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Wed May 4, 2016, 05:19 PM

Do some of you hope Trump wins so you can say "I told you so?"

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I think so, and I wonder who here can admit it.

This is assuming Bernie loses the nomination, of course.

And he may not, but he probably will.

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Reply Do some of you hope Trump wins so you can say "I told you so?" (Original post)
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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:19 PM

1. No. Good god no.

 

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Response to morningfog (Reply #1)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:27 PM

15. What you said!

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:20 PM

2. Nope. nt

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:20 PM

3. You keep thinking your happy thoughts

Though you could not be more wrong.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #3)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:22 PM

4. I am so glad to hear that, I truly am. Knowing more and more Bernie people will vote

for Hillary if they have to, warms my heart.

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Response to Actor (Reply #4)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:26 PM

13. No one is forced to vote for Hillary.

People vote for their own personal reasons, as is their right.

The ONLY thing I care about if Sanders does not win is Democrats vote down ticket especially Sanders' Dems.

Other than that, to each his or her own. Vote your conscious!

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #13)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:27 PM

14. So you dont care if Trump wins the White House?

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Response to Actor (Reply #14)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:32 PM

23. the two do not equate and you know it

 

You're not looking for reassurance, you're looking for an argument.

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Response to demwing (Reply #23)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:33 PM

24. I am confused, either you agree Hillary is ten thousand times more preferable in the WH

than any con or you dont.

Liberals believe she is.

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Response to Actor (Reply #24)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:48 PM

111. See, you've already changed your question

 

you're not looking for answers, you want arguments.

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Response to demwing (Reply #23)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:44 PM

32. Either Clinton or Trump will win in November.

 

If you don't want Trump to win, the only reasonable alternative is to vote for Clinton.

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Response to Actor (Reply #14)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:34 PM

25. Every person has a right to vote for whomever. Neither me, you or Jesus the Christ

can connive/con/force someone into making a decision counter to their own very personal reasons.

If someone chooses not to vote for candidate X or chooses to sit it out, , I will argue/try to convince that change begins at the bottom and we must vote for good liberal candidates down ballot, up ballot be damned.

You are free to read into THAT whatever the hell you want to read into it.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #25)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:36 PM

28. Not reading into anything. You have two choices in November, you are saying you have 3.

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Response to Actor (Reply #28)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:42 PM

31. You read what I said. Go create your little narrative on someone somewhere else.

I'll not allow you or your crew to play that game with me.



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Response to Actor (Reply #28)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:58 PM

134. Probably quite a few more than

 

three will be on many if not all state's ballots.

Yes, Virginia there are more parties in this country than just two.

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Response to Actor (Reply #14)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:50 PM

40. Youre basically trying to blame a trump WH on Bernie people not voting for Hill.

 

Stop the bait bullshit. If it is a Hill nom, we are all screwed, and its on her and her supporters, not us.

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Response to litlbilly (Reply #40)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:52 PM

43. That is exactly who will be to blame. Anyone who would vote for Bernie but wont vote for Hillary

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Response to Actor (Reply #43)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:55 PM

49. I became an indie many years ago, i joined the dem party in july so I could vote for

 

Bernie. I owe you and everyone else exactly nothing. get over it. I will vote for whomever I chose
and feel good about it.

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Response to litlbilly (Reply #49)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:56 PM

51. Owe nothing, correct. Be blamed for Trump, also correct.

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Response to Actor (Reply #51)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:58 PM

56. Good luck with that. btw, ignore for you. getting old real fast

 

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Response to litlbilly (Reply #56)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:04 PM

75. I tend not to respond to this type of bait

 

Especially from someone that just signed up for the site two weeks ago. You know, the CTR people put up $1 million to have people write just the kind of post that this person is writing.

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Response to Ned_Devine (Reply #75)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:06 PM

76. I hear ya. they put a Bernie logo up and think we are fooled.

 

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Response to Actor (Reply #43)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:11 PM

83. Heh, nope.

 

The people who tried to cram Hillary down our throats will be to blame. You were told time and again what would happen and you persisted anyway. Own the consequences of your actions.

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Response to Jester Messiah (Reply #83)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:14 PM

90. Trump thanks you...he really does. The human race not so much.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:23 PM

5. The dregs of identity politics

No, I want democracy back so we can save the planet, purge corruption, and restore social & economic justice for all. Neither presumptive of the nominees takes us in that direction.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:23 PM

6. We Dread having to say it

I will take no joy in it at all.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Reply #6)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:31 PM

20. One prolific poster (who shall remain unnamed) said ...

"I can't wait to tell you I told you so!"

How would you interpret that? As someone who dreads the possibility they've imagined? Or does it express eager hope and anticipation and a desire to say those words?

If someone is hoping for the worst possible outcome for no reason other than "revenge" or the personal satisfaction of having a "told-ya-so" ... I seriously question that person's priorities (and sanity).

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #20)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:35 PM

27. A lot of people have said a lot of stupid shit, here.

Some folks even have transparency pages showing that make it easier to find the worst examples.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #20)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:45 PM

34. I can't speak for others

Only myself.
And I can tell you as a fact that I will never in a million years take joy in seeing a trump presidency.
I don't yearn to be able to throw my prediction in peoples faces.
I want to be wrong.
I want to go to bed on Election night thinking, Well hell! Guess the American Electorate is smarter than I thought!
But this American Electorate reelected Bush 2 , So I have little faith in it.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:23 PM

7. Of course not.

To declare that Hillary will lose is to declare a complete lack of confidence in "people power" (i.e., lack of confidence in our power to make sure that doesn't happen).

Such declarations of powerlessness strike me as being completely at odds with Sanders' message.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:23 PM

8. I think Trump will receive millions of Democratic votes out of fear. This guy is not messing around.

 

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #8)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:26 PM

12. What? Fear of what?

Are you saying there is more to fear from Hillary than Trump?


???

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Response to Actor (Reply #12)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:28 PM

18. Trump is a textbook Fascist. He will not follow the law. As Trump and Sanders decimate Hillary,

 

people might have no choice but to think of the future of their families. Trump is the real deal. He's not messing around.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #18)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:40 PM

29. We have been told time after time over the last eight years that a President is powerless

The American system is designed to thwart fast changes, Trump will get little accomplished without an acquiescent Congress and we all know the Republicans hate him worse then the Democrats.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #29)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:46 PM

35. Trump is a shrewd operator. If he gives Republicans the Supreme Court they want, they will work

 

with him and against us.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #18)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:50 PM

37. I'm not following your logic, here.

if we can call it that.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #37)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:52 PM

45. History is strewn with those who have said the same.

 

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #45)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:53 PM

47. History is strewn with people who couldnt follow your logic?

Fuck, Yoda, how old ARE you?

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #47)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:55 PM

50. That was the same attitude Trump's campaign challengers had. They've been defeated.

 

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #50)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:00 PM

61. Are you drunk?

 

No snark; honest question. You seem intoxicated.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #50)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:21 PM

95. Trump's campaign challengers thought you weren't making any sense?

Old and apparently extremely connected in DC. Impressive!

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:24 PM

9. Well, I'm glad you joined DU to make absurd judgements about people

 

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:24 PM

10. Not me (nt)

 




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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:27 PM

16. Not even a little bit. And I think she'll be a very poor president

 

But she's sane. He is not.

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Response to cali (Reply #16)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:27 PM

17. But you will vote for her if need be, great.

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Response to cali (Reply #16)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:34 PM

26. Four years is all.

I guess we can tolerate her for four years. I don't foresee her running again in 2020. I could be wrong.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:30 PM

19. No! nt

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:31 PM

21. Absolutely f'ing NOT



But here's the issue that scares the living hell out of me.

Trump is changing the decision making vectors in politics. I haven't nailed it down in my own mind but he's forcing people to make different decisions.

There is NO question HRC is far far far (did I say far) more qualified to do the job than anyone in the race. And for those who make their decisions on qualifications, she's a no brainer. But let's not forget the popularity of Dancing with the Stars, Survivor, The Biggest Loser, or The Bachelor...those folks aren't thinking about qualifications. I don't know what the f*ck they're deciding on but this campaign is going to be work, that's for sure.

If Trump successfully turns this into a race between insiders and outsiders...this could get ugly. Think Blackberry. It was a chitty phone but it killed market leader Motorola just by changing the decision vectors.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:41 PM

30. I support Bernie. If that doesn't work out, any shit that happens is on the people who didn't

and caused us to be sent down the wrong path.

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Response to GoneFishin (Reply #30)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:45 PM

33. I dont understand, you mean you will let Trump take over? Really?

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Response to Actor (Reply #33)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:51 PM

42. Nope. I will let you work it out. Like two drunks fighting over who gets to drive. I don't think

either one should get behind the wheel. But since they both told me to fuck off when I offered my opinion I will just let them go at it.

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Response to GoneFishin (Reply #42)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:25 PM

99. Okay, I think we understand you. Count you as a yes.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:47 PM

36. Nice projection

but I doubt that.

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Response to G_j (Reply #36)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:50 PM

39. Seems that way, though. I would go so far as to say that some will make sure and not vote

for Hillary so it can come true.

I think many of the alleged libertarians who support Bernie are not now nor have they ever been liberals, they just think Bernie will put more money in their pockets.

I want Bernie for a variety of reasons, but I dont only care about my pocketbook, some do though.

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Response to Actor (Reply #39)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:35 PM

109. sounds like projection to me

I know dozens of supporters in REAL LIFE. None fit your description.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:50 PM

38. This is an utter bullshit flamebait thread

 

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Response to farleftlib (Reply #38)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:51 PM

41. Really? I apologize to you as you clearly will be voting for the Democrat no matter who it is

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Response to Actor (Reply #41)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:58 PM

54. I will be voting for the true Democrat/progressive/liberal, and that is Bernie.

 

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:52 PM

44. I hope Sanders wins.

 

since anything else will be dire for the country in either the long or short term.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #44)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:53 PM

46. So do you apply equal dire for Hillary and Trump?

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Response to Actor (Reply #46)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:02 PM

65. Yes, it comes down to climate change

 

Trump will work against or to undo any climate mitigation. HRC will drag her feet until the damage is irreversible. Only Sanders will try and act immediately.

All other issues are pretty insignificant next to climate change, and HRC will not cross her Wall Street friends.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #65)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:03 PM

68. So fuck all the minorities and so on, understood.

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Response to Actor (Reply #68)

Wed May 4, 2016, 08:03 PM

135. Pretty rich

 

about minorities when the Clintons both have a history of racist bullshit surrounding them from the 2008 campaign to superpredators being brought to heel to mass incarceration & expansion of the war on drugs to arrogant dismissal of BLM activists, and the list goes on.

You want a candidate for minorities, then you should have gone with Sanders. Now your choices (if you believe there are only two) are Trump and Clinton.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:53 PM

48. No but I will certainly relish doing so if I'm right

It will be the only bright spot in an otherwise dark day.

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #48)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:56 PM

52. So you will enjoy watching the world destroyed. I believe that, I believe some of you

are

well

never mind.

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Response to Actor (Reply #52)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:02 PM

64. with the income inequality, fracking( which your girl not only endorses, but pushes worldwide) we

 

are already destroyed. the heating of the planet is worse than anyone thought. There is a huge list I don't have time to list but just wanted to answer before you go on the ignore list.

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Response to litlbilly (Reply #64)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:02 PM

66. Not my girl, I support her to the same extent Bernie does. You are advocating for Trump.

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Response to Actor (Reply #52)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:04 PM

112. Henry Kissinger is her mentor.

The world is already being destroyed by "statesmen" like him all over the world.

P.S. Your avatar is NOT Dylan. And DU sucked less before you came for your little performance.

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Response to redwitch (Reply #112)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:06 PM

114. not Dylan. And any support of Trump is worse than what I do here.

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Response to Actor (Reply #114)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:08 PM

116. Not supporting Trump.

And you annoy me as much as his followers. Which is why you will shortly be joining my rather cumbersome ignore list.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:57 PM

53. Of course they do.

 

It's obvious in their posts. There's a desperate energy to prove they were right to back Sanders and denigrate Hillary.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:58 PM

55. No, if Sanders is the nominee by some great tragedy

 

I will vote for him as the nominee.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:59 PM

57. No doubt there are some n/t

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:59 PM

58. No

 

I want Bernie to win. Hillary is an obstacle. If she wins it will be sadness and I make no decisions today about what I would do in that case. It is nothing that has to be decided today. If people refuse to look at character and past actions before they vote that blood is on their hands.

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Response to peace13 (Reply #58)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:01 PM

62. The success of the right wing destroy Hillary machine is awesome. I mean I hate to

see allegedly liberal people say the crap some do here about how bad Hillary is, but I know why they do it.

I wish more were not so susceptible but they are.

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Response to Actor (Reply #62)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:03 PM

69. Well I'm liberal..

 

...and say that she comes with a lot of baggage that is hers to own!

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Response to peace13 (Reply #69)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:04 PM

71. So fuck the minorities and everybody Trump will harm, got it.

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Response to Actor (Reply #71)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:13 PM

86. If you were interested in minorities you would be for Bernie.

 

He has had the backs of minorities since day one. And...you don't need to be rude.

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Response to peace13 (Reply #86)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:14 PM

91. I am , but that isnt the point, is it.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:00 PM

59. No, and Hell no...

Jeebus, there's bigger issues in the world than being able to be smug.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:00 PM

60. Some of them do but can't say that out loud.

Its a very very small percentage, but it exists.

Let Trump have 4 years ... wreck everything ... and then Bernie or some new liberal messiah ushers in the revolution. That's the idea.

Its insane, but its out there.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #60)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:02 PM

63. I dont know who to be angrier at, rightwingers who know nothing and vote trump, or

libertarians who know the harm he will do and still do nothing about it.

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Response to Actor (Reply #63)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:07 PM

78. Interesting point ... many of them ...

... hate government so much, letting Trump totally screw things up probably helps their cause. Just more "proof" that the government sucks.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #60)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:04 PM

74. Speaking of insane and out there

 

Look into a mirror, Joe. Nobody in Bernie's camp wants that. You are obviously
projecting. Bernie's revolution does not require, nor would it benefit from, a Trump
term in office.

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Response to farleftlib (Reply #74)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:14 PM

88. Spare me ... I've been on this site for a long time.

There has ALWAYS been a small and angry contingent here who thinks the country will never embrace their version of utopia until the economy totally crashes and capitalism is no more. Anytime the DOW drops over 200 points they see their fantasy future racing towards us.

Meanwhile ... you call this "Bernie's revolution" ... which is nonsense.

Back in 2014, the "revolution" as you call it wanted Warren, not Bernie. Warren said "No", so Bernie said "Ok, I'll do it."

Back in 2011, the "revolution" wanted a primary challenge of Obama. Of course the "revolution" lacked an actual candidate.

The reason the "revolution" fails is because it does not have the determination to build up an ARRAY of "acceptably liberal" candidates at all levels. Instead, the "revolution" waits for a Warren, or a Sanders to step up and slay the dragon.

Its not a winning strategy.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #88)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:23 PM

97. Yeah, a winning strategy

 

Like the DNC putting all their eggs in one basket and supporting only one candidate.
The most distrusted politician ever. The Republicans will make hay with her idiotic and
illegal decision to conduct the country's most delicate and confidential business on an
unsecured server. She's toast and it's not Bernie supporters' fault. It's gonna be a beat
down because people will come out in droves to vote against her and it's not us.

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Response to farleftlib (Reply #97)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:32 PM

108. That's a bunch of ranting, not a statement of "strategy".

The DNC exists to help Democrats get elected. You might argue as to whether they are good at that job, but that is irrelevant.

Bernie decided to become a Democrat and by doing so, has to follow the same rules as any other Democrat.

As for the GOP "making hay" ... I'm sorry, but did you sleep through the Obama Presidency? The GOP will crucify ANY candidate we put forward. Its what they do. The funny thing is, they've been trying to crucify Hillary for more than 2 decades, and she's still standing, and still kicking ass.

The email thing is nonsense, and everyone knows it. Sure, the RW will masturbate itself into a frenzy over it. And some Bernie fans hang all their hopes on it ... but no one else cares. Consider that official government email servers have been HACKED. Hillary's server, was not hacked. Its a scandal in which nothing actually happened.

As for "fault" with Bernie supporters. Who gives a shit? We need another Dem in the White House, period. So sure, you can stay home and pout, or only vote down ticket, or vote green or some other nonsense party.

As I explained earlier ... you guys aren't in for the long haul anyway. The "revolution" is fickle.



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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #108)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:08 PM

118. Wow you accused me of ranting

 

and respond with that delusional crap? Pot meet kettle.

Deal with the fact that HRC is detested and polarizing and she ain't gonna win squat.

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Response to farleftlib (Reply #118)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:11 PM

120. She'll win the Dem nomination and the General election.

But you are free to hope otherwise.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #120)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:19 PM

124. Oh why thank you

 

for taking a break from your pipe dream to grant me your permission to speak truth. You also
may now continue fantasizing about the impossible.

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Response to farleftlib (Reply #124)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:32 PM

125. I predicted that the "revolution" woud waste the years from 2011-2016 ...

... whining about Obama and not building up an arrray of candidates for 2016.

I was right then.

I'll be right in June, and November.

Meanwhile, you will be creating new conspiracy theories as to why you were wrong.



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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #60)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:58 PM

133. unfortunately true.

There is a reddit thread that is higjly upvoted right now which advocates actually voting for trump for that exact reason. Bring about the demise of parties and influence of money in politics. These people are desulusionned to thing electing trump would accomplish that.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:03 PM

67. Getting so tired of this

 

If HRC is the democratic nominee and loses to Trump that's on Hillary and no one else.
She chose her affiliations with wall street, she chose to keep secret her wall street speeches, she chose to flip flop on nearly every liberal social justice issue, she chose to eagerly accept the support of big pharma, private prisons, and corporate thieves, and she certainly should have known using a private server in her own home for secure government business would come under question. And Henry Kissinger !!! really?
She certainly has not earned my vote.

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Response to ciaobaby (Reply #67)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:03 PM

70. BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT

You deserve no more than that.

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Response to Actor (Reply #70)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:11 PM

82. Just a tad sensitive don't you think ? Truth hurts.

 

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Response to ciaobaby (Reply #82)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:13 PM

87. BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:04 PM

72. in the old days, this was called flame bait

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Response to amborin (Reply #72)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:04 PM

73. If you dont want to answer, fine.

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Response to amborin (Reply #72)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:13 PM

85. It still is...

 

The intent of the OP was for the Bernie or Busters to out themselves so the
poster and other Hill bots could pile on. They are coming to the sad but true
realization that HRC will lose badly in the GE and they want to set up a
scapegoat ahead of time to blame the hot mess of a candidate that is HRC.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:06 PM

77. You people need to stop.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:07 PM

79. Do you think your avatar would have baited people with such a question?

I doubt it.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #79)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:09 PM

80. What does that mean?

Dylan would not want to talk to someone who allowed Trump to become president.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:12 PM

84. The people wrongly predicting a Trump victory over Hillary in the GE...

...will all quietly disappear come nighttime November 8th.

Or maybe sooner!

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:14 PM

89. turn on the TV...Trump has already won!!

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:17 PM

92. You are all getting so predictable and boring.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:18 PM

93. Not at all, but I am ready and waiting to say "I told you so" many times. Just because you all

 

have been so adamant at turning down our best chance for Progressive government in decades.

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #93)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:18 PM

94. Yes then, you are looking forward to it, will you help the effort by not voting for her?

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Response to Actor (Reply #94)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:22 PM

96. No, that's your assumption and rather perverse way of spinning things, common in the Hillary Group

 

I find.

My vote, that is for me to know, and depends on how she and the Democratic Party acts. If they pivot every which way to Sunday to some unacceptable rightward stance, then I'm just going to have to see. I will definitely vote and campaign and work for and donate to every Democrat that stands up for traditional Democratic values however.

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #96)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:23 PM

98. Love this answer, if HIllary GIVES YOU PERSONALLY what YOU PERSONALLY want

you might vote for her.

And if you dont then so who the fuck cares about the people Trump will harm.


Jesus christ, this SICK

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Response to Actor (Reply #98)

Wed May 4, 2016, 08:06 PM

136. So you are voting for Clinton out of the goodness

 

of your heart with no selfish intentions?

That is a steaming pile of bullshit.

You and everyone else who supports here believes you will get something under her administration. She will promise and pander like any pol except she has a history of flip flopping, lying, and fucking over those who brought her to the dance.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:25 PM

100. Too many assumptions there. Short answer: no.

 

I'll say this: I'd like to have a better sense of what a President Trump would do wrt foreign policy.

Clinton is a clear and present danger to world peace.

Lots of (non-white) people are going to die, unnecessarily, under a Clinton presidency. ( I include "non-white" because there's a chance it it will catch the attention of some portion of a huge portion her slavish, star-struck political fan-base.)

This we know by what she's said, and by what she's done. Over many years.

Trump is a tabula rasa...Christ, Clintonites, look it up if you don't know what it means.... in spite of his vague/wild/ pronouncements re.
ISIS, etc.

It *appears* that he ( Trump) knows next to nothing.

However.... ignorance ... in this VERY particular case....may indeed be bliss.

All, i know for *sure* is that I don't want Clinton conducting US foreign policy over the next four years.

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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Reply #100)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:26 PM

103. Jesus, I cant believe what I am reading. I really cant...S I G H

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Response to Actor (Reply #103)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:32 PM

107. Emote... if you wish.

 

That takes a minute. More or less. ( You're right on time.)

*Reflection* .... esp. when the proposition challenges one's biases... usually take s a lot longer.

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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Reply #107)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:18 PM

123. He or she learned how to emote in drama school.

Fainting will be next.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:26 PM

101. If there are, they probably won't have to "hope" too hard. nt

 

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #101)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:27 PM

104. Another Trump supporter? Is that what I can take from this?

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Response to Actor (Reply #104)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:29 PM

105. You can take away whatever floats your boat I suppose.

 

Trump falls into the same category as Hillary for me; unsupportable.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:26 PM

102. Either Trump or Clinton winning will afford us ample opportunities on that score.

Mark my words.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:31 PM

106. You are probably right

And it makes me wonder why so many people are stuck in adolecence.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:47 PM

110. The thought of a Trump presidency scares the hell out of me

I think Hillary will not win the general. That does not mean I want her to not win the general.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:06 PM

113. I'll vote my conscience and let the cards fall where they may.

The lessor of two evils is still evil.

Not good enough. What you may or may not think of my position, means absolutely jack shit to me. Save your scare tactics for the feeble-minded.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #113)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:07 PM

115. let the cards fall, translation: you dont give a shit who it harms

Thanks for being honest about it though.

To be honest and fair, is this place supposed to be only for liberals?

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Response to Actor (Reply #115)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:16 PM

121. Clinton people don't give a shit who they harm.

I actually am a liberal. Clinton isn't, but she does play one on the campaign stages. I'm not fooled by her lies, I guess you are.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #121)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:17 PM

122. Either you are part of the process that stops Trump from destroying the country and maybe

all life on the planet, or you are not.

I get the feeling you will opt out and let him destroy.

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Response to Actor (Reply #122)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:39 PM

127. Bullshit.

"Stopping tRump" isn't enough. Neoliberals are NOT liberals. Republican Lite will only delay the damage.

We NEED an actual real liberal in the WH.

You really don't know what an actual real liberal is, do you?

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #127)

Wed May 4, 2016, 08:07 PM

138. He doesn't get paid

 

to know what an actual liberal is.

He is just another low post count poster that we have seen more and more of here at DU pushing the 'you want Trump' meme if you don't vote for Clinton.

It is FUD. It is bullshit. It is propaganda.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:08 PM

117. It is my policy to put posters on ignore who have decided

 

to arrive in the last couple of months to this site.

Buh Bye!

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Response to artislife (Reply #117)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:11 PM

119. Trump thanks you

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:38 PM

126. No. But if he does, I will.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:45 PM

128. There have been quite a few posts stating that Hilary will lose to Trump.

I think that some do secretly wish that she would lose so they can rub it in our faces. The fact that a Trump win would damage the country in many ways, seems to be something that doesn't concern them much.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:50 PM

129. No! We hope Bernie wins so we can say "We told you so!"

 

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:51 PM

130. Your post is crap.

I told you so.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:57 PM

131. No. But I am telling you right now that it's a bad idea to run her.

 

I will take no joy in telling you that you were told. But none of that has come to pass, and it doesn't have to if we nominate a Sanders.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:57 PM

132. Sadly, if we must inform y'all

 

that y'all were wrong to pick Clinton, then there is little joy in that.

On the plus side, 2018 will be a strong Democratic mid-term turn-out and 2020 should be as well.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 08:07 PM

137. Er...no. Just no. nt

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 08:11 PM

139. Not exactly, no.

 

Trump winning would be bad. Possibly spectacularly bad. I only barely prefer Princess Weathervane...but I do prefer her.

But if/when she loses, will I return here after the GE, un-Ignore the worst of the Hillary camp, the condescending, nasty jackass contingent, and rub their noses in it as a way to alleviate, if only for a moment, my fears for the future? Fucking right I will...

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