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Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:08 AM

 

Is this the press release that warrants an apology from the Clinton Campaign?

Clinton Campaign: Data Was 'Stolen' By Sanders Campaign

Last edited Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:21 PM - Edit history (1)
Source: ASSOCIATED PRESS

Dec 18, 6:18 PM EST

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The campaign manager for Hillary Clinton says its voter data was "stolen" by the presidential campaign of her Democratic rival, Bernie Sanders.

Robby Mook says on a Friday night conference call with reporters that "this was a very egregious breach and our data was stolen."

Mook says the actions of the Sanders staff involved "may have been a violation of the law."

Read more: http://www.weau.com/home/headlines/Clinton-campaign-Data-was-stolen-by-Sanders-campaign-362989811.html


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Reply Is this the press release that warrants an apology from the Clinton Campaign? (Original post)
ViseGrip Apr 2016 OP
leftofcool Apr 2016 #1
wendylaroux Apr 2016 #3
leftofcool Apr 2016 #10
floppyboo Apr 2016 #13
mythology Apr 2016 #16
floppyboo Apr 2016 #18
Hortensis Apr 2016 #34
floppyboo Apr 2016 #36
Hortensis Apr 2016 #38
floppyboo Apr 2016 #41
merrily Apr 2016 #54
Agschmid Apr 2016 #2
yardwork Apr 2016 #4
floppyboo Apr 2016 #15
Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #20
floppyboo Apr 2016 #23
yardwork Apr 2016 #44
floriduck Apr 2016 #55
Hoyt Apr 2016 #22
floppyboo Apr 2016 #25
puffy socks Apr 2016 #28
floppyboo Apr 2016 #33
djean111 Apr 2016 #5
Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #6
DrDan Apr 2016 #7
seabeyond Apr 2016 #8
floppyboo Apr 2016 #17
seabeyond Apr 2016 #30
floppyboo Apr 2016 #37
seabeyond Apr 2016 #40
floppyboo Apr 2016 #42
seabeyond Apr 2016 #43
floppyboo Apr 2016 #47
seabeyond Apr 2016 #48
floppyboo Apr 2016 #50
-none Apr 2016 #53
seabeyond Apr 2016 #49
yardwork Apr 2016 #45
obamanut2012 Apr 2016 #19
sufrommich Apr 2016 #9
hack89 Apr 2016 #11
BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #12
sufrommich Apr 2016 #14
99Forever Apr 2016 #26
obamanut2012 Apr 2016 #32
99Forever Apr 2016 #39
msanthrope Apr 2016 #59
99Forever Apr 2016 #60
msanthrope Apr 2016 #61
99Forever Apr 2016 #62
msanthrope May 2016 #63
99Forever May 2016 #64
obamanut2012 Apr 2016 #21
riversedge Apr 2016 #29
yardwork Apr 2016 #46
pdsimdars Apr 2016 #57
SidDithers Apr 2016 #24
floppyboo Apr 2016 #35
riversedge Apr 2016 #27
NCTraveler Apr 2016 #31
merrily Apr 2016 #51
RandySF Apr 2016 #52
silvershadow Apr 2016 #56
LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #58

Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:10 AM

1. Nope! The data was indeed stolen and the proof is already out

The investigation proved it.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:13 AM

3. yes by the Clinton people,after Sanderd side opened.

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Response to wendylaroux (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:36 AM

10. No. Read the investigative report

It plainly says that neither the Clinton nor the O'Malley campaign looked at, downloaded, stole, perused etc........any data from the Sanders campaign. Logs reveal things ya know.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #10)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:56 AM

13. do you have a link for that report?

 

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:26 AM

16. Here are a couple

 

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/04/29/bernie-sanders-withdraws-lawsuit-dnc-proven-correct-data-breach.html

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/04/sanders-campaign-drops-lawsuit-against-dnc

The full report isn't actually available. But the only people found to have accessed other campaigns' information were on the Sanders campaign.

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Response to mythology (Reply #16)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:27 AM

18. reports on reports. Not good enough. But thanks - wonder why its not available?

 

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #18)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:18 PM

34. Oh, for god's sake -- just be honest with yourself.

Admit he's a professional politician who is capable of run-of-the-mill, or slightly worse, dishonorable and dishonest campaign behavior. The fact that he lies like the usual political rug won't cost Bernie your vote, right?

If some of us sound particularly disgusted, it's because this particular politician postures as the one honorable, virtuous candidate, above all the rest. When he is so not. The truth on many issues keeps getting found out, but instead of honorably admitting he or his staff did bad, the lying and virtuous posturing never waver.

Bernie has been far more dishonest and dishonorable than Hillary all through this campaign, while encouraging people to call her a liar. And that's the shabby truth.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #34)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:36 PM

36. This whole debacle was instigated by an employee recomended by the company running the DNC site

 

Not by Sanders. What interests me here is the stances taken by both sides to establish a claim. And in this case, it is a pretty big one: THEFT. There was no theft found. It was unauthorized use. And the nature of that use has not been officially commented on by the DNC.
So, you see, your stance is very interesting to me. From my POV, it would appear you are jumping to conclusions that have not been officially made. Which makes you look kind of ridiculous.

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #36)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:52 PM

38. Better check your facts. Instead of firing and apologizing,

which an honorable person would have done, Bernie-the-career-politician claimed to be the victim of the DNC and even sued to make his lying point to the voters. And he's still lying.

I was willing to believe in the beginning that Bernie was honorable and had nothing to do with his staffers knowingly committing serious felonies by downloading and storing important information belonging to a political opponent -- information that was of tremendous value to him. Now I am not.

And you should not be either. One standard for everyone, remember?

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #38)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:10 PM

41. huh? here's some facts. They are not the same as yours, so just walk on by if its easier for you

 

The data breach issue was supposed to make Saturday night’s debate a bit more exciting, but Clinton and Sanders seemed eager to patch things up and move on. “The suspense … didn’t last past the first round of questions,” writes Slate’s Josh Voorhees. Sanders explained his side of the story before offering an unequivocal apology to Clinton. "This is not the kind of campaign that we run and if I find anybody else involved in this, they will also be fired," Sanders said. Clinton accepted the apology and said it was time to talk about something else because “I don't think the American people are all that interested in this.”

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/12/20/bernie_sanders_campaign_suspends_two_more_staffers_over_data_breach.html

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #34)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:35 PM

54. The DNC report said the wrongdoing was by the four people Sanders had fired immediately, no one else

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280188442

And, btw, the one of the four who was the most responsible for the breach was the one the DNC had recommended Bernie hire.

But, smear on!

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:11 AM

2. No.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:19 AM

4. This is now proven 100% correct.

The Sanders team stole data. Hillary and O'Malley campaign staff cleared.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #4)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:20 AM

15. The CrowdStrike Investigation disagrees with you. According to this source

 

which is also a report of a report. I've been trying to find the primary source for just about too much of my Saturday morning - none. Please share a link if you have one. (btw, falsely accusing someone of stealing is an offense)
But this secondary source, which is all anyone has contributed here so far, completely disagrees with you. http://www.politicususa.com/2016/04/29/bernie-sanders-withdraws-lawsuit-dnc-proven-correct-data-breach.html

An independent investigation of the firewall failures in the DNC’s shared voter file database has definitively confirmed that the original claims by the DNC and the Clinton campaign were wholly inaccurate – the Sanders campaign never “stole” any voter file data; the Sanders campaign never “exported” any unauthorized voter file data; and the Sanders campaign certainly never had access to the Clinton campaign’s “strategic road map.”

In fact, the independent investigation has confirmed what the Sanders campaign said from the start:
The DNC’s security failures allowed four Sanders campaign staffers – three junior-level staffers led by a manager who had been hired at the recommendation of the DNC and who was immediately terminated after the incident – to have extremely short-lived access for one hour to Hillary for America’s scoring models, but not to any of Hillary for America’s proprietary voter data.

No one else in the Sanders campaign, outside these four staffers, accessed the Hillary for America’s scoring models or had knowledge that the activity was taking place until well after the incident was over.

With one exception, all unauthorized access took place within the DNC’s own system. While there is evidence that the terminated staffer may have exported a summary data table, the independent investigation of Sanders campaign computers could not locate that file and no one in the Sanders campaign has ever seen that file.

With the investigation behind us, the campaign has withdrawn its lawsuit against the DNC today but continues to implore the DNC to address the systemic instability that remains in its voter file system.

And from Josh Uretsky via MSNBC: http://www.msnbc.com/thomas-roberts/watch/fired-sanders-campaign-staffer-speaks-out-588356675888

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #15)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:28 AM

20. So you agree that four Sanders staffers engaged in unauthorised access over a 1 hour period,

and that there is evidence that they exported a stolen data table

You know, when stealing files of data in text form, an hour is plenty long enough.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #20)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:31 AM

23. No, I certainly don't agree. I don't have an opinion. Neither you or I have read the report.

 

So cut it out with using words like 'stolen'. That's pretty damnable, and if wrong, could get you in a lot of trouble!

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #23)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:20 PM

44. Using the word "stolen" on an anonymous message board could get someone in trouble?

Seriously?



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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #20)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:06 PM

55. You must have missed this investigative finding.

 

. . ."confirmed that the original claims by the DNC and the Clinton campaign were wholly inaccurate – the Sanders campaign never “stole” any voter file data;"

Is that so difficult to comprehend?

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #15)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:30 AM

22. The investigation says Sanders' staff improperly accessed data. And a staffer

was fired. It appears a few others improperly viewed Clinton's data, they should have been dismissed too. Clinton and O'Malley staff did not view Sanders' data.

You can't spin that to Sanders' staff did nothing wrong. Or whine that Sanders was treated unfairly.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #22)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:33 AM

25. Where, on earth, did I ever say such a thing? Please wipe the spittle from your lips.

 

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #15)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:46 AM

28. The DNC statement

 

shows the independent investigation found they had exported data , searched 25 times over 11 states for an hour. Four people involved.
Are his supporters so blindly devoted that they can't admit they pulled underhanded tactics?


What's really strange is why Sanders is suddenly dropping the suit if they found him to be correct, as his supporters say.

from Think Progress:
" the Sanders’ campaign sued, arguing that the DNC overreacted by suspending their access, and had harmed their ability to campaign on an equal playing field with Clinton. Moreover, Sanders’ attorneys argued that the DNC broke its contract with the campaign, which stated that the DNC must give notice before suspending access to information. The campaign is seeking $75,000 in damages.

“The DNC, in an inappropriate overreaction, has denied us access to our own data,” Sanders campaign Weaver said at the time. “In other words, the leadership of the Democratic National Committee is actively trying to undermine our campaign.”


I mean, since he's losing and they keep pointing to all this supposed Clinton DNC corruption, wouldn't now be the perfect time to not only continue on but highlight this for his campaign going forward?

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Response to puffy socks (Reply #28)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:04 PM

33. Unarthorized fashion, but where is the conclusion of the nature of said action?

 

No one is claiming theft in the DNC report, and of course this isn't the report - it is an edited report of the report.

If think if they found the nature of it to be theft, we would be seeing less of Trump on ClintonTV

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:24 AM

5. Since that whole campaign is solidly based on lies and deflection and misinformation -

 

it would never occur to them to apologize. The accusation served its purpose - and remember the bullshit "oh, I could never vote for Bernie because of this!" and "This proves Bernie is not trustworthy" - this was all orchestrated, IMO, and a cover-up.

I would not support or vote for Hillary based on actual issues, but this is just another reeking layer.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:25 AM

6. Didn't Sanders apologize for his people stealing the data?

And fire someone who was involved in the theft?

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:27 AM

7. why?

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:30 AM

8. Sanders steals, then sues. Now, Sanders steals and Clinton is supposed to apologize? Lol.

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:27 AM

17. see my post 15, then apologize please.

 

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #17)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:49 AM

30. Sanders stole, then sued, and not spinning.

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #30)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:49 PM

37. Keep saying stole - by all means

 

It was unauthorized use - not illegal use - or at least, that did not come out in the official DNC report of the report to date.

Just keep on keeping on - if you want to conflate the 2, you have just condemned Hillary for her server. Think about it. Is that what you want?

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #37)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:10 PM

40. Took without permission. Stole.

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #40)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:12 PM

42. So, you're condemning Hillary for her private server too? Wow!!!

 

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #42)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:14 PM

43. Lol. Deflect, I tell you. Emails sent to Clinton and she sent emails. No one stole. Sanders stole.

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #43)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:29 PM

47. What don't you get about this?

 

Hillary Rodham Clinton's use of a private email server to conduct government business when she served as secretary of state was a mistake but didn't endanger national security, President Barack Obama said during an interview airing Sunday on CBS's "60 Minutes" in which he touched on other contenders in the 2016 presidential race and Syria.

Obama said public officials have to be more sensitive about how they handle information and personal data. Yet he also said the criticism of Clinton has been "ginned up" because of politics.

"I think she'd be the first to acknowledge that maybe she could have handled the original decision better and the disclosures more quickly," Obama said.

Obama downplayed the threat to national security, and when it was pointed out that his administration has prosecuted people for having classified material on their private computers, the president said he didn't get the impression there was an intent to "hide something or to squirrel away information." He also said he was not initially aware of her use of the private email server.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/10/11/obama-clinton-made-mistake-having-own-email-server.html

So, both Obama and Clinton admit it was a mistake - but not necessarily illegal. Two different things. I hope you agree Hillary didn't steal anything because of an unauthorized use of a server. She had the information, but she didn't use it illegally, right?

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #47)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:52 PM

48. Albright, Rice and Powell admit to the same. For shame, all of them. WTFever.

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #48)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:58 PM

50. Yeah. Exactly. unauthorized use. And in their case, not illegal. done.

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #48)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:16 PM

53. Albright, Rice and Powell did not have their own private server in their homes.

They all used government servers and computers.

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #47)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:53 PM

49. Sanders stole. What do you not get about that. !!!

 

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #37)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:23 PM

45. Stole, stolen, stealed. Took without permission.

Exploited a security weakness. Hacked into. Snuck.

Lost their job because of.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:28 AM

19. yup

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:31 AM

9. Apologize for what?

The truth?

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:47 AM

11. Go read the actual investigation

Sanders' people downloaded Clinton data to four accounts over and hour period.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:54 AM

12. With the revelation that the Sanders staffer fired had been hired based on a DNC recommendation

I suspect the entire thing was a ratfucking set up by Hillary's campaign and the DNC and Mook knew it when he made that comment.

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Response to BernieforPres2016 (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:57 AM

14. Of course it was,dear.nt

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #14)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:34 AM

26. It sure as fuck was.

"Dear"

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #26)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:52 AM

32. In Storybrooke

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #32)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:05 PM

39. If Storybrooke is code for the Real World, then you are correct.

"Dear."

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #39)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 07:22 PM

59. You didn't get the cultural reference. Too bad, dearie.

 

To the jury....."dearie" is part of Storybrooke.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #59)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 07:44 PM

60. I'm not your fucking "dearie."

I have a handle, use it or nothing. Or don't fucking bother talking to me. Am I clear, dearie?

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #60)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:02 PM

61. Lighten up, Francis. That's another cultural reference. nt

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #61)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:48 PM

62. My fucking name isn't Francis.

Piss off jerkwad.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #62)

Sun May 1, 2016, 10:54 AM

63. churlish aren't we? nt

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #63)

Sun May 1, 2016, 11:54 AM

64. Whatcan I say?

I don't like shit-stirring, smug jerkwads.

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Response to BernieforPres2016 (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:29 AM

21. lolz

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Response to BernieforPres2016 (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:48 AM

29. Well, the Sanders staffer went down the wrong path!! YES He DID!

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Response to BernieforPres2016 (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:24 PM

46. Literally lol. If Hillary is that powerful, she'll be a kickass president.

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Response to BernieforPres2016 (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 06:30 PM

57. ^^^^^^^^^^^ Amen! ^^^^^^^^^^^

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:32 AM

24. Sure. "I'm sorry the CrowdStrike report confirmed that you stole our data"...nt

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #24)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:24 PM

35. Can you show me where that is confirmed? There is nothing in the DNC report on the nature of the

 

unauthorized use. It is silent on this issue. Is unauthorized the same as illegal? I don't know. I think it has to do with the use of the information, and no illegal use was found. I think unauthorized use is more of just a booboo. Like, someone could re-quote you here, and if you could prove it was defamation of character, that unauthorized use would then become illegal.

Perhaps the non-answer in the report is to avoid having to apologize for over-the-top claims?

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:38 AM

27. LOL. Sanders camp went into the Hilary data base and now wants an apology. You look more

silly as the days pass when posting your subject line. Shame on you.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:51 AM

31. Weaver and Sanders need to apologize.

 

I can't believe all of the Sanders supporters flat out backing campaign fraud. Seems they have a lot in common with Weaver himself.

Sanders should immediately apologize to Clinton and O'Malley.

Weavers unethical Friday evening press release was more a statement on his character.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:03 PM

51. Sure, let's take Mook's word and Mook's alone, because a one-sided account from a campaign

manager is always the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280188442

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:03 PM

52. I thought Democrats take responsibility

It's usually Republicans who get caught red-handed and demand apologies from others.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:59 PM

56. Red herring, covering for Debbie-gate. nt

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 07:00 PM

58. Dream on

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