Bernie Sanders Challenges Secretary Clinton To A Debate In California

[imagine2015]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511894785

[hack89]

1. No real point in that.

let California vote and then move on to the convention. We have the GE to prepare for.

[TimPlo]

23. I have not watched a debate yet and voting is not till next month in CA.

I am sure there are other people living in CA that do not spend 24/7 following the stupid horse race till it gets close to their state. And it seems for first time in very long time CA could be a major factor in this election. And reading in this thread it seems Clinton ad made a deal to have a May one. To back out now is rather dishonest and it might not be a good idea for her to do this. I mean how are people suppose to vote for her if she backs out of a debate she agreed too. What else would she go back on? Her college plan or Abortion issues?

[Buzz cook]

36. There's always youtube.

If you want to watch a debate, they're out there.

[Demsrule86]

61. If you were interested

You should have watched them while the race was still on..no need to subject the Democratic nominee to Sanders attacks.

[Qutzupalotl]

2. Indiana shows it's not over.

It's still okay to vote for Bernie. Winning Oregon and Kentucky would give him momentum going into California. A yuge win in California would put him very close to Clinton's pledged delegate number, or even slightly ahead.

THAT's why the other camp wants him to drop out now. Hell no!

[JDPriestly]

38. Bernie will win big in Oregon!

And California! The liberal states vote last. That's how the system is rigged.

Bernie knows this.

We need debate for California.

[thesquanderer]

62. I'm not sure a CA debate is necessarily great for Bernie.

Early on, debates were a huge deal for Bernie, because he needed the exposure, the name recognition, the free media coverage that comes along with them. But frankly, I don't think he's the best debater. After all the wrangling over the New York debate, I am skeptical that it helped him at all in New York. Unless Hillary falls into some gaffe, I'm not sure a CA debate would help him there, either.

[Demsrule86]

63. Wrong message

Indiana shows it is over for him...he did not win by near enough votes...they basically split delegates. It doesn't matter. I doubt he will win California...but it doesn't matter. It is over.

[seabeyond]

66. The numbers show it is over.

[Demsrule86]

67. Clinton won Indiana too in o8

she also won Ohio, Indiana and pennsylvania...it did not matter.

[slipslidingaway]

3. Clinton agreed to a May debate at the end of January when she wanted a debate in NH ...

hopefully she will not try and back out of this commitment as she did with the April debate promise when they tried to use some silly excuse about "tone."

[KittyWampus]

5. She's already done more debates than originally agreed.

[morningfog]

7. But then she agreed again. She agreed to a May debate in CA.

[slipslidingaway]

10. Exactly, Clinton is trying to weasel out of this just as she did in April. Clinton most likely ....

agreed to additional debates at the end of January, because She really wanted the debate before NH and never imagined that Sanders would have gained the votes and thought it was all going to be over with in March ... lack of foresight and judgement displayed once again!

In essence her commitments to voters mean absolutely nothing.

[morningfog]

12. It's kind of like how many Hillary supporters say it's fine for Bernie to stay in

until he wins a state.

[slipslidingaway]

18. Yes, whole different story, a commitment should be honored, but some are quick to go back ...

on a promise.

That tells us what to expect if Clinton takes office, promises mean nothing.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

25. Precisely, why Hillary's trustworthiness numbers are in the terlet.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[slipslidingaway]

34. Exactly, she says one thing and does another, Sanders and Warren would be a dream ticket for many.nt

[chwaliszewski]

51. I disagree with a Sanders/Warren ticket

I'd prefer a Sanders/Stein ticket with Warren as Secretary of the Treasury or possibly the Chair of the Fed Reserve.

[thesquanderer]

64. She agreed, and as a matter of principle, she should not renege.

Yes, she really wanted the New Hampshire debate, and in order to get it, she promised Bernie more debates in the future, which she presumably hoped wouldn't matter, i.e. Bernie would be defeated by then. That was the gamble she took then, as I discussed at http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511133521

Having made that agreement, as long as Bernie still wants that last debate and it's technically not wrapped up yet, she should keep her word.

[Demsrule86]

68. She won't debate him

It would be a waste of time...we don't need finger wagging attacks on our nominee. He would only help Trump. He should get out now.

[morningfog]

69. She agreed in February. Are you saying she can't be trusted to honor

her agreements? So her word meaningless?

There will be one more debate. Bank on it.

[Demsrule86]

80. There was an agreed upon number of debates

And guess what ...she does not have to do anymore...what would be the point? I don't want Bernie up there attacking our nominee thanks very much. He and Trump will just have to manage without a Bernie debate...sorry Trump this is one time Bernie won't help... but no worries every time he opens his mouth he helps you... Trump.

[morningfog]

82. Yes, the agreed upon number includes one in May.

[Demsrule86]

84. She already did enough debates...serves no purpose

The primary is over. I do not want a bitter Bernie Sanders attacking our nominee. There is no reason for it and those of us who don't want President Trump need to concern ourselves with the General.

[morningfog]

87. Are you saying she can't be trusted when she makes an agreement? Is her word worthless?

[KittyWampus]

4. How many debates does Sanders want to lose? His lack of depth

just gets more exposed every time.

[slipslidingaway]

8. Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders agree to four more debates

http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/03/media/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-new-hampshire-debate/

Clinton wanted another debate before NH, Sanders agreed IF she would agree to additional debates.

Why is she trying to go back on her promise now? She pulled a similar stunt with the April debate complaining about 'his tone' and trying to renege on that commitment.

This was an agreed upon debate, what does she have to lose if he is such a horrible candidate as you imply.



"Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders have agreed to add four more debates, including one this Thursday in New Hampshire just days before that state's primary.

The decision expands the total number of Democratic debates from six to ten, and suggests both campaigns are prepared for a drawn-out primary battle that will extend at least until May.

The first additional debate will take place in New Hampshire on Thursday. The campaigns have also agreed to a March debate in Flint, Michigan, and two more debates in April and May. The May debate is likely to take place in California.

What remains undecided is where the Democrats will hold the April debate. The Clinton campaign is pushing for a debate in Pennsylvania, given the state's importance in the general election. The Sanders campaign wants to hold that debate in Brooklyn, New York...."

[JDPriestly]

39. Going back on a promise is typical Hillary.

And then her admirers wonder why we don't trust her.

We in California want another debate.

[KittyWampus]

79. There already were more after that date. There have been NINE.

[ancianita]

6. Excellent move.

[oasis]

9. Screw that. Hillary's got bigger fish to fry.

We've had it hearing about "Wall St., Goldman Sach, greedy one per cent and how Shakespeareian Hillary's transcripts must be".

Find yourself some sand to pound, Bernie.

[slipslidingaway]

11. Hillary does not honor her commitments to voters, is that your position? nt

[oasis]

16. It's over. What's the point?

[slipslidingaway]

22. I have not voted yet and will not do so until June, she promised voters a debate in May ...

why go back on that promise to voters?

I know very few people who will vote for her, but they will come out to vote for Sanders.

She owes the voters what she promised.

[oasis]

24. The polls will still be open, so vote for down ballot Dems.

There, problem solved.

[slipslidingaway]

43. You must be joking, been doing that for decades ...

and the Dems have told people that lean independent 'we do not need you.'

[silvershadow]

32. See how they feel about your vote? nt

[slipslidingaway]

44. They could care less, we are told to just get in line ...

and to follow the trail of crumbs only to be smothered once again, been there, done that.

The Dems have told us they do no care, as one 66 year old voter in Indiana told me yesterday, they voted early for Sanders, it will just be politics as usual if Clinton is the candidate.

Thanks to all the people of Indiana who voted for change

[silvershadow]

45. Glad to do my part. Best vote of my lifetime, bar none. nt

[slipslidingaway]

46. Waiting for the opportunity on June 7th and need help calling voters in upcoming states ...

https://go.berniesanders.com/page/content/phonebank

[Logical]

13. Can't wait for the transcript leak!

[oasis]

17. A "leak" is all you should hope for. Nothin' else is happening.

[morningfog]

14. She agreed to it. It will happen.

[oasis]

20. I'm With Her. Anyway, He's about due for another smackdown.

[slipslidingaway]

28. Seriously? nt

[slipslidingaway]

41. Imagine if we said Hillary was due for another smackdown? Can you imagine cries of sexism ...

and I say that as a 60+ year old female.

Any criticism of Obama was met by those who said it was racist and now we have to carefully parse our words of criticism against Clinton?

Honestly I am tired of tip toeing because I might offend someone when people assume, yes I used that word for a reason, that any criticism will be viewed from a racial and/or gender divide.

Issues are issues, we should feel free to disagree regardless of race or gender. Hillary making money off the woman card, I so disagree, it was a clever fund raising/marketing appeal, but not something I think we need to divide or highlight among people. We are all human, we come in all colors and genders.

Hillary is due for another smackdown, imagine the outrage and think about it.

[JDPriestly]

40. This is why Hillary has a trust problem. Can't keep a promise.

[slipslidingaway]

42. +100 nt

[silvershadow]

47. Actually, she hasn't really promised anything that I can see. I heard a few platitudes and

generalized stuff. I'm not impressed.

[Starry Messenger]

15. Over what? How large his losing margin in CA will be?

[JonLeibowitz]

50. bookmarking for later...

[pinebox]

57. Over Hillary's $350k fundraiser with Clooney in CALIFORNIA.

Ole.

[Starry Messenger]

75. Good. BS can explain to us why he feels down ticket wins are not his concern.

[anotherproletariat]

19. I thought we were done with that obnoxious monotone screaming...

can't handle hearing him anymore. What else could he possibly say? We know, Wall Street bad, universal healthcare or bust, free public college (with no plans to implement any of them)...yadda, yadda, yadda

[slipslidingaway]

26. It goes both ways, many cannot stand to hear her voice, but I think it best to leave the personal ..

emotions aside and honor the commitments made months ago.

Unless commitments to voters mean nothing.

[anotherproletariat]

27. I think the voters understand that the contest is over. For the very few who still want to hear

a debate, they can go online and watch any of the old ones. Honestly, nothing has changed.

[northernsouthern]

30. Lol...

...who won today?

[slipslidingaway]

31. Many people have not voted yet, when phonebanking to NY several people did not realize they ...

had to register as a Dem before the first Democratic debate! Also they were not paying attention to politics as much as we were back in September 2015.

Three million independent voters did not have a say in the election, but as DWS stated the Dems do not care if they vote.

[silvershadow]

33. How can it be over when he's still gaining on her? nt

[hack89]

73. Because her lead is insurmountable?

Bernie is not going to win every remaining state by huge margins.

[grasswire]

29. are you mocking Bernie's ethnicity?

Really?

[JackRiddler]

49. Um, no.

The poster seems to think all that economic justice and opportunities for the young yadda yadda is totally for losers.

[Tarc]

21. Hillary needs to send Bernie a "Dear John" letter

Go home, Lloyd.

[slipslidingaway]

35. Wrong, she needs to send the voters of this country a Dear John letter explaining why

she is reneging on her promise.

She committed to this debate when she wanted something. This does not bode well for her promises to voters when she wants their votes and then will turn her back once elected.

If she will do this before she is even elected there is no telling what she might do once she has the nomination, THAT is what we need to pay attention to and What is so telling. Normally candidates wait until they are elected to go back on promises, but Hillary is doing that in advance of the election.

There is a reason the majority of people do not trust her.

[thesquanderer]

58. I thought of that same image in a different context...

[Waiting For Everyman]

37. If she doesn't do it, he should do a Town Hall.

I like him better at those actually.

[joshcryer]

48. She'll accept.

[MFM008]

52. No

Shes in front with the numbers,
shes going to take it.
The last debate was a debacle.
NO NO NO.

[Jitter65]

53. It would be a disastrous diversion from the work ahead. You do realize that the GOP is already

ahead of us in unifying their party. Having another debated is not going to change anyone's mind at this point and will only give the GOP more fodder for their coming attacks.

[Bluenorthwest]

55. The West Coast is just now into Primary Season-Oregon ballots are in voter's hands and

CA is upcoming, largest electorate in the country. In both States dedicated Democratic volunteers are working hard to get people to vote, both Presidential candidates need every delegate they can win and obviously there are many Democrats running for down ticket offices and participation in those elections is also really important.
So when I see bullshit like you post, which discounts the ongoing elections and attempts to negate the hours of work other people are doing to get Democrats elected it makes me both angry and ill. How dare you claim those voters do not count?

Disgusting material. You should be banned from DU for this, this is counter to the most basic goal of DU, electing Democrats. To elect them voters have to show up.

[pnwmom]

54. What is the point? We've had dozens of debates and Town Halls and

Bernie has said his same five things at all of them.

And his behavior at the NY debate was atrocious.

First he asks a question about what she said and when she tries to answer, he yells, "EXCUSE ME! I believe I was speaking!"

And then, a little while later, he asks whether she will promise to raise the cap on Social security. She starts to explain her position (which is that she'll support raising the cap and/or extending the tax to other forms of income, as she's said in several other debates) but he suddenly screams at her: "ARE YOU OR ARE YOU NOT? YES OR NO?!!"

She shouldn't have anything more to do with him. He's proven he can't have a respectful debate anymore. He just wants another chance to yell at her.

[Nye Bevan]

56. Was this one of the originally agreed scheduled debates?

Or is this something Bernie has just come up with?

[pnwmom]

59. A new one. He didn't yell at her enough in the NY debate, so he wants another chance.

"EXCUSE ME! I believe I was talking!" -- this just after he asked a question and she tried to answer.

And: "ARE YOU OR ARE YOU NOT! YES OR NO!" -- about raising the Social Security cap. Because she was trying to explain that she didn't JUST want to raise the cap for Social Security, she wanted to consider extending the tax to other forms of income as well.

[hellofromreddit]

72. "The May debate is likely to take place in California."

http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/03/media/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-new-hampshire-debate/

[Demsrule86]

60. Nope

She is in the general. He needs to end his campaign and climb on board the Clinton express in order to beat Donald Trump...everyone knows where the candidates stand. We don't need finger wagging attack on our nominee by Bernie Sanders.

[seabeyond]

65. I hope Clinton kicks him to the curb and says done. No more wasting time and effort on him.

Sanders is irrelevant.

[Darb]

70. No thanks, we've heard Bernie's schtick ad nauseam.

We got it. We voted for Hillary.

[SidDithers]

71. The losing campaign always wants more debates...

but there's really no reason for Hillary to engage in another one.

She's won the primary. She should be focusing on the General.

Sid

[JSup]

76. She should just ignore him...

...and debate Trump instead.

[PufPuf23]

77. Clinton and Sanders should debate again before the primary in California.

Lots of Democratic voters here.

Bring us all up to date on the status of their campaign.

Touch on what the Democratic national platform should be for the 2016 general election.

[OilemFirchen]

78. Why not the Virgin Islands?

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Isn't that on his bucket list?

[imagine2015]

81. I think California has more people. You didn't know that? And his is spelled his not is.

You're welcome.

[OilemFirchen]

88. You learn something new every day.

And today I got a twofer!

I feel very special.

[workinclasszero]

83. Makes no sense for the winner of the primary to debate the loser

Get out now Sanders

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

85. Harumph! I'm not speaking to you Bernie!

A display of diplomacy.