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Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:29 PM

 

Clinton-Warren Ticket:: "You don't want a vice-president who's going to outshine the president"

POLITICO

The Clinton-Warren fantasy
Hillary Clinton is intrigued by the idea of an all-female ticket. But allies say she likely won't pick the woman of progressive dreams: Elizabeth Warren
By Annie Karni
04/30/16



Elizabeth Warren would be the dream vice presidential pick for millions of forlorn Bernie Sanders supporters, an instant antidote to the charge that Hillary Clinton is too close to Wall Street.

But in interviews with more than a dozen prominent Democrats and campaign allies, most viewed a Clinton-Warren ticket as an unlikely scenario ó despite the appeal of a two-woman ticket to Clinton campaign officials and also to Clinton, who sources said is intrigued by the idea.

Warren has criticized Clinton in the past for flipping her stance on the bankruptcy bill because of Wall Street campaign contributions she took as a New York senator. Still, she is exactly what Clinton needs, some Democrats argue -- an independent thinker with a powerful grassroots fundraising base to tap into.

Warren, proponents of the partnership said, would also help Clinton with her gap among millennial female voters, third-wave feminists who want to see a woman elected president but not merely for the sake of electing a woman.

But the cons of Warren, many Clinton allies said, outweigh the pros. ďYou donít want a vice president whoís going to outshine the president,Ē said the super delegate supporting Clinton. ďWith Warren, I think thereís a real possibility of that.Ē

Democrats said they would also worry about Warrenís ability to fall in line behind Clinton. When she was recruited to run for Senate from her post at the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, for instance, she was wary until she could be assured she could do more about banking regulation from the Senate. And Warren insiders have expressed a distrust of Clinton on their core issue of Wall Street reform.

Read the full article at:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/hillary-clinton-elizabeth-warren-ticket-222652


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Reply Clinton-Warren Ticket:: "You don't want a vice-president who's going to outshine the president" (Original post)
imagine2015 Apr 2016 OP
oldandhappy Apr 2016 #1
InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2016 #2
grossproffit Apr 2016 #7
SFnomad Apr 2016 #12
SidDithers Apr 2016 #14
TheBlackAdder May 2016 #18
Betty Karlson May 2016 #20
TheBlackAdder May 2016 #25
Betty Karlson May 2016 #41
TheBlackAdder May 2016 #43
bettyellen May 2016 #37
TheBlackAdder May 2016 #40
bettyellen May 2016 #42
TheBlackAdder May 2016 #44
KingFlorez May 2016 #45
merrily Apr 2016 #3
imagine2015 Apr 2016 #5
merrily Apr 2016 #11
Eric J in MN May 2016 #23
merrily May 2016 #24
djean111 May 2016 #29
Eric J in MN May 2016 #30
djean111 May 2016 #33
Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #4
Eric J in MN May 2016 #31
Buzz Clik May 2016 #36
azurnoir Apr 2016 #6
ancianita Apr 2016 #10
azurnoir Apr 2016 #13
PragmaticLiberal Apr 2016 #15
ancianita Apr 2016 #16
Vote2016 Apr 2016 #8
MisterP Apr 2016 #17
Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #9
musicblind May 2016 #19
Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #21
artislife May 2016 #32
Eric J in MN May 2016 #22
pengu May 2016 #26
Eric J in MN May 2016 #34
pengu May 2016 #46
Land of Enchantment May 2016 #27
2banon May 2016 #28
bemildred May 2016 #35
hollowdweller May 2016 #38
apnu May 2016 #39

Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:33 PM

1. yep!! Not going to happen.

Smile. Veep has to be obedient and not take away any shine from the president. We need Warren in the Senate. Or at least I think we need Warren in the Senate.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:35 PM

2. VP Warren is already taken...

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:41 PM

7. Oh my.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:49 PM

12. Warren is too smart to take a Veep position from someone who can't even win the primary n/t

 

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:12 PM

14. But "You don't want a vice-president who's going to outshine the president"...nt

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #14)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:01 AM

18. That would be valid if Sanders said it, but those are Clinton's SD's words! They own them!

Last edited Sun May 1, 2016, 01:56 PM - Edit history (2)

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I think a shining VP would set the stage for a Warren Presidential slot in 2020.


(Correction: Misread quoute attribution, it was brought to my attention and I updated the title.)


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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #18)

Sun May 1, 2016, 03:34 AM

20. From your keyboard to God's ears. eom

 

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #20)

Sun May 1, 2016, 11:56 AM

25. That's just a stupid retort.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #25)

Sun May 1, 2016, 01:59 PM

41. No, I mean them: a Warren presidency in 2020 sounds great to me.

 

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #41)

Sun May 1, 2016, 02:02 PM

43. Grr. I have to get off the keyboard and enjoy outside. I'm making stupid posts now.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #18)

Sun May 1, 2016, 01:31 PM

37. why are you pretending Hillary said this when you know better? Integrity means nothing to you?

 

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #37)

Sun May 1, 2016, 01:54 PM

40. My error, Clinton's Super Delegate's words. I'll update my original post.

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It still applies, not from SBS camp.


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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #40)

Sun May 1, 2016, 02:01 PM

42. spreading RW rumours, and then twisting them to be even worse. this is typical these days.

 

honestly, you are the first person I have seen come back and correct their lie- so good on you.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #42)

Sun May 1, 2016, 02:05 PM

44. Well, it wasn't a lie. It was a misread of the OP. You're spreading the crap now.

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When I'm wrong, I correct it. I responded to the OP's content.

But claiming my post was a lie, after I admitted to an error, shows a level of cynicism that is unbecoming.


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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #2)

Sun May 1, 2016, 02:10 PM

45. I don't think she likes him

She'd never except a spot from a losing candidate, anyway. She's not Carly Fiorina.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:37 PM

3. Two Northeastern white women who are over 65 is not a very balanced ticket.

Think what a balanced ticket Obama Biden was.

Besides, I am not sure they like each other very much.

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Response to merrily (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:39 PM

5. Careful! Someone might accuse you of being one of those Bernie sexists!

 

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:47 PM

11. Oh, noes!




"I DONíT CARE" (1905) Words by Jean Lenox

VERSE:
They say Iím crazy, got no sense,
But I donít care,
They may or may not mean offense,
But I donít care,
You see Iím sort of independent,
Of cleverness descendent,
My star is on the ascendant,
Thatís why I donít care.

CHORUS:
I donít care, I donít care,
What they may think of me,
Iím happy go lucky,
Men say I am plucky,
So jolly and care free,
I donít care, I donít care,
If I do get the mean and stony stare,
If Iím never successful,
It wonít be distressful,
ĎCos I donít care.

VERSE:
Some people say I think Iím it,
But I donít care,
They say they donít like me a bit,
But I donít care,
You see Iím sort of independent,
Of a clever race descendant,
My star is on the ascendant,
Thatís why I donít care.

CHORUS:
I donít care, I donít care,
If people donít like me,
Iíll try to outlive it,
I know Iíll forgive it,
And live contentedly,
I donít care, I donít care,
If people do not try to treat me fair,
There is naught can amaze me,
Dislike can not daze me,
ĎCos I donít care.

*changed a lyric because I am not sure what it meant and therefore don't want to repeat it or sign on to it.

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Response to merrily (Reply #3)

Sun May 1, 2016, 05:35 AM

23. Clinton-Warren would balance the centrist and liberal wings. NT

NT

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Response to Eric J in MN (Reply #23)

Sun May 1, 2016, 06:30 AM

24. If they lose the election, they could make the divide greater while one side points at the other.

Besides, they are younger liberals, male and female, white and persons of color, from all parts of the country, who could get that same balance. Barbara Lee, for one.

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Response to Eric J in MN (Reply #23)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:18 PM

29. No, if Hillary picked Warren, she would just be pandering, and then relegate Warren to dinners and

 

funerals, with the extra bonus of getting Warren out of Congress. The Third Way is quite up front about hating warren - according to them, Warren is "getting out of hand".

Warren as VP to Hillary would not get my vote any more than Hillary with anybody as her VP.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #29)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:24 PM

30. Even if Warren had no influence as VP

....(and I think she would have influence), the alternative is putting a centrist in position to be the nominee in 8 years.

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Response to Eric J in MN (Reply #30)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:29 PM

33. We need Warren in Congress - unless Warren is President.

 

And no, she would not influence Hillary. The Third Way has gone so far as to editorialize against Warren in the Wall Street Journal. Hillary is a Third Wayer. She will not be influenced, only happy to put Warren into a powerless position.

I don't think there will be much left of the United States anyway, in eight years. Hillary OR Trump. Constant war, trade deals that suck jobs out of the country.....fracking, Hillary wants to means-test Social Security - only downhill.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:39 PM

4. "outshine the president" Please.

 

Warren's appeal is extremely limited and gives nothing to the ticket with a unlikely exception of appeasing some young voters who might otherwise stay home. Assuming a VP pick every really made that kind of difference.

An all-female ticket makes no sense. It will not happen.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #4)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:26 PM

31. Warren appeals to the people who fund the Sanders campaign. NT

NT

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Response to Eric J in MN (Reply #31)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:57 PM

36. Warren appeals to me, and I didn't give a dime to Sanders.

 

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:40 PM

6. well it would be a way to neutralize someone who would likely be a thorn in the side

of a President Clinton-but it won't happen

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:44 PM

10. Exactly.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #10)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:55 PM

13. FWiW my bet is it'll be JuliŠn Castro

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:20 PM

15. My gut says it's going to be Tom Perez

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:48 PM

16. I've been expecting that, too. But a woman seems up for consideration, according to MSNBC.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:42 PM

8. I'd vote for Hillary-Elizabeth but Hillary's gonna pick a conservative white dude from a swing state

 

Just be glad Lieberman is no longer an option.

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Response to Vote2016 (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:50 PM

17. Lieberman, Trump, and McDairmid's Senator Palpatine all make the same faces: it's fearsome

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:43 PM

9. If CLinton manages to pull this off and not get indicted

we will need Warren right where she is

we don't need her buried in the black hole of a VP position where she will be forced to bite her tongue and support the RW Corporate agenda bullshit that Clinton Admin will be ramming down our throats.

We will need Bernie and Warren and others to try to prevent further slide to Corporatism.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 02:13 AM

19. I don't buy the outshining thing.

I don't think having a Vice President outshine a nominee is necessarily bad. If they are shining for good reasons then it is all good because it is for the same ticket.

Elizabeth Warren would be an amazing pick and add even more star power. I hope they go for it.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 03:55 AM

21. She would choose a Gerry Ford.

A long time insider who can be relied upon to pardon her if it comes to that.

A Warren might do the ethical thing instead, so I don't see her or anyone of Sanders sympathies being chosen. This is some flattering spin for a cover story about counting her out.

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Response to Waiting For Everyman (Reply #21)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:29 PM

32. A Gerry Ford...I think you nailed it.

 

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 05:32 AM

22. I disagree with the implication of the article that Sherrod Brown

...would inspire liberals as much as Elizabeth Warren.

Sherrod Brown voted to repeal Glass-Steagall.

I want Elizabeth Warren to be the next VP.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:07 PM

26. If you think taking Warren out of the Senate and putting her in a ceremonial role is a good idea

Then I don't know what to tell you.

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Response to pengu (Reply #26)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:33 PM

34. Hillary Clinton will be spending lots of time

...as president talking to corporate lobbyists.

If Elizabeth Warren is VP, then Clinton will occasionally talk to a consumer advocate as well.

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Response to Eric J in MN (Reply #34)

Sun May 1, 2016, 03:27 PM

46. lol

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:08 PM

27. Never gonna happen. E Warren has too much integrity.

She would never cave to Hillary's bankster buds.


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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:12 PM

28. Warren was always my first choice as POTUS,but she said no, and Bernie jumped in

 

I don't believe Warren would take the bait, I think she's smarter than that. However, if Bernie tapped her on the shoulder (and that might have already happened) I would personally be ecstatic, and I think the enthusiasm factor would soar.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:39 PM

35. "That would require modesty, humility, and genuine concern for the public interest." nt

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 01:36 PM

38. I can't believe Warren would want to be part of a Clinton admin.

 


Carrying water for a war on Iran, free trade and cuts to Social Security would kill her credibility.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 01:47 PM

39. I highly doubt Warren would outshine Clinton.

Hillary already shines with the brillance of the sun, and the President shines by right of office too. No, Elizabeth Warren would not outshine Hillary Clinton. At best, Warren would shine almost as bright as.

I would welcome that light. Warren being on thr ticket is my dream ticket, was my dream ticket before Sanders got in. I back Sanders is lieu of Elizabeth Warren.

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