It seems to me that Hillary is done

[hootinholler]

Paying lip service to the left. The hard shift rightward is upon her campaign, and IMHO a wee bit premature.

Good now the remaining primary voters will see the glorious truth of who she is, no matter what spiffy leather jacket she wears on Face the Nation.

[Renew Deal]

1. Evidence to support your first point?

[Armstead]

5. When she stops being so passionate about gun control, you'll know

[puffy socks]

78. So there is no evidence. nt

[kaleckim]

135. Well...

to anyone paying attention, she was only paying lip service to begin with. You are asking for evidence that the lip service has ended, and she basically said it during the town hall. She is also now reaching out to Bush's Wall Street backers and letting them know that she "shares their values" (well duh). She never stopped doing fundraisers with corporate lobbyists, is calling for a more "muscular foreign policy" (and seems keen on citing Kissinger's approval) and has a hawkish foreign policy record, has a center-right record on economic issues and has supported policies since she entered politics that have benefited her largest donors (banks and corporate interests), etc. The evidence is objective reality, and if you think that her record places her on the left regarding economic issues or institutional power, then you probably don't value objective reality much anyway.

[w4rma]

7. Trump as Unifier: Are Hillary Clinton and Neoconservatives Ready to Join Forces?

'Neocon elites are probably the likeliest faction to defect to Clinton, and what they'd want is blood-curdling aggressiveness overseas and Benjamin Netanyahu in charge of Middle East policy.'
…
On Wednesday, the Clinton campaign at least hinted at this approach by posting a list of people it described as "prominent activists, journalists and elected officials" in the Republican Party who have decided to reject Trump, quoting some who explicitly said they would vote for Clinton if she ends up as the Democratic nominee. A verbatim sampling from the list (which was further updated by the campaign on Thursday) follows:

• Lifelong Republican, foreign policy expert Max Boot: “ would be vastly preferable to Trump.’”

• Billionaire Bush-backer Mike Fernandez: “If I have a choice — and you can put it in bold — if I have a choice between Trump and Hillary Clinton, I’m choosing Hillary.”

• Elliott Abrams, former foreign policy advisor for Presidents Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush: “won’t be voting for Trump”

According to journalist and political commentator Sam Sacks, who spoke with D.C.-based Sputnik Radio about the same dynamic on Thursday, observers can expect to "see a lot of the neoconservatives, people who were, ironically, very close in the George W. Bush administration... coming home and supporting Clinton, who has a foreign policy record that hews pretty neoconservative."
…
Clinton probably won't be able to get meaningful numbers of Republican defectors. She is absolutely loathed among the Republican base and has been for years and years. Reuters says 84 percent of Republicans have an unfavorable view of Clinton, CNN has them at 85 percent. While she might get a few prominent neocons like Max Boot or Robert Kagan, they won't bring anyone over with them. And those few aside, the vast majority of the party will accommodate themselves to Trump eventually. It's happening already.

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/05/05/trump-unifier-are-hillary-clinton-and-neoconservatives-ready-join-forces

Sanders was referring to a Thursday Politico report that claimed Clinton’s supporters have targeted Bush family donors for funding, trying to convince them she represents their values better than presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump.

“By the way, as I understand it, is now reaching out to Jeb Bush’s fundraisers in order to raise money from them, and that really casts a doubt on the parts of millions of Americans,” said Sanders, who currently trails Clinton in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination.

“Are you really going to stand up for the middle and working class when you’re collecting millions from Jeb Bush supporters?”
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/279049-sanders-hits-clinton-for-soliciting-republican-donors

[Renew Deal]

9. That doesn't support the OP

That says that people are coming to her.

[w4rma]

12. Hillary forces target Bush donors; Their message to moderate Republicans: She represents your values

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/hilary-clinton-bush-donors-222872

[Buzz cook]

122. Every democrat represents "values" better than any republican

Name a claimed republican value and liberalism acheaves the results better than conservatism.

I'm surprised you don't know that.

[xmas74]

138. Compared to conservative Republicans

She does represent their values. I know some moderate Republicans-fiscal conservative but will grudgingly pay new taxes if it's proven that it'll save in the long run. They tend to be a bit more center left on social issues such as abortion.

The moderates I know ( most identify as GOP) hated the candidates this go around. It's not a bad play for her to say that they might not like everything she'd do but that there is more in common with her than with what the GOP has become.

[NewImproved Deal]

13. Yep. The sleazy Neo-Cons are backing the Former First Lady...

A vote for the Clinton Machine is a vote for War...

[JaneyVee]

16. Yeah because Bernie is going to really end wars.

Despite the fact he voted for more wars and war funding than any candidate running on both sides, and despite the fact he said he would continue the drone program. The myth of Bernie Sanders has overtaken the actual Bernue Sanders.

[libdem4life]

22. Get real. No one is claiming to end war. It's what the US does best.

Maybe it's more like who will jump in with both feet and who would at least take a couple of days, maybe make some calls, have some meetings before putting your children or grandchildren out to pound sand.

[Duckhunter935]

11. Reaching out to the Bush big money donors.

Just a start.

[JoePhilly]

62. Bring TP.

[99th_Monkey]

84. Funny you should ask.

This OP was just posted this morning
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511922908

[riversedge]

2. Seems to me you are wrong.

[hootinholler]

8. Seems to me

Time will tell.

[rock]

67. Seems to me

You're right. It seems we're all right. Now let's vote LEFT!

[Scootaloo]

98. Careful, it's against the ToS to advocate voting against Democrats

[rock]

102. OK, but it's you

Who's implying the BSers are voting against Dems (which incidentally is not that surprising).

[Scootaloo]

105. You said "Now let's vote LEFT!"

As things stand now, voting left would require voting for non-Democrats, on most ballots.

[rock]

113. That's why I put LEFT in all caps

So the perspicacious among us would know I mean the Left (political side) and not left (the relative direction/side).

[Scootaloo]

119. Which is my point

The Democratic Party is not a left-wing party. It's a center-right party. It could only be mistaken as a "left-wing" party if your basis of comparison is the other major party, the far-right (currently becoming Fascist) Republican party.

[rock]

125. So, Scootaloo

What planet are you from? Just joshing. Don't take it too seriously.

[Scootaloo]

127. I try to not take DU too seriously

Honestly though. The Democratic Party is not a leftist party. Never has been, and certainly isn't today.

The party is "to the left of the Republicans" but that is a very different thing from being "left"

[rock]

129. You're more than welcome to your opinion

But we do not agree, at least on that point. It really was nice conversing with you. Thanks.

[Scootaloo]

132. Well, I thank you for your permission to have an opinion...

But it's not a matter of opinion, but of political science fact. The left / right political divide is not dependent on relative perspective. That is, your being to the left of, say, Paul Ryan does not necessarily make you "part of the left."

[kaleckim]

136. There is nothing what so ever

that the Democrats record in the last few decades places them on the left. Every formerly center-left party in the developed world has moved to the right, the Democrats are no exception, and long ago sold the store to corporate interests. Honestly, it seems that people have forgotten what it means to be on the left. Sanders, who is considered a far leftist, is nothing more than a mainstream New Deal Democrat, nothing more. People in the corporate press and the two corrupt parties that treat him as some wild eyed radical just help to prove how far to the right we've gone. Anyone denying this is ignorant to the facts, lying to others or themselves.

[AgerolanAmerican]

121. If Hillary is our candidate, who's the Democrat?

It'll be Republican vs. Republican in the general.

[Kittycat]

15. So the question is will DU prop up a Neocon/ Republicon lite

Candidate draped in a democratic cloak? I want our cape back. And burn the damn ThirdWay tent down like we did fuxking DLC years ago.

[Lizzie Poppet]

21. Man, it's sure "jury lottery" time this morning.

Multiple anti-Hillary posts that don't remotely violate ToS getting hidden..

[Kittycat]

23. Touched a nerve. It's hard to come to terms with the mirror

Once it's been wiped clean.

[Lizzie Poppet]

28. Nailed it!

You can almost hear the nervous laughter...kinda like their candidate does when called out.

[HassleCat]

4. I do like the leather, though.

Going for the Harley rider vote?

[kstewart33]

27. That would be cool.

The more votes, the closer to victory.

[Trust Buster]

6. Because the previous predictions from Sanders supporters have worked out so well, Huh ? LOL

[BillZBubb]

36. They've been better than the conservaDem Hillary supporters' predictions.

Bernie was supposed to be out of the race after Iowa. Nope. After New Hampshire. Nope. After Super Tuesday. Nope. After Michigan. Nope. After New York. Nope.

She's turning right, back to her normal rightist, corporatist positions. But, that should make you happy.

[Broward]

45. Perhaps, some underestimated the extent of the right-wing infestation of the Dem Party.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

10. The election will be a choice between a Nixon-style Republican

and an outright fascist. Fuck the progressives, right?

[XemaSab]

38. If Nixon was running in this election

He'd have my vote.

[hrmjustin]

14. .

[hootinholler]

17. Maybe you should get water away from the fracked gasholes.

It might taste better and is less inflammable.

[hrmjustin]

24. Fortunately we don't have fracking in NY.

[SwampG8r]

81. You will

[hrmjustin]

82. Nope.

[libdem4life]

86. Why?

[hrmjustin]

87. Cuomo said no. There is too much opposition to Fracking in NY.

It won't happen.

[libdem4life]

91. OK...I guess they just let the poor states sink into the ground.

[hrmjustin]

93. The NY goverment has nothing to do with other state politics.

The states will havr to ban it on their own.

[libdem4life]

96. With a little help from the former Senator from New York. Ironic, isn't it?

It is a national political position.

[hrmjustin]

97. You know as goid as I do an federal ban on fracking will never happen.

[libdem4life]

108. Well neither will Health Care for all, but one has to start and only

someone who believes in it can/will begin the process.

Kind of like getting obscene corporate donations out of politics or other unpopular social proposals. Won't happen right away, but some of us still believe in Yes, We Can when our leaders lead. If our leaders say, No, We Can't, well...you get the idea.

[hrmjustin]

109. Raise your voice and vote.

[libdem4life]

110. Oh, Please.

[hrmjustin]

112. Oh?

[bettyellen]

99. But isn't Bernie going to sign an executive order ending fracking? I have heard that....

seriously the shit people believe is astounding.

[hrmjustin]

100. He will just speak and all will be well.

[bettyellen]

106. funny when states decide other things, he is loathe to argue with them. gay marriage....

closing clinics, etc. No big as promises regarding that shit. Nope.

[hrmjustin]

111. Indeed. Mr. Perfect is not perfect.

[bettyellen]

114. My breaking point was "how perfect" he is on reproductive rights.....

amazing how doing jack shit except saying "me too" gets such applause here. Doing the actual work to preserve our rights meant nothing. Mind glowingly stupid, that gambit. It was just too much for me.

[hrmjustin]

116. A lot of revisionist history from his fans.

[bettyellen]

120. That bit was just going too far. She replied to a hypothetical question about a constitutional

amendment.... anyone repeating that bullshit has no idea how very hypothetical that was. Is Bernie pushing for a constitutional amendment with no restrictions on women? Nope, he knows it would destroy him. Yet his supporters have never considered any of this. What bullshit. They know better, or should.

[yallerdawg]

18. The gist of your bogus characterization is...

you didn't like her jacket choice?

No sexism there, right?

[CrowCityDem]

19. What shift? She's saying what she's always said, just without mentioning Bernie as much.

Oh wait, that's the problem, isn't it? She isn't bothering to talk about Bernie, so you think she's a Republican.

[libdem4life]

26. I think it's the talking to Jeb Bush and Co that bothers us. Of course,

we're not really surprised. It's just taking off the thin veneer of the Third Way a bit prematurely as a bridge over to the Republican side.

So, I take it you are just fine with her "palling around with Republicans" for more fame and fortune (and money)?

Good lord, based on DU rules, we'll have to be VERY careful talking about Republicans who our front runner is consorting with.

[CrowCityDem]

32. RE: Palling around

No, I don't have a problem with anyone 'palling around' with Republicans. They're political opponents, not plague-infected parasites who can't breathe the same air as us. There's nothing wrong with having friends on the other side of the aisle. In fact, since governing takes compromise, it's probably a good thing.

Besides, Bernie has boasted that he can attract Republican support. Is the problem just that Hillary has actually done it, while Bernie is just a theory right now?

[w4rma]

39. Bernie does it by being honest and telling them how he disagrees. Clinton tells them she agrees with

them.

[CrowCityDem]

41. I'm sure R's love Hillary's tax increases, ACA embrace, minimum wage increase, etc.

And if you're going to point to foreign policy, I'll grant you that Hillary is slightly less to the left than Bernie, but let's keep in mind that Bernie still supports drone strikes, gigantic military funding, and even supported the removal of Saddam Hussein as US policy. He is not as far left as he has been claiming.

[w4rma]

46. None of which she'll pass through a Republican Congress. But, she'll pass these things.

[libdem4life]

48. Wait ... where are the "socialist/communist" pejoratives?

Now, he is "not as far left as he has been claiming?" Must be Pretzel Time.

[CrowCityDem]

49. On foreign policy, he's not. He's supported plenty of military intervention he won't mention.

[libdem4life]

54. So just half socialist/communist? What a crock.

[CrowCityDem]

56. Those are your words, not mine.

[libdem4life]

63. So you weren't in on the Cluster Attack of Socialist/Communist.

Bull. That was supposed to sink him, you do remember that. No one will vote for a Socialist. But then, you knew that. And no, they weren't my words. I'm fine with Democratic Socialist, as apparently are millions more.

Now we have to look at the shift to Republican money grubbing. But seems that doesn't bother those in The Bubble. The question is who and how much will she owe them and how many of our Democratic (big D) Issues will fall beside the wayside. No need to answer...it's rhetorical, but true.

[CrowCityDem]

68. All I'm saying is you brought up socialism/communism in this thread, not me.

[libdem4life]

72. Yes, of course I did. It's relevant. I didn't expect anyone with an H

would touch it at this point.

[CrowCityDem]

73. It's utterly disingenuous...

for you to inject something into the conversation, and then use that against me. It doesn't make me look bad, it makes you look bad for having to resort to making stuff up to continue your side of the conversation.

[libdem4life]

75. Oh my, "inject something..." I forgot, some think this is a discussion

board, not an outlet for declarations. My bad.

But please, help me out with what I made up as I "injected" myself into the conversation.

I'd repeat your title, but it would be, well, repetitive.

[CrowCityDem]

77. I made comments, then you injected communism into the discussion...

trying to paint me as a crazy person smearing Bernie here, there, and everywhere. I did no such thing, and you know it.

[libdem4life]

88. Think maybe you've got the wrong poster here...I mentioned the Group Speak

in the beginning, and it wasn't considered crazy then. Now, well apparently it does.

Sorry, I don't go through posters posts...don't have time. But all the ruckus in the beginning sported big Red Hs, so.....

Nor do I think or even infer you're a crazy person smearing bernie, here, there and everywhere. If you got that from my opinion I expressed, well sobeit.

[libdem4life]

42. That's Really Reaching...when she's yes, Palling Around with their Donors

and making nice with the likes of Jeb Bush and George Will. Friends?

Attracting support and joining forces monetarily...just a tad bit of difference. That always goes on. But this display of sheer arrogance? They aren't supporting each other for their values...other than the green ones.

I mean, we all knew she would do it...and of course, were roundly criticized for the audacity...but she feels she can get away with it now as she feels she has the nomination locked up.

She feels right comfy with Republicans.

[CrowCityDem]

47. If R;s want to jump on the Democratic train, I say welcome. Now we're an even bigger majority.

[libdem4life]

57. Uh, not Rs. Rs with big donors. You know, those folk who do not "give"

unless they "get". It's about who she "owes". No transcripts, either, from a room full of her donors.

This is not about voters. It's about who she is going to owe...other than all the big banks...if, unfortunately, she can claw her way to President.

Remember when she said she'd release transcripts when everyone else did. Problem was, no one else spoke privately to a room full of bankers. Did she release them? Still waiting. Just another Clinton Crass Political Shuffle.

[CrowCityDem]

58. Remember when Bernie crowed about not taking speaking fees, though it would have been illegal to?

[libdem4life]

85. Your point???

[libdem4life]

131. Plague-infested parasites? Overreact much? Context fail.

[-none]

130. I have noticed, even in this thread, how

the Hillary supporters don't have a problem with a supposed Left-wing Democrat, not quite as far Left as Bernie though, soliciting donations from the very people whose political philosophies Democrats are supposed the be campaigning against.

When is it going to be a violation of DU rules to be supporting Hillary???
Never mind, I already know the answer to that. Tums anyone?

[kstewart33]

29. She's moved on from Bernie.

Her focus is on Trump, all day every day. As it should be.

[libdem4life]

43. Yes...that's why she's going to Republicans for financial help.

[kstewart33]

50. At this point, I don't care who she goes to for $$$ help.

As long as she beats Trump.

There are far greater concerns at hand than taking shots at Hillary about her campaign fundraising.

For everyone's good, we must beat Trump.

The large majority of the public are realizing it. Even top Republicans realize it.

Maybe it's time that Bernie's supporters realize it. So much is at stake here.

[libdem4life]

53. Of course you don't.

But do you care who she owes? I mean in political favors?

Alas, The Bubble is, well, The Bubble.

[kstewart33]

61. You're right. At this point, I don't care.

And I'd imagine that our allies throughout the world don't care either.

Because they're shaking in their boots at the prospect of a Trump presidency. So am I.

And so should you.

[Fawke Em]

76. I'm shaking in my boots at the thought of either as president.

He's an idiot and she never saw a war she didn't like.

The world wants Bernie, btw.

[kstewart33]

79. Fawke, if the world wanted Bernie, he wouldn't be some 3 million votes behind.

I respect your support for Bernie, but the greater priority for the entire country now is to defeat Trump.

Trump says that dropping a nuclear bomb in the Middle East and/or Europe is an option. He wants to deport all illegal immigrants. He thinks women are pigs. And so much more.

Bernie is fading away now (I didn't see him listed on any of the Sunday AM political shows, which is a first). All media eyes are on Trump. And Hillary, his foe.

[kstewart33]

64. We all have our bubbles.

I'm working in Hillary's bubble. I know my priorities.

Bernie's time is done.

All eyes are on Trump now. As they should be.

[Lizzie Poppet]

59. Gosh, how surprising!

Said no one, ever...

[Broward]

83. She can now pander to Repubs.

[kstewart33]

137. Whatever it takes to beat Trump. nt

[Triana]

20. "Centrist" Democrats like Hillary are doing the job regular Republicans used to do

Most of the space left by the Republican Party in their shift to off-the-charts RightWingDominionistCrazyLand is vacant.

The "Democratic" party has in the past 30-40 years filled the void with it's DLC 'Centrist' types which I've said before are just 1960s (at best) Republicans.

That's what Hillary is.

She can call herself whatever she wants. Ideologically, she's a Republican.

Bernie can call himself whatever he wants. Ideologically, HE is the only DEMOCRAT in the race.

[libdem4life]

31. Yes, watch what I do before you listen to what I say or

what I conveniently label myself. We've watched for 25 years.

How some come up with her as the Democratic standard bearer is astonishing. But then again, she's a Clinton v.2 and it's pretty common knowledge of their copious background smear bait, which she used to her benefit.

Wonder why no Establishment Democrat would run? See last sentence.

[BillZBubb]

37. Yep.

[CrowCityDem]

44. You can't use history as an etched-in-stone benchmark.

The fact that the entire party might be a bit less to the left does not mean that a solidly left-leaning Democrat today is really a Republican. Republicans have shifted so far to the right that there is truly no comparison.

It would be unfair to say that Republicans are the better party for minorities, since Lincoln was one, and it's unfair to say that today's Democrats aren't Democrats based on what the part was seventy years ago. We live in the here and now, and given where the parties are, Hillary is most definitely a progressive Democrat.

[libdem4life]

51. No she's not. She has labeled herself a Centrist. She Is Not a Progressive.

But then again, how would anyone really know. She changes from day to day. Sorry, rethinks, listens, evolves, sends out Brock, hides from the press playing Where Is Hillary? We know...she's out getting more money, now from the Republicans, so she won't be glowing in the light of the press for awhile.

She may be Progressive on a couple of issues, but tomorrow isn't here yet, so...there's that. Third Way Progressive. LOL. She's now Pretzeling.

[azurnoir]

65. The centrist Clinton's did things

that the Republicans could only dream of when she was co-Presidenting

[Triana]

89. That's the whole point really. DLCers can do by stealth what Republicans can't do overtly

I think that is their function: to pander to the left and govern right so as to fool the masses into thinking they're 'for you' or 'for us' when they're really for the wealthy, Wall St. and Corps.

Overtly, they're Dems. Covertly, they're really Republicans.

Republicans will SAY they're going to cut social security and people won't support that.

Today's 'centrist Democrats' can say they're NOT going to cut social security, but then cut it, and people will support that.

Pfft.

[redstateblues]

115. Bullshit-That old smear-Hillary was one of the most liberal Senators in Congress

It's BSS fave ad hom. Call anyone you disagree with a Republican

[Triana]

140. Look who was the #1 most liberal.

Thaaat's right: SANDERS: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280109868

And this article uses a bit more accurate methodology to unpack this "Hillary was the 11th most liberal Senator" meme (and once again, look who's at #1).

EXCERPT:

Relative to her time, Hillary Clinton is only 19% more liberal than the average Democrat from the 110th. When compared to her modern-day colleagues of the 113th, she’s more liberal than just 12% of them. Again — removing Blue Dogs and moderates would drastically reduce Clinton’s numbers here, bringing her almost to the center.



Clinton’s liberality is marked by red, while the party average is marked by green.

Sounds a lot less impressive than the “11th most liberal senator,” doesn’t it? Seems like you could call her a moderate Democrat.

In total, there are 18 senators below Clinton, but above the party average. That’s only an 8% difference, meaning that Clinton really isn’t that much different than the 18 members that separate her from the average.

[amborin]

25. of course! hello TPP, Keystone XL, Privatized Social Security, ETC

[Sancho]

30. Even though we all realize this is a pointless bash and trash; why the sexism???

How many times have you commented on Bernie's matching tie? Bernie's cute brown shoes?

no matter what spiffy leather jacket

What's the point with the description of

Hillary's glorious truth of who she is

?

This OP is condescending and sexist - just like Trump (and sometimes Bernie).

Not surprising that we're seeing a bunch of new desperation OPs from losing Blemmings. There are also some last shots by paid operatives and trolls. It's hard to know motivations. Regardless, the posts reveal the values and personality of the posters!

This is a case in point. Not worth an alert, even though it should be hidden.

[libdem4life]

33. I believe it's Bernie's rumpled clothing and department store suit...for starters.

[Ed Suspicious]

70. Or his unruly hair. How sexy... er sexist.

[libdem4life]

74. ...and that, as well. Even more than the clothes. In fact, it was mentioned

so often, that we now recognize it as a sort of crown of honor.

[all american girl]

143. Pointing out that a woman or a POC wouldn't be taken seriously if they ran for

president looking like Bernie did in the beginning is pointing out the the double standard in our society. A white guy can look like your favorite rumpled professor, but no way in hell could any woman or POC.

[beachbumbob]

34. No big shift ongoing just more speculation of those not accepting reality

[Trajan]

124. Yep ... Just a bunch of crazy Sanders supporters

Hoping for a better world for their children ....

How did I miss you? ... Click

[lunamagica]

35. Bookmarked for later

[Hortensis]

40. No. Hillary's mostly very solidly liberal and the party's liberal,

but both parties now NEED to put additional focus on convincing moderate blue-collar workers and a moderates from a couple other groups my mind's blanked on for the moment to vote for them. Both candidates will need as many votes as possible from these groups in order to win the election. We have to give them some reason to vote Democrat, and that's just the way it is.

There would be enough liberals and far-lefters to put many of our people in office, IF they voted in greater percentages, but too many just don't bother.

[libdem4life]

69. Liberal? Liberal? Liberal? Not.

As to the last paragraph, there's a reason "they" don't vote. Not enough clothespins any more for some. Finally we get a real Liberal candidate, and the press won't cover him, and the Democratic Establishment has already crowned it's Third Way Republican-Lite candidate.

You need to give real Democrats a reason...but for HRC, it's a much shorter and familiar hop over to the Republicans and their money. Now she not only owes the Banking Cartel, but the Republican Donors. That's a winning ticket for many here, it seems.

[Hortensis]

80. Bernie isn't a liberal by personality, he's a

left-wing radical by personality. Very different. He's not in the least ashamed of it, either, just doesn't keep hitting it because it's not a big help politically. But you see it in his behavior and his often unconcealed contempt for the liberals around him in Washington and their policies. Liberal and radical are personality types, not just ideological orientations.

As for giving "real Democrats a reason," every one of us has tremendous reason to go vote, and a tremendous duty to do so. There should never be a need for any of us to be "given" reason instead of finding it for ourselves or a need to be coaxed, begged, bribed, or hogtied and delivered to the polling place. That's for children and low-functioning adults.

[libdem4life]

90. Hillary isn't a liberal by personality. She's a Republican-Lite.

what of his speeches, etc. would be left-wing radical? Please be specific.

But since your calling out Bernie his speeches and positions have been pretty darn consistent for decades. Vermont is in the United States and he's served consistently for decades. I haven't been in Washington lately.

Maybe he has "evolved". Heck, we were told Hillary had "evolved" until she ran over to the Republicans as soon as she had grasp on the nomination. Many of us thought she might wait a bit longer, but where there's money, time is of the essence.

And the last paragraph...well that's WAY OFF target and subject and quite the sanctimonious lecture. Oh yeah, and really uncalled for on DU.

[Hortensis]

94. Bernie's radical by personality. As most of us know

perfectly well, he's voted with Democrats, most of them liberal, over 95% of the time for a quarter century. But we know he's radical by personality by his behavior, including his extreme righteousness, his vast intolerance of all who do not share his views, and his rejection of all political solutions that differ from his. These are classic.

Liberal personality is classically characterized by openness to new ideas, acceptance of those who are different, and and willingness to cooperate with others.

Thus, although there is great overlap in their goals and Hillary could probably accept most of his means to achieve them if they were possible/practicable, Bernie refuses to accept any of her means to achieve them even if they are achievable and would advance us toward his goals.

A willingness to accept complete failure rather than compromise is characteristic of radicals. It is not of liberals, and thank goodness for that.

Just tremendously different.

[libdem4life]

101. Um, Hillary is Republican and Conservative by personality. Or are the

rules different for her. No need to answer that. As we speak, she's "caucusing" with the Republicans. Doesn't take a 4 paragraph rant to grasp that.

[Hortensis]

104. No, no 4-paragraph rants needed.

[redstateblues]

117. Bullshit-That old smear-Hillary was one of the most liberal Senators in Congress

Call anyone that disagrees with you a Republican-must march in lockstep with Bernie or you are a Republican.

[libdem4life]

123. You did not read carefully. Thus, I just consider the source.

[w4rma]

142. If Hillary is so "liberal", then what sort of "liberal" things is Wall Street paying her to do? (nt)

[DCBob]

52. It seems to me you havent give her a chance.

[libdem4life]

71. Yes, the press has ignored her. Not. Well, in a way they have. They haven't asked

questions that are pertinent...just Hillary worship. Bernie got called a Socialist/Communist out of the gate, and they did not use his term Democratic Socialist unless it was derision.

Apparently, there wasn't a term that described Hillary (other than a Clinton...which means whatever they want it to mean at the current time) because she was too busy evolving. Well, now we see what she's evolved to. No big surprise to many of us.

[CentralCoaster]

55. She has Oscar de la Renta on speed dial.

We don't need this fucking bullshit.

KR

[Gothmog]

60. Hillary Clinton is the most qualified candidate in the field

She will be the nominee. The math is the math

[highprincipleswork]

126. Qualified to fuck us over, that's for sure.

[HassleCat]

66. The timing is good.

She needs to run to the right as soon as possible, and she has the nomination in the bag. This is just the beginning. Once Trump gets to the left of her on a couple issues, anything can happen. Flag burning? Abortion? War on drugs?

[pdsimdars]

95. Timing premature you say? NO, the timing is perfect, for Bernie. Let her show who she really is

so the voters know, BEFORE it is too late. Perfect timing. Would have liked to see it a bit SOONER.
Maybe they'll believe her when she shows them her real face. They wouldn't listen to us.

[redstateblues]

118. bernie is losing by 3 million votes and 300 delegates

and you just think we should declare him the nomination?

[silvershadow]

103. I will put it this way: I am done with her. nt

[DLCWIdem]

107. I agree. Then he doesn't have to campaign in the upcoming primary states, right

[k8conant]

128. When will Hillary be done

making me want to throw up?

[litlbilly]

133. 132 replies and I only see 24 of them. Wow, Hillary's people must be out in droves today. I

wonder what was in the their meme for the day meeting? Alert on everything and hope for lots of blocks...

[Old Codger]

141. They have their

Orders and are doing their best to follow them

[Indpndntfrombirth]

139. Hers is a backward looking politics. Like him or not, Bernie's perspective is the future

Hillary's backwardation may yet find election in 2016. But she will find herself in the ash pile of history. The future of progressive-ism will look more like Bernie than the sad dying embers of a 1990's cronyist/identity political perspective manifest in Hillary.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

144. Checks date of original post.

Shakes head.

[NorthCarolina]

145. Premature rightward sprint, but like a fish out of water she

was probably anxious to get back to the political right element where she is most comfortable, and certainly most believable.