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Bernie will win. One foot in front of the other, folks. (Original Post) grahamhgreen May 2016 OP
Platitudes built on no data...if that makes you happy, go for it. brooklynite May 2016 #1
I'm here in California. Bernie is very strong here. JDPriestly May 2016 #2
Bernie is strong everywhere... and growing stronger... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2016 #21
This sounds awfully familiar LoverOfLiberty May 2016 #35
We are! grahamhgreen May 2016 #43
Honest question. auntpurl May 2016 #3
California loves awesome. greyl May 2016 #4
...right. auntpurl May 2016 #5
He sure is! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2016 #22
The anecdotal is pretty darn strong. I have seen exactly 2 Hillary bumper stickers Live and Learn May 2016 #6
Anecdotal evidence is nice and all... Adrahil May 2016 #7
I think Hillary supporters aren't brilliant with yard signs auntpurl May 2016 #8
So. CA here. All I can tell you is that I have never seen anything like the support for Bernie here. Live and Learn May 2016 #10
It does sound like you are in quite a liberal area. auntpurl May 2016 #13
"This one time, at a Green Party sponsored vegan fest..." OilemFirchen May 2016 #46
2 Hillary bumper stickers?... surprised there are THAT many! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2016 #23
Me too. ROFL nt Live and Learn May 2016 #24
Honest answer: Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #32
When Cali realizes that we can finally be relevant in a primary AND get everyone healthcare and grahamhgreen May 2016 #44
Have you even Looked at what it will take? Adrahil May 2016 #9
You really don't get it. Even if you 'win', you lose. This is not a game and we will not quit. Live and Learn May 2016 #11
So show what you think his path is. Adrahil May 2016 #12
I think this country is in big trouble if he doesn't win the nomination and tfhe majority of voters Live and Learn May 2016 #14
What you think the consequences of nominating her are is irrelevant... Adrahil May 2016 #15
Really? So I am irrelevant now? Disenfranchised even? Live and Learn May 2016 #16
Stop making shit up. Adrahil May 2016 #17
Democratic? You have really taken Third Way to a new level. Live and Learn May 2016 #18
You put words in my mouth. I didn't say what you claimed I did. Adrahil May 2016 #37
You are more patient than I. GulfCoast66 May 2016 #47
LOL Corporate666 May 2016 #41
Hope you're a prophet . . . . pdsimdars May 2016 #19
Nope. Starry Messenger May 2016 #20
K&R Spot On! B Calm May 2016 #25
Until the convention any delagate can change their mind. JonathanRackham May 2016 #26
No way they overturn the popular vote or more importantly Demsrule86 May 2016 #34
No, he won't...nt SidDithers May 2016 #27
He really won't. n/t Lucinda May 2016 #28
Even if he wins by 20% that doesn't get the job done. Zynx May 2016 #29
WE will win, with or without Sanders... Orsino May 2016 #30
One by one... one by one... kgnu_fan May 2016 #31
He has no shot Demsrule86 May 2016 #33
Is this just a comforting "positive affirmation," or ... NurseJackie May 2016 #36
How are you going to erase a 300 pledge delegate lead? hrmjustin May 2016 #38
Bernie is not going to win ... nolawarlock May 2016 #39
I think you really do not understand how well he needs to do there KingFlorez May 2016 #40
#BERNIEMATH!!! #WINNING!!! JTFrog May 2016 #42
yes! in it to win it! hopemountain May 2016 #45
kick wyldwolf Jun 2016 #48

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
21. Bernie is strong everywhere... and growing stronger...
Sat May 7, 2016, 06:44 AM
May 2016

The super delegates are starting to realize that only Bernie can put out the tRumpster fire... soon they will all flip to Bernie, watch.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

LoverOfLiberty

(1,438 posts)
35. This sounds awfully familiar
Sat May 7, 2016, 08:13 PM
May 2016

Oh yeah, Romney 2012.

I ignored the polls in 2004 and really believed that Kerry would win because I truly believed that he was the only right choice.

Sadly, it didn't change reality.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
3. Honest question.
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:26 AM
May 2016

Why do you think Bernie will do so well in California?

In 2008, Hillary won California. Obama was perceived as the more liberal candidate in that primary (although I think they were pretty much even on that score).

So other than anecdotal "I've seen tons of yard signs and bumper stickers" evidence, what makes you think California will go big for Bernie?

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
6. The anecdotal is pretty darn strong. I have seen exactly 2 Hillary bumper stickers
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:38 AM
May 2016

since this started and no yard signs. On the other hand, I have seen plenty of Bernie stickers, pins and yard signs.

Anecdotal, maybe but I have never seen less enthusiasm for a candidate in CA in any primary.

In fact, I invited Hillary supporter DUers to join me in campaigning and only got one taker who decided at the last minute that he would rather observe me from McDonalds than participate in talking to or registering voters.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
7. Anecdotal evidence is nice and all...
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:43 AM
May 2016

But there is no chance.... None, that Bernie will win Californaia by 30 points, which is what he needs.

Even if he over performs his polls, as a he often does in open primaries, he will not win by 30.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
8. I think Hillary supporters aren't brilliant with yard signs
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:44 AM
May 2016

And bumper stickers. That's been my impression so far this primary.

Where are you in California? I'm from the east coast so obviously you would know better, but aren't there more and less conservative areas of California?

Why do you think Hillary won in 2008 against Obama?

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
10. So. CA here. All I can tell you is that I have never seen anything like the support for Bernie here.
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:00 AM
May 2016

I have campaigned for others before but the interest has never been this great. People stop me just for wearing a Bernie t-shirt and ask if they can get one or some buttons. In fact, the other day, we stopped at a pretty high end restaurant for drinks after a day of campaigning. After viewing our Bernie shirts, the bartenders (all 3 of them) refused to take our money and asked if they could get some buttons. It was amazing.

And they love to talk about the issues and the rigged system.

At a Green Party sponsored vegan fest last week, we had people lined up to either switch party preference so they could vote for Bernie or to register for the first time. Amazing. As I was attempting to leave a ninety year old lady stopped me and asked for a Bernie pin. When she found out she couldn't vote for Bernie unless she switched she filled out the form on the spot.

I did have one little girl ask me where the Hillary table was while we were tabling and handing out flyers at another event. I really felt bad for her as I told her I had never seen one.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
13. It does sound like you are in quite a liberal area.
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:10 AM
May 2016

I suppose we'll have to wait and see. One of the stories of this primary is a lot of anecdotal evidence of strong support for Bernie but then lack of support at the voting booth. It happened in NY. But then again, it went the other way in Michigan, so who knows?

Either way, I do have to agree with the poster above who said it was unlikely Bernie will win by the landslide he'll need to achieve a majority of pledged delegates. Oregon will be a blowout for Bernie, I expect. Not so sure about CA.

Thanks for sharing your experiences.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
23. 2 Hillary bumper stickers?... surprised there are THAT many!
Sat May 7, 2016, 06:48 AM
May 2016

Go Berrrnnniiiieeeee!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
32. Honest answer:
Sat May 7, 2016, 09:23 AM
May 2016

A few reasons:

* The polling has gotten close there...and there are good reasons to believe the polling methodologies ("likely voters" doesn't include newer registrations, of which there have been a ton) significantly under-count Bernie voters.

* Open primary, and Bernie utterly dominates independents.

* Moreover, the GOP nomination is a done deal, so some Reps may well choose to vote in the Dem race...I think they'd favor Bernie, although that's admittedly just speculation on my part.

* Black voters in California, while likely still voting in larger numbers for Hillary, are not generally as conservative as those in the South, so she'll win that demographic by a smaller margin. I also think the Latino vote is entirely up for grabs there...and they're a much larger group than blacks in that state. The largest group, in fact...

* The trendline showing Bernie gaining is steep and consistent.

Will there be enough time for all of this to result in the huge win Bernie needs? Frankly, I rather doubt it...but I'm holding out hope. For once, a presidential election really, really matters.

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
44. When Cali realizes that we can finally be relevant in a primary AND get everyone healthcare and
Sat May 7, 2016, 09:25 PM
May 2016

College, as well as the rest of the progressive agenda....


We just gonna do it for ya!

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
9. Have you even Looked at what it will take?
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:51 AM
May 2016

Here's a ridiculously optimistic projection:

http://DemRace.com/?share=xcyrBxgI

I show Sanders winning every race from here on out by at least 10 points, and many by 40 points. I show him winning california by 20 points (he's behind right now). I even show him winning contests like NJ and DC by 10 points that Clinton will almost assuredly win. Guess what? He still Loses. I think a lot of you folks just have no idea how far behind he really is now.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
11. You really don't get it. Even if you 'win', you lose. This is not a game and we will not quit.
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:07 AM
May 2016

We insist on a sustainable environment and economic and social justice. Bernie gets it, which is why we support him. Apparently you don't, but you will have to accept it in the near future.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
12. So show what you think his path is.
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:10 AM
May 2016

The reality is that Clinton will be the nominee, and we must defeat Trump.

I keep seeing these "Bernie will win!" Posts and they are just delusional.

The bullshit in here is rising above eye level.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
14. I think this country is in big trouble if he doesn't win the nomination and tfhe majority of voters
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:16 AM
May 2016

don't like the GE choices which is what the polls show.

People are getting desperate and real revolution isn't the least bit pretty.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
15. What you think the consequences of nominating her are is irrelevant...
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:22 AM
May 2016

To the actuality of it happening.

And if you think an actual, violent revolution is coming, you ar even more delusional.

You folks have managed to whip yourselves up intoma ridiculous frenzy about her.

You don't like her. I get it. But she won. Now we have Trump to deal with.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
16. Really? So I am irrelevant now? Disenfranchised even?
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:28 AM
May 2016

Once, I might have been surprised to hear that on DU. No longer, sorry to say.

Do you not see your part in all of this? You are one of the ones forcing change.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
17. Stop making shit up.
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:32 AM
May 2016

I said your opinion about her was irrelevent to the actual likelihood of her getting the nomination. And it is. That's just reality. Opinions are not the same as facts. So stop making shit up.

And you are not disenfranchised. Vote for whoever you want. But the Democrqtic nominee will be Clinton.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
18. Democratic? You have really taken Third Way to a new level.
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:36 AM
May 2016

As to your calling my opinion irrelevant and claiming I make 'shit' up without any proof that I do, I can only say that you shouldn't be surprised when the 'chit' really hits the fan, since I already warned you.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
37. You put words in my mouth. I didn't say what you claimed I did.
Sat May 7, 2016, 08:24 PM
May 2016

And your opinion is irrelevant when it contradicts the facts. Just like people's opinion of evolution or climate change doesn;t change the reality of those.

And yeah, I'll wait for the pitchforks and torches. Any day now, amiright?

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
47. You are more patient than I.
Sat May 7, 2016, 11:56 PM
May 2016

I actually supported Bernie but the die is cast and Hillary will be our candidate. However his hard core supporters either refuse to believe facts or throw a fit and declare they would rather have the country go up in flames than support anyone not named Bernie.

I think we are now seeing the result of a generation that has never been allowed to lose at anything supporting a losing candidate. The older ones supported President Obama and he won both times. But now their candidate had lost and rather than sucking it up and doing the smart thing they are out of control.

By no means am I referring to a majority of Bernie supports but enough to define his movement.

Corporate666

(587 posts)
41. LOL
Sat May 7, 2016, 08:54 PM
May 2016

People think a small minority of voters will create "real revolution".

LOL!

No, it's a vocal minority of people who want free shit.

The rest of people work, have jobs, and want realistic progress. They realize Bernie is a pandering old fool that has never been successful in life before he latched onto the government teat and he doesn't understand anything about hard work, investment, saving, business, economics or anything else. He thinks money is something that grows on trees and he is promising to take it and give it to the people who just want something for nothing.

The vast majority of this country understand that his economic plans would lead to economic collapse. That's why he is losing.

His revolution will go about as well as OWS. It's over. He's done.

What will happen is that he will stubbornly refuse to admit he's beaten, and at the convention he will get up and he will support Hillary. He will fade back into the obscurity he came from, and the people who are championing his revolution will grow up, get jobs, start to understand how things really work, and will look back at how young and naive they were and be embarrassed when people remind them they were "virulent" Sanders supporters in the 2016 election.

JonathanRackham

(1,604 posts)
26. Until the convention any delagate can change their mind.
Sat May 7, 2016, 07:36 AM
May 2016

At this point super delagates are promised but not locked and cast. Beware Hillary minions, all are political promises until 5 minutes after the convention.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
29. Even if he wins by 20% that doesn't get the job done.
Sat May 7, 2016, 08:55 AM
May 2016

He won't win by 20%. The demographics in California aren't all that favorable to Bernie.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
33. He has no shot
Sat May 7, 2016, 07:41 PM
May 2016

I look forward to it being over so I don't have to bother with him...totally dislike him now...I didn't used to.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
36. Is this just a comforting "positive affirmation," or ...
Sat May 7, 2016, 08:23 PM
May 2016

... when you assert that "Bernie will win," do you have any actual data that supports that?

I'm afraid things haven't been looking very good for him for quite some time. And even with Indiana's win, the percentages he needs to win by for the rest of the states has INCREASED. This means that it's become MORE DIFFICULT for him.

There just aren't enough delegates remaining to make a difference. Hillary is going to be our nominee.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
40. I think you really do not understand how well he needs to do there
Sat May 7, 2016, 08:29 PM
May 2016

To make up the gap, he'd have to do as well as he did in Vermont and keep Clinton below viability. There is no way that happens in such a large state.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
45. yes! in it to win it!
Sat May 7, 2016, 10:45 PM
May 2016

there is no alternative to the path of economic and social justice and getting america back on track for the working class.

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