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Thu May 5, 2016, 09:12 AM

 

Heard on NPR this morning (Watch out - left turn ahead for the GOP)

Now before you go and flame this post as RW propaganda, first, remember that is was reported on NPR via WSKG in Binghamton.

This is a warning as to what cards the Republicans have up their sleeves.


Second, bear in mind that Trump has, almost by definition as a non-politician (up until now) no foreign policy backstory to defend. He can paint himself any foreign policy color he wishes - at possible great expense to a hawkish Democratic candidate.

Finally - there is an entire new generation of voters who do not know some of the old names in American political commentary. A 20-something voter is NOT going to dismiss a soundbite heard on the radio as coming from a right-wing-nut if he/she has no idea who the person is.

Scenario: I was driving my younger son (age 20) to work this morning. We were engaged in conversation until a voice I have not heard from in quite a while came on the radio.

It was not Trump's voice.

"Why does the United States have to be up in Russia's face? We don't live there. Going forward into the next presidency, we should encourage the nations that do 'live there' to take the lead in their own defense. We should mind our interests and our treaty obligations and provide support to free nations, not be the world's policeman."

Quoted from memory as best I can remember - it was about an hour ago that I heard this.

The commentator was Pat Buchanan.

My son has no idea who Pat Buchanan is. He asked me 'Dad, I guess that guy does not like war?'

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Reply Heard on NPR this morning (Watch out - left turn ahead for the GOP) (Original post)
CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 OP
dsc May 2016 #1
CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #5
JSup May 2016 #11
Armstead May 2016 #7
Demsrule86 May 2016 #2
CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #4
Armstead May 2016 #6
yourout May 2016 #3
DookDook May 2016 #8
CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #9
virtualobserver May 2016 #10
uhnope May 2016 #12

Response to CompanyFirstSergeant (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:14 AM

1. Yes when I think if leftists the very first name I think of is Pat Buchanan

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Response to dsc (Reply #1)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:18 AM

5. Younger people....

 

....do not know the cast of characters we know.

All they hear are comments on the radio from people who are talking politics.

I actually only knew it was him because I recognized his mousy voice.

I think he was introduced by name while we were still talking in the car.

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Response to CompanyFirstSergeant (Reply #5)

Thu May 5, 2016, 10:23 AM

11. A very good point...

...and a scary one.

As parents, my generation has failed at passing down the things we have learned to our children.

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Response to dsc (Reply #1)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:31 AM

7. It's sad when Buchanan makes more sense than the Democratic frontrunner

 

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Response to CompanyFirstSergeant (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:14 AM

2. Right

You quote Pat Buchannon? And tell us it is not Right wing...he and Trump are racist buds.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #2)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:16 AM

4. You know that.

 

My son did not.

20 year-olds can vote.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #2)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:29 AM

6. Even broken clocks are correct twice a day

 

Buchanan is a racist asshole.

But life is not always cut and dried. On issues of war and peace and the neo-conservatism embraced by Clinton -- and especially our disastrous intervention in Iraq -- he is closer to many democrats than Clinton is.

That's not endorsement of him or Trump. But it does point out the danger of Democrats like Clinton becoming too hawkish.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Pat_Buchanan_War_+_Peace.htm

The price of U.S. occupation of Iraq, the price of U.S. empire in the Muslim world, is terror. The Islamic terrorists of 9/11 were over here because we were over there. We were attacked by suicide bombers in New York for the same reason that our Marines were attacked by a suicide bomber in Beirut. We took sides in a religious civil war, their war, and they want us out of that war. The fifteen hijackers from Saudi Arabia did not fly into the World Trade Center to protest the Bill of Rights. They want us off sacred Saudi soil and out of the Middle East. Is there anything over there--oil, bases, empire--worth risking an atomic bomb on U.S. soil?


The US has unthinkingly embarked upon a neoimperial policy that must involve us in virtually every great war of the coming century-and wars are the death of republics. If we continue on this course of reflexive interventions, enemies will one day answer our power with the weapon of the weak-terror, and eventually cataclysmic terrorism on US soil. But for Bush this war was not..an extension of politics, but a moral imperative that transcended politics. Bush holds that the war on terror is between good and evil and it will not end until we eradicate all terror networks of a global reach. Bush holds to a policy of preemptive and preventative war. This is a formula for endless conflict. “
Source: Where The Right Went Wrong, by Pat Buchanan, p. 13-17&34-35 , Sep 1, 2004
Bush’s war risks the safety of America

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Response to CompanyFirstSergeant (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:15 AM

3. trump can wave at Hillary as she heads right while he...

Heads left.

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Response to CompanyFirstSergeant (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:34 AM

8. This is what I've thought would happen if Trump was the Republican nominee.

My wife and I have talked about how Trump could very easily run left of Secretary Clinton on a bunch of issues and I've seen threads on here talking about how Thom Hartmann was saying about how Trump is already running to the left of the Clinton when it comes to trade deals.

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Response to CompanyFirstSergeant (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:36 AM

9. "That's not endorsement of him or Trump."

 

"But it does point out the danger of Democrats like Clinton becoming too hawkish."

Exactly.

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Response to CompanyFirstSergeant (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 10:03 AM

10. For all his faults, Buchanan is no interventionist. It could be rooted in anti-semitism, however.

 

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Response to CompanyFirstSergeant (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 04:21 PM

12. so what? Buchanan probably admires Putin for his war on liberals in Russia

 

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