been turned into a living hell. The movie "War of the Worlds", in which Americans are incomprehensibly slaughtered by machines is the closest depiction of what the innocent rice-farmers of Indochina experienced.

Hundreds of thousands of innocent human beings in Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam were forced to live in holes and caves, like animals. Many tens of thousands were burned alive by the bombs, slowly dying in agony. Others were buried alive, as they gradually suffocated to death when a 500 pound bomb exploded nearby. Most were victims of antipersonnel bombs designed primarily to maim not kill, many of the survivors carrying the metal, jagged or plastic pellets in their bodies for the rest of their lives.

Fathers like 38-year old Thao Vong were suddenly blinded or crippled for life as they lost an arm or leg, made helpless, unable to support their families, becoming dependent on others just to stay alive. Children were struck, lying out in the open, screaming, villagers unable to come to their aid for fear of being killed themselves. No one was spared - neither sweet, loving grandmothers nor lovely young women, neither laughing, innocent children nor nursing or pregnant mothers, not water buffalo needed to farm not the shrines where people had for centuries honored their ancestors and hoped one day to be honored themselves.


Full article: http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/america-keeps-honoring-one-its-worst-mass-murderers-henry-kissinger




The Trials of Henry Kissinger




Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
121. I don't agree with Kissinger
Tue May 10, 2016, 08:49 PM
May 2016

Most don't. But you all have a bad habit of blaming underlings. Kissinger followed the policies of those he served. By all accounts he is a brilliant man. Obama admires him it seems. I have no problem with that.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
122. Awww .... that's so kind of you.
Tue May 10, 2016, 08:52 PM
May 2016


Most mass murderers can be called 'brilliant' by those who don't give a single fuck about the millions their actions have caused such horrible, unspeakable suffering for.

I have a problem with anyone who supports a mass murderer.
 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
95. An thus my name..
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:09 AM
May 2016

disillusioned is an understatement at this point.. I am happy to officially be an independent liberal here in PA...

kiva

(4,373 posts)
107. So legacy is discarded in favor of
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:19 AM
May 2016

good financial connections after he leaves office...guess legacy doesn't pay enough.

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