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Sun May 8, 2016, 11:45 PM

 

Clinton disses Sanders 'not actual' grandchildren?

http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/01/did-hillary-clinton-just-take-a-strange-shot-at-be.html

Not sure if there's any other way to take this than as minimizing Bernie's love for his step-grandchildren.

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Reply Clinton disses Sanders 'not actual' grandchildren? (Original post)
beedle May 2016 OP
elleng May 2016 #1
silvershadow May 2016 #2
LineLineReply .
Maru Kitteh May 2016 #24
pat_k May 2016 #3
LisaL May 2016 #11
pat_k May 2016 #16
JI7 May 2016 #19
BernieforPres2016 May 2016 #38
JI7 May 2016 #4
pat_k May 2016 #17
JI7 May 2016 #22
pat_k May 2016 #23
Tarc May 2016 #5
KingFlorez May 2016 #6
Downwinder May 2016 #7
JI7 May 2016 #8
LisaL May 2016 #9
beedle May 2016 #45
Downwinder May 2016 #10
LisaL May 2016 #12
grossproffit May 2016 #13
Downwinder May 2016 #14
LisaL May 2016 #15
JI7 May 2016 #18
senz May 2016 #20
bjo59 May 2016 #21
grasswire May 2016 #26
Nyan May 2016 #28
DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #39
Betty Karlson May 2016 #25
Nyan May 2016 #27
merrily May 2016 #29
whistler162 May 2016 #30
cali May 2016 #31
Nonhlanhla May 2016 #32
beedle May 2016 #46
Nonhlanhla May 2016 #47
bemildred May 2016 #33
BernieforPres2016 May 2016 #36
bemildred May 2016 #37
Adrahil May 2016 #34
BernieforPres2016 May 2016 #35
Demsrule86 May 2016 #41
Demsrule86 May 2016 #40
moriah May 2016 #42
EndElectoral May 2016 #43
Jitter65 May 2016 #44
ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2016 #48
Zorra May 2016 #49

Response to beedle (Original post)

Sun May 8, 2016, 11:51 PM

1. Yes, of course,

January 15.

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Response to beedle (Original post)

Mon May 9, 2016, 12:21 AM

2. Classy or no? You be the judge. I already have. nt

 

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Response to silvershadow (Reply #2)

Mon May 9, 2016, 02:47 AM

24. .

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Response to beedle (Original post)

Mon May 9, 2016, 12:30 AM

3. I see no other way to interpret either.

"people talk about their extraordinary grandchildren, but I actually have one"

but = in contrast

"but I actually have one"

In contrast to

"people {who} talk about their extraordinary grandchildren."

Seems to me the only attribute she could be drawing a contrast with is "actually having."

I can't see it arising from any thought other than: "He doesn't even actually have any grandchildren."

I have trouble imagining the petty, disdainful, place such a thought would arise from, but that seems to be what she's saying.

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Response to pat_k (Reply #3)

Mon May 9, 2016, 01:17 AM

11. Well, you should look again.

It has absolutely nothing to do with Sanders grandkids.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #11)

Mon May 9, 2016, 01:34 AM

16. So, what is she contrasting "actually having" with?

How do you interpret the sentence?

What's she contrasting?

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Response to pat_k (Reply #16)

Mon May 9, 2016, 01:48 AM

19. she was joking about grandparents bragging about their grandkids

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Response to LisaL (Reply #11)

Mon May 9, 2016, 08:05 AM

38. Stop being an apologist for Hillary and hold her accountable

Surely you aren't the kind of person she is.

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Response to beedle (Original post)

Mon May 9, 2016, 12:35 AM

4. this was a joke about grandparents who think THEIR grandchildren are the best , and it's old, it was

posted before with some trying to make it into something it's not.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #4)

Mon May 9, 2016, 01:38 AM

17. A joke?

Talking about people who think they have extraordinary grandchildren, but don't "actually" have them?

There's a joke in there somewhere?

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Response to pat_k (Reply #17)

Mon May 9, 2016, 02:10 AM

22. the joke is every grandparent thinking their grandkid is something special , extraordinary and

better than other grandkids.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #22)

Mon May 9, 2016, 02:33 AM

23. Finally got it.

I get it now..."but I actually have one {an extraordinary grandchild}" vs. how I heard it "but I actually have one {a grandchild}.

Seems obvious now. Guess I'm too literal-minded.




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Response to beedle (Original post)

Mon May 9, 2016, 12:37 AM

5. Reeeeeaching....




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Response to beedle (Original post)

Mon May 9, 2016, 12:38 AM

6. Sanders lost

Stop digging up this old crap that was already argued about. It won't change the results.

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Response to beedle (Original post)

Mon May 9, 2016, 01:03 AM

7. So my extraordinary granddaughter,

on the honor role and lettering in four sports, is not my actual granddaughter because her mother was adopted? BS and that's not Bernie Sanders.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #7)

Mon May 9, 2016, 01:08 AM

8. she is your granddaughter, but she is not really extraordinary as there is only one extraordinary

grandkid and that is the clinton one.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #8)

Mon May 9, 2016, 01:16 AM

9. Exactly. It's a joke.

She is joking that her grandkid is extraordinary. It has nothing to do with Sanders grandkids.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #9)

Mon May 9, 2016, 11:36 AM

45. So she is just insulting everyone elses' grandchildren?

 

yeah, that's a real 'funny' joke.

Almost as good as "you're likable enough" .... anyone have the ability to start a pole? See which 'joke' people think is funniest?

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Response to JI7 (Reply #8)

Mon May 9, 2016, 01:16 AM

10. I think she is pretty extraordinary.

Doing all of this while dealing with her mother's death from cancer.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #10)

Mon May 9, 2016, 01:18 AM

12. That is the point of the joke.

Everybody thinks their grandkid is more extraordinary than everybody's else.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #10)

Mon May 9, 2016, 01:19 AM

13. Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry for your loss. You seem pretty extraordinary yourself.

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Response to grossproffit (Reply #13)

Mon May 9, 2016, 01:28 AM

14. No, I'm very ordinary.

I just object vociferously to any implication that adopted children are not really your children.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #14)

Mon May 9, 2016, 01:31 AM

15. It (the joke) has nothing to do with adopted children.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #10)

Mon May 9, 2016, 01:47 AM

18. i'm very sorry for your loss and especially for your grandchild

btw, my comment was not meant in a serious way but as a joke about grandparents who brag about their grandkid being the best. which is what the clinton comment was about.

had nothing to do with adopted or blood relations.

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Response to beedle (Original post)

Mon May 9, 2016, 01:54 AM

20. It was a cheap shot.

 

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Response to beedle (Original post)

Mon May 9, 2016, 02:05 AM

21. It was a little snarky, implicit comment. She can't help herself.

The thing that struck me was the comment about about how "we going to do everything we can to give her opportunities." That shouldn't be difficult. I'm sure many, many people without millions upon millions of dollars of wealth wish they could do more to give their children and/or grandchildren opportunities. Heck, I'm sure that the many, many people who have permanently lost gainful employment as a result of those trade agreements wish they could do more too. Hillary Clinton is incorrigible and always has been.

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Response to bjo59 (Reply #21)

Mon May 9, 2016, 04:03 AM

26. she hangs around with ugly tempered people.

Sidney "Vicious" Blumenthal has a long and awful reputation.

David Brock. The meanest of the mean.

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Response to bjo59 (Reply #21)

Mon May 9, 2016, 04:31 AM

28. "We're going to do everything we can to give her opportunities."

said like a true republican.

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Response to Nyan (Reply #28)

Mon May 9, 2016, 08:09 AM

39. My old man had a ninth grade education. My mom was placed in Rapid Advance and graduated ...

My old man had a ninth grade education. My mom was placed in Rapid Advance and graduated high school at 15. Rather than go on to college where anybody with a 151 I Q belongs she took a job as a bookkeeper to help support her mom who was widowed when she was nine months old and her younger brother.

Instead of doing everything they could to give me opportunities perhaps they should have just left me at a fire station immediately after birth.

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Response to beedle (Original post)

Mon May 9, 2016, 03:53 AM

25. I gues that shows her "support" for non-traditional families once more.

 

Praise Nancy.

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Response to beedle (Original post)

Mon May 9, 2016, 04:27 AM

27. Yes, she did.

I'm just surprised so many people failed to pick up on it.

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Response to beedle (Original post)

Mon May 9, 2016, 04:51 AM

29. Sanders' calls Jane's children his children, not his step children or his grandchildren.

When speaking, he makes no distinction whatever between Jane's kids and his one biological child. This is to his great credit. I have no idea what kind of person craps on something like that.

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Response to beedle (Original post)

Mon May 9, 2016, 05:18 AM

30. Well we know who won that weeks

Joe Biden Foot in Mouth Award.

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Response to beedle (Original post)

Mon May 9, 2016, 05:27 AM

31. Such bullshit. Embarrassing

 

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Response to beedle (Original post)

Mon May 9, 2016, 07:00 AM

32. Dear God

This thread is really jumping the shark. Hillary wasn't even talking about Bernie's grandkids. (Your "quoted phrase" in the title is misleading, by the way, since she did not use words of that kind, and did not even mention Bernie's grandkids). It's a proud-grandmother joke, that's all.

I know you folks hate Hillary, but this is really stretching things.

Lawdy, lawdy, lawdy.

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Response to Nonhlanhla (Reply #32)

Mon May 9, 2016, 11:39 AM

46. Oh, I get it

 

you mean like when Obama joked "you're likable enough" ... good point, I'll take Hillary's joke as lightheartedly as Hillary and her fans took Obama's joke.

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Response to beedle (Reply #46)

Mon May 9, 2016, 12:26 PM

47. Not quite the same kind of joke

I was an Obama supporter in 2008, and not even I liked his little "joke," since it was more like a jab. It was also obviously directed AT her. Hilary's little joke about how everyone thinks they have the greatest grandchild in the world, but she actually does, is not quite in the same league,: she was not even referring to Bernie's grandkids at all. It's the same kind of joke my own mother would make regarding her one and only grandchild.

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Response to beedle (Original post)

Mon May 9, 2016, 07:06 AM

33. It's an attempt at a joke, people need to lighten up.

She's not talking about Sanders all the time.

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Response to bemildred (Reply #33)

Mon May 9, 2016, 07:56 AM

36. You and the rest of the rest of the Hillary shills need to hold her accountable

instead of being apologists.

Her reference couldn't have been more clear. So she even did the research to know which of Bernie's children (including the adopted ones) are parents. I guess if Bernie didn't treat Jane's kids from her previous marriage as his own and their kids as his grandkids she would be happier.

Hillary is a sorry excuse for a human being and she can't avoid showing it.

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Response to BernieforPres2016 (Reply #36)

Mon May 9, 2016, 07:58 AM

37. I am more of a Bernie shill, but don't let that stop you. nt

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Response to beedle (Original post)

Mon May 9, 2016, 07:07 AM

34. No.... She didn't

 

You have to really WANT to be offended to see that kind of offense in that.

But these days, I guess CDS can be used to justify anything.

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Response to beedle (Original post)

Mon May 9, 2016, 07:53 AM

35. She can't hide what a vile excuse for a human being she is

So much for adopted children and unconventional families.

Yet another group thrown under the Hillary bus.

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Response to BernieforPres2016 (Reply #35)

Mon May 9, 2016, 08:16 AM

41. She did no such thing

But feel free to pretend ; it is all you have left while you wait for Bernie to officially lose.

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Response to beedle (Original post)

Mon May 9, 2016, 08:16 AM

40. You have to make stuff up now?

First of all, even the article which is from January does not say that. The author poses the question because Hillary talks about her grand-daughter..silly article. He is the quote.

"And I guess at the end of the day, for me—you know, people talk about their extraordinary grandchildren, but I actually have one—and we’re going to do everything we can to give her opportunities…"

GE is coming...and then we won't have such silly stuff posted about our candidate.

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Response to beedle (Original post)

Mon May 9, 2016, 08:55 AM

42. In January, and in context perhaps not.

She refers to Chelsea's daughter as "extraordinary" later on because of being the granddaughter of a President (having a high privilege level along with the blessing/curse of spending her entire life at least somewhat in the public spotlight) and says it's not enough that her own grandchild(ren, if Chelsea ever has more) will have every opportunity, but that every child should have equal opportunity to suceed.

And I think too many people are forgetting what are some of the biggest determinants as to what happens to your children and grandchildren. The first being what kind of country we are and whether we’re still providing the opportunities to realize your promise and potential and what kind of world’s going to be out there waiting.

And I feel passionately that just because we had it in the past, doesn’t mean we’re going to keep it in the future. You shouldn’t have to be the granddaughter of a former president to have your American Dream realized. I think every kid should have a chance to live up to her god-given potential.


In the video.

People so often forget, especially when suggesting she is underqualified to be President, that she spoke in front of the Senate long before Bill's inauguration. She was an interim Carter appointment to the Legal Services Corporation, and then went through confirmation at the start of the next cycle.

It's actually really amazing to me how the attacks have evolved over the years. From the first major hit piece about her, alleging she was this bitchy greedy unfeminine power-tripping ultra-liberal sabotaging Bill and the DLC's "51% strategy", to the attacks against her now, it seems that "bitchy greedy unfeminine power-tripping" stuck.

In particular they criticize her support for children to have legal rights and for teens to be under the rebuttable presumption, particularly in child custody and abuse/neglect cases, of competency to testify at trials involving issues key to their core selves. But the article (shortlinked to not give American Spectator better Google ratings) is worth a read to see her quotes they found so objectionable.

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Response to beedle (Original post)

Mon May 9, 2016, 09:52 AM

43. She knows what she's saying. It was just her snarky way of making a dig out of it.

I've met many of these kinds of people who use this verbal conceit of ridiculing but then when accused will either say "just kidding" or that someone is overreacting to an innocent remark.

She knows damn well what she's doing with this remark, and only someone so entrenched in her infallibilty would disagree. It is without question the purest example of snark.

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Response to beedle (Original post)

Mon May 9, 2016, 10:01 AM

44. Boy, Bernie supporters will reach for anything to slam Hillary. She never even came near to saying

 

what the OP says. It really is disgusting how anything Hillary says is used against her. It wasn't a shot at Bernie at all. She was explaining what a difference it has been in her own life and thinking to actually have a grand child.

How much more disgusting can folks get?

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Response to beedle (Original post)

Mon May 9, 2016, 12:29 PM

48. Wow, so now we're back to pre-Iowa mud slinging?

Labor Day cannot get here fast enough.....

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Response to beedle (Original post)

Mon May 9, 2016, 12:54 PM

49. She once (reputedly) authored a book "It Takes a Village, and Other Lessons Children Teach Us".

It appears that the title of the book is based on this old tribal adage:

"It takes a village to raise a child".

Seems she missed the point of the title of a book she (reputedly) authored.

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