2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSo, would superdelegates prefer a Trump win to a Sanders win? It would appear so.
A well-heeled lobbyist type insider has less to lose with a Trump presidency than with a Sanders presidency, in my humble opinion.
The notion that Clinton has a better chance of beating trump fails over and over, it's an unsupportable claim.
Therefore, it seems increasingly likely that many democratic superdelegates are not terribly concerned with winning the general election.
Prove me wrong.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/king-bernie-sanders-donald-trump-worst-nightmare-article-1.2624564
I'm with Bernie.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)They know that they can do business with Clinton Inc.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Superdelegates are voting for Hillary because they like her, they trust her, they think she can win, and what's that other thing I'm forgetting.....
Oh yeah, SHE IS WINNING.
Go ahead and try to explain why they should piss all over the voters who had overwhelmingly picked Hillary. That'll work.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I have never seen so much effort put into overturning the will of the people, at least not in a democratic republic.
BTW, is Mr. King some sage we should defer to when it comes to anything political?
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)(a) Have something good to say about Bernie, or
(b) Have something bad to say about Hillary
msongs
(67,393 posts)show a bernie win lol
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Why should anybody give them credence?
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)What you all see in her is beyond me.
Is it the warlike behavior, the promotion abroad of fossil fuel industries, or the corrupt family foundation work that she does?
Gmak
(88 posts)they desire. I have watched and listened for 65 years to Dem politicians defend their not being able to enact progressive/liberal policies whether in power or out. There has essentially been no difference in their impotence whether Dems had the White House, one or both houses of Congress & a majority on the SC. Always some good excuse but I have a simmering contempt and abhorrence of almost all our so-called reps in Washington and at state level, as their own self-interest has corroded any idealism, public spirit, character they might have started with, or they just get worn down by the pervasive corruption. Which is why Bernie is such a phenomenon, a character so ironclad that 35 years of fighting for us has only made him more determined to change our world.
We need to rebuild the D party from the ground up, starting with the elections themselves, which are thoroughly corrupt. Machines flipping votes in Chicago and it's ignored. Not enough ballots printed and voters disenfranchised, nothing done and no remedy. Voters forced to share a polling place with 21,000 other voters and stand in line over 5 hours, legislature says tut tut, too bad. At a minimum, in IL alone, tens of thousands of voters were turned away in the primary due to deliberately printing too few ballots.
Hacker testifies in Congress how easy it is to change software in voting machines and then the sound of silence. I believe in blue states that the Dems skew the votes the same way it's done in red states. As witness the fact that exit polls were considered to be extremely accurate until machine voting became the rule. Now exit polls can be off 10 to 15%! Why otherwise wouldn't there be a huge outcry from the DNC and state parties to go back to paper ballots? Is it any wonder only 29% of voters identify as Dems?
Thanks to gerrymandering by both parties, most super delegates have safe seats and the lobbyists among them win either way. As long as they can still serve their corporate masters in some capacity, since if they lose office they become lobbyists or get appointed to a cabinet or agency post, then run for office again and their corporate sugar daddy kicks in and they win because they are better funded! Why the hell would they want anything in gov. to change?
Thomas Frank hit the nail on the head. Democrats now stand for staying the course as it benefits the professional classes, who really don't have the time or inclination to inquire into the welfare of their fellow citizens on the lower rungs of society, as they seldom encounter them. I like to say the secret slogan of Republicans is "I got mine, screw you". Unfortunately that can now be said about both parties, and Hillary is a neon-lit skyscraper-sized poster for that slogan, as is Drumpf. I have had a nagging suspicion ever since Trump announced that his function, possibly at the instigation of Bill Clinton, was to eliminate the R candidates that she might have trouble with, he wins the nomination, then throws the election and gets some giant secret perk from The Clinton Machine and his brand is definitely enhanced. I am old and won't live to see the fruits of the Revolution that Bernie is leading, but I have more hope for this country and our world, thanks to him, than I have in 40 years.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)I remember, for example, wondering about NAFTA and why Democrats would side with Republicans.
And wondering why more wasn't being done to legitimize non-citizen workers here in California. I mean it's easy to understand how developers and machine shops and food plants might benefit from an underclass, but at that same time Democrats were screaming about human rights (but doing little about workers rights) with the end result being no change in the workforce.
In the end, the powerful all have an interest in keeping wages low, immigrants living in fear, and all the rest.
The worst kind of globalist/corporatist is the kind who wrap up their evil doings in the clothing of compassion, of helping the poor, etc.
Bringing Democracy to Libya? My ass.
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)about politics than all but a very few DUers. So, no. They wouldn't, and they're voting for a winner. Hillary will have won the majority of pledged delegates, and the superdelegates will join those delegates in maker her the nominee.
Why? Because she'll kick Trump's butt in November.
More wishful thinking, I think, than solid reasoning went into your post.