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Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:02 AM May 2016

Voters DESPISE both Clinton & Trump...yet Sanders is *unelectable*

Clinton and Trump are both more strongly disliked than any nominee at this point in the past 10 presidential cycles.



Clinton’s average “strongly unfavorable” rating in probability sample polls from late March to late April, 37 percent, is about 5 percentage points higher than the previous high between 19803 and 2012. Trump, though, is on another planet. Trump’s average “strongly unfavorable” rating, 53 percent, is 20 percentage points higher than every candidate’s rating besides Clinton’s.

No major party nominee before Clinton or Trump had a double-digit net negative “strong favorability” rating. Clinton’s would be the lowest ever, except for Trump.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-distaste-for-both-trump-and-clinton-is-record-breaking/?ex_cid=538twitter




But according to *Very Serious People*...
Bernie Sanders is unelectable!?!

This game is RIGGED!
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Voters DESPISE both Clinton & Trump...yet Sanders is *unelectable* (Original Post) Cosmic Kitten May 2016 OP
K&R Katashi_itto May 2016 #1
I about have a bald spot scratched into my head over that one hootinholler May 2016 #2
Isn't it obvious? Oligarchy! Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #4
Enie Meani Mieni Moe - Which of these two fools do I hate more FreakinDJ May 2016 #3
Only one has voted for War... Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #6
While I don't doubt Trump could equal it... Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #7
Bernie voted for more wars and war funding than... JaneyVee May 2016 #14
Before the campaigns began, they polled and 73% said NO Clinton or Bush! ViseGrip May 2016 #5
When neo-cons and conservatives endorse a candidate... Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #8
Sanders is unelectable by any measure. Trust Buster May 2016 #9
Lol, so what does it say about Sanders if he cannot beat the allegedly "disliked" Clinton? Tarc May 2016 #10
It *says* the process is CORRUPT Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #12
Or the simpler and saner answer would be that more voters prefer Hillary's vision Tarc May 2016 #13
Hillarys vision.. of bombing Iran? OR... Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #17
"Her campaign is one big middle finger to 99% of the public" Tarc May 2016 #23
YEAH! Since Sanders meet with the pope and a bird landed on his podium there's no way he could lose! uponit7771 May 2016 #29
He 'd be despised before long. apcalc May 2016 #11
And yet, Hillary has millions of more votes than Don and Bern. JaneyVee May 2016 #15
Kinda like how republican vote AGAINST their self-interest! Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #20
I'm excited I get to vote for Clinton twice and I am very informed on the issues. nt. NCTraveler May 2016 #35
Yay! We don't suck as bad! Buns_of_Fire May 2016 #16
LOL, "we don't suck as bad"...nice Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #22
The drama around here is endless. JoePhilly May 2016 #18
Let's call it pretzel brain. pdsimdars May 2016 #19
I LOVE that Birdie! Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #21
You are free citizen! DookDook May 2016 #24
Hey look, everybody loved Dukakis. nt. Nonhlanhla May 2016 #25
Are you talking about the more than three million more votes for Hillary than Thinkingabout May 2016 #26
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. Beacool May 2016 #37
Sure isn't going to change the facts, it's the math. Thinkingabout May 2016 #38
"unelectable" = "can't be bought/controlled by the Owners" - Trillary/Hump are both . . Triana May 2016 #27
Great video, Triana. +1,000,000. nt. polly7 May 2016 #30
I can point to gun bills in which Sanders voted the way NRA wanted, now can you point to a bill Thinkingabout May 2016 #39
The pic at the bottom is just wrong !! lol uponit7771 May 2016 #28
Rigged Big Time colsohlibgal May 2016 #31
Like continuing to fund the F-35 program, way over budget with massive Thinkingabout May 2016 #40
This is what happens when M$$$M programming felix_numinous May 2016 #32
I don't despise Clinton. NCTraveler May 2016 #33
Well, someone likes her because she's winning. Beacool May 2016 #34
So 6 out of 8 times the candidate with higher unfavorability won? Tommy_Carcetti May 2016 #36
 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
7. While I don't doubt Trump could equal it...
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:20 AM
May 2016

...Princess Weathervane's record of warmongering alone should prevent anyone even remotely progressive from voting for her.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
14. Bernie voted for more wars and war funding than...
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:38 AM
May 2016

Any candidate running on both sides. Womp womp.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
5. Before the campaigns began, they polled and 73% said NO Clinton or Bush!
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:16 AM
May 2016

Our party chose to ignore it, and work together with the media in the Bernie Blackout. Earned media counts have proven this correct.

Sanders owes them NOTHING!

It's rigged indeed. The game has changed. Sanders knows this.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
8. When neo-cons and conservatives endorse a candidate...
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:20 AM
May 2016

that candidate can't be taken seriously
as a *democrat*

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
9. Sanders is unelectable by any measure.
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:22 AM
May 2016

By virtue of the fact that he couldn't even win his own Party's nomination (and I use that term loosely), makes him unelectable. That's just common sense.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
12. It *says* the process is CORRUPT
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:29 AM
May 2016

This primary has been a debacle from the jump.

It would be pathetic to pretend
that the DNC, the Media, and
assorted cronies have been even handed.

FFS, when the Koch oligarchs tepidly endorsed
Clinton it is OBVIOUS to anyone with
two working brain cells whats going on.


Washington (CNN)Oil tycoon and conservative mega-donor Charles Koch had kind words for both Bill and Hillary Clinton in an interview Sunday, saying there was an outside chance he could support her in November.

"We would have to believe her actions would be quite different than her rhetoric. Let me put it that way,
" he said on ABC's "This Week" Sunday. "But on some of the Republican candidates we would -- before we could support them, we'd have to believe their actions will be quite different than the rhetoric we've heard so far."
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/24/politics/charles-koch-hillary-clinton-2016/

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
13. Or the simpler and saner answer would be that more voters prefer Hillary's vision
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:37 AM
May 2016

and reject Sanders'.

It's a shame that your day isn't complete until 10 conspiracies are uncovered before breakfast.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
17. Hillarys vision.. of bombing Iran? OR...
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:47 AM
May 2016

Destroying Syria?

or

maintaining wealth inequality?

or

rejection of single payer healthcare?

or

What? Her fight to keep wage slavery?
What is her vision people prefer?

She has NOTHING but a bunch of disjointed
policy statements that essentially maintain
the current status quo.

Her campaign is one big middle finger to 99%
of the public.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
23. "Her campaign is one big middle finger to 99% of the public"
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:53 AM
May 2016

Yea nearly 60% of the vote has gone her way thus far, so I'd say that not many share your perception of events at hand.

Btw, any particular reason you post in some sort of neo-haiku format? Reading these things is...interesting.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
29. YEAH! Since Sanders meet with the pope and a bird landed on his podium there's no way he could lose!
Fri May 6, 2016, 09:38 AM
May 2016

:rolleyes:@PeopleWhoShyAwayFromReality

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
20. Kinda like how republican vote AGAINST their self-interest!
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:48 AM
May 2016

Interesting how low information voters
always seem to vote against themselves!

Millions of them!

Buns_of_Fire

(17,173 posts)
16. Yay! We don't suck as bad!
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:40 AM
May 2016

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Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
26. Are you talking about the more than three million more votes for Hillary than
Fri May 6, 2016, 09:11 AM
May 2016

Voted for Sanders? Doesn't work that way.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
37. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:03 PM
May 2016

This board has gone batshit crazy since it has become evident that sanders will not be the nominee.

I think I've read less anti-Hillary nonsense on a RW site.

Pathetic and funny at the same time.




 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
27. "unelectable" = "can't be bought/controlled by the Owners" - Trillary/Hump are both . .
Fri May 6, 2016, 09:25 AM
May 2016

. . .either Owned (Clinton) or OwnERS (Clinton and Trump)

The whole 'We never met a big corpat who would kill your Mother and Theirs for profit whom we didn't LOVE" problem is...well....a Problem.

And as we all know, only an expert can deal with the problem:


Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
39. I can point to gun bills in which Sanders voted the way NRA wanted, now can you point to a bill
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:14 PM
May 2016

Where Hillary voted after donations was made.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
31. Rigged Big Time
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:05 AM
May 2016

Big money, Wall Street, the Military Industrial Complex, on and on, yada yada, the oligarchs win either way.

We should have non profit health care. We should have a progressive tax system. We should slash the Hell out of our Defense budget.

Back to taxes....loopholes should go as well....no massive corporation should be able to file out of some tropical Island with one employee there to answer one phone just in case.

Would Hillary make any kind of effort to do any of this? No.....but since she would be running against a dangerous crackpot she would be the best choice.....and that is the frustrating thing for millions of us.

How long, how long, till real change takes place to level the playing field as much as possible? Hint...no real chance till we get public financing of elections to do away with this corrupt system of legalized bribery.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
40. Like continuing to fund the F-35 program, way over budget with massive
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:18 PM
May 2016

Cost over runs and Sanders wants to continue funding Lockheed Martin. Just think how far that trillion dollars could gone on paying down college tuitions.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
32. This is what happens when M$$$M programming
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:55 PM
May 2016

collides with reality, don't waste your brain on trying to combine the two.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
33. I don't despise Clinton.
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:01 PM
May 2016

And Sanders couldn't win the primary. That isn't some cheap shot or anything like that. When your campaign manager states soon after Iowa that he didn't know the rules in Iowa, there might be a problem other than "This game is RIGGED!"

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,166 posts)
36. So 6 out of 8 times the candidate with higher unfavorability won?
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:03 PM
May 2016

7 out of 8 if you consider Gore won the popular vote in 2000.

That pretty much nullifies the unfavorability factor as decisive to me. (Hopefully it doesn't support Trump, as he's far more unfavorable than both Clinton and Sanders.)

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