This election is not about YOU...

[Actor]

It doesnt matter if YOU are happy about Hillary, if Bernie loses.

It doesnt matter if YOU dont get single payer, at this time, or tuition free education.

At this time.

It is not about YOU.

sigh

Maybe it will make more sense coming from Bernie when he pleads with his supporters to show up and support the candidate.

[basselope]

1. Actually, it IS about me.

It's about what I think is the right or wrong direction for the country.

It's about whether I think this country can survive any center more right presidents pretending to be progressive, like the first Clinton or Obama.

This election is about what I think and how I choose to vote.

Just as it is for you..

[Actor]

2. That is what I was afraid of.

[basselope]

3. The real question is what do we fear more...

4 years of Clinton or 4 years of Trump?

[arcane1]

13. What you're afraid of is irrelevant. It's not about you n/t

[Actor]

14. But your feelings are hurt, so fuck everybody else, I know.

[arcane1]

15. It's hard going off script, isn't it? That's when the frustrated profanity comes out.

[Actor]

17. laughing while trump has his people prepare for mass deportations...

[arcane1]

19. "Step 3: bring in the fear of Trump when steps 1 & 2 fail."

[Art_from_Ark]

32. The two-legged critters lounging in the Animal Farm farmhouse are scary.

The four-legged critters hobnobbing with them are not.

Or is it the other way around?

[Live and Learn]

84. But it is NOT about you.

It doesn't matter if YOU are happy about Trump, if he wins.

It doesn't matter if YOU or your friends are deported.

At this time.

It is not about YOU.

[basselope]

22. Yes, it is. It is about MY vote.. thus about ME.

[dbackjon]

188. Don't bother with him

He is a trump plant.

[Actor]

189. There is a huge, multi hundred million dollar, over 25 year long right wing

conspiracy, a real one, designated solely to turning Hillary Clinton's name to mud.

[dbackjon]

195. It has been like that since the Clinton's took office.

[griffi94]

10. I agree with you

You have to be able to live with how you voted.

Given that Trump is an oaf who seems to repel
anybody who is even halfway serious I don't
think it will matter if the BoB people don't vote for Hillary
in the GE.

I would hpwever point out that should Trump get to pick
3 USSC justices then any progress at all is stymied for at least
20 years.

Reagan and the Bush administrations are why we have crap like CU now.

There wasn't a dimes worth of difference between Bush and Gore. Or so
said Ralph Nader.
But Gore wouldn't have given us Roberts and Alito.

As I said already. It's not relly going to matter.
Hillary is going to win in a landslide.

But it is at least one more angle to think about.

[basselope]

55. Sorry, but Hillary has no viable path to victory.

[griffi94]

85. So you say

But nothing in the real world supports that.

Hillary will be president.
Sorry if that bothers you.
I can see how that would be worrisome to hardcore left progressives
because they'll have to wait to get some of their issues addressed.

[basselope]

86. Any rational analysis supports that.

[griffi94]

87. Hahahaha

What rational analysis.
That you don't want her to win.

She out polls everybody and she's
trouncing Bernie head to head.

For 3 weeks the Bernie supporters have been posting poll after poll
showing the he does better against Trump.
But Hillary beats Trump as well.

No.
The analyisis suggests Hillary clobbers Trump.
It's really starting to seem like it's more sour grapes than anything.

But.
Even if she loses to Trump.
It's hers to lose. She dispatched Bernie and earned the nomination.

Try not to be bitter.
It's just politics.

[basselope]

91. She has no path to victory in the GE.

I have outlined the problem in several posts in what I see as an impossible task for Hillary to beat Drumpf.

First: The polling has been fairly, consistently WRONG in favor of Hillary and other establishment republicans. If you look at the vast majority of the polls on the democratic side, Bernie has FAR outperformed expectations.. most recently Indiana, where polling said he would lose by 6.8, but he won by 6. Indiana Republican polled Drumpf up by 10, but it was Drumpf by 17. PA had Drumpf by 21, but he won by 36. PA Dem had Hillary by 16, but she won by 12. Maryland had trump by 21, but he won by 36. Yes, there are some that got it right, but the MAJORITY had it very wrong and by large margins.

So why is this happening so often? It is because they are using MOSTLY LIKELY VOTER polls. However, because this election is about establishment vs anti-establishment (in both primaries) it is attracting people who don't qualify as "likely voters". These "unlikely voters" are people voting for the anti-establishment candidates.

Second: The GOP has spent the last 8 years making voting EXTREMELY DIFFICULT for democrats in some very key states (Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, etc..) They have perfected a strategy for suppressing the democratic vote (by reducing polling locations in urban areas, meaning long lines... voter ID laws, etc..) However, these conditions are friendly towards GOP voting areas (Suburbs or urban) where you don't have large crowds.

This means that for a democratic nominee to win, they need to inspire OVERWHELMING turnout. Not Obama 2012 numbers.. but Obama 2008 numbers. I think we can ALL agree that Clinton will be VERY VERY lucky if she even comes close to Obama 2012 numbers.


When you combine those two points, you realize these polls showing Clinton winning in states like Florida (RCP average of 5) Ohio (Clinton RCP average of + 3.5) North Carolina (RCP average of Clinton +3.3) Even Pennsylvania (an average of Clinton +7 ) aren't very safe numbers at all.

Combine the complete unreliability of the polls tilted against anti-establishment candidates (meaning Drumpf iis a hell of a lot closer than those polls show) along with voter suppression tactics which is sure to shave 2-3% off the democratic totals.. and you have a pretty clear Drumpf victory.

The "analysts" have been wrong this entire election season. Trump was NEVER supposed t win the nomination. Bernie wasn't supposed to even be competitive and coming from completely outside the party he's battled her to a near tie, despite her having a MASSIVE initial fundraising advantage. Now, you suddenly want to put stock in the analysts? Do you turn to Dick Chaney for your war advice?

[griffi94]

92. You've outlined either your fear

or your wishful thinking.

Trump is already losing moderate Republicans and the
GOP money donors.

Trump will bomb with women from both parties.
Also with POC.

You can't win with Angry white males.
If that wre so the Bernie would be winning.

Trump is the GOP nominee because too many people
stayed in the race to knock him out.

A current poll has Georgia and North Carolina in play.

I know it's a bitter bitter pill because with Bernies loss
hardcore progressives don't get very much.
But hardcore progressives aren't the majority.
If they were Bernie would have won.

So you can keep gloom & dooming it.
But I'd guess that at one point you thought Bernie had a chance.

The progressive colored glasses tend to make everything look worse than it really is.

[basselope]

108. You aren't paying attention.

The polling is skewed against anti-establishment candidates and has been wrong a vast majority of the time.

She doesn't have a path.

[griffi94]

109. I am paying attention

Hillary is winning.

See how easy that is.
No amount of hypothetical what ifs or if onlys
That's the domain of the Bernie fans.

The reality. Right now.
Hillary is winning. Period

[basselope]

114. Incorrect.

Hillary is NOT winning

See how easy that is.
No amount of hypothetical what ifs or if onlys
That's the domain of the Hillbots.

The reality. Right now.
Hillary is not winning. Period.

[griffi94]

115. Hillary has destroyed Bernie

It's over.
He lost.

Go Hillary

[basselope]

116. LOL "destroyed"

Someone came in who was not a member of the party and battled the "favorite" the "inevitable" candidate to a virtual tie.

She squeaked by on early primaries and name recognition.

If that is all she could accomplish in the democratic primary and given the current polling.. she has no viable path to the presidency.

She will not be president.

Sorry.

[griffi94]

117. Hillary will beat Trump easily.

She'll crush him the same way she crushed Bernie.

Sorry but Bernie lost.
The majority of voters didn't like him.
They considered him naive and unrealistic.

Go Hillary.

[basselope]

139. LMAO!!

The majority of voters don't like Hillary.

[griffi94]

141. Really?

They like her
3 million votes better than Bernie.

Feel the reality.
Bernie lost.

Hillary has hundreds more pledged deleagtes
and millions more actual votes.

Scoreboard.

[basselope]

142. In the 29% of the population that registers democratic.

She managed to squeak out a victory against someone who wasn't a member of the party.

She has no viable path to the presidency.

Feel the reality.

[griffi94]

143. Scoreboard

[basselope]

144. Reality.

[griffi94]

145. Oh Reality

Hillary. hundreds more delegates and millions more votes.

The reality of the scoreboard.

[basselope]

146. And no path to victory in the general election.

Reality.

[griffi94]

149. If so

President Trump.
Bummer but Oh well.
I survived 8 years of Bush.

[basselope]

150. Yes, that is the obvious result.

[griffi94]

151. Bummer

But oh well.
That's how Democracy works.
The one with the most votes wins.

I'll survive.

[basselope]

152. Incorrect.

The one with the most votes doesn't always win.

Just ask Al Gore.

It's because we don't live in a democracy.. but don't worry about reality, it has escaped you long ago.

[griffi94]

153. Oh well nothing to be done

Bummer
I'll survive

[basselope]

156. Maybe you will... maybe you won't.

I know my taxes will go down significantly.. so that's good.

[griffi94]

158. I'll be fine

you know discounting disease or bad accident.

The political situation won't be the cause of my demise tho.

And see you're already finding that silver lining.
Your taxes will go down.
Good for you.

[basselope]

159. Maybe you will... maybe you won't.

But, at least Clinton won't be president.

THAT'S a silver lining.

[griffi94]

160. See it's good to be optimistic like you are

You'll get lower taxes.

Congratulations.

[basselope]

162. It's just reality.

Neither optimism, nor pessimism. Just the way things are.

[griffi94]

163. It's lower taxes for you.

Good for you.

[basselope]

164. And remember, no Clinton!

[griffi94]

165. Sure whatever you say

Lower taxes tho right?

[basselope]

166. It's part of reality.

[Actor]

190. Trump will cause massive harm to most humans on earth, so maybe the goal for some

is to cause all that harm so we can start over?

Is that the goal?

[basselope]

192. Project Genesis?

It's not a "goal".. it's a reality.

Clinton has no path to victory, so if the democrats are going to mistakenly put Clinton as the nominee.. you have to prepare for President Trump.

[Actor]

193. I saw someone calling out GOP supporters here, they were banned. So I wont dare do it.

[basselope]

194. I'm not voting for Trump.

So I am not supporting the GOP candidate.

I am simply stating that Clinton has no viable path to victory b/c she loses all the key states.

So, the result of Clinton candidacy is President Trump.

[Juicy_Bellows]

129. Sorry to butt in but I wanted to say you're spot on - 100%.

[puffy socks]

128. Pffft

the desperation is clear. You haven't a clue how people will vote in the GE at this time.

Hillary is beating your candidate, that means she has a more viable path than Bernie does. Wishful magical thinking doesn't change that.

[basselope]

140. It's just reality.

[timmymoff]

138. Get to crackin' . we aren't trying to sell her to America

that's your job.

[YouDig]

34. So you're in the Trump camp because Hillary is too far right for you?

That's totally illogical.

[Fawke Em]

37. Um - not voting for Hillary or Trump means you're not in the Hillary or Trump camps.

Duh.

[Art_from_Ark]

80. Some people only think in binary

Everything is either 0 or 1-- can't be anything else.

[basselope]

57. Luckily, there are more than 2 choices.

However, it is certainly question which one is worse for the long term health of the country.

[YouDig]

60. No there aren't. Third parties have no chance.

It's Hillary or Trump.

[basselope]

70. But I don't have to vote for a republican...

So i won't be voting for either of those.

[YouDig]

71. You can vote for Hillary, or for Trump, or throw your vote away.

Anything but a vote for Hillary is utter stupidity.

[basselope]

74. I don't vote for Republicans.

I would be throwing my vote away voting for Hillary or Trump.

[YouDig]

76. Then easy, vote Hillary.

[basselope]

77. I don't vote for Republicans.

[YouDig]

78. Easy, vote Hillary.

[basselope]

82. I don't vote for Republicans.

How can I vote for Hillary if I don't vote for republicans???

[Contrary1]

94. Think it sunk in yet? n/t

[Art_from_Ark]

95. Hey, Hillary isn't a Republican

She just parties with them, plays lovey-dovey with them, shakes them down for campaign bucks, donations, and huge speaking fees, and includes many of them as her closest advisors. But, as Will Rogers might say, "She ain't no Republican! So there!... Of course, she's the closest thing TO a Republican... "

[dbackjon]

168. Clinton and Obama

Equality - Progressive
Environment - Progressive
Education - Progressive



There is a lot more about Clinton and Obama that are good than bad, and the alternative is horrifying.




My marriage is at risk because of SELFISH people like you.

[basselope]

170. Not progressive on any of those.

Nor is your marriage at risk.

[dbackjon]

175. Is Trump vowing to undo your marriage?

[basselope]

180. I am smart enough to know he lacks the ability to do so.

Clinton has been on as many sides of this issue as Trump has, so I don't trust her on it either, but similarly, she doesn't have the power to do anything about it either.

[dbackjon]

182. Well

Clinton has had the same evolution as Sanders on this

Trump has vowed to appoint SCOTUS Justices that will overturn equally


Again. Is Trump vowing to overturn your marriage?

[basselope]

183. No, Clinton didn't have the same evolution as Sanders.

Sanders voted AGAINST DOMA.. he campaigned in 1983 on banning discrimination. In 2009 he voted FOR the legalization of gay marriage, while Hillary was still against it.


Trump can't just put people on the court, there have to be openings.

[dbackjon]

185. In is incredible how badly some want to deny reality

There is likely to be 2-3 openings, based on age in the next 4 years.


Sanders ONLY voted against DOMA because he thought it was a state's rights issue - which is what bigots fall back on.


Clinton has been a firm ally of LGBT rights for decades.


Yes, they both evolved on gay marriage. Both opposed it for most of their lives. Both support it now.



The GOP still doesn't support it.


Seems so simple to understand. Yet many seem to have issues grasping it.






AND WILL YOU ANSWER the question>?




Actually, you don't have to. You are straight, and have nothing to worry about, so like always, LGBT rights don't matter, you can use your straight privledge to be all high and mighty, and say FUCK OFF to those that could actually be affected by this.

[basselope]

186. So many false statements...

There is likely to be 2-3 openings, based on age in the next 4 years. - False. The only seat in imminent danger of being filled is Scalia's, which if the GOP let it slide to the election (which they likely won't out of distrust of Drumpf) would replace an arch conservative with another one.. (ie, a wash). However, it is far more likely than not Merrick Gerard will be confirmed, b/c they know it is a wedge issue for the democrats. Either way.. this just isn't an issue.

Sanders ONLY voted against DOMA because he thought it was a state's rights issue - which is what bigots fall back on. - False.

Clinton has been a firm ally of LGBT rights for decades. - False

Yes, they both evolved on gay marriage. Both opposed it for most of their lives. Both support it now. - False http://www.queerty.com/5-times-bernie-sanders-was-championed-our-cause-before-it-was-popular-20160131

The GOP still doesn't support it. - So what?

So the answer to your question is simple. You assumptions are all patently false.

Finally... as for gay marriage, sorry, but I don't see much room between Drumpf and Clinton on this... they have both been "evolving" and given how quickly Drumpf shot down the North Carolina bathroom nonsense this isn't an important issue to him.

Gay marriage is the law of the land right now and even a new justice would have a very very VERY hard time overturning it b/c you can't unring those wedding bells that easily.

[dbackjon]

187. Then you are hopeless, and really have no business on this site

People like you make me fucking sick.




You are fucking clueless.



YOU DON'T KNOW REALITY.


YOU DON'T KNOW FACTS


EVERYTHING YOU TYPED ABOVE IS A FUCKING LIE.

[basselope]

191. No, its the truth.

And your all caps rage suggests that you know it is the truth.

Hillary is no friend to LGBT community and has spent the majority of her life fighting against them. Bernie is the opposite.

If LGBT issues is your cause... you can flip a coin between Trump and Clinton, because there is no clear cut difference. You have one candidate (Clinton) who has been on both sides of the issue and a long history of making false promises, not taking action and only going with "popular" paths and on the other hand you have Trump, who has no history and contradictory statements and actions, but is endorsed by the Log Cabin Republicans.

There are hundreds of other reasons not to vote for Trump, but this just isn't one of them.

Sorry, but you know its the truth.

[Katashi_itto]

4. I am not spending my vote on defective merchandise.

[Demsrule86]

24. Clearly you have an agenda

So sick of this sort of post...so take your vote and go home...same sort of thing in 08...thousands of Americans dead because of Nader and his crew helping to elect George Bush. I am sick of being blackmailed by Bernie supporters or GOP types pretending to be Bernie supporters ( no I am not calling you GOP; I have no idea who and what you are). No matter how much you threaten to withhold your vote or hint that Trump is your guy, Bernie is never going to be the nominee.

[Katashi_itto]

36. Yes I have an agenda. My agenda is not to vote for defective merchandise.

[Demsrule86]

44. You make very little sense.

But thankfully I believe there are enough of us to stop Trump and I am sick of being blackmailed by Bernie supporters...so take your vote and go home and do whatever you want.

[Katashi_itto]

47. Awww someone has a sad.

[mikehiggins]

103. Bush/GOre was 2000. Clinton/Obama was 2008. And there is no blackmail.

If we can't vote for HRC that is our right.

If that means Trump gets in, well, that was not our doing. The Third Way/DLC combine put one candidate up. The Rubes/Clown faction put up the other. If we don't have a candidate in the GE and decide not to vote on the top of the ticket, so be it.

Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.

Not that it matters in the long run. The water is rising.

[Demsrule86]

173. Oh please

It has been blackmail...see see the polls ...we won't vote for HRC...oh make Bernie the nominee...blah blah...so sick of the blackmail and it is blackmail.

[Demsrule86]

174. and you know

If you sit on your oh so pure derriere and allow Trump to win by not voting or voting for him,either way, it is your fault...all of you. You own the suffering and death he will cause.You own every pick he makes for the courts. Those of us who fight the good fight by working for the party, making phone calls and going out to talk to voters. Those of us who vote in order to stop the horror that a Trump presidency would bring to this country are not at fault. We have done our best, but you all have shown that you are indeed summer soldiers who because of bitterness over a primary lost the revolution.

[riderinthestorm]

178. It's a myth that Nader cost Gore the election. That's been thoroughly debunked.

http://disinfo.com/2010/11/debunked-the-myth-that-ralph-nader-cost-al-gore-the-2000-election/

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/6/1260721/-The-Nader-Myth

Gore even lost his home state TN. He refused to let Bill Clinton campaign for him in Arkansas and lost there too.

Gore's loss is entirely his fault. He ran a bad campaign and owns it entirely as will Hillary Clinton when she loses.

[CrispyQ]

5. I hope the ballot scanner can read my mark under the vomit spew. -nt

[Actor]

6. I have been liberal and around so long i am out of vomit, but i am not out of

desire to make sure the madmen dont take over

[Demsrule86]

25. I am with you

And I like Hillary. These folks are just mad because their candidate lost or they are trolls.

[Art_from_Ark]

46. So what would you call someone who laughs about the horrible death of a nation's leader?

Last edited Mon May 9, 2016, 10:57 PM - Edit history (1)

Or who laughs about a potential war with another country? Or who likes to hobnob with the "madmen" you so despise?

[Gregorian]

7. Bernie's platform is attractive to millennials because he targets climate change.

I hear what you said, because I agree. The Hillary supporters really like her, and for whatever reasons refuse to hear the truth about the state of affairs of OUR society, and care enough to do something.

But we all have to deal with species moving north, temperatures rising, waters rising (perhaps extremely fast), and shit like dramatic weather.

I'd laugh except I'm going down with them.

[Actor]

9. Nobody thinks Trump is better than Hillary on climate, nobody who knows anything.

Hillary is part of the party that accepts climate change as scientific fact.

I should not have to say another word.

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. Well her plan is not agressive enough

For the record, neither is his. But Sanders is a tad better.

As to Trump, he has none. But you know what? As politicized as this is. we could have James Hansen write the plan, it ain't gonna pass. Why? We are collectively in denial, and this is not limited to the US. It is the English speaking countries for the most part.

[msongs]

20. FREE stuff is what the millennials like to hear. climate change? not based on behavior. I don't

see many millennials giving up their cars, jet travel, or their electronic devices charged from coal and fracking derived electricity. and all their plastic devices made from petroleum. Or giving up their fish dinners.

[Gregorian]

27. I hear you, but not all of them.

My experience is there is serious concern among those who aren't goofing around. I see that too. Until this election, I had given up on them (and the rest of the human race).

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. Your disregard of the young

and their concerns is no longer surprising, For the record, that is not quite a liberal attitude to take. But it is very much a conservative, git off my lawn kind of talk.

[frylock]

51. FREE stuff is what the conservatives love to shout.

[SheenaR]

111. This is a failed understanding of that generation

Cut the free stuff shit out.

It's not free stuff. It's getting the things every major developed country already has as a BIRTH RIGHT.

We're the suckers who have been working for it and paying through our asses for it.

[bigwillq]

8. It's always about me.

And I will vote how I feel.

Thanks for your concern.

[pa28]

11. Hillary is quoted as saying you will never ever get single payer.

Hillary Clinton: Single-payer health care will "never, ever" happen

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-single-payer-health-care-will-never-ever-happen/

That's different from "not this time".

It's a significant landmark in policy. Not about you or me or anything personal.

[Actor]

12. I think that is not in context. I dont like her comment on this, but that is not in full context

[floriduck]

42. Then explain her context. I'm dying to hear that one.

[Demsrule86]

29. She actually fought for single payer and knows are tough it is.

And while we may get a public option...most voters don't want single payer... 60%-70 % have insurance at their jobs. I have always thought that was not a good system but there is very little chance of change at this point. Given time, I believe Obamacare will evolve into a single payer type system something like Switzerland where there are private insurers but they are regulated.

[Fawke Em]

40. WRONG.

Most people DO want single payer.

No wonder you people are voting for Hillary. You have no clue outside your bubbles.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/229959-majority-still-support-single-payer-option-poll-finds

[Demsrule86]

43. she was in charge of health care

And you post all the BS you want I remember the kitchen table commercials...and how people voted in the GOP congress as a result of that attempt...just as they did after Obamacare. You won't get single payer no matter who is elected, but we can improve Obamacare...baby steps.

[Art_from_Ark]

48. She was in charge of *secretive* health care meetings

No public input. The end result was 1000 pages of argle-bargle. That's what pissed a lot of people off.

[Fawke Em]

54. That was 20 years ago!

Times and people have changed. Hell, I was a kid just out of college back then.

[gollygee]

100. I think she means

That corporations will never allow it to happen in the US - not that she doesn't think it's a good idea, but that it is impractical.

Which is defeatist, but not anti-single payer.

Of course this is the biggest complaint a lot of Bernie supporters have about here - she's too willing to follow what corporations want and don't want. Whether she does that because she's friendly with them, or defeatist, doesn't change the effects of it.

[RiverNoord]

16. I agree.

I consider this election to have little to do with ME, although, in truth, I have as much of a stake in it as every other citizen of the United States of America.

What I do consider it to be about is the sort of future my younger family and friends will face. Will it be ugly, full of pain and strife, or, if enough people recognize the threats to the substance of our failing system of self-rule by representative democracy, which would hasten it to such a state, do we find that we are strong? Strong enough to stand up, squarely in the way of people and organizations that seek the rewards of conquest to be gained through our cheaply bought silence?

[TheFarseer]

18. So what's it about?

Picking someone that Europe and China will be happy about? Picking someone Chris Matthews and Rachel Maddow will be happy about? Picking someone Warren Buffet and Jack Welch will like? I could give a damn what "looks right" to someone else. What in the hell are you talking about?

[arcane1]

21. They haven't received the instructions for answering those questions yet n/t

[bigwillq]

33. Bwah

[Art_from_Ark]

49. Don't worry-- the Brock Brigade will come to the rescue

[ebayfool]

69. We have a new playah on the field ...

takes time to get up to speed, you know!

[Art_from_Ark]

75. I noticed that

Updating my Ignore list is like playing Whack-a-Troll

[dana_b]

147. What THEY want and/or HER

It's HER turn!

And to the OP - that was very obnoxious, rude and egotistical. You don't think it's about us but evidently it's all about you and what you want.

Ignored.

[TheFarseer]

161. I notice the OP never got back to me on that

Although I bet some of the Hillary people have me on ignore.

[GreatGazoo]

23. Your Dr Phil meets Spiderman thing isnt working

but it is oddly entertaining

[RadiationTherapy]

26. My family is drowning financially and we have three disabled family members who need our help.

Forgive me for being selfish and urgent.

[Demsrule86]

30. And I am here to tell you

Helping to elect Trump would hurt you and your family way worse.

[Art_from_Ark]

50. And how, exactly, would Trump hurt the other poster's family worse?

Please be specific.

One thing we do know, though-- Bernie would undoubtedly work to help people like that person's family. And like my mom.

[Demsrule86]

61. Let's see

If Trump wins, the GOP has all three branches of government and appoints all the SCOTUS nominees. The GOP has always wanted to get rid of disability ,Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid...that would hurt the poster...nothing to stop them. Healthcare gone, food stamps gone , not only would we not get free college but the loans go back to the bank ...count on it. We don't get any sort of minimum wage increase. In fact, the GOP abolishes minimum wage and child labor laws. Public school is decimated and wall street schools become the norm. All the progress made during the Obama years gone and a court that will keep this status quo for 20 years or more. This is assuming crazy Trump does not get us all nuked:endless war...only this time with a tyrant who is willing to use nukes. He also hates minorities and I shudder to think how he would 'deport' the undocumented. No more choice for women...as one who nearly died at the hands of a rightwing doctor during a miscarriage and who was left infertile as a result ...I consider that quite important. (no Bernie it is not a distraction) It is inconceivable to me that a Democrat would not see Trump as extremely dangerous.

[Art_from_Ark]

67. You realize that your candidate is a super war hawk, right?

She shilled for Bush's war in Iraq, she applauded "regime change" in Libya, she has pushed for a no-fly zone in Syria (and by extension, direct confrontation with Russia).

And if Hillary wins, she will in all likelihood not be able to gain many, if any, Congressional seats, just like her husband in '92 (he actually bucked the trend by winning the presidency but losing Congressional seats). Then in 2018, Hillary loses bunches of Congressional seats, just like her husband did in 1994 and like Obama did in 2010 and 2014. Hillary is NOT a fighter for the little guy-- in fact, she hates to be around the hoi polloi-- so don't expect her to put up any fight to protect those social programs you mentioned. In fact, her husband actually was working with Newt Gingrich to privatize Social Security in 1998, but got sidetracked by the Lewinski affair. That is one reason why Al Gore made the "Social Security lockbox" part of his 2000 platform, and why he wasn't too crazy about having Bill campaign for him.

As far as the Supreme Court goes, no one has any idea who Trump would appoint. He's not a teabagger like Cruz or a religious nut like Huckabee, and he's been all over the political spectrum-- even registering as a Democrat during the Bush 2 years. Hillary, on the other hand, receives a lot of advice from Republicans-- and if the Republicans still control both houses after 2016, especially the Senate, then she would undoubtedly appoint someone to the Supreme Court who would meet with the approval of Senate Republicans.

Really, after having been exposed to Hillary since the 1970s, I have ZERO confidence that she would stick her neck out for any of those issues or social programs you mentioned.

[Fawke Em]

52. Maybe not.

I think Hillary will be the one to cut Social Security by means-testing it. That will be the final nail in its coffin.

[creeksneakers2]

179. Do your families have Obamacare?

Eligible for Medicaid under the expansion? With Trump those things will cease to exist on the first day.

[AgingAmerican]

35. Yes, it's all about us

We are SICK of selfish, narcissistic candidates/politicians who believe the system exists to serve them personally

[Vote2016]

38. It's about Hillary unquenchable ambition vs Trump's unbound ego?

[farleftlib]

113. Superb summation

Short, sweet and spot on!

Lady Macbeth meets Napoleon. Can we exile both of them?

[LWolf]

39. It sure as hell is, at least in part.

It's not about Sanders. It's not about Clinton.

It's about the 99% that I am a member of.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

41. It's supposed to be about democracy where you vote for your preferred candidate.

Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost. John Quincy Adams

[NurseJackie]

118. If you think that the only way forward is to be as uncompromising as possible ...

"Democracy requires compromise, even when you are 100% right. This is hard to explain sometimes. You can be completely right and you still have to engage folks who disagree with you. If you think that the only way forward is to be as uncompromising as possible, you will feel good about yourself, you will enjoy a certain moral security, but you will not get what you want."

President Barack Obama

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

119. I'm perfectly willing to compromise.

I don't agree with Bernie on some things he said or done. But, I willing to compromise and vote for him under the premise that, as a progressive/socialist, he won't compromise for the sake of compromise if it's a bad deal.

I'm unconvinced that Hillary is of like mind.

[NurseJackie]

120. On the bright side, you've got some time before the General Election to ...

... think about it and to figure out what you will (or won't) be doing, and to come to terms with (or to justify) whatever that decision may be.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

124. Don't we all?

When it comes to a hypothetical like "what will you do if..." the best anyone can offer is speculation. Maybe/maybe not.

[insta8er]

45. Wow the most nonsensical thing I have ever heard.

I can now see what you are saying, this election is about what Hillary wants..not what we the people who elect her want. This however has been the thing for far too long. It is time the politicians do what WE THE PEOPLE want. I am sorry to see that some are conditioned to think it is the other way around. I am truly sorry for you, the oligarchs and their propaganda machine have done a terrific job (not!).

[DisgustipatedinCA]

53. I didn't know I was proxy-voting. On whose behalf am I casting my vote?

[HassleCat]

56. I am getting the feeling it is about me.

And others like me. People who hung in there with the party for years and years, hoping for some solid support for traditional Democratic values, hoping the party would repudiate the worst neanderthals, hoping for many things that never happened. And the party continually reminds us it's not about us, we don't get to impose our moral standards on the party, winning is what matters, and so on. So, yeah, I'm feeling it might, finally, after many years of sacrificing my own values, be about me. We'll see when the general election rolls around.

[Warren DeMontague]

58. Nah, it's about "Megachurch Moms"!

PIVOT! PIVOT! PIVOT!

[Matariki]

59. What the fuck is it about if not the people in this country?

What the hell is wrong with you Clinton supporters?

[Trajan]

62. Please explain better

What is it about?

[Ned_Devine]

63. Interesting

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[arcane1]

64. 'Twas a busy weekend indeed n/t

[Ned_Devine]

65. It's like they think we don't check these things

CTR spends a cool million to create online bullies and suddenly we see posters like this one. Are we not supposed to put 2 and 2 together?

[Buns_of_Fire]

66. Aw, c'mon guys, can't you hold your nose just ONE more time?

This'll be the last time, we promise. Pinky swear! I know that's what we say every time, but this time we really mean it! Honest! Just trust us one more time, and it'll all be better!

I'm sorry, but I'm all out of "one more time"s, emotional blackmail won't work, the boogeyman under the bed doesn't scare me, and I'm too damned old to be threatened. Besides, the whole mess is six months away, and I'll probably change my mind about how I'll handle it at least that many times between now and then.

So, I'm willing to wait a little while and see how it plays out.

[H2O Man]

68. Respectfully disagree.

[Autumn]

72. Wrong. It's all about me, my needs, my values and my vote.

[dflprincess]

73. And it's not about it being "Hillary's turn"

it's about us.

Would be nice if she thought of it that way once in a while.

[KPN]

79. You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!! It's about ALL OF US!!!!

That's why so many are supporting Bernie!!

[truedelphi]

81. You know what? When you add up all the many many "You's" who are totally pissed off

It does end up being about us "You's."

Let me show you the numbers, which lately I have been reporting incorrectly.

I was stating that based on Pew Surveys and a recent Gallup Poll, that only 34 to 36% of all registered voters claim to be Dem louyaliss.
While a mere 22% claim to be Republicans.

But I was wrong. In truth, the new numbers are something like Twenty Nine Percent of all registered votes are Democratic Loyalists who will accept any candidate with a "D" after the name no matter how corrupt.

And a mere 19% of all registered voters are Republicans. The Many "You's" who are totally fed up are now the majority.

Those of us who have caught on to the fact that BOTH PARTIES have screwed the middle class every which way for thirty years don't care that HRC has "served her Party well." The problem with HRC is that she and Bill have served mainly herself and her family and her buddies like Sid Blumenthal and Giustra.

You can dispute this majority that the "You's" now hold, and you can dispute anything else you want to dispute, all you want, but maybe it is time to wake up and smell the coffee that Bernie and us supporters of Bernie have made. The numbers are NOT THERE should HRC become the Party's nominee for the Highest Office in the land.

[matt819]

83. Oh good. Another brief lecture from the Hillary camp

On the one hand, the ejection for president is about the direction our country should be heading. In that respect, it's about us, not me or you. On the other, all politics is local. So how an election affects me is kind of what it's all about.

That said, I'm really more than fed up wit lectures from Hillary supporters. I will support Bernie through the convention, much like Hillary supporters backed her through the 2008 convention, which nominated Obama. And then, like Hillary supporters in 2008 with respect to Obama, I will then think about supporting Hillary

Moronic and insulting comments from new DUers or old do not help.

[uponit7771]

88. +1, but the privileged purist disagree

[Bluenorthwest]

98. If you were less surly and less prone to name calling you might not be so transparent

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=216668&sub=trans

[liberal_at_heart]

89. It's about my children and Hillary and all the rest of the Democrats will spend

trillions on war and tell my children there is no money left over for SSDI for my autistic son and no money for single payer or tuition free college for my daughter. We would have money for those things if we didn't spend so much damn money on war.

[ThePhilosopher04]

90. Of course it is.

[Matariki]

93. Actor

[VulgarPoet]

96. When I'm out of the military, I will at least be 50% disabled.

The diagnosis came back last week, so my time here isn't very long-- while luckily, the timeframe is looking to be before January, I can't trust that either candidate won't slash disability in the first place-- on top of the fact that the known devil is a warhawk with... Let's just say, her bread's buttered on the side of Kissinger and Bush donors now, and not just Wall Street. I'm not wasting my vote on someone who'll consign my brothers and sisters in arms to die in the Great Middle-Eastern Sandpit again.

[lostnfound]

97. Never been about me, I will do better personally under the corporatist hawk who protects wall street

It's my great great grandchildren who won't let me sleep, who come to me in my dreams...
And it's about the screaming of leftists being tortured in Latin America when our government supports oppressive rightwing dictators instead of democratic populists

Happy Kissinger Day

[liberalnarb]

99. Actually it is about me... and you and everyone else in the country. Its an election, its about US.

This post is just flat out wrong. The election is about the people and the people's interests. We look to our politicians to improve our situations. That is why WE VOTE. We don't vote just because we think that random person we've never met on our TV screens deserve a job. We vote for them because WE deserve jobs. What do you think politics are about???

[B Calm]

101. It's about my Democratic Party being taken over by republicans.

[djean111]

102. It is about my son and my grandson, and all of the people in the United States. And the world,

really - who knows where Hillary will decide to regime-change or "give the gift of Democracy" next?

It is about the people who cannot afford to use their mandated health insurance.
Sigh.

It is about the people who will lose their jobs due to corporate-written "trade" agreements.
Sigh.

It is about the people whose land and water are ruined by fracking.
Sigh.

It is about the children who get killed or maimed when they pick up cluster bombs.
Sigh.

It is about the people who depend on their Social Security in order to survive.
Sigh.

and much, much more. Sigh. Sigh. Sigh.

So no, it is not about ME, it is about US. Hillary is all about HILLARY and her 1% buddies.
I hope you did not join in order to post this stuff and think you had any effect whatsoever.

Trump vs Hillary - there is no good choice.

sigh. sigh. sigh. sigh. So very dramatic!

[dbackjon]

169. I am more worried about next year, or the next

When a Trump Supreme Court rules that my marriage is NOT a Constitutionally protected right.

When a Trump Cabinet starts selling off National Parks

When a Trump Congress ends the minimum wage

When a Trump Presidency invades Iran

When my Hispanic Husband is accosted for being an immigrant (he's not, but my mother-in-law is)

[tk2kewl]

104. Right!

It's about US!



Not HER

[One of the 99]

105. Thanks!

And you're right, it and all elections are about the future of our country.

[ieoeja]

106. Bernie supporters are misogynistic. DU told us so. Silly to ask us to vote for a woman now. n/t

[closeupready]

107. I'll make that decision for myself. The political is personal, the personal political.

[Orsino]

110. It ought to be about getting the change we need.

It ought to be about supporting an agenda, with or without a given candidate.

[nolabels]

112. Yea, It's not about me, thank god

but I will march in the streets with the rest of them when they demand that the shit needs to stop

Have a nice day

[Actor]

121. God help the human race if this attitude carries forward to November.

The good news will be the planet will rebound quickly after all life as we now know it is gone.

Narcissists will insist on that, especially the narcissist in chief, Trump.

[merrily]

154. You know Sanders would be better for the planet than Hillary, right?

[Actor]

155. Probably...and Trump would be ten times worse than both of them.

[merrily]

157. I haven't studied his positions, but thanks for changing the subject.

If Sanders is not your primary candidate, this thread is not about the planet. It's about Hillary, perioid.

[99Forever]

122. If you want my vote, it sure as fuck IS ABOUT ME.

Being a whiny Surrender Monkey doesn't cut it.

[Actor]

123. If I want your vote? Jesus, talk about proving my point that some of you are very selfish

and dont understand what your vote is. wow

[99Forever]

125. You don't know me.

Only a complete fool would pretend such utter fucking presumptuous bullshit as you just posted.

[Actor]

133. Dont be silly, I merely responded to what you said.

[99Forever]

167. No, you fucking presumed a bunch of shit about me without...

.. having a shred of knowledge as my thoughts. Back off, you're out of line.

[Actor]

171. And now we are hearing 40% of Bernie supporters will vote Trump in WV

Exit polls...

[99Forever]

172. Why the fuck are you telling me?

Their vote to do with as they choose. No one owes you, Debbie Downer WS, the neoliberal DNC, Hillary Goldman Sachs Clinton, or the entrenched Democratic establishment their vote. Period.

[Rass]

126. Bzzzt ...Wrong

it is all about the ISSUES.

[notadmblnd]

127. Well duh!

Why one would have had to spent the past 8 years in a cave to not know It's HER time.

[Bjornsdotter]

130. Nope

My vote...all mine to use any way I want.

[glowing]

131. Actually, this is about the only time it's about the citizen voter.

And many of us have seen her hawkish talks regarding Iran. I don't see engaging in more war something that is good for the country.

[highprincipleswork]

132. How would you like me to vote? For somebody else? Is that why so many people vote Republican when

it is clearly against their best interests? Is that why so many people vote for Hillary, even though they say they are "Progressive" and Bernie is more clearly a Progressive choice?

I vote very much for me, not how I'll be if I become devastatingly rich for instance.

My vote is very much about me, and I find it hard to vote for Hillary and easy to vote for Bernie. I look forward to having that chance in the CA primary. And I look forward to backing that vote up in whatever way I can, in the days, months, and years ahead.

This election is not about me? Is that how Hillary supporters make such a choice that seems clearly ill-advised to the rest of us. To think that your vote is not about you, your values, and what you hold dear is just a disconnect I will not ever entertain. That's what my vote is for, if it is for anything.

[timmymoff]

134. You do not get to define what the election is about.

Or how we perceive it. Unlike Hillary supporters we aren't into lock step support and ignoring transgressions. Bernie can suggest we support Hillary, some will many won't. You can only hope Bernie pleads and that it doesn't fall on deaf ears. Not as disrespect of Bernie's opinion , but disrespect of her supporters, and Her Flawed Corporateness. Bernie knows we think for ourselves and have many issues we support that attracted us to his candidacy. He also knows we just aren't that into her. He may have to plead because he can't sell us on her merits. Own it, and get busy you have a horribly flawed candidate to sell to America.

[Actor]

135. Remarkable.

[timmymoff]

136. Thank you

[aikoaiko]

137. Damn right. Its all about Hillary!

[dana_b]

148. the Queen, her crown and

her minions.

We peons shouldn't even be allowed to vote. That's what the DNC wants.

[Doctor_J]

176. It's also not about Hillary

Bernie's not going to plead with his supporters to vote for a de facto republican for president, and most of them won't do it. Hillary is part of what the fight is against.

[Actor]

184. You know, maybe this is the only way to resolve it in the long run.

Between outright racist moron assholes on one side and spoiled, whiny libertarians on the other side, you can elect Trump, and if the world doesnt end (it very well might) you can then destroy everything and start over.

You might be on to something.

[tularetom]

177. I guess your gonna have to report back to Mr Brock

That you couldn't get the job done.

Hope he don't withhold your pay.

[akbacchus_BC]

181. Sheesh, why do you think you need to lecture Americans. The population

will vote for the person who has their interests at heart.

This kind of lecturing is posturing and Americans do not need it! So quit whilst you are ahead!