At the risk of being alerted, banned, ....

[ronnykmarshall]

I don't care anymore.

I AM a Hillary Clinton supporter. I was in 2008 and I am now.

I have been a member of DU back to the dino years. Put up with a LOT of crap. Seen a lot of crap.

Back in the day I thought that the 2004 primary was ugly ...... that was child's play to 2008 and NOW. Ironic that Howard Dean was the Bernie Sanders of that cycle and NOW he has been trashed by the Bernie supporters for having to DARE support that evil HILLARY!

In 2008 it was pure hell. But compared to 2016, 2008 was a bit of getting a bad case of gas.

We started this cycle when Hillary threw her paint suit into the ring with "oh ... look at her logo ... it's pointed to the RIGHT"!!! That was just the start of the bullshit.

Bernie throws his hat in and the sky parts, the angels sing .. anyone that DARES to question him is should be not trusted and put on "the list".

I'm glad that Bernie is running. I likeD him. No more.

I can't stand the shit that he is saying about a "contested" convention. I can't stand his wife spewing her bullshit and the Weaver asshole that is sucking up money.

If Hillary pulled half of the shit that Bernie and his people did in 2008 she would have been SOS with President Obama.

In 2008 I didn't take one second to pull up my jock strap and support MY President Obama. I love that man. I'm am PROUD to have voted for him in 2008 and 2012. And YES ..... I had his back in the midterms in 2010 and 2014 unlike these assholes that didn't get their glitter pony and sat on their asses.

I am PROUD DEMOCRAT! I support my party.

Got a problem? Then alert this. I'm over this bullshit.

[Agnosticsherbet]

1. Well said.

[TheBlackAdder]

143. I can't believe I'm reading these OPs. She did pull half that shit, and more!

.


Especially trashing MLK, Rev. Wright, or staying in until the end just in case someone gets assasinated, etc.

It really takes off after the 7 min. mark:

.

[Rockyj]

174. We must not forget the TRUTH about Hillary!

The REAL Hillary is NOT a Progressive, she's a Neo-Liberal that's very scary!
I'd rather see Trump as President then her!

[puffy socks]

176. Truth: Part of Bernie's platform

is civility and not mud slinging, that's all his supporters have done.
He can't run on the issues like you all said.

[rock]

238. Although I like your name for some reason

And I suppose it's my duty to welcome you to DU. So, welcome to DU, please stay a while. Finally, I do find your opinions rather poor, which you are completely entitled to. But please try not to spread garbage around on DU.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

177. Thank you for reminding people of this... the true Hillary revealed.

It ain't over til it's over.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[pnwmom]

225. She was much, much closer to Obama than Bernie is. Their popular vote totals in the last

month were just about even, with them trading tiny leads.

That situation was nothing like now, with Hillary almost 3 million votes and more than 300 delegates ahead.

[TheBlackAdder]

227. That just seems to affirm that negativisms work.

.


You keep posting the numbers, when most of the drive occurred early on, setting the tone.


I'm just posting the fact that the 2008 race was in the gutter.


.

[pnwmom]

228. Not true. The states that she just carried recently were large, diverse states.

Bernie carried a string of low population caucus states, with WA being the biggest. And WA is not a large state, population wise.

[TheBlackAdder]

229. But the tone was set early on in the Southeast and gave an instant delegate lead.

.


While I am for closed primaries, I also believe that undeclareds, Indys, and disgruntled Reps should be able to switch to the Democratic Party right up to voting day--instead of alienating a lot of people, denying them the ability to participate and join the party.


.

[pnwmom]

234. What you call the "tone" was really just the fact that she has extremely strong support

among African American voters, which was first demonstrated in the South. But her success among minority voters there has been repeated all over the country, including in the most recent races.

[gopiscrap]

254. actually it is:

it has the 11th most electoral votes of the 50 states and DC with 12 Only CA, FL, TX, PA< IL , GA, MI, NC> OH, VA have more

[farleftlib]

239. Hillary is a gutter fighter

She is not a victim in this campaign nor was she in '08. Thanks for pointing out one of her finest moments.

[hellofromreddit]

2. Is this a typo?

If Hillary pulled half of the shit that Bernie and his people did in 2008 she would have been SOS with President Obama.

Did you mean SOL?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

178. hahaha... so Hillary DID pull the shit her supporters are falsely accusing Bernie of.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[pdsimdars]

147. genius . . . . great editor!

[cwydro]

3. Good post.

[virtualobserver]

4. Goldman Sachs and Big Pharma thank you for your support.

[ronnykmarshall]

17. Thank you for proving my point.

[virtualobserver]

22. Your point is that you support the DNC and Hillary.....along with their pals

I get it.

[Logical]

30. You post is "look at me"!

[synergie]

58. As is yours since it adds nothing.

[oasis]

86. Baaaazing

[seabeyond]

35. Actually, 3 million MORE than Sanders. Clinton vote count well exceeds 3 million.

I know you know, just clarifying.

[George II]

32. "Big Pharma" is saving countless lives around the world every day.

[virtualobserver]

49. Big Pharma is making countless dollars around the world every day

It is all about the Tubman's.

[George II]

62. I'm taking two medications, total monthly cost $4.00, total cost to Obamacare $11.00

Without them I'd wind up with serious heart disease.

Thank you, "Big Pharma"!

[virtualobserver]

65. Thank Obamacare, not Big Pharma

[George II]

66. "Big Pharma" developed the medications, the ACA didn't.

[virtualobserver]

71. They also price gouge, and ignore evidence of deadly side effects....

Some of the drugs that help relieve the negative effects of one ailment, damage other organs in order to achieve it,

it is a money machine. They also ignore anything that they cannot patent, even if they find serious health benefits.

[synergie]

90. Then by all means protest them by opting out of any and all drugs, that is your right.

The rest of us will be happy to treat our illnesses and those of our loved ones. Many pray every day to have the access you disparage. Privilege to pout over politics while rejecting the work done by researchers and pharma companies everyday is nice, if you can swing it.

[virtualobserver]

95. It is your privilege to ignore the deaths caused by their greed

...just as you ignore the complete corruption of our political system because you believe that it favors your candidate.

[synergie]

110. Which deaths would those be that I'm supposedly ignoring? The ones that die due to

a lack of access to medication? Or are those deaths the ones you're happy to ignore? Just as you ignore truth, reality and facts which have been proven to be rather inconvenient for your candidate?

Do you truly wish that everyone was deprived of pharmacology therapy, and do you truly have no clue just how many deaths are caused by such purist silliness?

When you don't have to look into the eyes of the people you sacrifice at the altar of your purity politics, it's very easy to repeating silly talking points that don't show much awareness of knowledge about anything medicine, drugs or how they actually work in this world.

Deaths caused by callous indifference to reality in favor of playing at politics, that's pretty cold, and rather corrupt. Your candidate offers vague references to policies that would indeed endanger many and cause immense suffering, but neither you nor he seem to be much educated about the realities of poorly thought out policies with little thought or understanding behind them.

[virtualobserver]

126. no one is denied medication and no one is gouged in the world of my candidate

the deaths are all on the greedy side of Big Pharma....as they conceal deathly side effects for profits

your straw man is laughable....no one is sacrificed at the :altar of my purity, and no one is endangered by coverage for all Americans.

Unnecessary deaths are prevented.

Unlike team “Trudge up the Hill”(Thanks, President Obama!) I believe in Healthcare for all.

[treestar]

158. They would not do so as they know they will get sued

America is litigious - which is actually good, in that it encourages companies not to put out dangerous products.

[virtualobserver]

167. they have done so, and I have personally known someone who died because of it

[treestar]

251. perfection does not exist

And that's why they always want "tort reform." But when they screw up they have to pay the damages.

[virtualobserver]

253. when corporations conceal evidence of deadly side effects it is not "imperfection"

it is not merely a "mistake".

[Logical]

263. Lets shut all of them down!!!!!

[Sparkly]

269. Yeah, let's!!!

How shall we go about it?

Considering Congress exists? And the other party is so obstructionist, they're still trying to vote down the ACA?

We could work for reform, but that's so third way..

I know! We could all yell "Let's shut all of them down!!!!!" REALLY loud! That should do it.

[virtualobserver]

272. let's stop them from influencing politicians by carpet bombing them with money

[MFM008]

120. and Sanders is still taking money

with out a chance of winning.
Maybe his supporters should just make his house payment or pay his next trip to the Vatican?

[PatrickforO]

111. Big pharma is also allowing people who cannot pay for their drugs to die.

From a shareholder standpoint, it is good business to set the price of any given drug high enough so maximum revenue can be derived while an 'acceptable' number of people are allowed to die. From a moral standpoint, not so much. I guess I'm one of those unicorns, but we are simply going to have to reorganize our world around decisions and policies that benefit our entire species by promoting social, economic and environmental justice. It may already be too late here, because we're facing some existential threats that have been downplayed by the lie merchants, but nonetheless exist.

And, you know, one of the FIRST things that we're going to have to jettison is the 'profits over people' model. Profit IS a dirty word if people are dying for its sake.

WE'VE got to get moral here, ASAP.

[treestar]

157. Exactly, we are expected to hate all companies

no matter what they do. Most Americans do not hate business. This is why Bernie can't win the general.

[George II]

173. Let's see what I did this morning....

- I got up and made coffee - BIG food conglomerates import the coffee beans
- I took a shower - using soap and shampoo made by the same FOREIGN conglomerate that Sanders' best buddies Ben & Jerry sold their ice cream company - Uniliver (UK and Dutch owned)
- Got in my car (manufactured by BIG AUTO) and went to get gas, sold by BIG OIL.
- Went to the bank (BIG BANKING) and checked to see if my pension check had arrived - a pension that is almost 100% invested in WALL STREET!
- Finally I went to the local Walgreen's to pick up our three prescriptions, manufactured by BIG PHARMA. Cost to us for a month? $6.00 TOTAL

Let's see Sanders and all his followers put their lives where their mouths are - do without BIG Pharma, BIG oil, BIG auto, BIG banks, WALL STREET and BIG International food and household item providers.

I didn't see any loud hue and cry about Sanders' "carbon footprint" and abject waste when he flew 19 hours round trip to Rome for a 10-minute speech and chance encounter with the Pope. How much BIG oil was consumed for that?

I don't see anyone complaining about most of Sanders' net worth invested in mutual funds that rely on stocks and bonds traded on WALL Street.

[RoccoR5955]

207. Well, here's what I did.

I made coffee that I got from a local roaster who gets their beans from a worker owned co-op in Mexico.

I took a shower using soap that is made in the US in by a smaller US company and is never tested on animals

I got on my US made bicycle that is very old and has been repaired by the local repair shop, and rode to

My local credit union, who makes sure to invest the money that I deposit where we, the members of the credit union tell it to.

I went to the food co-op and got the herbal remedies that were recommended by my osteopath.

Oh, I stopped along the way to the farmers' market to get some food for dinner from local farmers.


I guess that some of us don't need the big businesses, big pharma, or big anything.

[yardwork]

222. I do all those things too, but the difference is that I recognize my privilege.

One day you or your loved ones will have a serious illness that requires more than herbal remedies, and when that day comes, you will either access Big Healthcare or you won't. I've lived long enough to know with 99% certainty what you will choose.

[RoccoR5955]

223. Yeah I recognize that.

I also recognize that the fact of the matter is that life ultimately leads to death.
Personally, if I get a "serious illness," I would rather just die, than pay everything I own to Big Healthcare and Pharma.

[yardwork]

243. I hope that you have many, many years before that happens.

Many people recover completely from serious illnesses - over and over in their lives - without paying everything they own. I wish you long life and happiness.

[RoccoR5955]

244. You know what.

With this climate change that I, for one have been warning people about for more than 30 years, and the right wing corporatists that abound, I really hope you are wrong. I really do not want to be here.
I'll just go about my business and tread lightly on the planet, while I still tell others about the impending doom. Whether or not they listen, be certain that capitalism is killing the planet and killing the Human race.
No, I don't want long life, because as things are going at this point, I shall never be happy.
Too many people are too concerned with their materialistic gains. All about me, me, me, and not enough us and we.

[treestar]

250. So what about everyone else?

You have those choices.

[treestar]

249. And each of them employs many people

Who make their living from their jobs. And thus have money to buy whatever we are selling for our livings.

[Loki]

260. I was just going to ask which one is willing to

give up their Rx's and any that any family member takes, to stop supporting "big pharma". Betcha I would hear crickets, in fact, I know I would. It's all talk. But it doesn't stop us from wanting change and that's what we will get with a Democratic president, senate and house. Madam President.....sure love the sound of those words.

[pnwmom]

226. The NRA thanks Bernie. n/t

[virtualobserver]

230. Bernie has a D- rating from the NRA, and they ran hard against Bernie when he ran for the Senate

Big Pharma funds her current campaign and I could retire in luxury from just the cash that they gave her personally from short speeches.

[pnwmom]

233. This year he does. They liked him more the year he voted for the PLCAA

and more the year he voted against Brady.

And the NRA website is full of articles attacking Hillary -- but not Bernie. For obvious reasons.

http://www.americas1stfreedom.org/articles/2016/5/3/dear-hillary-well-keep-our-gun-culture-thank-you/

At a campaign stop in Hartford, Conn., late last month, Democratic presidential front-runner ratcheted up her hateful rhetoric toward law-abiding American gun owners. Yes, you read that right—once again she was ignoring violent criminals involved in murder and mayhem on our streets, while targeting those who own and regularly use firearms for a variety of legal reasons.

“I am here to tell you I will use every single minute of every day … looking for ways we can save lives, that we can change the gun culture,” she told the fawning crowd. (Emphasis added.)

Aside from the obvious question that arises concerning the myriad of extremely important challenges facing our nation that will evidently go ignored by such single-mindedness should Clinton be elected, the statement reveals another fault in her logic. The gangbangers shooting it out on the streets of Chicago aren’t the people Clinton is referring to as the “gun culture.” In truth, I’m the “gun culture.” And you’re the “gun culture.”

That’s right, her goal is to change us.

[Buzz Clik]

5. +1

[Stallion]

6. I'm Right There With You

Clinton supporter in 2008 but proudly cast my ballot for Obama in 2008 and 2012 and the Democrats in 2010 and 2014. Loyal Democrats versus Independents shooting from the rear many of whom have been driving Obama's unfavorables for years and sat on their ass during mid-terms

[puffy socks]

191. Amen! nt

[Bleacher Creature]

7. Fantastic post!!

Thank you!

[LisaM]

8. Amen!

I could not have said it better.

[SidDithers]

9. Well said...

Sid

[BootinUp]

10. Sometimes you just have to speak your mind.

I've got your back.

[pdsimdars]

149. You mean "Sometimes you just have to speak your rage"

There wasn't much actual fact or thought in that post

[CentralCoaster]

11. OK, you like Hillary Clinton. You don't like Jane Sanders. Got it.

I hope you don't mind then that we like Sanders and his wife, Jane, and don't care for Hillary Clinton.

Good. I'm glad we had this talk.

PS: I don't think you'll be banned.

[chwaliszewski]

130. Agreed!

[treestar]

160. That's very odd

Hillary is running against Bernie, not Jane.

[840high]

279. +10

[Triana]

12. The HUGE multinational corps trying to take ALL power away from the people via "free trade"...

..THANK YOU for your support of their efforts.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027797776

[Thinkingabout]

13. Thanks Ronny, I like hearing you voted in the presidential and mid term elections, a good citizen.

[babylonsister]

14. You I love, and we should all be 'allowed' to

support who we want there. You go, my friend.

I support Bernie, but I understand your passion. Rock on!

[ronnykmarshall]

18. and I love you too.

[postatomic]

15. Why would anyone alert on this?

Sorry. Stupid question. I should know better.

You know, early on I liked Jane. She seemed to keep The Sandman grounded.

[Doctor_J]

45. they wouldn't. It's another stupid "bwah...everyone hates me because I like Hillary"

vanity post

[postatomic]

74. I didn't see it that way

You'll have to be honest and admit that any post that praised Hillary Clinton has been met with some odd and vile comments. Not all, but a large number of them have been 'burned'. So, quite a few people are hesitant to start any 'I like Hillary' OP.

That's fucked up. It shouldn't be that way.

[Marr]

98. +1, desperate to play the martyr. Much like Hillary, oddly enough. /nt

[uponit7771]

112. I was hidden for posting Sanders own words... and about Sanders having West stump for him

... in IA and NH in front of mostly white people and get hidden when the "Southern States" came

[puffy socks]

179. I was hidden for

Posting
"What prize did you win?"

After a Sanders supporters suggested another pro Hillary person was a troll .

They posted
"Troll posts for troll prizes."

[postatomic]

218. I think we've all had bogus hides

It's been how things have gone around here.

[hrmjustin]

16. I don't like Sanders anymore either.

Fortunately he won't be our nominee.

[insta8er]

19. No don't worry this stuff won't get reported, 13 min videos of hillsters lying

Are the ones that get reported, because what else can you do if the ugly truth is staring you in the face.

[bettyellen]

20. It's going to be hilarious when the bus rolls over Bernie for supporting Hillary.....

So there is that to look forward to!

:cheers:

[Armstead]

46. That's a silly statement

About 10-15 percent of people will "throw Bernie under the bus" if the time comes for him to support Clinton.

Others will listen, accept it and make up thier own minds of what to do.

And Bernie is absolutely correct. If she is the nominee it will her job to convince them that she actually does want to represent them at least as much as Goldman Sachs.

[bettyellen]

54. I'd guess 15-20% will throw him under the bus. that said- it is petulant and childish to do that.

and the bigger problem is that those 15-20% are the most vocal and active on Reddit, Twitter and FB and it will be mortifying for SBS and for his supporters, as well as for the Dem party to have to watch them evicerate Sanders for something the rest of us knew all along would happen- what SBS has SAID will happen, in fact.

[Armstead]

79. I always say that in any campaign, movement etc with large numbers...

There's as many personalities as individuals involved.

[bettyellen]

80. I think a couple of "personalities" have emerged online - and it is not so pretty.

I am watching this interview with Bernie and he does not seem enthusiastic talking about contesting at the convention.... it is puzzling.

[Armstead]

83. I don't get your pount...

But thats okay...i'm going to bed....once again wasted too much time on DU tonight

[bettyellen]

89. I meant to say that I think just a few personalities feel prominent- because of the net....

but they might actually not be as common as they appear.

[treestar]

159. Not so. The party rallies behind the nominee

Hillary did not say it was Obama's job to convince - she got behind him and helped.

[cui bono]

235. One more thing she was wrong about.

[treestar]

248. She was wrong to support Obama?

[Joob]

21. Like the passion

I'm no supporter of Hillary but guess we should all keep in mind we're fighting for a democratic party that we believe in.
We should keep it civil on both sides. With that said, I'm still Bernie or Bust.

You're wrong. No you're wrong. And that's how things get heated. Of course it will, but we can be civil about it I hope.

[aikoaiko]

23. This is what it looks like when a liberal fights for an agenda instead of a job.

He's not quitting because he wants to show how far and deep a more liberal agenda can go. I support that.

Remember the Howard scream speech? Remember what he said after the scream?
"We will not give up!" And then he quit in February.

And now he is a shill for the medical industry.

[seabeyond]

31. No. When a loser throws his tantrum.

[Armstead]

42. Oh please

He's not throwing a tantrum. Fer God sake.

[seabeyond]

43. Sure looks like it to me. I don't expect this nastiness with Democrats.

[Armstead]

48. Democrats have always been known as the "herding cats" party

It's the GOP that falls into line without questioning....Well, until this year anyway.

[aikoaiko]

44. He's just campaigning until the end. How is that a trantrum?

He's talking about the same issues he has from the beginning.

[Hiraeth]

107. It isn't. something about

the smeller's the feller goes here.

[redstateblues]

39. In Bernieworld anyone with a good job is a corporate shill if they

aren't for Bernie. Of course Bernie didn't have a job until he was 40

[kerry-is-my-prez]

24. I used to love him too. I'm really disappointed in him and the way he's been acting.

[Logical]

27. Lol, sure you did! Nt

[kerry-is-my-prez]

70. Was a huge fan. Have been following him for years. To be honest I actually agree with his ideas

more than I do with Hillaries. I really don't care if you choose not to believe me because I have little respect for someone who calls a person they don't know a liar.

I don't believe that someone who has called himself a Socialist can win at this point in time.

I've been rooting for and supporting Hillary for a long time now and as a woman am very much rooting for a female president. If another white male (or male for that matter) wins over one of best-qualified people to ever run for President, I would be completely dismayed.

[Silver_Witch]

108. I too am rooting for a female president...

just not this female. She is not in my humble opinion she is not the best qualified by a mile. But them I am a peace freak and bleeding heart liberal for decades.

I will wait for a better female to be our President.

[MFM008]

121. so in the meanwhile

One time I baby sat one of my best friends kid, She lived right next door.
I hadn't spent much time with her let be alone with her.
The kid spent most of the night screaming at me to leave,
don't touch this, don't talk to her, a real double fuking nightmare.
I told her mother and it ruined our friendship forever.
She didn't believe me, you ask what the point is?
Read it again.

[Silver_Witch]

171. Not the same sorry

I am not friends with anyone here so if they don't like hearing the truth about Clinton I don't fear loosing any friendships.

Sorry don't get how this applys.

[puffy socks]

186. A peace freak

who apparently dismisses Bernie's war hawkish voting record. He's voted for far more war than Hillary. Voted to overturn Sadaam back in 98 too.

[pdsimdars]

150. Give us all a break. . . . tell us which issue, what principle did Hillary get right for you

and Bernie got wrong? What issue was the back breaker for you?
Explain it for us.

Otherwise just accept that you are not being honest about your former support of Bernie.

[Armstead]

52. Everybody loves a progressive when they safely tucked away in the corner

When they actually come out and push a liberal progressive agenda......Democrats become teh townspeople in "The Night of The Living Dead"

[BootinUp]

82. If Bernie had been denied running as a Democrat you would have a point

Lets turn the race around. If Hillary was in Bernie's spot are saying there wouldn't be pressure for her to concede the race from Bernie supporters?

[w4rma]

122. Bernie doesn't have the impending legal problems that Hillary has. (nt)

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

180. Fair point.

[Goblinmonger]

184. I think that picture is from

Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

Otherwise, completely agree.

[nc4bo]

59. I've beenvery disappointed in Hillary Clinton going on 9 years now. So disappointed I want nothing

to do with her or what she represents nor her fake ass populism.

You can put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[uponit7771]

113. Thank God he's revealing his true character now

[Sparkly]

266. Same here.

I always respected and admired him.

I never could have imagined he'd be doing this.

[Logical]

25. Banned? Dramatic much? LOL!

[Doctor_J]

51. Drama Queens For Hillary!

Here is one person who didn't get banned:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6017420&mesg_id=6018254

Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sun May-18-08 01:08 PM

7. Yeah, her negative shit came back to bite her in the ass and

Obama soared. Thanks hilary for being such a lying, pandering fighter for yourself when you didn't fight against bush one fucking iota.

We wouldn't be in Iraq if hilary and the Dems fought against bush like hilary LIED against Obama. All these people wouldn't be DEAD.

[chwaliszewski]

131. Cha loves her some Hillary now, though

[merrily]

246. Perhaps just some confusion over whose supporters have been getting banned since December?

[seabeyond]

28. Righteous rant and I am with you absolutely!!! Nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. Alert? Why oh pray why?

perhaps though you might be projecting.

Just a thought. Some of the responses could be, but why waste my time?

[zappaman]

77. Ironic that you constantly say your OPs will be alerted on.

But I guess it's okay when you do it?

[nadinbrzezinski]

87. Except I do not waste my time alerting

It is truly a waste of time, even with fans

[zappaman]

114. Uh huh

[nadinbrzezinski]

118. What you believe is your projection and fantasy

[zappaman]

124. Best of luck to your candidate

He needs it

[Progressive dog]

34. Thank you for putting in words how I also feel

My wife has been telling me for weeks that no matter how bad Bernie and his campaign act, we will have to vote for him over Trump. Last night she saw Bernie with his "steal the super delegates, further the revolution" speech and she was finished with Bernie. I have also been moving that way and am so glad that he has lost so I will still have a Democrat to vote for in the general.

[Armstead]

40. How have they been acting worse than Clinton?

The Clinton campaign is just a lot more devious in their crappiness. They bought off (or scared in) the super delegates back before there was a primary.

And you begrudge her opponent the opportunity to try and fight back?

[seabeyond]

57. How are they worse than Clinton? This garbage. Totally made up insulting attacks like you just made.

[Progressive dog]

138. Bernie fought in the primaries and he has lost.

He has no way to victory. He is now working to help the Republicans, it is time for him to stop.

[Armstead]

142. How is trying to influence the platform helping the Republicans?

Why do you begrudge Bernie for fighting hard, but with Clinton you want her to fight hard?

[Progressive dog]

148. First, Bernie claims that he still has a path to the nomination

Second, Bernie claims to be a Democrat, he is running in the Democratic primaries, actual Democrats don't continue "fighting hard" against the Democrats who have beaten them.
Third, Bernie will have exactly as much say in the platform as the winner allows him to have. Helping the Republicans by "fighting hard" against Hillary and the DNC is not the way to influence Hillary or actual Democrats.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

181. Seriously!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[passiveporcupine]

84. steal the super delegates?

Last edited Tue May 3, 2016, 01:51 AM - Edit history (1)

OMG, I can't believe how freaked out so many people are by Bernie working within a system set up to work this way. The super delegates never chose between Bernie and Hillary. They had to go with Hillary from the very beginning because she was the presumptive winner, and even if they might have preferred Bernie, she was "supposed" to win and they could not go against the establishment...or they would pay for it.

Now some brave ones have supported Bernie, but it's still pretty much the original "set-up" that gave Hillary the upper hand without even earning it. Not because all these people think Hillary is a better choice...but because they really had no choice.

So...if it becomes a contested convention, meaning neither candidate had enough pledged delegates to win the nomination (come on...the rules are the rules), which means it's still an open contest...

OMG, now some of the super delegates might actually get to switch to supporting Bernie, whom they may have really wanted to support in the first place.

So what is so terrible? What was terrible was the rigged situation in the beginning. If Bernie does contest, he can't force any super delegate to switch. If they do, it will be because they "want" to. GET IT? Or possibly their constituents push them to do it. Bernie has no power over them...but Hillary does.

Why shouldn't they be able to support who they want to support? Why should they have to be forced to go with the establishment?

Now, I don't think Bernie is going to win this way, unless he gets a lot more pledged delegates before the convention and closes the gap. And if that happens, then where is the crime?

I think I hear a lot of people panicking...and the sound of that is getting ugly. They thought after NY he would just give in...but he didn't and now they are freaking out because he might actually still have a legitimate chance to win the contest.

And all of a sudden people who claimed they "liked" him or even "loved" him even though they supported Hillary, suddenly hate him? Oh give me a break. You either never liked him, you were just playing a game, or you don't really hate him now...you are just scared.

It's OK to be scared. You don't have to overreact.

[Progressive dog]

136. OMG, Bernie can't succeed in making it a "contested contest"

because he is not a real Democrat and both Hillary and the super delegates are. Bernie may not like it but he doesn't get to overturn the decision of Democratic voters by getting super delegates to overturn Democrat's overwhelming support for Hillary. He is either delusional or he doesn't care who wins if it's not him.

[passiveporcupine]

224. OMG OMG OMG

I think that is Hill Camp motto.

[Progressive dog]

237. So you must be in the Hill camp

since I replied to your post with the OMG.

[passiveporcupine]

245. No, my use of the OMG's were intentional...to sound like you guys.

[Progressive dog]

285. OMG OMG OMG that is funny

[bkkyosemite]

36. Now I would take your OP and just switch the characters around and call it a day.

[Live and Learn]

53. +10,000 nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

183. haha, yes!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[Armstead]

37. She pulled just as much shit in 2008...and has been pulling it this year

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, as are we all.

Bit it's disappointing to see you joining the chorus of vituperative resistance to the notion of a primary being allowed to pursue its course.

[redstateblues]

72. more excuses for Bernie's failed gambit

[pdsimdars]

154. Hillary used to be for "the notion of a primary being allowed to pursue its course."

Until she was the front runner. Just one more flip flop.

[sheshe2]

38. Excellent rant.

Thanks ronny.

Here~



Hillary 2016

[EndElectoral]

47. Why would I alert it? Disagree with most of it, but would never alert it.

I've been with DU a very long time as well. I think something very different is happening here than back in the early years.

We were united against a GW administration. However something much more insidious is happening now. A testing of the boundaries of progressives and neoliberals. This is a good thing and should be electric. Sanders is speaking of a Revolution, not a tea party (unless of the kind that helped foment the American Revolution when Bostoners threw tea into the harbor in revolt of essentially corps that were gouging Americans)

See where we part ways is when you state I am a PROUD DEMOCRAT! I support my party. I would say it a little differently I am a PROUD DEMOCRAT! I support the party exemplified by those Democrats who have upheld the best in democratic principles like FDR and JFK and LBJ's Great society programs. Those democrats who don't walk lock stock in single file like ants, but are willing to step out and fight for principles that enrich our Democratic Party, not move it further right.

I admire your passion, but I think this is a battle for what it means to be a Democrat today so that we are voting for more than a candidate with simply a "D" beside their name. It's the principles that make the Democratic Party. Not the Party that makes one a Democrat.

I'm done supporting candidates who violate core democratic principles and who pursue incrementalism, and hawkish foreign policies and who admire men that literally could be tried as war criminals or compromise their values by accepting bribes from large corporations. Sanders has indeed created a revolution of New Democrats. Those who don't accept the "lesser of two evils" proposition, and demand a new world that fights hard for change rather than appeasing rhetoric during election time.

So why would I alert you?

[Live and Learn]

56. +10,000 nt

[uponit7771]

116. One of the reasons why the banned was revoked was because of the number of times AA and HRC ...

... supporters were alerted on by stacked Sanders juries.

I was alerted on for posting Sanders own words on "ghettos" and blacks

[silvershadow]

128. Well said. I couldn't agree more. Is New Democrat a thing I missed? I like the

potential...

[NanceGreggs]

50. That's my RonnyK!!!

[ronnykmarshall]

256. Back at ya!

[betsuni]

55. K&R

[Firebrand Gary]

60. Kicked and recommended!

Thank you for the superb post ronnykmarshall!

[senz]

61. I know you only as someone who makes snide putdowns on Bernie.

That's all I've ever seen you do. You've never had a good word for Bernie OR his supporters.

This OP seems phony.

[pdsimdars]

155. ^^^^^^^^^^^ Amen! ^^^^^^^^^^^

You could tell it was all about whining and snivelling just by reading this one, without knowing the whole past.

[ronnykmarshall]

295. Thanks for stalking!

[whatchamacallit]

63. Whatever floats your boat

[cherokeeprogressive]

64. Whatever trips your trigger.

[pdsimdars]

156. Whatever quids your pro quo.

[cherokeeprogressive]

164. I see what you did there. Good one! nt

[snowy owl]

67. Why rage? She went to the end. Bernie's going to the end. Ok for her, not him? Silly.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

185. There you go again snowy... using logic!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[vintx]

220. Beyond silly. Hypocritical,

But that kinda figures, considering...

[nini]

69. Damn! I see you haven't change your ways Ronny

which makes me very happy

[William769]

73. There is one constant Ronny, we are both stil here.

[nolawarlock]

75. Well said!

I will support whoever is the nominee. I don't want the Republitrons taking over the world.

[Maru Kitteh]

76. Right there with you RonnieK

[sadoldgirl]

78. You know very well that you won't be banned

Therefore you just rant to get attention.

Okay.How happy will you be when the TPP has
been signed by HRC?
When she will be impeached like her husband
for lying under oath?

but calm down, nobody can hurt you over the
internet, even though you pretend that is the case.

Hey, your candidate is supposed to be so tough,
why then are you whining?

[Bobbie Jo]

81. ronnyk!

K&R, buddy!

[fun n serious]

85. I am a PROUD Establishment Democrat

Proud to own it

[oasis]

88. 100 % agreement from this Hillary supporter.

I'm With Her.

[ismnotwasm]

91. K&R

[workinclasszero]

92. "I'm over this bullshit."

[Beacool]

93. Hear, hear!!!!

People have a right to support the candidate of their choice, what it's inappropriate is to use RW talking points on a Democratic site to attack the candidate who is not of their choice. The constant bashing goes far beyond differences in policies, its' become personal.

As for Sanders, I have said repeatedly that he has a right to stay until the last vote is cast. What has infuriated me is this latest strategy of his, and his two hustlers, (Devine and Weaver). I have lost all respect for his campaign. It's one thing to fight until the bitter end and then release your votes so that the person who won can be nominated by acclamation, as Hillary did in 2008. Another thing completely different is to insist that the super delegates should switch to you, although your opponent has triple the pledged delegate advantage that Obama had in 2008. The super delegates will not go against the will of the people and switch to the losing candidate. The mere suggestion that they would do so is undemocratic. I expected better from Sanders.

[Turin_C3PO]

213. I don't think he's really going to

try and get SD's to overturn the popular vote. I think his strategists might urge him to, but I think he'll endorse Hillary in June. That's my hope, at least. I'm a Sanders supporter and looking forward to voting for him in New Mexico.

[Beacool]

215. But that's what he, Devine and Weaver keep saying.

Sanders just gave a speech on Sunday where he reiterated that meme. One of his campaign staffers even had the nerve to suggest that the latter states' results should count more than the states that voted earlier in the election calendar. What?????

I'm done with him and his campaign. I would respect him if he merely said that he would stay in the race until all votes were cast and let the chips fall where they may, but this insistence on trying to make super delegates switch to him even if he's losing is not democratic. Obama had a small pledged delegate advantage (102) and still won the nomination. It's is what it is.

For the record, if Sanders had won the nomination I would have voted for him in the GE. Anything to stop Trump from becoming president.

[artislife]

94. Oh the drama...

[lunamagica]

96. K&R a million times!!!

Thank you for this!

[akbacchus_BC]

97. Skinner is not going to ban you Relax, He supports Mrs. Clinton!

[Marr]

99. You're so very brave.

[akbacchus_BC]

100. Why on earth will you be banned? You are a Clinton supporer

[Cha]

101. WOW, ronny! So glad you got to tell it like it is! And, thank you for supporting President Obama

even though you love Hillary so much.

I was for Obama and still am but now I love Hillary and want her to be #45!

[2cannan]

175. See post #51. nt

[Jitter65]

102. PROUD DEMOCRAT...says it all. New button, please!!

[Trust Buster]

103. The sad thing is that you have to be worried about being alerted on for posting your honest

thoughts in total accordance with TOS by intolerant people that claim that they're all about Liberty.

[Lisa0825]

273. ^^^^This.

[Silver_Witch]

104. This is the problem of painting people with a broad brush...

Truth is I supported Obama in 2008, voted in the mid-term and supported President Obama in 2012. I was proud to stand for 14 hours waiting to get into the inauguration of President Obama in below freezing temperatures. I have voted Democrat since 1974 and intent to continue voting for the foreseeable future.

So I don't support Hillary, never have...probably never will. That is MY RIGHT as a bleeding heart liberal of the Democratic party to vote as I will - for whom I will.

So glad you pulled up your "jock strap" and voted for President Obama - shows you have taste.

Who I vote for in the General is not decided as I don't know who will be the candidate at this time. I get to vote in June in the primary and that vote will be for Bernie - whether anyone on DU believes it is a good vote or a bad vote is not my concern.

So take your ugly rant and shove it in your jock strap and enjoy!!

[northernsouthern]

105. ARE YOU KIDDING????

How can you all be so blind, she pulled some horribly racist crap against the first Black President! How do you sleep at night knowing this?

[basselope]

106. You support a republican.

[seabeyond]

141. Top 15% most liberal in congress.

[SwampG8r]

165. Who was number one?

[seabeyond]

188. I imagine Sanders. See, hurts me not. Clinton only a couple percentage points behind Sanders.

Tells you about the field of liberals and Sanders not too out there. Point being, yours and others caricature of Clinton is not factual or correct.

[SwampG8r]

193. Just asking

I see the reference to her senate liberality often and always note shes in the top five or the top fifteen and i wonder who number one was
The fact that you dont know leads me to believe you are just repeating what someone you agree with said since if you had seen an actual list you would have seen who was.number one before seeing who was number fifteen.
For my money i think wellstone would.be number one in this era.but the list someone you agree with misquoted most likely only included those.now living.

[seabeyond]

194. The article I read had Sanders at number one sitting at 95% and Clinton at 15% sitting at 93%.

[ismnotwasm]

206. Sanders was number one

In the period most often cited. The poster should know this, clearly.

[basselope]

195. No.

This is a false statement, b/c she has ONLY been judged against other senators, not the ENTIRE congress.

However, it doesn't even remotely matter since the institution is so corrupt it just makes you the top 15% least rotten apple.

STILL a republican.

[seabeyond]

198. Yada Yada Yada, you are still incorrect. Clinton is a strong liberal.

[basselope]

200. LOL. Yeo, a good ol War/frackin loving liberal.

Everyone knows a good liberal takes money from the fossil fuel industry and banks, votes for bankruptcy bills and free trade agreements.

Shining example of liberalism at work.

Single payer? HELL NO! Gotta get those insurance companies involved.

Great liberal you got there.

Thank god she will never get elected to office.

[seabeyond]

217. Hey.... Backatcha being a Sanders supporter. Getting frackin' money along with the rest of 'em.

We just do not pretend otherwise, that it comes from employees of said industry. Some like to pretend they are pure. Others get it.

[Bobbie Jo]

151. Nonsense.

[basselope]

196. Democrats love their war and fracking!

[Hiraeth]

109. !

[ibegurpard]

115. I could barely summon enough interest to reply

Let alone alert.

[DemonGoddess]

117. thank you ronnyk!

[MFM008]

119. agree

so much shark jumping going on around here it looks like Shark week.

[w4rma]

123. Most of the shit that the GOP believes about Obama started with Hillary's campaign.

She's a despicable fraud and a con artist.

[Betty Karlson]

125. The pony accusation. Long time no see

And with glitter thrown in for good measure - probably because Clinton is so "gay-friendly" these days. Praise Nancy for the glitter accusation. I am sure I deserved it.

And that entitled whine: I voted for Obama in 2008 so now everybody must vote for Clinton in 2016. It's "HER TURN" by another name.

You fail to realise that Obama EARNED and DESERVED those votes. Clinton spent the last months telling us "I don't want you I don't need you I don't care about you, you racist sexist hell-bound sluts lusting for keyboard-warring Berniebros, complacent and duped millennial pony-wanters and uncorn-riders. Oh and by the way the Reagans started the national conversation they tried to deadpan, just as I tried to deadpan you marriages until 2013."

Tell me how any of that has earned my vote, deserves my vote, or better yet: telkl me how someone so callously disregarding my most fundamental rights is somehow entitled to ANY of my support. Tell me why someone like that even deserves to be nominated, when 57% of the voters thoroughly distrust her. Surely we have better candidates to field?

[merrily]

127. Some OPs seem far more suitable for one's diary or journal.

[leftynyc]

132. Righteous "rant"

And like you were inside my head. I was a Hillary supporter in 2008 and the second she suspended her campaign I was buying my tee shirts and buttons, voted for Pres Obama twice, voted in the midterms - I ALWAYS vote and I ALWAYS support my party which is heads and shoulders above the republicans on every single issue.

[murielm99]

133. Thank you ronnie!

A post like this is long overdue.

I, too, am a proud Democrat who supports my party.

[ProfessorPlum]

135. Sanders is trying to win the nomination

As is Clinton.

[BootinUp]

192. Apparently he will still be trying to win during Hillary's inauguration. nt

[workinclasszero]

214. HAHA

At this point, it wouldn't surprise me.

[PeaceNikki]

137. I love you Ronny. As much of a shitshow this place can be, I'm glad it exists, I'm glad

you're here and I'm glad I met you and so many other amazing people here that I now call friends.

[LexVegas]

139. Don't forget attacking civil rights icons, blatant sexism and blatant racism. nt

[VulgarPoet]

140. Every party's gotta have a Nixon.

[disillusioned73]

144. I've got some bad news...

[link:|

[dlwickham]

277. the definition of irony

a bern bro saying blind loyality is not a virtue

[disillusioned73]

280. "I am PROUD DEMOCRAT! I support my party."

This isn't sports, I support a party that supports me... It's not about the candidates, it''s about standing for certain standards & principles.. obviously you don't understand that concept.

[Lyric]

145. Right there with you, Ronny, as always.

[pdsimdars]

146. Come on, you are so far "into a bubble" that you seem to have lost touch with reality.

Bernie doesn't do the ad hominem attacks like Hillary's campaign has on Bernie.

For the first few primaries, she was out lying about Bernie's healthcare plan. She even had her daughter go out and lie about it. (a proud moment for a mother I am sure, when you have your daughter go out and lie for you . . .awwwww).

Then, when she went to the south, to win the AA vote she swift boated Bernie on his civil rights history.

When it was the rust belt, she spread the lies about Bernie voting against the auto bailout. In all these lies she keeps it up until that set of voters had voted even when she was called on it. Forbes called her out on that and she KEPT lying until the rust belt voting was over.

Those are REAL, ACTUAL lies and smears.

If you look at what he has done, Bernie has talked about Hillary's actual record, not made up lies. Her support for every war and every trade bill. Those are TRUE, Hillary's are LIES. And Hillary supporters refuse to understand the difference. That is too bad for you AND the party.

And supporting Hillary is NOT supporting Democratic values.




Get over your fake outrage and incorporate some facts into your thinking.

[Progressive dog]

169. Bernie did vote against the auto bailout

so Hillary did not lie about that. He was for it before he was against it.

Bernie voted to destroy the banks along with the economy if he had to save them to save the auto industry. Now that sane people voted to save both, he is campaigning on destroying the banks, so we don't have to bail them out again.

As of December 2013, the Treasury was wrapping up TARP and said the government’s investments had earned more than $11 billion for taxpayers.

[RoccoR5955]

208. Thank you for that! n/t

[Doremus]

152. Good for you ... if it were a football game

After the rah-rahs, the reality of privatized social security, wars, climate change and no more middle class sinks in.

In the long run, your "team" doesn't care about you. They have their own backs and will eagerly stick the knife in yours if necessary.

[NCTraveler]

153. Logo Gate defined the intelligence of those we are up against.

I always thought it had to be extremely embarrassing to argue confusion on that one.

[PeteSelman]

161. Support whatever you want, just don't pretend to be more than a corporate tool.

Because by supporting establishment democrats, that's what you're supporting. It just is what it is.

I'm going to choke back the bile and vote for her in November only because the idea of any of those Republicans getting in there is even more repulsive. But I have no expectation of anything changing for the better if she manages to win because of what she stands for and who she truly represents.

We'll be getting Reagan's tenth term minus the religious insanity. That too is what it is.

[ronnykmarshall]

163. and thank you again and rest for Hillary attackers for proving my point.

[Katashi_itto]

172. That the point is corruption pays?

[seabeyond]

189. "don't pretend to be more than a corporate tool." Do not pretend you have a clue.

[Gothmog]

162. K&R

[LWolf]

166. Okay.

No alert here.

I know you are an early DUer. I recognize you.

2004...ugly, yes, but '08 made '04 look like child's play, and '16 is a burning toxic cesspit.

For the record, I've never been a supporter of Hillary Clinton. Not because of her gender; I AM a woman. Because of her record. Because of who she is.

I was thrilled that Bernie threw his hat in. I didn't care who did; I just wanted a candidate to support who is not a neo-liberal, and that is not Hillary Clinton. Sanders has done so much better than I ever thought any non-neo-liberal-establishment candidate could; for the first time in my entire voting life, I've had hope. That's a positive thing, and I'm sorry that you cannot see millions of people with hope, hope that Hillary Clinton does not offer, as a good thing.

I hope for a contested convention; but then, it's not the first time I've hoped for just that. I want authentic, fundamental, positive changes that the status quo is never going to offer up without a fight. I'm eager to take that fight as far as I have to.

Er...HRC WAS SOS with President Obama. And she pulled all kinds of ugly shit in that campaign, and in this campaign. One need only to remove that speck from the eye to see it.

I am a Democrat. I am not proud of the neo-liberal turn the party has taken. I've been told ad nauseum, right here at DU for 13.5 years now, that the way to change the party is to work from within. I'm doing that. The other choice is to work from without. I think that I've been constantly encouraged to "work from within" because of this pattern:

1. Fight in the primaries.
2. "Unify," "get in line," "shut up and vote the way you're supposed to" in the GE.
3. Support the new Dem POTUS with blind loyalty if we win, because if you then fight from within for the change you want to see, you are a traitor.

You see, there really is no time, other than a primary, in which Dems can express unhappiness, discontent, or opposition to the direction the party has taken without that "traitor" label. And, if I read GD correctly, the Clinton campaign and her supporters are happy to start throwing that "traitor" shit at us before the primaries are done, when millions of people still have not voted.

I don't have a problem with your rant. I disagree in total, but that's okay. We're allowed to disagree. I'm not going to alert your post because I disagree with it.

[SwampG8r]

168. A clinton supporter banned?

That is some funny shit
They are free to do what they want
No repercussions
Link to nazi hate site? No problemo
20 hides without review? No problemo
Puh-fucking-leeez!

[RoccoR5955]

209. True dat. n/t

[wildeyed]

170. "didn't get their glitter pony and sat on their asses"

Yep. I'm right there with you. I supported Obama in 2008 but never felt like his campaign was negative. I liked Clinton, too, and would have happily supported her if she won. If Obama were talking the kind of smack that Sanders & Co. talks about her, I would have been very put off. Just like I was very put off by the nasty from the Sanders camp.

The contested convention idea.... I can't even..... He is LOSING the popular vote. Just like Clinton lost it in 2008. No one liked it when she floated the idea, either.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

182. Alert for what? Bombast? Lack of diplomatic skills? Pugnaciousness?

You just sound like your candidate.

[CreekDog]

187. I love your post

Happy to vote for Hillary in California as soon as my ballot arrives.

[ruggerson]

190. right on

my brother

[lastone]

197. You don't know what a democrat

Is or stands for when you spew such tripe.

[Orsino]

199. You have seen only half of the singing angels, then.

The phenomenon you noted applies equally well to both camps. Perhaps it seemed slanted because more DUers were on Sanders' side.

We excuse the bullshit from our own teams, or elevate it to gospel. We disdain the bullshit coming from the other side because, well, that's just talking points.

[CrispyQ]

201. Considering the political meaning of the terms left & right,

& the association of the colors red & blue, a big red right pointing arrow was a stupid choice for a "progressive" candidate. Seriously, didn't anyone in her campaign see that before it was approved or are they really that tone deaf?

[Jester Messiah]

202. Good for you.

Want to vote for her? Knock yourself out, that's your choice. Why are you acting so oppressed? Just because a lot of us won't be making that choice with you, you're some kind of martyr?

[tonyt53]

203. Thank you!

Thank you for being a true Democrat. Bernie-ites are acting like spoiled brats. They have no concept of reality and are the most naive people I have ever heard of. They think that because Bernie says it is so, then it must be. Fact is, Bernie has had years in Congress to do something and he hasn't done jack shit. now he talks about free college tuition and free healthcare and his naive followers think he can do all of that by himself. They have no idea that it will take at the very least a Democrat majority in the Senate. Bernie never tells his followers to vote the down ticket races and he has only helped three people running for House seats himself. That is the main reason he can't get any supers to switch. Again, thank you!

[HassleCat]

204. Having a bad day? (eom)

[Scurrilous]

205. Yes!

Today I read how Sainted Bernie is attacking the Democratic Party as an institution etc etc. Screw that guy and the holier-than-thou horse he rode in on. I'm a member of the Democratic Party and I vote for Democrats and I'm proud to say - @#$% Bernie Sanders.

[livetohike]

210. Thank you Ronny!

[bvf]

211. "Got a problem?"

After that content-free tirade, you're actually asking someone else?

That's rich.

[R B Garr]

212. Glad to be the 100th rec!

Great thread, ronny. I noticed a change overnight in hostility here after Sanders announced almost a year ago. You are so correct in your rant. Not sure about the other primaries here, though, but I'll say I've never seen anything this childish in other primaries. The last one this intense for me was Gore/Bradley, and I just adored Gore so I was really into that one. I never really took Dean that seriously, but saw the manic following and figured it would fade out. Nader just downright pissed me off, and that's the same for Bernie.

I didn't know a lot about Bernie and thought I could learn something here. Instead I've been called the most petty and childish names -- for no reason. I just think of these people calling my mother the same names because she's a Clinton supporter, and it puts it into perspective how much damage they have done to themselves with their unnecessary hostile stance towards other Democrats.

I knew it was a lot of phoniness after they switched from Warren and glommed onto Bernie here. Plus, virtually nothing about Clinton is taken in any context of the political realities of the time or the realities of the situation at hand, so it's all easily dismissed as grandstanding just to be contrary.

You're right all the way. If Hillary pulled any of these gimmicks that Sanders is doing, well......

[hamsterjill]

216. Kicked and recommended.

And about damn time someone laid it on the line like this!

[Sheepshank]

219. well said. K&R!! n/t

[yardwork]

221. Righteous rant. Kicked and recommended.

[kiva]

231. Saying that you are a Clinton supporter

at a site where the owner's wife works for Clinton...yeah, I'd be really worried about being banned also

[imagine2015]

232. Are you an actual member of the Democratic Party?

If so, how much are your monthly dues and do you attend monthly membership meetings?

If you get around to it please post a copy of Democratic Party membership requirements, duties, rights and obligations.

Thanks.

No reason to post an alert on you. I just feel a bit sorry for you.

You're out of touch with most youth and working people in this country who are rejecting the establishment, Republican and Democratic.

We don't expect the ruling rich to understand or represent us.

They are different than us.

They don't hang with us.

They don't live like us.

They are not part of us.

We want authentic people who understand. Hillary clearly doesn't.

She's all about money.

Lots of it.

[Go Vols]

236. lol

[DFab420]

240. Since this is a fuck you to me can I say fuck you to you too?

[ronnykmarshall]

255. Sure

[Herman4747]

241. You know, there is a Hillary Group in DemocraticUnderground...

where people just like you go to hide there heads in the sand regarding how right-wing Hillary is.

[ronnykmarshall]

258. Of course I know of the group.

So we are not allowed to vent? You do know what you just posted is the same shit why I went off in the first place.

Sorry, honey. But myself and my family are NOT right wingers and we support Hillary. I wish my step dad was alive to see her win this election as well as my brother. My brother died in 1989 of AIDS and years before he died he saw how evil the GOP is and became proud Democrat. My mom and step-dad did as well.

You and EVERY Bernie supporter in this thread throwing shade and throwing your little talking points and insults towards Hillary can just keep on. Every thing you say is crap. Bernie is a great guy. I did admire him. But he has become this media hungry monster and doing nothing but attacking Hillary.

At this stage in the game Hillary stopped HER bullshit and stopped the attacks on Barrack. Her campaign in 2008 was shitty. Which is why she lost.

She learned, she moved on and she is the best qualified candidate ever to run.

She has had everything thrown at her by the RIGHT WING ... which she is not ... and now the same bullshit is being regurgitated by the Bernie supporters here in DU and the internet which is ... thank god, not real world or reflective of voters in general. Yet, she is STILL standing.

Thanks for your charming reply.

Love you. Mean it.

[Herman4747]

284. When you write: "best qualified candidate ever to run"...

I can now see that I would be wasting my time arguing with you.

Good luck to you.

[ronnykmarshall]

289. Bye hon

[JTFrog]

270. Maybe you shouldn't leave the Bernie group if you are so afraid of what goes on here.

This is indeed DemocraticUnderground and its fucking hilarious that you think you can censure the supporters of the Democratic Party nominee.

[Herman4747]

281. So presumptuous you are!

I would love to post in the Bernie group, but I have BEEN BANNED FROM IT.
Oh, and I love your mindless profanity. NOT.

[JTFrog]

283. Lol. You've been banned from both.

That ought to tell people something.

Fuck fuckity fuck fuck fuck.

[rbnyc]

242. Do you have anything substantive to say?

This is about policy. We're not voting for prom court.

Regarding a contested convention, Bernie is saying what we, his supporters, are asking him to say. He's doing this because we need him. He's serving us.

It's time for a seriously contested convention. The people do not have a party that represents our interests. Both parties use social issues to keep us locked in battle while our legislative process, empirically, does not respond in any measurable way to the concerns the electorate. The social issues that we liberals are all supposed to be united in caring about will always be in jeopardy as long as their peril delivers our obedience to entrenched party leaders. We must show courage and defiance for the sake and soul of the party and country. We must be brave enough to pull ourselves out of this trap. I really can't for the life of me figure out why people are defending the trap.

I will be demonstrating in Philly to hold Bernie's feet to the fire and make sure he fights for every last delegate vote.

[anotherproletariat]

247. Good for you! This needed to be said!

The Berners are turning otherwise amiable people away from the far left. I will forevermore be against fringe liberal policies because of the damn 'revolution'.

[Ed Suspicious]

252. What a bold stand!

[ronnykmarshall]

259. Why thank you, hon!

smoooooches!!!

[baldguy]

257. K&R

[CentralCoaster]

261. Get well soon.

Hope that soon you'll feel better about things.

[still_one]

262. I agree. I supported Obama in 2008, but the ugliness was child's play compared to what I see now

When the primaries started, I had a very positive favorable view of Bernie. No more.

[Gothmog]

264. Great thread

[SunSeeker]

265. You speak for me, ronnykmarshall.

[Lisa0825]

267. BRAVO!!! STANDING OVATION!!!

[sister_rosa_refried]

268. Have a cocktail, dear.

Don't let this foolishness get a bug up your culo.

Let Sister pour you a stiff one.

and get your mind out of the gutter.

[PowerToThePeople]

271. Hillary makes me vomit

I would vote for Nader before her.

[ronnykmarshall]

274. How vivid.

[UtahLib]

275. K&R. nt

[BillZBubb]

276. Geez, you have the convenient amnesia of a conservative.

Hillary ran a nasty campaign in 2008. Far nastier than anything Bernie Sanders has done. She's also run a dirty campaign this time. She's played both sides of the race card in each campaign, which is about as low as you can go. She used Obama's religion as a target and her campaign fed the "birther" lunacy. I know, you will deny this and make excuses. That's what cultists do.

Sanders has actually been too easy on her.

[ronnykmarshall]

288. oh she fed the birther bullshit?

Right.

What a load of shit.

[Stuckinthebush]

278. Amen!

Well said and right on!

[Loki]

282. That's the difference RonnieK

You're a proud Democrat, not the one who signs up for Match.com with a profile that looks too good to be true, but when they show up for the date, the picture doesn't match. Wouldn't run on his own merits as an Independent. Says much about his convictions and even more about his character.

[Stand and Fight]

286. Amen. n/t

[Walk away]

287. Anyone who runs on the hatred of my party is a dangerous individual.

Bernie and Donald have many things in common but that is the most awful and it binds them together against the only Democrat running of the Presidency.

Now, any open primaries will be flooded with republicans voting for Bernie because everyone but Sander's followers realize he is an incredibly weak candidate. Thankfully there aren't many open primaries left. The Democratic party will have to stay strong for Hillary because the combined forces of Trump and Sander's supporters will be difficult to beat.

[Blue_Tires]

290. kick for truth...

[Bern2WinUSA]

291. You Dont Care Anymore-About the Primary The Country The Future...What exactly does that mean??

Hillary is a LIAR and a Corporatist, Ruthless, Corrupt, A Warmonger and she Doesnt inspire anyone to vote for her! She was a "Goldwater Girl" btw-Goldwater was an extreme Republican and a loser, too. She has never seen a military invasion, War or use of Military Force that she had a conscience about, because she has no conscience. She is an Egomaniac and uses African Americans to her advantage, although Clinton policies only resulted in many non-violent criminals becoming incarcerated for extremely long terms. #Which Hillary
Go Bernie Go!!

[ronnykmarshall]

292. Yes I do care about future

What a don't care about is your typical Bernie bullshit.

Same shit, different screen name.

[B Calm]

293. Do you know what she said to the Wall Street Banksters who had stolen our money and

brought the world economy to it's knees? Or is that one of the requirements to stay uninformed to support Hillary?

[ronnykmarshall]

294. Do you know?

[B Calm]

296. Hell no! That's one reason why I don't trust her.