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Fri May 6, 2016, 08:10 AM

The Clinton/Bush Family Ties....

'I'm not sure if you know this, but Secretary Clinton and I are actually related,' Jenna announced.
'Yes, she's married to by uncle Bill. Uncle Bill has become so close with my grandparents and my father...that my dad calls him a brother from another mother.'
Later in the evening, Secretary Clinton took the stage and spoke of the 'special feeling of kinship' she had with Jenna.

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Similar foreign policies, similar domestic policies (Bush called it compassionate conservatism, "Democrats" call it the "third way"


Do we need a fifth Bush/Clinton term?

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Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 08:14 AM

1. Actually, Jenna is simply a clone of Hillary, as is Hillary the test tube progeny of GHW Bush.

 

They are all the same people. Same DNA. Identical in every way. No difference.




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Fri May 6, 2016, 08:28 AM

6. Nice job.

Caught that one quickly!!!

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #6)

Fri May 6, 2016, 08:29 AM

7. And the author managed to get a post hidden on his own thread, so he's done here.

 

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #7)

Fri May 6, 2016, 08:30 AM

8. Exactly. Made me laugh.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #8)

Sat May 7, 2016, 03:38 PM

36. And the Clintons and Trumps are very close too

According to a great many news outlets Bill Clinton encouraged Donald Trump to run.








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Hillary's health care plan was also a scheme to cover up a then pending FTA that has been a disaster for public health care both here and globally.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #1)

Sat May 7, 2016, 03:25 PM

31. No need for the

tag. Your post is accurate.

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Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 08:14 AM

2. Maybe Jane can help establish ties with both families.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #2)

Fri May 6, 2016, 08:17 AM

5. You are the emperor of ludicrous non sequiturs here in GD-P

 

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #2)

Fri May 6, 2016, 08:32 AM

9. Jane who?

Oh, you mean the Bern's er better half...she will be busy in Vermont...no doubt 'helping' other colleges and universities.

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Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 08:15 AM

4. All I can say is...

Actually I can't say anything, I can only

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Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 08:36 AM

10. Uncle Phil Gramm is the real uniter.

Before UBS, they all worked together in Washington, where Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas) shepherded financial deregulation of the banks through Congress and President Bill Clinton (D-USA) signed it into law, the repeal of New Deal protections that kept Wall Street from using the taxpayers for their tab at the casino. President Bush was there, too, making sure the Banksters got away in 2008.



Oh well, what's a $16 trillion bailout among friends? Today, they're in the "Weath Management" department.



Forensic economist and former Fed regulator William K. Black wrote it reminds him of what happened during the Savings and Loans Crisis of the late 80s and early 90s. At the time, that was the greatest heist in history.

UBS is a Swiss bank that is enjoying better days, thanks to the US taxpayer and a number of key US political leaders.





Hillary Helps a Bank—and Then It Funnels Millions to the Clintons

The Wall Street Journal’s eyebrow-raising story of how the presidential candidate and her husband accepted cash from UBS without any regard for the appearance of impropriety that it created.


by CONOR FRIEDERSDORF, The Atlantic, JUL 31, 2015

The Swiss bank UBS is one of the biggest, most powerful financial institutions in the world. As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton intervened to help it out with the IRS. And after that, the Swiss bank paid Bill Clinton $1.5 million for speaking gigs. The Wall Street Journal reported all that and more Thursday in an article that highlights huge conflicts of interest that the Clintons have created in the recent past.

The piece begins by detailing how Clinton helped the global bank.

“A few weeks after Hillary Clinton was sworn in as secretary of state in early 2009, she was summoned to Geneva by her Swiss counterpart to discuss an urgent matter. The Internal Revenue Service was suing UBS AG to get the identities of Americans with secret accounts,” the newspaper reports. “If the case proceeded, Switzerland’s largest bank would face an impossible choice: Violate Swiss secrecy laws by handing over the names, or refuse and face criminal charges in U.S. federal court. Within months, Mrs. Clinton announced a tentative legal settlement—an unusual intervention by the top U.S. diplomat. UBS ultimately turned over information on 4,450 accounts, a fraction of the 52,000 sought by the IRS.”

Then reporters James V. Grimaldi and Rebecca Ballhaus lay out how UBS helped the Clintons. “Total donations by UBS to the Clinton Foundation grew from less than $60,000 through 2008 to a cumulative total of about $600,000 by the end of 2014, according to the foundation and the bank,” they report. “The bank also joined the Clinton Foundation to launch entrepreneurship and inner-city loan programs, through which it lent $32 million. And it paid former president Bill Clinton $1.5 million to participate in a series of question-and-answer sessions with UBS Wealth Management Chief Executive Bob McCann, making UBS his biggest single corporate source of speech income disclosed since he left the White House.”

The article adds that “there is no evidence of any link between Mrs. Clinton’s involvement in the case and the bank’s donations to the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation, or its hiring of Mr. Clinton.” Maybe it’s all a mere coincidence, and when UBS agreed to pay Bill Clinton $1.5 million the relevant decision-maker wasn’t even aware of the vast sum his wife may have saved the bank or the power that she will potentially wield after the 2016 presidential election.

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As McClatchy noted last month in a more broadly focused article that also mentions UBS, “Ten of the world’s biggest financial institutions––including UBS, Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup and Goldman Sachs––have hired Bill Clinton numerous times since 2004 to speak for fees totaling more than $6.4 million. Hillary Clinton also has accepted speaking fees from at least one bank. And along with an 11th bank, the French giant BNP Paribas, the financial goliaths also donated as much as $24.9 million to the Clinton Foundation––the family’s global charity set up to tackle causes from the AIDS epidemic in Africa to climate change.”

CONTINUED...

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/



About UBS Wealth Management

It's Buy Partisan



It's a Buy-Partisan Who's Who:

President William J. Clinton
President George W. Bush Heh heh heh.
Robert J. McCann
James Carville
John V. Miller
Paula D. Polito
Anthony Roth
Mike Ryan
John Savercool

SOURCE: http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html

One of my attorney chums doesn't like to see his name on any committees, event letterhead or political campaign literature. These folks, it seems to me, are past caring.



Some of why DUers and ALL voters should care about Phil Gramm.

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Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 08:41 AM

11. You do know that the reason Clinton became friends with Poppy Bush

was because when Clinton and Poppy were on AF 1 going to some joint humanitarian mission Bill offered to give up his Presidential sleeping quarters to Poppy, given Poppy's advanced age and health. Poppy was so struck by the generosity of the offer that he began to see Bill in an entirely different light, and as they cooperated on more humanitarian missions they actually became friends. And I don't know why the fact that three ex-Presidents would find it congenial to talk with the only others who shared the same burdens is somehow noteworthy or blameworthy. We aren't Republicans, where the only rule is "You're either with me or against me". Democrats should be able to realize that even political opponents can be civil and decent to each other.

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #11)

Fri May 6, 2016, 06:01 PM

12. They knew each other at least 20 years earlier.

Kennebunkport, Maine, July 30, 1983.



Wallace and his third wife, the former Lisa Taylor, meet with Vice President George Bush and Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton at a lobster bake at Bush's residence at Kennebunkport, Maine, July 30, 1983. The third Mrs. Wallace, whom the governor married in 1981, was 30 years his junior and half of a country-western singing duo, Mona and Lisa, who had performed during his campaign in 1968.

CREDIT: AP/Birmingham Post

SOURCE: http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/george-wallace/13/

George Wallace did all he could to oppose President Kennedy and his administration's policy to integrate public schools, including the University of Alabama.

Something else important to know: Wallace’s running mate in 1968 was Gen. Curtis LeMay, who exhibited insubordination to President Kennedy during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #12)

Fri May 6, 2016, 08:31 PM

15. The fact that they may have casually known each other 30 years ago

doesn't make them friends (unless, of course your proof of that is the photo, which would also be proof of Poppy being great friends with George Wallace).

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #15)

Fri May 6, 2016, 08:45 PM

16. No, proof is in the lack of prosecution for BCCI, Iran Contra, Iraqgate, S&L treasonable.

Who Gave Bush His Teflon Coat in the Iran Contra Scam?

LosAngeles Times
November 04, 1988|JONATHAN KWITNY |

EXCERPT...

But the way George Bush has been let off the hook sickens me--as does the notion that he could be an acceptable candidate for the presidency, let alone leading the polls, less than two years after the Iran-Contra scandal broke.

The Bush-Reagan team rode to office on the issue of terrorism, pledging to halt it by never negotiating with terrorists and stopping others from doing so. For much of their Administration, federal law prohibited waging war on Nicaragua. Yet Bush attended dozens of meetings at which were discussed either our active role in starting and sustaining the Contra war or the secret supply of arms to Iran, which in public he called a leading terrorist state. Bush's assertion now that he didn't know of these activities is preposterous. An aide's minutes show him being briefed on arms shipments to Iran as they were in progress. He says that he misunderstood; he thought that the sales were Israeli. If so, he was muddleheaded on this linchpin issue and lacked leadership, considering our influence over Israel. Alternatively, he is simply lying; records show that he had been told earlier that Israel was acting as our front in the transactions.

In fact, Bob Woodward has reported, and Bush hasn't (to my knowledge) denied, that Bush was with Reagan when the President signed the Bible that was delivered as a gift to the "terrorist" ayatollah along with a planeload of missiles and other arms.

Nor was Bush just a loyal confidant who kept his mouth shut when Reagan erred. Bush, a former CIA director, hired career CIA officer Donald Gregg as his personal vice presidential adviser. When Contra military aid was banned, Gregg began phoning and meeting with an old CIA pal of both men, Felix Rodriguez, who, allegedly as a private citizen, went to the Salvadoran military base where arms were transferred for shipment in small craft to Contra bases.

Guns, ammo, mines and explosives were collected by men close to White House aide Oliver North and used in a terror war against civilian farm cooperatives in Nicaragua. Rodriguez ran the arms depot, at times talking almost daily with Gregg and meeting at least three times with Bush--whose office says that they only discussed other things, and that the presence of the arms deals on the agenda for one of those meetings was a typing error.

It gets worse. As his own assistant Rodriguez hired, under an assumed name, Luis Posada Carriles, another former CIA colleague who had just been sprung from a Venezuelan jail--with his help, Rodriguez has hinted. Posada was in jail for the mid-air bombing of a civilian Cuban airliner that took 73 lives. That surpasses all the Arab terrorist acts that Bush and Reagan have complained of.

Bush's office has said that he didn't know of Posada's background. Nonsense. Posada bombed that airliner on Bush's watch, in October, 1976, and Castro's howls of CIA culpability and U.S. denials were big news. Surely a CIA director worthy of the title would have called for the file on Posada.

CONTINUED...

http://articles.latimes.com/1988-11-04/local/me-984_1_contra-arms

PS: One of the last great investigative writers, Jonathan Kwitny wrote "The Crimes of Patriots," about the Nugan Hand Bank CIA scam.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #16)

Fri May 6, 2016, 08:47 PM

17. Whatever. I dislike LW conspiracy theories just as much as I

do RW conspiracy theories. Maybe Alex Jones would be interested.

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #17)

Fri May 6, 2016, 11:37 PM

18. Conspiracy isn't left or right. Clinton let Poppy Bush off the hook for treason.

GHW Bush, exactly like his son would 10 years later, lied America into war on Iraq. Those are the facts.

If they weren't so, you would be able to show where I am in error, not just moan about "conspiracy."

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Response to Octafish (Reply #18)

Sat May 7, 2016, 08:30 AM

19. Read the definition of treason. It's in the Constitution.

It doesn't mean what you think it does.

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #19)

Sat May 7, 2016, 10:23 AM

20. Yes it does.

"Corruption in public office is treason." -- Adlai Stevenson, Jr.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #20)

Sat May 7, 2016, 12:29 PM

21. Whatever Adlai said does not make it the law.

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #21)

Sat May 7, 2016, 12:59 PM

22. The law says aiding the enemy blah blah.

What do you think crooked politicians do?

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Response to Octafish (Reply #22)

Sat May 7, 2016, 01:01 PM

23. I think they do lots of things, presumably even some crooked things. But as an attorney

I would tell you that the only definition of 'treason' that counts is the one in our Constitution. And what you're desperately trying to make fit won't.

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #23)

Sat May 7, 2016, 01:27 PM

24. I'll take Adlai Stevenson over COLGATE4 any day.

Here are two examples of how corruption is treason:

From his association with a former president, Frank got a great deal in Kazakhstan:

After Mining Deal, Financier Donated to Clinton

By JO BECKER and DON VAN NATTA Jr.
The New York Times, JAN. 31, 2008

EXCERPT...

Upon landing on the first stop of a three-country philanthropic tour, the two men were whisked off to share a sumptuous midnight banquet with Kazakhstan’s president, Nursultan A. Nazarbayev, whose 19-year stranglehold on the country has all but quashed political dissent.

Mr. Nazarbayev walked away from the table with a propaganda coup, after Mr. Clinton expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader’s bid to head an international organization that monitors elections and supports democracy. Mr. Clinton’s public declaration undercut both American foreign policy and sharp criticism of Kazakhstan’s poor human rights record by, among others, Mr. Clinton’s wife, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.

Within two days, corporate records show that Mr. Giustra also came up a winner when his company signed preliminary agreements giving it the right to buy into three uranium projects controlled by Kazakhstan’s state-owned uranium agency, Kazatomprom.

The monster deal stunned the mining industry, turning an unknown shell company into one of the world’s largest uranium producers in a transaction ultimately worth tens of millions of dollars to Mr. Giustra, analysts said.

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Mr. Giustra foresaw a bull market in gold and began investing in mines in Argentina, Australia and Mexico. He turned a $20 million shell company into a powerhouse that, after a $2.4 billion merger with Goldcorp Inc., became Canada’s second-largest gold company.

CONTINUED...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html


From his association with a future president, George got a great deal in Bahrain.



Harken Energy And Insider Trading

by Stephen Pizzo
Mother Jones, September / October 1992

EXCERPT...

Harken Energy was formed in l973 by two oilmen who would benefit from a successful covert effort to destabilize Australia's Labor Party government (which had attempted to shut out foreign oil exploration). A decade later, Harken was sold to a new investment group headed by New York attorney Alan G. Quasha, a partner in the firm of Quasha, Wessely & Schneider. Quasha's father, a powerful attorney in the Philippines, had been a staunch supporter of then-president Ferdinand Marcos. William Quasha had also given legal advice to two top officials of the notorious Nugan Hand Bank in Australia, a CIA operation.

After the sale of Harken Energy in 1983, Alan Quasha became a director and chairman of the board. Under Quasha, Harken suddenly absorbed Junior's struggling Spectrum 7 in 1986. The merger immediately opened a financial horn of plenty and reversed Junior's fortunes. But like his brother Jeb, Junior seemed unconcerned about the characters who were becoming his benefactors. Harken's $25 million stock offering in 1987, for example, was underwritten by a Little Rock, Arkansas, brokerage house, Stephens, Inc., which placed the Harken stock offering with the London subsidiary of Union Bank -- a bank that had surfaced in the scandal that resulted in the downfall of the Australian Labor government in 1976 and, later, in the Nugan Hand Bank scandal. (It was also Union Bank, according to congressional hearings on international money laundering, that helped the now-notorious Bank of Credit and Commerce International skirt Panamanian money-laundering laws by flying cash out of the country in private jets, and that was used by Ferdinand Marcos to stash 325 tons of Philippine gold around the world.)

SNIP...

Suddenly, in January 1990, Harken Energy became the talk of the Texas oil industry. The company with no offshore-oil-drilling experience beat out a more-established international conglomerate, Amoco, in bagging the exclusive contract to drill in a promising new offshore oil field for the Persian Gulf nation of Bahrain. The deal had been arranged for Harken by two former Stephens, Inc., brokers. A company insider claims the president's son did not initiate the deal -- but feels that his presence in the firm helped with the Bahrainis. "Hell, that's why he's on the damn board," the insider says. "...You say, 'By the way, the president's son sits on our board.' You use that. There's nothing wrong with that."

Junior has told acquaintances conflicting stories about his own involvement in the deal. He first claimed that he had "recused" himself from the deal; "George said he left the room when Bahrain was being discussed 'because we can't even have the appearance of having anything to do with the government.' He was into a big rant about how unfair it was to be the president's son. He said, 'I was so scrupulous I was never in the room when it was discussed.'"

Junior alternately claimed, to reporters for the Wall Street Journal and D Magazine, that he had opposed the arrangement. But the company insider says, to the contrary, that Junior was excited about the Bahrain deal. "Like any member of the board, he was thrilled," the associate says. "His attitude was, 'Holy shit, what a great deal!'"

CONTINUED...

http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/harkenenergyandinsidertrading.htm



You being a lawyer and all might better appreciate how mixing official business and private gain seem legal. Of course, that depends on who defines what legal is. In the current world so much of what "legal" is is defined by the Rehnquist court 5-4. Odd you, who claim to be a Democrat, agree with it.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #24)

Sat May 7, 2016, 03:11 PM

25. I'd love to see - just once - some actual (gasp) proof of all these

allegations people so cavalierly throw around as if they were fact. However, every time I ask for the nast "p" word (proof), the boards go suspiciously silent. Wonder why that is?

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #25)

Sat May 7, 2016, 03:18 PM

27. That's why I source my information.

That makes it easy to point out where it's wrong. Seeing how you don't, COLGATE4, shows you can't.

Another example of corruption unpunished:

Greg Palast explains how Barrick Gold became one of Poppy Bush's favorite charities. Of course, for pointing it out, Poppy wold make certain to give the big shaft to The Guardian and Greg Palast.





Poppy Strikes Gold

Sunday, April 27, 2008
Originally Posted July 9, 2003
By Greg Palast

EXCERPT...

And while the Bush family steadfastly believes that ex-felons should not have the right to vote for president, they have no objection to ex-cons putting presidents on their payroll. In 1996, despite pleas by U.S. church leaders, Poppy Bush gave several speeches (he charges $100,000 per talk) sponsored by organizations run by Rev. Sun Myung Moon, cult leader, tax cheat—and formerly the guest of the U.S. federal prison system. Some of the loot for the Republican effort in the 1997–2000 election cycles came from an outfit called Barrick Corporation.

The sum, while over $100,000, is comparatively small change for the GOP, yet it seemed quite a gesture for a corporation based in Canada. Technically, the funds came from those associated with the Canadian's U.S. unit, Barrick Gold Strike.

They could well afford it. [font color="green"]In the final days of the Bush (Senior) administration, the Interior Department made an extraordinary but little noticed change in procedures under the 1872 Mining Law, the gold rush–era act that permitted those whiskered small-time prospectors with their tin pans and mules to stake claims on their tiny plots. The department initiated an expedited procedure for mining companies that allowed Barrick to swiftly lay claim to the largest gold find in America. In the terminology of the law, Barrick could "perfect its patent" on the estimated $10 billion in ore—for which Barrick paid the U.S. Treasury a little under $10,000. Eureka![/font color]

Barrick, of course, had to put up cash for the initial property rights and the cost of digging out the booty (and the cost of donations, in smaller amounts, to support Nevada's Democratic senator, Harry Reid). Still, the shift in rules paid off big time: According to experts at the Mineral Policy Center of Washington, DC, Barrick saved—and the U.S. taxpayer lost—a cool billion or so. Upon taking office, Bill Clinton's new interior secretary, Bruce Babbitt, called Barrick's claim the "biggest gold heist since the days of Butch Cassidy." Nevertheless, because the company followed the fast-track process laid out for them under Bush, this corporate Goldfinger had Babbitt by the legal nuggets. Clinton had no choice but to give them the gold mine while the public got the shaft.

Barrick says it had no contact whatsoever with the president at the time of the rules change.(1) There was always a place in Barrick's heart for the older Bush—and a place on its payroll. In 1995, Barrick hired the former president as Honorary Senior Advisor to the Toronto company's International Advisory Board. Bush joined at the suggestion of former Canadian prime minister Brian Mulroney, who, like Bush, had been ignominiously booted from office. I was a bit surprised that the president had signed on. When Bush was voted out of the White House, he vowed never to lobby or join a corporate board. The chairman of Barrick openly boasts that granting the title "Senior Advisor" was a sly maneuver to help Bush tiptoe around this promise.

CONTINUED...

http://www.gregpalast.com/poppy-strikes-gold/



The guy really gave rise to compassionate conservative, as in helping the rich and their corporations.

The story continues, in which Mr. Palast details how said gold mining company employed pure fascist tactics to take over the mine, a plan which involved bulldozing the miners' homes and mines, some with the miners and their families still inside.

Let that, uh, sink in for a moment. For his trouble in reporting the story, Barrick threatened to sue.



The Truth Buried Alive

—By Greg Palast, From The Best Democracy Money Can Buy (Penguin/Plume, 2003)

Source: UTNE Reader
April 2003 Issue

EXCERPT...

Bad news. In July 2001, in the middle of trying to get out the word of the theft of the election in Florida, [font color="red"]I was about to become the guinea pig, the test case, for an attempt by a multinational corporation to suppress free speech in the USA using British libel law. I have a U.S.-based Web site for Americans who can’t otherwise read my columns or view my BBC television reports. The gold-mining company held my English newspaper liable for aggravated damages for my publishing the story in the USA. If I did not pull the Bush-Barrick story off my U.S. Web site, my paper would face a ruinously costly fight.(1)[/font color]

Panicked, the Guardian legal department begged me to delete not just the English versions of the story but also my Spanish translation, printed in Bolivia. (Caramba!)

The Goldfingers didn’t stop there. [font color="green"]Barrick’s lawyers told our papers that I personally would be sued in the United Kingdom over Web publications of my story in America, because the Web could be accessed in Britain. The success of this legal strategy would effectively annul the U.S. Bill of Rights.[/font color] Speak freely in the USA, but if your words are carried on a U.S. Web site, you may be sued in Britain. The Declaration of Independence would be null and void, at least for libel law. Suddenly, instead of the Internet becoming a means of spreading press freedom, the means to break through censorship, it would become the electronic highway for delivering repression.

And repression was winning. InterPress Services (IPS) of Washington, DC, sent a reporter to Tanzania with Lissu. They received a note from Barrick that said if the wire service ran a story that repeated the allegations, the company would sue. IPS did not run the story.

I was worried about Lissu. On July 19, 2001, a group of Tanzanian police interest lawyers wrote the nation’s president asking for an investigation–instead, Lissu’s law partner in Dar es Salaam was arrested. The police were hunting for Lissu. They broke into his home and office and turned them upside down looking for the names of Lissu’s sources, his whereabouts and the evidence he gathered on the mine site clearance. This was more than a legal skirmish. Over the next months, demonstrations by vicims’ families were broken up by police thugs. A member of Parliament joining protesters was beaten and hospitalized. I had to raise cash quick to get Lissu out, and with him, his copies of police files with more evidence of the killings. I called Maude Barlow, the “Ralph Nader of Canada”, head of the Council of Canadians. Without hesitation, she teamed up with Friends of the Earth in Holland, raised funds and prepared a press conference–and in August tipped the story to the Globe & Mail, Canada’s national paper.

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http://www.mapcruzin.com/palast-2.htm



So. Greg Palast did something very, very bad from the insider's perspective: He told the truth, including the bits about the buried alive gold miners, as it happens. So, the Big Corporation sued and sued and sued. With their deep pockets, they can buy justice, judges, prime ministers and whoever and whatever else they need to turn a buck, even presidents, their dim sons, cronies, assorted toadies, paid shills and amateur apologists.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #27)

Sat May 7, 2016, 03:20 PM

28. I didn't ask for soures. I asked for proof. So far I'm still batting

1000. (And no, Greg Palast isn't proof).

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #28)

Sat May 7, 2016, 03:32 PM

33. Only in your mind.

Despite moving the goal posts and who knows what all, you still have yet to show where any of what I have posted is in error. So that is batting .000.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #33)

Sat May 7, 2016, 03:46 PM

38. The person making the claim has the burden of proving it.

Proof is not (in spite of your trying to make it so) tendentious articles. Show me proof of an investigation of any of these so-called transgressions by the appropriate agency and the result of such investigations. Surely a lot of these dire occurrences must have come to the attention of legal authorities in various countries around the world, who would have turned to law enforcement to catch the wrongdoers? How many people went to jail for the so-called scandals you present as 'proof'? There must surely be lots of links you can post showing the end result of these occurrences?

I already know the 'answer' - it's all part of a big conspiracy by all the oligarchs to keep all this under wraps. They already own all governments, including their law enforcement arms as well as all the media so nothing of this ever gets "out" except for the odd article by an 'investigative reporter'. Did it ever occur to you that, if such a preposterous thing were true, people like Palast's life wouldn't be worth a plugged nickel? As Stalin liked to say, "Three people can keep a secret if two of them are dead".

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #38)

Sat May 7, 2016, 04:05 PM

40. You're making the claim I'm wrong and can't show where.

As demonstrated above, I showed how Bushes and Clinton's used their official positions to advance the interests of their cronies.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #40)

Sat May 7, 2016, 04:34 PM

42. Instead of furiously trying to deflect, how about some

answers to the questions I asked?

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #42)

Sat May 7, 2016, 10:07 PM

48. I don't owe you a thing. You and yours need to explain UBS.

Union Bank of Switzerland ties generations of Bushes and Harrimans and friends of Allen Dulles together in secret government and business and finance. Those gangsters are still in charge. Those who profit from the money trumps peace madness, and the ignoramii who defend them, are who need to answer.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #48)

Sat May 7, 2016, 10:55 PM

49. You really need to not spend so much time listening to Alex Jones.

This is getting awfully close to the RW mouth breathers who spew this type of nonsense 24/7 with their tales of "The New World Order", the "Bilderberg Group" and the "Masonic/Jewish/Illuminati Conspiracy".

But thanks for confirming that you have no actual proof of any of the multiple occasions of wrongdoing you insist Hillary (and Bill) have committed. That's what I expected.

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #49)

Sun May 8, 2016, 07:13 AM

54. Ad hominem is the mark of the disinformationist, COLGATE4.

Resorting to smears shows your disregard for truth.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #54)

Sun May 8, 2016, 07:18 AM

55. That's what all the conspiracy peddlers say.

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #55)

Sun May 8, 2016, 07:30 AM

57. UBS hired Gramm and Clinton, paying them millions. FACT.

You can even go to UBS and see for yourself.

UBS is a Swiss bank that is enjoying better days, thanks to the US taxpayer and a number of key US political leaders.





Hillary Helps a Bank—and Then It Funnels Millions to the Clintons

The Wall Street Journal’s eyebrow-raising story of how the presidential candidate and her husband accepted cash from UBS without any regard for the appearance of impropriety that it created.


by CONOR FRIEDERSDORF, The Atlantic, JUL 31, 2015

The Swiss bank UBS is one of the biggest, most powerful financial institutions in the world. As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton intervened to help it out with the IRS. And after that, the Swiss bank paid Bill Clinton $1.5 million for speaking gigs. The Wall Street Journal reported all that and more Thursday in an article that highlights huge conflicts of interest that the Clintons have created in the recent past.

The piece begins by detailing how Clinton helped the global bank.

“A few weeks after Hillary Clinton was sworn in as secretary of state in early 2009, she was summoned to Geneva by her Swiss counterpart to discuss an urgent matter. The Internal Revenue Service was suing UBS AG to get the identities of Americans with secret accounts,” the newspaper reports. “If the case proceeded, Switzerland’s largest bank would face an impossible choice: Violate Swiss secrecy laws by handing over the names, or refuse and face criminal charges in U.S. federal court. Within months, Mrs. Clinton announced a tentative legal settlement—an unusual intervention by the top U.S. diplomat. UBS ultimately turned over information on 4,450 accounts, a fraction of the 52,000 sought by the IRS.”

Then reporters James V. Grimaldi and Rebecca Ballhaus lay out how UBS helped the Clintons. “Total donations by UBS to the Clinton Foundation grew from less than $60,000 through 2008 to a cumulative total of about $600,000 by the end of 2014, according to the foundation and the bank,” they report. “The bank also joined the Clinton Foundation to launch entrepreneurship and inner-city loan programs, through which it lent $32 million. And it paid former president Bill Clinton $1.5 million to participate in a series of question-and-answer sessions with UBS Wealth Management Chief Executive Bob McCann, making UBS his biggest single corporate source of speech income disclosed since he left the White House.”

The article adds that “there is no evidence of any link between Mrs. Clinton’s involvement in the case and the bank’s donations to the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation, or its hiring of Mr. Clinton.” Maybe it’s all a mere coincidence, and when UBS agreed to pay Bill Clinton $1.5 million the relevant decision-maker wasn’t even aware of the vast sum his wife may have saved the bank or the power that she will potentially wield after the 2016 presidential election.

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As McClatchy noted last month in a more broadly focused article that also mentions UBS, “Ten of the world’s biggest financial institutions––including UBS, Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup and Goldman Sachs––have hired Bill Clinton numerous times since 2004 to speak for fees totaling more than $6.4 million. Hillary Clinton also has accepted speaking fees from at least one bank. And along with an 11th bank, the French giant BNP Paribas, the financial goliaths also donated as much as $24.9 million to the Clinton Foundation––the family’s global charity set up to tackle causes from the AIDS epidemic in Africa to climate change.”

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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/



About UBS Wealth Management

It's Buy Partisan

After his exit from the US Senate, Phil Gramm found a job at Swiss bank UBS as vice chairman. He later brought on former President Bill Clinton. What a coincidence, they are the two key figures in repealing Glass-Steagal. Since the New Deal it was the financial regulation that protected the US taxpayer from the Wall Street casino. Oh well, what's a $16 trillion bailout among friends?



It's a Buy-Partisan Who's Who:

President William J. Clinton
President George W. Bush Heh heh heh.
Robert J. McCann
James Carville
John V. Miller
Paula D. Polito
Anthony Roth
Mike Ryan
John Savercool

SOURCE: http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html

One of my attorney chums doesn't like to see his name on any committees, event letterhead or political campaign literature. These folks, it seems to me, are past caring.

Some of why DUers and ALL voters should care about Phil Gramm.



Ignorance isn't bliss when democracy is at stake.


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Response to Octafish (Reply #57)

Sun May 8, 2016, 07:41 AM

58. You know that when the headline of the article in Rupert's WSJ

admits that they are criticizing them not for any wrongdoing but only for acting "without any regard for the appearance of impropriety that it created" that there truly is nothing there.

"The article admits that “there is no evidence of any link between Mrs. Clinton’s involvement in the case and the bank’s donations to the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation, or its hiring of Mr. Clinton.”

True. BUT - wait for it -

” Maybe it’s all a mere coincidence, and when UBS agreed to pay Bill Clinton $1.5 million the relevant decision-maker wasn’t even aware of the vast sum his wife may have saved the bank or the power that she will potentially wield after the 2016 presidential election. "

Classic Murdoch/Fox drive-by 'journalism.

Great proof.

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #58)

Sun May 8, 2016, 07:50 AM

59. Phil Gramm and UBS Wealth Management

After his exit from the US Senate, Phil Gramm found a job at Swiss bank UBS as vice chairman. He later brought in former President Bill Clinton to the Wealth Management team. What a coincidence, they are the two key figures in repealing Glass-Steagal. Since the New Deal it was the financial regulation that protected the US taxpayer from the Wall Street casino. Oh well, what are a few hundred million in speaking fees compared to a $16 trillion bailout among friends?



It's a Buy-Partisan Who's Who:

President William J. Clinton
President George W. Bush Heh heh heh.
Robert J. McCann
James Carville
John V. Miller
Paula D. Polito
Anthony Roth
Mike Ryan
John Savercool

SOURCE: http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html

Some of why DUers and ALL voters should care about Phil Gramm.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #59)

Sun May 8, 2016, 07:56 AM

60. So now you've gone from 'articles that supposedly prove a point

but don't" to the final "It's obvious to me, why isn't it to you?" argument. I don't deal in speculation. Show me something concrete where wrongdoing by the Clintons has been proved in a court of law and we'll talk.

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #60)

Sun May 8, 2016, 08:19 AM

61. UBS hired Phil Gramm and Bill Clinton, paying them millions.

Swiss bank UBS hired Phil Gramm and Bill Clinton, the two key figures for repealing Glass-Steagall Act, the New Deal legislation that protected taxpayers from Banksters. Fact.

Spin, smear, obfuscate all day long, COLGATE4. It doesn't change the facts or alter the truth.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #61)

Sun May 8, 2016, 08:39 AM

65. Facts are something you are noticeably short on.

So far through all your responses you have yet to provide one iota of proof that the Clintons have done anything illegal. I think this 'discussion' has truly reached a point of diminishing returns. I'm done. Bye.

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #65)

Sun May 8, 2016, 09:11 AM

67. Don't get mad just because the facts aren't on your side.

Just think, all your smears will go to waste.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #67)

Sun May 8, 2016, 10:05 AM

70. Bye.

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #70)

Sun May 8, 2016, 10:27 AM

72. Gotta get the last word in, even when you're wrong.

Nice.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #72)

Sun May 8, 2016, 10:29 AM

73. Yep. Whatever makes you feel better.

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #11)

Sat May 7, 2016, 03:21 PM

29. I would not have shared a plane with a Bush

 

or a Reagan, or a Nixon, or a Kissinger, except in dire emergency.

Some people are just too horrible to associate with and a decent human being avoids them at all costs.

Sure, there are occasions of state where you get tossed into the same room, but the rest of the time would find me as far as possible from them.

A person is known by the company they keep, quod erat demonstrandum,

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #29)

Sat May 7, 2016, 03:27 PM

32. Now you're just being silly.

I already explained how President Clinton (the first one) and Poppy Bush were asked to serve as Chairs of a Humanitarian mission. Clinton flew them on Air Force One. Because of Poppy's advanced age and health Bill offered to give him the sleeping quarters so he could lie down and rest. So now, because of trying to be respectful to an elderly former President of the United States he's being castigated. Disgusting. Worthy of the worst of Free Republic.

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #32)

Sat May 7, 2016, 03:37 PM

35. Would you sit on a charity board with Dick Cheney?

 

I wouldn't.

I am quite sure that people at Free Republic would have zero concern sitting next to any right-wing war criminal, so stuff your insulting comparisons.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #35)

Sat May 7, 2016, 04:11 PM

41. I'm not the President of the United States,

I know it may be shocking to hear, but I'm pretty sure every President has had to do things with people he didn't care for but it was part of his job. This is truly the deadest of dead horses and, to be honest, I'm done. Stick a fork in me- I'm out of here. Bye.

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #41)

Sat May 7, 2016, 04:41 PM

43. It is one thing to have to meet with a head of state

 

who is a butcher, it is another thing to meet with such people when one has a choice.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #43)

Sat May 7, 2016, 08:47 PM

45. It appears you have a reading comprehension problem

I have explained at great length and in the simplest terms I know how that President Clinton was asked to co-chair a Humanitarian Mission with President Bush I. They flew together on AF 1, seeing as this was an official mission of the US Government. During the flight Clinton, as is his style, was solicitous of the elder Bush's health and offered him the use of the sleeping quarters on the plane. Bush, who had been expecting hostility from Bill was so surprised that he rethought his idea about Clinton and, as they worked together on other humanitarian missions eventually became friends. If you think that being a President means adopting a slash and burn attiude towards people from the opposite party you are definitely on the wrong site. That attitude is much more in line with the typical Trump supporter.

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #45)

Sat May 7, 2016, 09:49 PM

46. My reading comprehension is fine

 

When you are required to consort with horrible people because of your job, that's excusable. When you decide to continue associating with these people on your own, that a "moral comprehension" problem.

I don't have to have to be rude to a person when forced to deal with them. But courtesy does not compel me to seek them out and become a member of the family.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #46)

Sat May 7, 2016, 10:02 PM

47. And it never occurred to you that the few people a former President

has that he can actually discuss issues of the Presidency with are former Presidents? The only people that actually have carried the burden and understand the issues. But no, once again, slash and burn. Kill the other people. Have nothing to do with them. Shun them - avoid them at all costs. As I said, you seem to be much more attuned with Trump than with Democratic Party beliefs.

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #47)

Sat May 7, 2016, 11:57 PM

50. Excuse me, where did I ever advocate killing anyone?

 

You seem to have the reading comprehension problem, not me.

You keep making excuses for the Clintons hanging out with a family whose hands are steeped in the blood of the innocent, then you accuse me of wanting to kill people.

Yeah, we're done.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #50)

Sun May 8, 2016, 07:26 AM

56. Just the same type of hyperbole you love to use; "steeped in the blood

of the innocent". Go ahead and embrace your hatred of the Clintons. It'll keep you warm during all those cold nights when Hillary is President.

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #56)

Sun May 8, 2016, 08:21 AM

62. Nice smear.

Blood libel. Gee. Who specializes in that kind of thing?

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Response to Octafish (Reply #62)

Sun May 8, 2016, 08:34 AM

64. I'm beginning to believe that you are really delusional.

I just quoted YOUR exact words back to you. So who's talking about blood libel now?

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #64)

Sun May 8, 2016, 09:09 AM

66. No you didn't.

LOL.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #66)

Sun May 8, 2016, 10:06 AM

71. No, you're right. It was the other poster. Hard to keep

you guys straight.

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #56)

Sun May 8, 2016, 10:01 AM

69. Again, you project your own emotions

 

I don't "hate" these people, I am revolted by their lack of morality. Also, by those who would excuse it.

Good day, we are done.

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Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 06:07 PM

13. No more Bush. No more Clinton.

 

I'm sick of all of them. lol

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Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 06:08 PM

14. Sixth

You're forgetting Bush I.

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Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2016, 03:18 PM

26. Yeah, I'm not keen on the Bush-Clinton Dynasty

 

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #26)

Sat May 7, 2016, 03:41 PM

37. It's been good for defense contractors, that's for damn sure...

what's a few million poor dead foreigners when there's money to be made?

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Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2016, 03:25 PM

30. K&R#8

 

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Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2016, 03:36 PM

34. ahhhhh, the 'unity' thing.

I got it wrong. Had thought she was talking about unifying Dems. Wrong me.

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Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2016, 04:05 PM

39. keep trying

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Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2016, 06:13 PM

44. No.

 

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Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Sun May 8, 2016, 12:06 AM

51. Cozy swarm of parasites...

 

Ain't bipartisanship grand?

[link:|

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Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Sun May 8, 2016, 12:10 AM

53. Jenna - not a Republican

http://www.businessinsider.com/george-w-bushs-daughters-are-not-republicans-2014-9?IR=T

Both of former President George W. Bush's daughters aren't following the family's Republican Party heritage.

(Then I like this part - chip off the old block)

Jenna Bush Hager, the younger of the Bush twins, is registered to New York's Independence Party, according to a Daily News report Wednesday. The third party is much maligned in local politics for allegedly duping voters who meant to actually register as "independent."

"Jenna registered to vote in New York soon after her daughter was born, and like all new moms, she was functioning on very little sleep. She mistakenly registered for the Independence Party," the spokeswoman said.

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Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Sun May 8, 2016, 08:24 AM

63. More weak-assed guilt by association.

 

Clinton and Bush are past presidents that worked on much shit together. Good causes too, if you can imagine. The fact they become friends does not mean what you think it does.

If you hurry, you can re-attach your nose.

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Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Sun May 8, 2016, 09:31 AM

68. UBS, BCCI and Stephens Inc.

Harken Energy And Insider Trading

by Stephen Pizzo
Mother Jones, September / October 1992

EXCERPT...

Harken Energy was formed in l973 by two oilmen who would benefit from a successful covert effort to destabilize Australia's Labor Party government (which had attempted to shut out foreign oil exploration). A decade later, Harken was sold to a new investment group headed by New York attorney Alan G. Quasha, a partner in the firm of Quasha, Wessely & Schneider. Quasha's father, a powerful attorney in the Philippines, had been a staunch supporter of then-president Ferdinand Marcos. William Quasha had also given legal advice to two top officials of the notorious Nugan Hand Bank in Australia, a CIA operation.

After the sale of Harken Energy in 1983, Alan Quasha became a director and chairman of the board. Under Quasha, Harken suddenly absorbed Junior's struggling Spectrum 7 in 1986. The merger immediately opened a financial horn of plenty and reversed Junior's fortunes. But like his brother Jeb, Junior seemed unconcerned about the characters who were becoming his benefactors. Harken's $25 million stock offering in 1987, for example, was underwritten by a Little Rock, Arkansas, brokerage house, Stephens, Inc., which placed the Harken stock offering with the London subsidiary of Union Bank -- a bank that had surfaced in the scandal that resulted in the downfall of the Australian Labor government in 1976 and, later, in the Nugan Hand Bank scandal. (It was also Union Bank, according to congressional hearings on international money laundering, that helped the now-notorious Bank of Credit and Commerce International skirt Panamanian money-laundering laws by flying cash out of the country in private jets, and that was used by Ferdinand Marcos to stash 325 tons of Philippine gold around the world.)

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Suddenly, in January 1990, Harken Energy became the talk of the Texas oil industry. The company with no offshore-oil-drilling experience beat out a more-established international conglomerate, Amoco, in bagging the exclusive contract to drill in a promising new offshore oil field for the Persian Gulf nation of Bahrain. The deal had been arranged for Harken by two former Stephens, Inc., brokers. A company insider claims the president's son did not initiate the deal -- but feels that his presence in the firm helped with the Bahrainis. "Hell, that's why he's on the damn board," the insider says. "...You say, 'By the way, the president's son sits on our board.' You use that. There's nothing wrong with that."

Junior has told acquaintances conflicting stories about his own involvement in the deal. He first claimed that he had "recused" himself from the deal; "George said he left the room when Bahrain was being discussed 'because we can't even have the appearance of having anything to do with the government.' He was into a big rant about how unfair it was to be the president's son. He said, 'I was so scrupulous I was never in the room when it was discussed.'"

Junior alternately claimed, to reporters for the Wall Street Journal and D Magazine, that he had opposed the arrangement. But the company insider says, to the contrary, that Junior was excited about the Bahrain deal. "Like any member of the board, he was thrilled," the associate says. "His attitude was, 'Holy shit, what a great deal!'"

CONTINUED...

http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/harkenenergyandinsidertrading.htm

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