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berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
Tue May 3, 2016, 12:23 AM May 2016

Hillary to WV: WAIT! I DIDN'T MEAN I'LL PUT YOU OUT OF BUSINESS... I only meant I'd do it nicely...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-apologizes-for-saying-shed-put-coal-out-of-business/

This is the quintessential reason Hillary is not trusted. You cannot say on one day of your campaign that you'd put the coal industry "out of business" and then turn around the next day after you pissed off everyone this impacts and say you didn't mean it. EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT YOU SAID AND WHAT YOU MEANT!

WILLIAMSON, W.V. Hillary Clinton apologized on Monday for saying she would put coal miners and companies "out of business" as president, calling her comment a "misstatement."

"What I said was totally out of context from what I meant," Clinton said. "It was a misstatement, because what I was saying is that the way things are going now, we will continue to lose jobs."

Clinton said during a town hall on CNN in March that she is the "only candidate which has a policy about how to bring economic opportunity using clean renewable energy as the key into coal country."

"We're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business," she said. Clinton went on to say that, under her plan to shift the country away from fossil fuels, coal miners would not be forgotten.


As one of the commenters said:

The trouble comes when a do-nothing politician takes both sides of an issue - and in doing so proves he/she is committed to nothing but himself/herself. We need new blood, not another four years of the same old same old.
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Hillary to WV: WAIT! I DIDN'T MEAN I'LL PUT YOU OUT OF BUSINESS... I only meant I'd do it nicely... (Original Post) berni_mccoy May 2016 OP
She should have told us that we'd have new jobs in solar energy. k8conant May 2016 #1
That would have been nice. stillwaiting May 2016 #12
Videos, Clintons Confronted Over Hillary's Coal Comments by Miners in So. West Virginia appalachiablue May 2016 #17
That is exactly what her 30 billion plan calls for. nt Jitter65 May 2016 #14
We need to be honest with people in coal country. Coal is being rapidly replaced as an energy source LonePirate May 2016 #2
People need to learn to read or listen, she did not promise to change any policy nt BootinUp May 2016 #3
I will give her the benefit of the doubt on this one. She was probably tired and silvershadow May 2016 #4
It wouldn't matter if she "forgot just who she was talking to" if she was consistent and honest. w4rma May 2016 #8
Yes. That is exactly it. I was being coy. :D nt silvershadow May 2016 #9
I posted this yesterday, within a related thread. 'Discussion' followed: elleng May 2016 #5
She was anti-gun in NY, and pro-guns in PA. HooptieWagon May 2016 #6
Sounds like British conservative Michael Hasseltine. Betty Karlson May 2016 #7
I'll give Sanders this, he doesn't even pretend he'll do anything for the coal miners. Zynx May 2016 #10
So wrong! NWCorona May 2016 #18
Yet people still don't trust her. Weird, eh? Scuba May 2016 #11
This was a perfect opportunity for Hillary not to back down and make a good point. Vinca May 2016 #13
Triangulation is so incredibly devious, that I can't believe the Clintons still use it Baitball Blogger May 2016 #15
Any politician who believes in climate change is going to be unpopular in coal- and oil-producing pampango May 2016 #16
I honestly don't get why Sanders supporters are trying to exploit this... Meldread May 2016 #19
Called it. Barack_America May 2016 #20
It's not a gaffe. She told the truth. We need to get rid of coal jobs. musicblind May 2016 #21

k8conant

(3,030 posts)
1. She should have told us that we'd have new jobs in solar energy.
Tue May 3, 2016, 12:30 AM
May 2016

That would apply even to non-coal country in WV, like the Eastern Panhandle.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
12. That would have been nice.
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:22 AM
May 2016

But, HRC saying something should not really be taken very seriously until her actual actions back those words up.

Talk is very cheap.

appalachiablue

(41,047 posts)
17. Videos, Clintons Confronted Over Hillary's Coal Comments by Miners in So. West Virginia
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:35 PM
May 2016


- May 2, Williamson, WV, Mingo County Coal Country, "It was a misstatement" Hillary said.

>West Virginia's Primary is Tues. May 10.



- May 1, Bill Clinton confronted in Logan, WV, (Logan Co.) on Hillary's coal comments, 'when's she going to lay us all off?'

>Bill Clinton also said, '..Native American Communities That Have Nothing, Because They Don't Have Gambling.'

LonePirate

(13,386 posts)
2. We need to be honest with people in coal country. Coal is being rapidly replaced as an energy source
Tue May 3, 2016, 12:31 AM
May 2016

Those jobs are never coming back short of us discovering another use for coal (as a source for graphene, perhaps?). Everybody needs to replace the pandering with honest truth.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
4. I will give her the benefit of the doubt on this one. She was probably tired and
Tue May 3, 2016, 12:41 AM
May 2016

forgot just who she was talking to.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
8. It wouldn't matter if she "forgot just who she was talking to" if she was consistent and honest.
Tue May 3, 2016, 03:14 AM
May 2016

But, instead, she says vastly different things to different groups. She is lying to someone with her pandering.

elleng

(130,126 posts)
5. I posted this yesterday, within a related thread. 'Discussion' followed:
Tue May 3, 2016, 12:44 AM
May 2016

Did Clinton propose anything like this?

INCENTIVIZE THE PRODUCTION OF CLEAN ENERGY, NOT FOSSIL FUELS.
End fossil fuel subsidies, and reinvest the savings in a long-term extension of the Production Tax Credit and Investment Tax Credit. These credits are critical to a healthy wind industry, and make rooftop solar installations affordable for homeowners and businesses. Yet Congress regularly lets the credits expire, leading to a boom-bust cycle of development that hurts job creation and investment.

SUPPORT RURAL CLEAN ENERGY FINANCE.
Launch a Clean Energy Finance Authority, and direct it to support community wind and solar projects. This should include working with rural electric cooperatives so they can affordably install renewable energy generation – from investing in Clean Renewable Energy Bonds, to supporting partnerships so co-ops can take advantage of renewable energy tax credits.
Redouble USDA’s Rural Energy for America Program, which provides grants and loan guarantees to agricultural producers and rural small businesses, to help purchase renewable energy systems and make energy efficiency improvements.

PROVIDE A STRONG MARKET FOR BIOFUELS.
Enact a long-term extension of the Biodiesel Tax Credit, including production incentives for second-generation biofuels, while investing in renewable fuel infrastructure to support biofuels and electric cars.
Maintain a strong market for biofuels, by directing the EPA to set annual volume targets that comply fully with the Renewable Fuel Standard. High targets drive new investments in biofuel innovation and infrastructure, creating jobs and tearing down barriers to using renewable fuels.

TRAIN WORKERS TO JOIN GROWING CLEAN ENERGY INDUSTRIES.
Create a new Clean Energy Jobs Corps to partner with communities to build clean energy infrastructure, retrofit buildings to be more energy efficient, and expand our fields and forests so they can absorb more greenhouse gases.
Partner with industry to help meet skills and employment needs in renewable energy production, construction, and manufacturing. Launch a national initiative for career and technical education, starting in high school, to develop a pipeline of workers for the new clean energy economy.

MODERNIZE OUR ELECTRIC GRID TO SUPPORT LOCALIZED, RENEWABLE ENERGY GENERATION.
Prioritize modernizing our electric grid, to support localized, renewable energy generation – and better connect existing wind generation to the consumers who need it.


https://martinomalley.com/climate/iowa/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1434253

more: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511886943

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
6. She was anti-gun in NY, and pro-guns in PA.
Tue May 3, 2016, 02:21 AM
May 2016

She talks out of both sides of her mouth. She just says what she thinks will get her elected. Last fall she said she might compromise on choice, and she's wishy-washy on Social Security...she's looking to privatize it, and hand it over to Wall St. She simply can't be trusted.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
10. I'll give Sanders this, he doesn't even pretend he'll do anything for the coal miners.
Tue May 3, 2016, 03:37 AM
May 2016

Or those working in fracking. Fuck 'em all in his world. Just shut all that stuff down.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
18. So wrong!
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:47 PM
May 2016

"While stressing the need to move away from oil, gas and coal, Sanders’ plan states that if elected he would be “fair” to those working in the energy sector. Investing in solar, wind and other renewable sources, the proposal states, would create millions of jobs.

Pointing to legislation he has introduced in the Senate, Sanders argued for increasing low-income families’ access to solar energy, and providing benefits (extended unemployment, education, job training) for workers moving from a career in the oil fields, or coal mines, to the clean energy industry."

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/bernie-sanders-climate-plan_us_5664f5f6e4b079b2818f09a4

Vinca

(50,168 posts)
13. This was a perfect opportunity for Hillary not to back down and make a good point.
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:27 AM
May 2016

She should have asked the guy if he wanted his son to make a living working in the coal mines. After he said "no" - no miner wants their kid in the mines - she could have talked about transitioning to good jobs in wind and solar that paid the same or better and were safer and would never go away. Instead, she starts flipping like a fish on the dock to assure the guy he'll get to breath coal dust until his death (at an early age).

Baitball Blogger

(46,570 posts)
15. Triangulation is so incredibly devious, that I can't believe the Clintons still use it
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:34 AM
May 2016

as a strategy. I mean, I can't believe they haven't realized that people have figured out it's a con.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
16. Any politician who believes in climate change is going to be unpopular in coal- and oil-producing
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:55 AM
May 2016

areas.

republicans profess climate change is a hoax and are popular in coal- and oil-producing areas. Convenient how that works out.

Meldread

(4,213 posts)
19. I honestly don't get why Sanders supporters are trying to exploit this...
Tue May 3, 2016, 06:07 PM
May 2016

...as if her original statement was misplaced.

Hello, we're liberals here. We believe in climate change. Mining coal as well as burning coal is bad for the environment and our climate. We know this, we accept the science, and as a result: we want to put coal out of business. The sooner the better.

If anything, Bernie Sanders should be out there echoing that statement, and talking about how he would go even further. Not trying to exploit it. Attempting to exploit it either means that you are MOVING TO THE RIGHT or that you are engaging in demagoguery, and lying to the people. Both actions are unacceptable.

musicblind

(4,484 posts)
21. It's not a gaffe. She told the truth. We need to get rid of coal jobs.
Tue May 3, 2016, 06:16 PM
May 2016

Hopefully those jobs will be replaced by clean energy.

But coal is becoming more and more obsolete.

It would be like a video store clerk asking a politician how they plan to help them keep their job.

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