Wed May 4, 2016, 05:19 PM

Actor (626 posts)

Do some of you hope Trump wins so you can say "I told you so?"

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I think so, and I wonder who here can admit it.

This is assuming Bernie loses the nomination, of course.

And he may not, but he probably will.

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139 replies	Author	Time	Post
Do some of you hope Trump wins so you can say "I told you so?" (Original post)	Actor	May 2016	OP
No. Good god no.	morningfog	May 2016	#1
What you said!	beveeheart	May 2016	#15
Nope. nt	chknltl	May 2016	#2
You keep thinking your happy thoughts	nc4bo	May 2016	#3
I am so glad to hear that, I truly am. Knowing more and more Bernie people will vote	Actor	May 2016	#4
No one is forced to vote for Hillary.	nc4bo	May 2016	#13
So you dont care if Trump wins the White House?	Actor	May 2016	#14
the two do not equate and you know it	demwing	May 2016	#23
I am confused, either you agree Hillary is ten thousand times more preferable in the WH	Actor	May 2016	#24
See, you've already changed your question	demwing	May 2016	#111
Either Clinton or Trump will win in November.	Adrahil	May 2016	#32
Every person has a right to vote for whomever. Neither me, you or Jesus the Christ	nc4bo	May 2016	#25
Not reading into anything. You have two choices in November, you are saying you have 3.	Actor	May 2016	#28
You read what I said. Go create your little narrative on someone somewhere else.	nc4bo	May 2016	#31
Probably quite a few more than	TM99	May 2016	#134
Youre basically trying to blame a trump WH on Bernie people not voting for Hill.	litlbilly	May 2016	#40
That is exactly who will be to blame. Anyone who would vote for Bernie but wont vote for Hillary	Actor	May 2016	#43
I became an indie many years ago, i joined the dem party in july so I could vote for	litlbilly	May 2016	#49
Owe nothing, correct. Be blamed for Trump, also correct.	Actor	May 2016	#51
Good luck with that. btw, ignore for you. getting old real fast	litlbilly	May 2016	#56
I tend not to respond to this type of bait	Ned_Devine	May 2016	#75
I hear ya. they put a Bernie logo up and think we are fooled.	litlbilly	May 2016	#76
Heh, nope.	Jester Messiah	May 2016	#83
Trump thanks you...he really does. The human race not so much.	Actor	May 2016	#90
The dregs of identity politics	Fairgo	May 2016	#5
We Dread having to say it	Sky Masterson	May 2016	#6
One prolific poster (who shall remain unnamed) said ...	NurseJackie	May 2016	#20
A lot of people have said a lot of stupid shit, here.	Warren DeMontague	May 2016	#27
I can't speak for others	Sky Masterson	May 2016	#34
Of course not.	pat_k	May 2016	#7
I think Trump will receive millions of Democratic votes out of fear. This guy is not messing around.	Trust Buster	May 2016	#8
What? Fear of what?	Actor	May 2016	#12
Trump is a textbook Fascist. He will not follow the law. As Trump and Sanders decimate Hillary,	Trust Buster	May 2016	#18
This message was self-deleted by its author	Actor	May 2016	#22
We have been told time after time over the last eight years that a President is powerless	Fumesucker	May 2016	#29
Trump is a shrewd operator. If he gives Republicans the Supreme Court they want, they will work	Trust Buster	May 2016	#35
I'm not following your logic, here.	Warren DeMontague	May 2016	#37
History is strewn with those who have said the same.	Trust Buster	May 2016	#45
History is strewn with people who couldnt follow your logic?	Warren DeMontague	May 2016	#47
That was the same attitude Trump's campaign challengers had. They've been defeated.	Trust Buster	May 2016	#50
Are you drunk?	Codeine	May 2016	#61
Trump's campaign challengers thought you weren't making any sense?	Warren DeMontague	May 2016	#95
Well, I'm glad you joined DU to make absurd judgements about people	arcane1	May 2016	#9
Not me (nt)	bigwillq	May 2016	#10
This message was self-deleted by its author	Gomez163	May 2016	#11
Not even a little bit. And I think she'll be a very poor president	cali	May 2016	#16
But you will vote for her if need be, great.	Actor	May 2016	#17
Four years is all.	Blue_In_AK	May 2016	#26
No! nt	redwitch	May 2016	#19
Absolutely f'ing NOT	CincyDem	May 2016	#21
I support Bernie. If that doesn't work out, any shit that happens is on the people who didn't	GoneFishin	May 2016	#30
I dont understand, you mean you will let Trump take over? Really?	Actor	May 2016	#33
Nope. I will let you work it out. Like two drunks fighting over who gets to drive. I don't think	GoneFishin	May 2016	#42
Okay, I think we understand you. Count you as a yes.	WhiteTara	May 2016	#99
Nice projection	G_j	May 2016	#36
Seems that way, though. I would go so far as to say that some will make sure and not vote	Actor	May 2016	#39
sounds like projection to me	G_j	May 2016	#109
This is an utter bullshit flamebait thread	farleftlib	May 2016	#38
Really? I apologize to you as you clearly will be voting for the Democrat no matter who it is	Actor	May 2016	#41
I will be voting for the true Democrat/progressive/liberal, and that is Bernie.	litlbilly	May 2016	#54
I hope Sanders wins.	Kelvin Mace	May 2016	#44
So do you apply equal dire for Hillary and Trump?	Actor	May 2016	#46
Yes, it comes down to climate change	Kelvin Mace	May 2016	#65
So fuck all the minorities and so on, understood.	Actor	May 2016	#68
Pretty rich	TM99	May 2016	#135
No but I will certainly relish doing so if I'm right	ibegurpard	May 2016	#48
So you will enjoy watching the world destroyed. I believe that, I believe some of you	Actor	May 2016	#52
with the income inequality, fracking( which your girl not only endorses, but pushes worldwide) we	litlbilly	May 2016	#64
Not my girl, I support her to the same extent Bernie does. You are advocating for Trump.	Actor	May 2016	#66
Henry Kissinger is her mentor.	redwitch	May 2016	#112
not Dylan. And any support of Trump is worse than what I do here.	Actor	May 2016	#114
Not supporting Trump.	redwitch	May 2016	#116
Of course they do.	Codeine	May 2016	#53
No, if Sanders is the nominee by some great tragedy	The Second Stone	May 2016	#55
No doubt there are some n/t	doc03	May 2016	#57
No	peace13	May 2016	#58
The success of the right wing destroy Hillary machine is awesome. I mean I hate to	Actor	May 2016	#62
Well I'm liberal..	peace13	May 2016	#69
So fuck the minorities and everybody Trump will harm, got it.	Actor	May 2016	#71
If you were interested in minorities you would be for Bernie.	peace13	May 2016	#86
I am , but that isnt the point, is it.	Actor	May 2016	#91
No, and Hell no...	whathehell	May 2016	#59
Some of them do but can't say that out loud.	JoePhilly	May 2016	#60
I dont know who to be angrier at, rightwingers who know nothing and vote trump, or	Actor	May 2016	#63
Interesting point ... many of them ...	JoePhilly	May 2016	#78
Speaking of insane and out there	farleftlib	May 2016	#74
Spare me ... I've been on this site for a long time.	JoePhilly	May 2016	#88
Yeah, a winning strategy	farleftlib	May 2016	#97
That's a bunch of ranting, not a statement of "strategy".	JoePhilly	May 2016	#108
Wow you accused me of ranting	farleftlib	May 2016	#118
She'll win the Dem nomination and the General election.	JoePhilly	May 2016	#120
Oh why thank you	farleftlib	May 2016	#124
I predicted that the "revolution" woud waste the years from 2011-2016 ...	JoePhilly	May 2016	#125
unfortunately true.	drray23	May 2016	#133
Getting so tired of this	ciaobaby	May 2016	#67
BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT	Actor	May 2016	#70
Just a tad sensitive don't you think ? Truth hurts.	ciaobaby	May 2016	#82
BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT	Actor	May 2016	#87
in the old days, this was called flame bait	amborin	May 2016	#72
If you dont want to answer, fine.	Actor	May 2016	#73
It still is...	farleftlib	May 2016	#85
You people need to stop.	danimich1	May 2016	#77
Do you think your avatar would have baited people with such a question?	pangaia	May 2016	#79
What does that mean?	Actor	May 2016	#80
This message was self-deleted by its author	pangaia	May 2016	#81
The people wrongly predicting a Trump victory over Hillary in the GE...	Scurrilous	May 2016	#84
turn on the TV...Trump has already won!!	Jack Bone	May 2016	#89
You are all getting so predictable and boring.	NRaleighLiberal	May 2016	#92
Not at all, but I am ready and waiting to say "I told you so" many times. Just because you all	highprincipleswork	May 2016	#93
Yes then, you are looking forward to it, will you help the effort by not voting for her?	Actor	May 2016	#94
No, that's your assumption and rather perverse way of spinning things, common in the Hillary Group	highprincipleswork	May 2016	#96
Love this answer, if HIllary GIVES YOU PERSONALLY what YOU PERSONALLY want	Actor	May 2016	#98
So you are voting for Clinton out of the goodness	TM99	May 2016	#136
Too many assumptions there. Short answer: no.	Smarmie Doofus	May 2016	#100
Jesus, I cant believe what I am reading. I really cant...S I G H	Actor	May 2016	#103
Emote... if you wish.	Smarmie Doofus	May 2016	#107
He or she learned how to emote in drama school.	redwitch	May 2016	#123
If there are, they probably won't have to "hope" too hard. nt	NorthCarolina	May 2016	#101
Another Trump supporter? Is that what I can take from this?	Actor	May 2016	#104
You can take away whatever floats your boat I suppose.	NorthCarolina	May 2016	#105
Either Trump or Clinton winning will afford us ample opportunities on that score.	GreenPartyVoter	May 2016	#102
You are probably right	tymorial	May 2016	#106
The thought of a Trump presidency scares the hell out of me	Marrah_G	May 2016	#110
I'll vote my conscience and let the cards fall where they may.	99Forever	May 2016	#113
let the cards fall, translation: you dont give a shit who it harms	Actor	May 2016	#115
Clinton people don't give a shit who they harm.	99Forever	May 2016	#121
Either you are part of the process that stops Trump from destroying the country and maybe	Actor	May 2016	#122
Bullshit.	99Forever	May 2016	#127
He doesn't get paid	TM99	May 2016	#138
It is my policy to put posters on ignore who have decided	artislife	May 2016	#117
Trump thanks you	Actor	May 2016	#119
No. But if he does, I will.	NV Whino	May 2016	#126
There have been quite a few posts stating that Hilary will lose to Trump.	Beacool	May 2016	#128
No! We hope Bernie wins so we can say "We told you so!"	B Calm	May 2016	#129
Your post is crap.	kayakjohnny	May 2016	#130
No. But I am telling you right now that it's a bad idea to run her.	DisgustipatedinCA	May 2016	#131
Sadly, if we must inform y'all	TM99	May 2016	#132
Er...no. Just no. nt	LWolf	May 2016	#137
Not exactly, no.	Lizzie Poppet	May 2016	#139

Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:19 PM

morningfog (18,115 posts)

1. No. Good god no.

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Wed May 4, 2016, 05:27 PM

beveeheart (1,211 posts)

15. What you said!

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:20 PM

chknltl (10,558 posts)

2. Nope. nt

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Wed May 4, 2016, 05:20 PM

nc4bo (17,651 posts)

3. You keep thinking your happy thoughts

Though you could not be more wrong.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #3)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:22 PM

Actor (626 posts)

4. I am so glad to hear that, I truly am. Knowing more and more Bernie people will vote

for Hillary if they have to, warms my heart.

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Response to Actor (Reply #4)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:26 PM

nc4bo (17,651 posts)

13. No one is forced to vote for Hillary.

People vote for their own personal reasons, as is their right.

The ONLY thing I care about if Sanders does not win is Democrats vote down ticket especially Sanders' Dems.

Other than that, to each his or her own. Vote your conscious!

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #13)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:27 PM

Actor (626 posts)

14. So you dont care if Trump wins the White House?

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Response to Actor (Reply #14)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:32 PM

demwing (16,916 posts)

23. the two do not equate and you know it

You're not looking for reassurance, you're looking for an argument.

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Response to demwing (Reply #23)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:33 PM

Actor (626 posts)

24. I am confused, either you agree Hillary is ten thousand times more preferable in the WH

than any con or you dont.

Liberals believe she is.

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Response to Actor (Reply #24)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:48 PM

demwing (16,916 posts)

111. See, you've already changed your question

you're not looking for answers, you want arguments.

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Response to demwing (Reply #23)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:44 PM

Adrahil (13,340 posts)

32. Either Clinton or Trump will win in November.

If you don't want Trump to win, the only reasonable alternative is to vote for Clinton.

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Response to Actor (Reply #14)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:34 PM

nc4bo (17,651 posts)

25. Every person has a right to vote for whomever. Neither me, you or Jesus the Christ

can connive/con/force someone into making a decision counter to their own very personal reasons.

If someone chooses not to vote for candidate X or chooses to sit it out, , I will argue/try to convince that change begins at the bottom and we must vote for good liberal candidates down ballot, up ballot be damned.

You are free to read into THAT whatever the hell you want to read into it.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #25)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:36 PM

Actor (626 posts)

28. Not reading into anything. You have two choices in November, you are saying you have 3.

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Response to Actor (Reply #28)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:42 PM

nc4bo (17,651 posts)

31. You read what I said. Go create your little narrative on someone somewhere else.

I'll not allow you or your crew to play that game with me.

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Response to Actor (Reply #28)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:58 PM

TM99 (8,352 posts)

134. Probably quite a few more than

three will be on many if not all state's ballots.

Yes, Virginia there are more parties in this country than just two.

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Response to Actor (Reply #14)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:50 PM

litlbilly (2,227 posts)

40. Youre basically trying to blame a trump WH on Bernie people not voting for Hill.

Stop the bait bullshit. If it is a Hill nom, we are all screwed, and its on her and her supporters, not us.

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Response to litlbilly (Reply #40)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:52 PM

Actor (626 posts)

43. That is exactly who will be to blame. Anyone who would vote for Bernie but wont vote for Hillary

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Wed May 4, 2016, 05:55 PM

litlbilly (2,227 posts)

49. I became an indie many years ago, i joined the dem party in july so I could vote for

Bernie. I owe you and everyone else exactly nothing. get over it. I will vote for whomever I chose
and feel good about it.

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Response to litlbilly (Reply #49)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:56 PM

Actor (626 posts)

51. Owe nothing, correct. Be blamed for Trump, also correct.

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Wed May 4, 2016, 05:58 PM

litlbilly (2,227 posts)

56. Good luck with that. btw, ignore for you. getting old real fast

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Wed May 4, 2016, 06:04 PM

Ned_Devine (3,146 posts)

75. I tend not to respond to this type of bait

Especially from someone that just signed up for the site two weeks ago. You know, the CTR people put up $1 million to have people write just the kind of post that this person is writing.

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Response to Ned_Devine (Reply #75)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:06 PM

litlbilly (2,227 posts)

76. I hear ya. they put a Bernie logo up and think we are fooled.

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Response to Actor (Reply #43)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:11 PM

Jester Messiah (4,711 posts)

83. Heh, nope.

The people who tried to cram Hillary down our throats will be to blame. You were told time and again what would happen and you persisted anyway. Own the consequences of your actions.

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Response to Jester Messiah (Reply #83)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:14 PM

Actor (626 posts)

90. Trump thanks you...he really does. The human race not so much.

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Wed May 4, 2016, 05:23 PM

Fairgo (1,571 posts)

5. The dregs of identity politics

No, I want democracy back so we can save the planet, purge corruption, and restore social & economic justice for all. Neither presumptive of the nominees takes us in that direction.

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Wed May 4, 2016, 05:23 PM

Sky Masterson (5,240 posts)

6. We Dread having to say it

I will take no joy in it at all.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Reply #6)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:31 PM

NurseJackie (38,718 posts)

20. One prolific poster (who shall remain unnamed) said ...

"I can't wait to tell you I told you so!"

How would you interpret that? As someone who dreads the possibility they've imagined? Or does it express eager hope and anticipation and a desire to say those words?

If someone is hoping for the worst possible outcome for no reason other than "revenge" or the personal satisfaction of having a "told-ya-so" ... I seriously question that person's priorities (and sanity).

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #20)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:35 PM

Warren DeMontague (80,708 posts)

27. A lot of people have said a lot of stupid shit, here.

Some folks even have transparency pages showing that make it easier to find the worst examples.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #20)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:45 PM

Sky Masterson (5,240 posts)

34. I can't speak for others

Only myself.
And I can tell you as a fact that I will never in a million years take joy in seeing a trump presidency.
I don't yearn to be able to throw my prediction in peoples faces.
I want to be wrong.
I want to go to bed on Election night thinking, Well hell! Guess the American Electorate is smarter than I thought!
But this American Electorate reelected Bush 2 , So I have little faith in it.

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Wed May 4, 2016, 05:23 PM

pat_k (9,289 posts)

7. Of course not.

To declare that Hillary will lose is to declare a complete lack of confidence in "people power" (i.e., lack of confidence in our power to make sure that doesn't happen).

Such declarations of powerlessness strike me as being completely at odds with Sanders' message.

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Wed May 4, 2016, 05:23 PM

Trust Buster (7,299 posts)

8. I think Trump will receive millions of Democratic votes out of fear. This guy is not messing around.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #8)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:26 PM

Actor (626 posts)

12. What? Fear of what?

Are you saying there is more to fear from Hillary than Trump?

???

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Wed May 4, 2016, 05:28 PM

Trust Buster (7,299 posts)

18. Trump is a textbook Fascist. He will not follow the law. As Trump and Sanders decimate Hillary,

people might have no choice but to think of the future of their families. Trump is the real deal. He's not messing around.

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Wed May 4, 2016, 05:40 PM

Fumesucker (45,851 posts)

29. We have been told time after time over the last eight years that a President is powerless

The American system is designed to thwart fast changes, Trump will get little accomplished without an acquiescent Congress and we all know the Republicans hate him worse then the Democrats.

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Wed May 4, 2016, 05:46 PM

Trust Buster (7,299 posts)

35. Trump is a shrewd operator. If he gives Republicans the Supreme Court they want, they will work

with him and against us.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #18)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:50 PM

Warren DeMontague (80,708 posts)

37. I'm not following your logic, here.

if we can call it that.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #37)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:52 PM

Trust Buster (7,299 posts)

45. History is strewn with those who have said the same.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #45)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:53 PM

Warren DeMontague (80,708 posts)

47. History is strewn with people who couldnt follow your logic?

Fuck, Yoda, how old ARE you?

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Wed May 4, 2016, 05:55 PM

Trust Buster (7,299 posts)

50. That was the same attitude Trump's campaign challengers had. They've been defeated.

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Wed May 4, 2016, 06:00 PM

Codeine (25,586 posts)

61. Are you drunk?

No snark; honest question. You seem intoxicated.

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Wed May 4, 2016, 06:21 PM

Warren DeMontague (80,708 posts)

95. Trump's campaign challengers thought you weren't making any sense?

Old and apparently extremely connected in DC. Impressive!

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Wed May 4, 2016, 05:24 PM

arcane1 (38,613 posts)

9. Well, I'm glad you joined DU to make absurd judgements about people

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Wed May 4, 2016, 05:24 PM

bigwillq (72,790 posts)

10. Not me (nt)

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Wed May 4, 2016, 05:27 PM

cali (114,904 posts)

16. Not even a little bit. And I think she'll be a very poor president

But she's sane. He is not.

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Wed May 4, 2016, 05:27 PM

Actor (626 posts)

17. But you will vote for her if need be, great.

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Wed May 4, 2016, 05:34 PM

Blue_In_AK (46,436 posts)

26. Four years is all.

I guess we can tolerate her for four years. I don't foresee her running again in 2020. I could be wrong.

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Wed May 4, 2016, 05:30 PM

redwitch (14,448 posts)

19. No! nt

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Wed May 4, 2016, 05:31 PM

CincyDem (4,945 posts)

21. Absolutely f'ing NOT

But here's the issue that scares the living hell out of me.

Trump is changing the decision making vectors in politics. I haven't nailed it down in my own mind but he's forcing people to make different decisions.

There is NO question HRC is far far far (did I say far) more qualified to do the job than anyone in the race. And for those who make their decisions on qualifications, she's a no brainer. But let's not forget the popularity of Dancing with the Stars, Survivor, The Biggest Loser, or The Bachelor...those folks aren't thinking about qualifications. I don't know what the f*ck they're deciding on but this campaign is going to be work, that's for sure.

If Trump successfully turns this into a race between insiders and outsiders...this could get ugly. Think Blackberry. It was a chitty phone but it killed market leader Motorola just by changing the decision vectors.

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Wed May 4, 2016, 05:41 PM

GoneFishin (5,217 posts)

30. I support Bernie. If that doesn't work out, any shit that happens is on the people who didn't

and caused us to be sent down the wrong path.

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Response to GoneFishin (Reply #30)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:45 PM

Actor (626 posts)

33. I dont understand, you mean you will let Trump take over? Really?

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Response to Actor (Reply #33)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:51 PM

GoneFishin (5,217 posts)

42. Nope. I will let you work it out. Like two drunks fighting over who gets to drive. I don't think

either one should get behind the wheel. But since they both told me to fuck off when I offered my opinion I will just let them go at it.

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Response to GoneFishin (Reply #42)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:25 PM

WhiteTara (27,140 posts)

99. Okay, I think we understand you. Count you as a yes.

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Wed May 4, 2016, 05:47 PM

G_j (40,199 posts)

36. Nice projection

but I doubt that.

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Wed May 4, 2016, 05:50 PM

Actor (626 posts)

39. Seems that way, though. I would go so far as to say that some will make sure and not vote

for Hillary so it can come true.

I think many of the alleged libertarians who support Bernie are not now nor have they ever been liberals, they just think Bernie will put more money in their pockets.

I want Bernie for a variety of reasons, but I dont only care about my pocketbook, some do though.

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Response to Actor (Reply #39)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:35 PM

G_j (40,199 posts)

109. sounds like projection to me

I know dozens of supporters in REAL LIFE. None fit your description.

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Wed May 4, 2016, 05:50 PM

farleftlib (2,125 posts)

38. This is an utter bullshit flamebait thread

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Response to farleftlib (Reply #38)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:51 PM

Actor (626 posts)

41. Really? I apologize to you as you clearly will be voting for the Democrat no matter who it is

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Response to Actor (Reply #41)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:58 PM

litlbilly (2,227 posts)

54. I will be voting for the true Democrat/progressive/liberal, and that is Bernie.

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Wed May 4, 2016, 05:52 PM

Kelvin Mace (17,469 posts)

44. I hope Sanders wins.

since anything else will be dire for the country in either the long or short term.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #44)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:53 PM

Actor (626 posts)

46. So do you apply equal dire for Hillary and Trump?

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Response to Actor (Reply #46)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:02 PM

Kelvin Mace (17,469 posts)

65. Yes, it comes down to climate change

Trump will work against or to undo any climate mitigation. HRC will drag her feet until the damage is irreversible. Only Sanders will try and act immediately.

All other issues are pretty insignificant next to climate change, and HRC will not cross her Wall Street friends.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #65)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:03 PM

Actor (626 posts)

68. So fuck all the minorities and so on, understood.

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Response to Actor (Reply #68)

Wed May 4, 2016, 08:03 PM

TM99 (8,352 posts)

135. Pretty rich

about minorities when the Clintons both have a history of racist bullshit surrounding them from the 2008 campaign to superpredators being brought to heel to mass incarceration & expansion of the war on drugs to arrogant dismissal of BLM activists, and the list goes on.

You want a candidate for minorities, then you should have gone with Sanders. Now your choices (if you believe there are only two) are Trump and Clinton.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:53 PM

ibegurpard (16,420 posts)

48. No but I will certainly relish doing so if I'm right

It will be the only bright spot in an otherwise dark day.

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #48)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:56 PM

Actor (626 posts)

52. So you will enjoy watching the world destroyed. I believe that, I believe some of you

are

well

never mind.

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Response to Actor (Reply #52)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:02 PM

litlbilly (2,227 posts)

64. with the income inequality, fracking( which your girl not only endorses, but pushes worldwide) we

are already destroyed. the heating of the planet is worse than anyone thought. There is a huge list I don't have time to list but just wanted to answer before you go on the ignore list.

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Response to litlbilly (Reply #64)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:02 PM

Actor (626 posts)

66. Not my girl, I support her to the same extent Bernie does. You are advocating for Trump.

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Response to Actor (Reply #52)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:04 PM

redwitch (14,448 posts)

112. Henry Kissinger is her mentor.

The world is already being destroyed by "statesmen" like him all over the world.

P.S. Your avatar is NOT Dylan. And DU sucked less before you came for your little performance.

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Response to redwitch (Reply #112)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:06 PM

Actor (626 posts)

114. not Dylan. And any support of Trump is worse than what I do here.

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Response to Actor (Reply #114)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:08 PM

redwitch (14,448 posts)

116. Not supporting Trump.

And you annoy me as much as his followers. Which is why you will shortly be joining my rather cumbersome ignore list.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:57 PM

Codeine (25,586 posts)

53. Of course they do.

It's obvious in their posts. There's a desperate energy to prove they were right to back Sanders and denigrate Hillary.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:58 PM

The Second Stone (2,900 posts)

55. No, if Sanders is the nominee by some great tragedy

I will vote for him as the nominee.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:59 PM

doc03 (27,376 posts)

57. No doubt there are some n/t

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 05:59 PM

peace13 (11,076 posts)

58. No

I want Bernie to win. Hillary is an obstacle. If she wins it will be sadness and I make no decisions today about what I would do in that case. It is nothing that has to be decided today. If people refuse to look at character and past actions before they vote that blood is on their hands.

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Response to peace13 (Reply #58)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:01 PM

Actor (626 posts)

62. The success of the right wing destroy Hillary machine is awesome. I mean I hate to

see allegedly liberal people say the crap some do here about how bad Hillary is, but I know why they do it.

I wish more were not so susceptible but they are.

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Response to Actor (Reply #62)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:03 PM

peace13 (11,076 posts)

69. Well I'm liberal..

...and say that she comes with a lot of baggage that is hers to own!

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Response to peace13 (Reply #69)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:04 PM

Actor (626 posts)

71. So fuck the minorities and everybody Trump will harm, got it.

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Response to Actor (Reply #71)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:13 PM

peace13 (11,076 posts)

86. If you were interested in minorities you would be for Bernie.

He has had the backs of minorities since day one. And...you don't need to be rude.

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Response to peace13 (Reply #86)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:14 PM

Actor (626 posts)

91. I am , but that isnt the point, is it.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:00 PM

whathehell (25,667 posts)

59. No, and Hell no...

Jeebus, there's bigger issues in the world than being able to be smug.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:00 PM

JoePhilly (27,787 posts)

60. Some of them do but can't say that out loud.

Its a very very small percentage, but it exists.

Let Trump have 4 years ... wreck everything ... and then Bernie or some new liberal messiah ushers in the revolution. That's the idea.

Its insane, but its out there.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #60)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:02 PM

Actor (626 posts)

63. I dont know who to be angrier at, rightwingers who know nothing and vote trump, or

libertarians who know the harm he will do and still do nothing about it.

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Response to Actor (Reply #63)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:07 PM

JoePhilly (27,787 posts)

78. Interesting point ... many of them ...

... hate government so much, letting Trump totally screw things up probably helps their cause. Just more "proof" that the government sucks.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #60)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:04 PM

farleftlib (2,125 posts)

74. Speaking of insane and out there

Look into a mirror, Joe. Nobody in Bernie's camp wants that. You are obviously
projecting. Bernie's revolution does not require, nor would it benefit from, a Trump
term in office.

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Response to farleftlib (Reply #74)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:14 PM

JoePhilly (27,787 posts)

88. Spare me ... I've been on this site for a long time.

There has ALWAYS been a small and angry contingent here who thinks the country will never embrace their version of utopia until the economy totally crashes and capitalism is no more. Anytime the DOW drops over 200 points they see their fantasy future racing towards us.

Meanwhile ... you call this "Bernie's revolution" ... which is nonsense.

Back in 2014, the "revolution" as you call it wanted Warren, not Bernie. Warren said "No", so Bernie said "Ok, I'll do it."

Back in 2011, the "revolution" wanted a primary challenge of Obama. Of course the "revolution" lacked an actual candidate.

The reason the "revolution" fails is because it does not have the determination to build up an ARRAY of "acceptably liberal" candidates at all levels. Instead, the "revolution" waits for a Warren, or a Sanders to step up and slay the dragon.

Its not a winning strategy.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #88)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:23 PM

farleftlib (2,125 posts)

97. Yeah, a winning strategy

Like the DNC putting all their eggs in one basket and supporting only one candidate.
The most distrusted politician ever. The Republicans will make hay with her idiotic and
illegal decision to conduct the country's most delicate and confidential business on an
unsecured server. She's toast and it's not Bernie supporters' fault. It's gonna be a beat
down because people will come out in droves to vote against her and it's not us.

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Response to farleftlib (Reply #97)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:32 PM

JoePhilly (27,787 posts)

108. That's a bunch of ranting, not a statement of "strategy".

The DNC exists to help Democrats get elected. You might argue as to whether they are good at that job, but that is irrelevant.

Bernie decided to become a Democrat and by doing so, has to follow the same rules as any other Democrat.

As for the GOP "making hay" ... I'm sorry, but did you sleep through the Obama Presidency? The GOP will crucify ANY candidate we put forward. Its what they do. The funny thing is, they've been trying to crucify Hillary for more than 2 decades, and she's still standing, and still kicking ass.

The email thing is nonsense, and everyone knows it. Sure, the RW will masturbate itself into a frenzy over it. And some Bernie fans hang all their hopes on it ... but no one else cares. Consider that official government email servers have been HACKED. Hillary's server, was not hacked. Its a scandal in which nothing actually happened.

As for "fault" with Bernie supporters. Who gives a shit? We need another Dem in the White House, period. So sure, you can stay home and pout, or only vote down ticket, or vote green or some other nonsense party.

As I explained earlier ... you guys aren't in for the long haul anyway. The "revolution" is fickle.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #108)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:08 PM

farleftlib (2,125 posts)

118. Wow you accused me of ranting

and respond with that delusional crap? Pot meet kettle.

Deal with the fact that HRC is detested and polarizing and she ain't gonna win squat.

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Response to farleftlib (Reply #118)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:11 PM

JoePhilly (27,787 posts)

120. She'll win the Dem nomination and the General election.

But you are free to hope otherwise.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #120)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:19 PM

farleftlib (2,125 posts)

124. Oh why thank you

for taking a break from your pipe dream to grant me your permission to speak truth. You also
may now continue fantasizing about the impossible.

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Response to farleftlib (Reply #124)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:32 PM

JoePhilly (27,787 posts)

125. I predicted that the "revolution" woud waste the years from 2011-2016 ...

... whining about Obama and not building up an arrray of candidates for 2016.

I was right then.

I'll be right in June, and November.

Meanwhile, you will be creating new conspiracy theories as to why you were wrong.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #60)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:58 PM

drray23 (5,653 posts)

133. unfortunately true.

There is a reddit thread that is higjly upvoted right now which advocates actually voting for trump for that exact reason. Bring about the demise of parties and influence of money in politics. These people are desulusionned to thing electing trump would accomplish that.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:03 PM

ciaobaby (1,000 posts)

67. Getting so tired of this

If HRC is the democratic nominee and loses to Trump that's on Hillary and no one else.
She chose her affiliations with wall street, she chose to keep secret her wall street speeches, she chose to flip flop on nearly every liberal social justice issue, she chose to eagerly accept the support of big pharma, private prisons, and corporate thieves, and she certainly should have known using a private server in her own home for secure government business would come under question. And Henry Kissinger !!! really?
She certainly has not earned my vote.

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Response to ciaobaby (Reply #67)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:03 PM

Actor (626 posts)

70. BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT

You deserve no more than that.

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Response to Actor (Reply #70)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:11 PM

ciaobaby (1,000 posts)

82. Just a tad sensitive don't you think ? Truth hurts.

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Response to ciaobaby (Reply #82)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:13 PM

Actor (626 posts)

87. BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:04 PM

amborin (16,631 posts)

72. in the old days, this was called flame bait

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Response to amborin (Reply #72)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:04 PM

Actor (626 posts)

73. If you dont want to answer, fine.

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Response to amborin (Reply #72)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:13 PM

farleftlib (2,125 posts)

85. It still is...

The intent of the OP was for the Bernie or Busters to out themselves so the
poster and other Hill bots could pile on. They are coming to the sad but true
realization that HRC will lose badly in the GE and they want to set up a
scapegoat ahead of time to blame the hot mess of a candidate that is HRC.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:06 PM

danimich1 (175 posts)

77. You people need to stop.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:07 PM

pangaia (24,324 posts)

79. Do you think your avatar would have baited people with such a question?

I doubt it.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #79)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:09 PM

Actor (626 posts)

80. What does that mean?

Dylan would not want to talk to someone who allowed Trump to become president.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:12 PM

Scurrilous (38,633 posts)

84. The people wrongly predicting a Trump victory over Hillary in the GE...

...will all quietly disappear come nighttime November 8th.

Or maybe sooner!

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:14 PM

Jack Bone (2,023 posts)

89. turn on the TV...Trump has already won!!

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:17 PM

NRaleighLiberal (54,395 posts)

92. You are all getting so predictable and boring.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:18 PM

highprincipleswork (3,111 posts)

93. Not at all, but I am ready and waiting to say "I told you so" many times. Just because you all

have been so adamant at turning down our best chance for Progressive government in decades.

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #93)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:18 PM

Actor (626 posts)

94. Yes then, you are looking forward to it, will you help the effort by not voting for her?

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Response to Actor (Reply #94)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:22 PM

highprincipleswork (3,111 posts)

96. No, that's your assumption and rather perverse way of spinning things, common in the Hillary Group

I find.

My vote, that is for me to know, and depends on how she and the Democratic Party acts. If they pivot every which way to Sunday to some unacceptable rightward stance, then I'm just going to have to see. I will definitely vote and campaign and work for and donate to every Democrat that stands up for traditional Democratic values however.

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #96)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:23 PM

Actor (626 posts)

98. Love this answer, if HIllary GIVES YOU PERSONALLY what YOU PERSONALLY want

you might vote for her.

And if you dont then so who the fuck cares about the people Trump will harm.

Jesus christ, this SICK

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Response to Actor (Reply #98)

Wed May 4, 2016, 08:06 PM

TM99 (8,352 posts)

136. So you are voting for Clinton out of the goodness

of your heart with no selfish intentions?

That is a steaming pile of bullshit.

You and everyone else who supports here believes you will get something under her administration. She will promise and pander like any pol except she has a history of flip flopping, lying, and fucking over those who brought her to the dance.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:25 PM

Smarmie Doofus (14,498 posts)

100. Too many assumptions there. Short answer: no.

I'll say this: I'd like to have a better sense of what a President Trump would do wrt foreign policy.

Clinton is a clear and present danger to world peace.

Lots of (non-white) people are going to die, unnecessarily, under a Clinton presidency. ( I include "non-white" because there's a chance it it will catch the attention of some portion of a huge portion her slavish, star-struck political fan-base.)

This we know by what she's said, and by what she's done. Over many years.

Trump is a tabula rasa...Christ, Clintonites, look it up if you don't know what it means.... in spite of his vague/wild/ pronouncements re.
ISIS, etc.

It *appears* that he ( Trump) knows next to nothing.

However.... ignorance ... in this VERY particular case....may indeed be bliss.

All, i know for *sure* is that I don't want Clinton conducting US foreign policy over the next four years.

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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Reply #100)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:26 PM

Actor (626 posts)

103. Jesus, I cant believe what I am reading. I really cant...S I G H

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Response to Actor (Reply #103)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:32 PM

Smarmie Doofus (14,498 posts)

107. Emote... if you wish.

That takes a minute. More or less. ( You're right on time.)

*Reflection* .... esp. when the proposition challenges one's biases... usually take s a lot longer.

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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Reply #107)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:18 PM

redwitch (14,448 posts)

123. He or she learned how to emote in drama school.

Fainting will be next.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:26 PM

NorthCarolina (11,197 posts)

101. If there are, they probably won't have to "hope" too hard. nt

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #101)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:27 PM

Actor (626 posts)

104. Another Trump supporter? Is that what I can take from this?

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Response to Actor (Reply #104)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:29 PM

NorthCarolina (11,197 posts)

105. You can take away whatever floats your boat I suppose.

Trump falls into the same category as Hillary for me; unsupportable.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:26 PM

GreenPartyVoter (70,239 posts)

102. Either Trump or Clinton winning will afford us ample opportunities on that score.

Mark my words.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:31 PM

tymorial (3,334 posts)

106. You are probably right

And it makes me wonder why so many people are stuck in adolecence.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 06:47 PM

Marrah_G (28,581 posts)

110. The thought of a Trump presidency scares the hell out of me

I think Hillary will not win the general. That does not mean I want her to not win the general.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:06 PM

99Forever (14,524 posts)

113. I'll vote my conscience and let the cards fall where they may.

The lessor of two evils is still evil.

Not good enough. What you may or may not think of my position, means absolutely jack shit to me. Save your scare tactics for the feeble-minded.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #113)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:07 PM

Actor (626 posts)

115. let the cards fall, translation: you dont give a shit who it harms

Thanks for being honest about it though.

To be honest and fair, is this place supposed to be only for liberals?

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Response to Actor (Reply #115)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:16 PM

99Forever (14,524 posts)

121. Clinton people don't give a shit who they harm.

I actually am a liberal. Clinton isn't, but she does play one on the campaign stages. I'm not fooled by her lies, I guess you are.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #121)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:17 PM

Actor (626 posts)

122. Either you are part of the process that stops Trump from destroying the country and maybe

all life on the planet, or you are not.

I get the feeling you will opt out and let him destroy.

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Response to Actor (Reply #122)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:39 PM

99Forever (14,524 posts)

127. Bullshit.

"Stopping tRump" isn't enough. Neoliberals are NOT liberals. Republican Lite will only delay the damage.

We NEED an actual real liberal in the WH.

You really don't know what an actual real liberal is, do you?

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #127)

Wed May 4, 2016, 08:07 PM

TM99 (8,352 posts)

138. He doesn't get paid

to know what an actual liberal is.

He is just another low post count poster that we have seen more and more of here at DU pushing the 'you want Trump' meme if you don't vote for Clinton.

It is FUD. It is bullshit. It is propaganda.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:08 PM

artislife (9,497 posts)

117. It is my policy to put posters on ignore who have decided

to arrive in the last couple of months to this site.

Buh Bye!

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Response to artislife (Reply #117)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:11 PM

Actor (626 posts)

119. Trump thanks you

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:38 PM

NV Whino (20,886 posts)

126. No. But if he does, I will.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:45 PM

Beacool (29,990 posts)

128. There have been quite a few posts stating that Hilary will lose to Trump.

I think that some do secretly wish that she would lose so they can rub it in our faces. The fact that a Trump win would damage the country in many ways, seems to be something that doesn't concern them much.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:50 PM

B Calm (28,762 posts)

129. No! We hope Bernie wins so we can say "We told you so!"

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:51 PM

kayakjohnny (5,235 posts)

130. Your post is crap.

I told you so.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:57 PM

DisgustipatedinCA (12,530 posts)

131. No. But I am telling you right now that it's a bad idea to run her.

I will take no joy in telling you that you were told. But none of that has come to pass, and it doesn't have to if we nominate a Sanders.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 07:57 PM

TM99 (8,352 posts)

132. Sadly, if we must inform y'all

that y'all were wrong to pick Clinton, then there is little joy in that.

On the plus side, 2018 will be a strong Democratic mid-term turn-out and 2020 should be as well.

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 08:07 PM

LWolf (46,178 posts)

137. Er...no. Just no. nt

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Response to Actor (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 08:11 PM

Lizzie Poppet (10,164 posts)

139. Not exactly, no.

Trump winning would be bad. Possibly spectacularly bad. I only barely prefer Princess Weathervane...but I do prefer her.

But if/when she loses, will I return here after the GE, un-Ignore the worst of the Hillary camp, the condescending, nasty jackass contingent, and rub their noses in it as a way to alleviate, if only for a moment, my fears for the future? Fucking right I will...

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