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Delegate count: Clinton 2,202, Sanders 1,455 181 from victory

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Reply Delegate count: Clinton 2,202, Sanders 1,455 181 from victory (Original post)
Gomez163 May 2016 OP
bkkyosemite May 2016 #1
Gomez163 May 2016 #3
workinclasszero May 2016 #48
TCJ70 May 2016 #2
Buzz Clik May 2016 #5
TCJ70 May 2016 #10
Buzz Clik May 2016 #12
TCJ70 May 2016 #14
Cali_Democrat May 2016 #18
TCJ70 May 2016 #20
Buzz Clik May 2016 #24
morningfog May 2016 #25
CoffeeCat May 2016 #55
Buzz Clik May 2016 #58
CoffeeCat May 2016 #60
Buzz Clik May 2016 #61
CoffeeCat May 2016 #63
Matariki May 2016 #65
KittyWampus May 2016 #28
Human101948 May 2016 #57
CoffeeCat May 2016 #4
Gomez163 May 2016 #8
workinclasszero May 2016 #49
Buzz Clik May 2016 #9
KittyWampus May 2016 #29
casperthegm May 2016 #6
Gomez163 May 2016 #11
stone space May 2016 #16
casperthegm May 2016 #23
Gomez163 May 2016 #33
casperthegm May 2016 #41
Gomez163 May 2016 #42
casperthegm May 2016 #44
stone space May 2016 #7
floriduck May 2016 #13
Gomez163 May 2016 #15
workinclasszero May 2016 #50
CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #17
Gomez163 May 2016 #19
CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #22
morningfog May 2016 #30
stone space May 2016 #35
Gomez163 May 2016 #37
stone space May 2016 #40
KittyWampus May 2016 #31
stone space May 2016 #39
merrily May 2016 #53
Gomez163 May 2016 #21
morningfog May 2016 #26
stone space May 2016 #27
Cali_Democrat May 2016 #43
stone space May 2016 #45
Cali_Democrat May 2016 #46
stone space May 2016 #47
CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #32
Cobalt Violet May 2016 #34
dcbuckeye May 2016 #36
Gomez163 May 2016 #38
Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #51
Gomez163 May 2016 #54
Uponthegears May 2016 #52
Gomez163 May 2016 #56
Uponthegears May 2016 #59
ucrdem May 2016 #62
Gomez163 May 2016 #64

Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 09:55 AM

1. Bull shit...so you work for CNN or MSNBC ...

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #1)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:42 AM

48. Bernie math sucks

 

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 09:55 AM

2. Woah! Clinton won an extra 600 delegates in Indiana last night? n/t

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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #2)

Wed May 4, 2016, 09:56 AM

5. The supers count. Just ask Bernie. He wants their support.

 

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #5)

Wed May 4, 2016, 09:57 AM

10. They don't count yet.

I have no illusions that they won't all vote for Hillary...but to count them now before they've voted is wrong.

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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #10)

Wed May 4, 2016, 09:58 AM

12. How many delegates have voted so far?

 

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #12)

Wed May 4, 2016, 09:59 AM

14. We're talking about super delegates, right?

As far as I know, none of them have voted.

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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #14)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:01 AM

18. No pledged delegates have voted yet either. nt

 

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #18)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:02 AM

20. That wasn't what we were talking about, but OK. n/t

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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #14)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:08 AM

24. No delegates have voted. Not the pledged delegates, not the supers.

 

Just as with the Electoral College in the general, we're assuming that the delegates will perform their duties as indicated by the will of the voters, but we won't know for sure until they vote. All of them.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #12)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:09 AM

25. 3,118 delegates have been pledged and cannot change. They are locked in.

 

Supers aren't committed or bound until the vote at the convention.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #12)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:50 AM

55. I am a pledged delegate

I was a "pledged delegate" as our District Convention last week. In June, we'll have our State Convention.

The reason they call us "pledged delegates" is because we all ready voted in the election. I voted for Sanders in my caucus. I became a delegate and was counted during our County Convention, and was just counted as our District Convention--and the process will continue at State and finally, the national convention.

Pledged delegates--such as myself--have pledged their support for the candidate (in the form of their vote).

Superdelegates (as opposed to Pledged delegates) don't vote until the Convention. That's the process.

The rules are that the candidate who reaches 2383 first, in pledged delegates--wins.

Neither candidate has earned 2383 in pledged delegates. Sanders has been successful in denying Clinton that brass ring, so this will go to the Convention. See you there!

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #55)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:54 AM

58. yada yada yada. How many have voted at the National Dem Convention where the votes count?

 

Jeebus. As if you didn't know that.

The rules are that the candidate who reaches 2383 first, in pledged delegates--wins.
Yeah. Right. You gonna quote us chapter and verse where that bullshit exists? Of course not.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #58)

Wed May 4, 2016, 11:01 AM

60. Pledged delegates are counted as the process moves forward

Superdelegates are counted at the Convention.

2383 is the magic number. That's half of the pledged delegates.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #60)

Wed May 4, 2016, 11:02 AM

61. Nope.

 

But you be sure to link to the official word that support your contention.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #61)

Wed May 4, 2016, 11:10 AM

63. I realize that you want different rules for your precious Hillary

but this is how it's always been done.

If one of the Dem candidates had hit 2383 (half of the pledged delegates) all ready, this race would be over.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #61)

Wed May 4, 2016, 03:38 PM

65. Do you seriously not know how this stuff works?

It's a defined process. Not wishes and ponies.

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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #10)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:10 AM

28. yes, they do. PROOF >>>>

 

For the Democratic Party, unpledged delegate votes, also called "Superdelegate votes" are counted on the first ballot. Although some use the term "brokered convention" to refer to a convention where the outcome is decided by Superdelegate votes rather than pledged delegates alone, this is not the original sense of the term, nor has it been a commonly used definition of a "contested convention.



Under the Democratic National Convention rules, "A majority vote of the Convention's delegates shall be required to nominate the presidential candidate" and "Balloting will continue until a nominee is selected". The role of the superdelegates was established in-part to limit such conflicts and multi-rounds of voting on the convention floor, and instead allow the candidates to woo these delegates before the convention.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #28)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:52 AM

57. They are Hillary's! Bought and paid for!

 

So if a Superdelegate whose State voted overwhelmingly for Bernie switched her support to Sanders under the reasoning that she was representing the will of her State, then Clinton’s Campaign COO would shut off the spigot and all that sweet, sweet billionaire cash would stop flowing into the coffers of her State Democratic Party — and the candidate herself.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/6/1511462/-CORRUPTION-How-Hundreds-of-Superdelegates-were-Literally-bought-by-the-Clinton-Campaign

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 09:56 AM

4. The Superdelegates haven't voted yet (nt)

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #4)

Wed May 4, 2016, 09:57 AM

8. How's that flipping of superdelegates working out for you???

 

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #8)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:43 AM

49. Did sanders even get one to flip yet?

 

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #4)

Wed May 4, 2016, 09:57 AM

9. None of the delegates have voted. But, their preferences have been indicated.

 

It sucks, I know. But that's the system.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #4)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:10 AM

29. They have already pledged their vote as THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO IN THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY.

 

For the Democratic Party, unpledged delegate votes, also called "Superdelegate votes" are counted on the first ballot. Although some use the term "brokered convention" to refer to a convention where the outcome is decided by Superdelegate votes rather than pledged delegates alone, this is not the original sense of the term, nor has it been a commonly used definition of a "contested convention.



Under the Democratic National Convention rules, "A majority vote of the Convention's delegates shall be required to nominate the presidential candidate" and "Balloting will continue until a nominee is selected". The role of the superdelegates was established in-part to limit such conflicts and multi-rounds of voting on the convention floor, and instead allow the candidates to woo these delegates before the convention.

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 09:56 AM

6. Definitely not a math major

But hey, keep working on bringing everyone together. That's a great start.

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Response to casperthegm (Reply #6)

Wed May 4, 2016, 09:58 AM

11. Actually am a math major.

 

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #11)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:01 AM

16. You should check your numbers.

 

Actually am a math major.

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Response to stone space (Reply #16)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:07 AM

23. Seriously

If someone is posting these numbers here on the DU I have to question the motives. Most people who come here are political junkies and understand the realities of super delegates. So I doubt the op doesn't understand that they haven't been counted yet. Which leads me to believe that the intention was to draw the ire of Sanders supporters. How clever.

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Response to casperthegm (Reply #23)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:16 AM

33. I've cited two sources already. You just refuse to believe because

 

it goes against your Bernie belief system.

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #33)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:28 AM

41. You're funny

Can you show me where the DNC declares that super delegates are permanently tied to a candidate prior to the convention? Unless you can, then those super delegates are not in fact considered hers. Sorry. Your candidate still has the lead, so why are you so worried that you feel the need to pad the stats? Is somebody feeling the Bern?

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Response to casperthegm (Reply #41)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:29 AM

42. SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S A CHANCE???????

 

It's what you sound like. Face it. It's over.

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #42)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:37 AM

44. Ever hear of John Paul Jones?

The revolution is just beginning

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 09:57 AM

7. I haven't been following too closely since Iowa, but those numbers look faked to me.

 

Check your sources.

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 09:59 AM

13. Awesome. Bernie's only 181 from the win. nm

 

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 09:59 AM

15. How many Bernie supporters does it take to change a lightbulb????

 

A: That's not actually a light bulb.

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #15)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:44 AM

50. One sparrow?

 

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:01 AM

17. After Indiana, not counting Supers....

 

Clinton 1682

Sanders 1361

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Response to CompanyFirstSergeant (Reply #17)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:02 AM

19. I count Supers. If you don't you're being delusional.

 

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #19)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:03 AM

22. Oh, great...

 

'Delusional'

Another psychiatrist who went to DU university.

Nice to meet you, doc.

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #19)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:11 AM

30. It's stupid to count supers now. THe mantra is they will follow the pledged delegate winner.

 

SO the number that matters at this point is 2,026 pledged delegates. When that is hit, we'll have a presumptive nominee.

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #19)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:20 AM

35. Your OP makes no mention of supers. As it stands, it is simply a lie.

 

If you are going to add supers to the count, you really need to mention that fact in the OP, not buried somewhere down in the comments where nobody will see it.



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Response to stone space (Reply #35)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:22 AM

37. I don't buy into the need to distinguish superdelegates.

 

They're as gone as the pledged delegates.

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #37)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:28 AM

40. Without the word "superdelegates" appearing, your OP is a blatant and knowing lie. (nt)

 

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Response to CompanyFirstSergeant (Reply #17)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:12 AM

31. It's absurd to not count super delegates because in the Democratic Party they may pledge

 

before the Convention.

For the Democratic Party, unpledged delegate votes, also called "Superdelegate votes" are counted on the first ballot. Although some use the term "brokered convention" to refer to a convention where the outcome is decided by Superdelegate votes rather than pledged delegates alone, this is not the original sense of the term, nor has it been a commonly used definition of a "contested convention.



Under the Democratic National Convention rules, "A majority vote of the Convention's delegates shall be required to nominate the presidential candidate" and "Balloting will continue until a nominee is selected". The role of the superdelegates was established in-part to limit such conflicts and multi-rounds of voting on the convention floor, and instead allow the candidates to woo these delegates before the convention.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #31)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:25 AM

39. Publishing these numbers in an OP without the word "superdelegates" even appearing is a lie.

 

It's fine to make an OP openly advocating doctoring the numbers, but not so fine to simply publish fake numbers without comment.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #31)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:49 AM

53. Tell that to Hillary 2008. Also, counting them is one thing. An OP that

counts them without saying it is counting them is another thing entirely.

It seems to be a game Hillary's DU supporters have been playing for a while now and it's both dishonest and pointless.

No one is fooled.

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:09 AM

26. She is 322 pledged delegates from victory.

 

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:09 AM

27. Unfortunately, the jury has allowed your fake numbers to stand.

 

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your alert

Mail Message



On Wed May 4, 2016, 08:57 AM you sent an alert on the following post:

Delegate count: Clinton 2,202, Sanders 1,455 181 from victory
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511897544

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

Faked numbers.

Please hide.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Wed May 4, 2016, 09:08 AM, and voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If Hillary supporters think this kind of post will help bring Bernie supporters to her side, I say... Please proceed.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I hope you can't alert anymore after this. Fake alert.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: over the top indeed ... fuzzy math
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: A simple google search shows 2,202-1,400 (Google) and 2,217 - 1443 (CNN). The numbers in the OP are in that range. If anyone votes to hide this post they are utterly biased.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: LOL, hide for supposed fake numbers? There would be numerous posts, posting numbers, hidden daily if hidden for what might disturb one side or the other. Debate
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you.

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Response to stone space (Reply #27)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:36 AM

43. I was on this jury.

 

What a sad alert.

SMH

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #43)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:37 AM

45. Did you vote to let the blatant lie stand? (nt)

 

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Response to stone space (Reply #45)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:40 AM

46. Of course I let the post stand.

 

It's not a blatant lie.

The numbers are accurate.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #46)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:42 AM

47. That's unfortunate. The numbers are a blatant lie. Sad to see DU supporting knowing lies. (nt)

 

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:15 AM

32. Someone called the DU cops....

 

....on misleading numbers?

They were not fake, they were misleading, at worst.

If they do all vote for H, then they were real numbers.

Just too early.

Alerted?

Wow.

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:19 AM

34. total bullshit.

You've just a spot on my ignore list.

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:22 AM

36. CNN to end Bernie's campaign soon

If you watched CNN last night, you saw they kept posting the delegate counts for both parties on the screen, back and forth between HRC and Trump, and they included the SDs in Hillary's total each time, showing that's she's getting really close to the goal line with both PDs and SDs. So here's my prediction: As soon as HRC gets those additional 181 PDs to put her over the top, CNN and MSNBC will declare HRC the winner and the nominee (probably after NJ or CA primary) and this battle won't go to the convention. Having CNN and MSNBC calling her the nominee and winner day after day after day on all of their news shows and Rachel and Hardball will shut down the Bernie campaign very quickly. Anybody agree?

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Response to dcbuckeye (Reply #36)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:24 AM

38. Its what happened in 2008. Obama had a way smaller lead.

 

The difference now is Bernie has committed followers who will not let any unwelcome facts seep into their belief system. Heck, this OP got alerted. And I posted two sources.

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:45 AM

51. I just heard if Bernie gets 70% of CA vote he wins the nomination.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #51)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:49 AM

54. Wrong

 

Tuesday 7 June 2016: 475 of 548 delegates to the Democratic National Convention are pledged to presidential contenders based on the results of the voting in today's California Presidential Primary. A mandatory 15 percent threshold is required in order for a presidential contender to be pledged National Convention delegates at either the congressional district or statewide level.

317 district delegates are to be pledged proportionally to presidential contenders based on the primary results in each of the State's 53 congressional districts.
158 delegates are to be pledged to presidential contenders based on the primary vote statewide.
105 at-large National Convention delegates
53 Pledged PLEOs

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/CA-D

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:46 AM

52. Allow me to quote

 

from the (multiple) post(s) of our esteemed colleague, KittyWampus:

Under the Democratic National Convention rules, "A majority vote of the Convention's delegates shall be required to nominate the presidential candidate" and "Balloting will continue until a nominee is selected". The role of the superdelegates was established in-part to limit such conflicts and multi-rounds of voting on the convention floor, and instead allow the candidates to woo these delegates before the convention.


What part of "and instead allow the candidates to woo these delegates before the convention" causes Secretary Clinton's supporters to believe that super-delegate votes are anything other than "up for grabs" UNTIL THE CONVENTION?

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Response to Uponthegears (Reply #52)

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:51 AM

56. If Bernie wants to be stubborn and hold his breath then they wait until

 

the convention and Hillary gets nominated on the first ballot.

In 2008, with a way lesser delegate deficit, Hillary conceded and then moved at the convention that Obama be nominated by acclamation.

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #56)

Wed May 4, 2016, 11:00 AM

59. Do you recall

 

the date on which then-Senator Clinton conceded?

It has slipped my mind.

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 11:02 AM

62. He's almost winning. She almost needs to drop out now. nt

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2016, 03:35 PM

64. Here we go - Its mathematically impossible for Sanders to win more pledged delegates.

 

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