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Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:38 AM

 

If there were any doubt, here is Gov./Ambassador Richardson.

Richardson, who unsuccessfully sought the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008, said Hillary Clinton is the pro-business candidate who can win the White House in 2016.

While Sanders has pushed the party to the extreme left, Clinton will bring the message back to the center during the general election, said Richardson. He supported Barack Obama for president in 2008 over the former first lady, who later became Obama's secretary of state.

"Clinton is going to be somebody, I think, the American people see as moderate," Richardson said. "The country moves to the center in a general election."


http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/28/ex-democratic-presidential-candidate-warns-bernie-sanders-to-cool-it.html

We knew all along her parroting Bernie's causes was political theater, and guess what? It worked!!

"the pro-business candidate" - check!
"Clinton will bring the message back to the center" - check!
"moderate" - check!
"moves to the center in a general election" - check!

Funny how we Berners always knew this. She's moving back into the third-way, DLC cocoon. SURPRISE!!! NOT.

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Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2016 OP
stillwaiting Apr 2016 #1
Scuba Apr 2016 #2
lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #6
Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #3
IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #4
Triana Apr 2016 #5
Scuba Apr 2016 #7

Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:08 AM

1. New Democrats believe being "pro-business" is the most important quality to possess.

It didn't use to be this way.

Since it has BECOME this way, the middle classes, working classes, and poor have lost so much ground to the financial elite and multinational corporate bottom lines.

As long as this country continues to have two parties that serve business interests over the interests of average Americans we will stay on the neoliberal Reagan Express and with it the concomitant destruction that always follows in its wake for the masses of people around the world.

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:19 AM

2. Moving towards the center would be moving left for Hillary.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:45 AM

6. She would have to move very far left to get anywhere near the center.

If she wants to pick up moderate independents, she'll have to move left. If she wants to pick up the former Democratic base, she'll have to move very far left.

Of course, that leftward move would suddenly end on Inauguration day anyway.

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:22 AM

4. Are you implying Hillary LIED about being concerned about issues?

 

I am SHOCKED!!!!



The person who was on the Walmart Board definitely understands the needs of business, and they have been very comfortable screwing workers and communities, so he's right - she is going to be great for business.

We used to call business people who screwed workers "corporate whores" but now that is considered sexist and insulting to sex workers. We also used to call them "Republicans" but apparently there are people who really believe Hillary is a Democrat because ALPHABET.

We shall see. It's not over until it's over, and I trust the FBI.

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:40 AM

5. "Sanders has pushed the party to the extreme left" BULLSHIT. There IS no "extreme left" in US

 

Sanders is - by most standards in the world at BEST - slightly left of center. NOT "radical" and NOT "extreme" and NOT "socialist"

Hillary is - by most standards in the world at BEST - slightly right of center - NOT a "Democrat" but rather a mostly-rightwing, MAYBE somewhat moderate REPUBLICAN.

Americans need to get their heads out of their asses, their attitudes out of the bubble and stop listening to these goddamned Koch-funded DLC propagandists like this Richardson asshole.

Take a clue from Noam Chomsky on it:

Bernie Sanders is an extremely interesting phenomenon. Heís a decent, honest person. Thatís pretty unusual in the political system. Maybe there are two of them in the world, you know. But heís considered radical and extremist, which is a pretty interesting characterization, because heís basically a mainstream New Deal Democrat. His positions would not have surprised President Eisenhower, who said, in fact, that anyone who does not accept New Deal programs doesnít belong in the American political system. Thatís now considered very radical.

The other interesting aspect of Sandersís positions is that theyíre quite strongly supported by the general public, and have been for a long time. Thatís true on taxes. Itís true on healthcare. So, take, say, healthcare. His proposal for a national healthcare system, meaning the kind of system that just about every other developed country has, at half the per capita cost of the United States and comparable or better outcomes, thatís considered very radical. But itís been the position of the majority of the American population for a long time. So, you go back, say, to the Reaganóright now, for example, latest polls, about 60 percent of the population favor it. When Obama put through the Affordable Care Act, there was, you recall, a public option. But that was dropped. It was dropped even though it was supported by about almost two-thirds of the population. You go back earlier, say, to the Reagan years, about 70 percent of the population thought that national healthcare should be in the Constitution, because itís such an obvious right. And, in fact, about 40 percent of the population thought it was in the Constitution, again, because itís such an obvious right. The same is true on tax policy and others.

So we have this phenomenon where someone is taking positions that would have been considered pretty mainstream during the Eisenhower years, that are supported by a large part, often a considerable majority, of the population, but heís dismissed as radical and extremist. Thatís an indication of how the spectrum has shifted to the right during the neoliberal period, so far to the right that the contemporary Democrats are pretty much what used to be called moderate Republicans. And the Republicans are just off the spectrum. Theyíre not a legitimate parliamentary party anymore. And Sanders hasóthe significant part ofóhe has pressed the mainstream Democrats a little bit towards the progressive side. You see that in Clintonís statements. But he has mobilized a large number of young people, these young people who are saying, "Look, weíre not going to consent anymore." And if that turns into a continuing, organized, mobilizedómobilized force, that could change the countryómaybe not for this election, but in the longer term.


LINK: http://www.democracynow.org/2016/4/27/noam_chomsky_bernie_sanders_is_not

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Response to Triana (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:41 AM

7. ^^ This ^^

 

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