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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:18 AM

greymouse (872 posts)

Is Hillary competent?

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No. I had a post hidden and some of the jury said I shouldn't have classed Hillary with incompetent people.

I have asked before, what has she accomplished, and all I hear is crickets and general declarations. So I am asking once more. Helping Wall Street and Big Oil snd polluters does not count. Accomplishing something Democratic does.

As Secretary of State, she destroyed the quality of life of millions of people in Libya. She degraded the lives of many in Haiti.

Before that she voted for the Iraq war, which resulted in immense damage to many people.

She failed to get healthcare through in Bill's administration.

She was complicit in that job sucking NAFTA and banking deregulation. They're always saying they're a partnership, right. I take her at her word.

So speak up, folks who support her, what has she actually accomplished?

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Reply Is Hillary competent? (Original post)
 greymouse Apr 2016 OP
LineReply You got a hide for claiming she "got picked" for her female parts.
 sufrommich Apr 2016 #1
LineLineNew Reply Seriously.
 onehandle Apr 2016 #22
LineReply If you are worried about Hillary's competency go vote for someone else.
 leftofcool Apr 2016 #2
LineReply What has she accomplished?
 JaneyVee Apr 2016 #3
LineLineReply I'm not interested in seeing a Hollywood movie.
 PyaarRevolution Apr 2016 #13
LineLineLineReply What does it matter? Any person is allowed throw their hat into the ring.
 JaneyVee Apr 2016 #16
LineReply 2.9 million more votes vs Sanders says yes.
 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #4
LineReply Don't forget
 cannabis_flower Apr 2016 #5
LineReply Lets show people why your post was hidden.
 NCTraveler Apr 2016 #6
LineLineReply Did you see the one about Trump ? Yikes.
 sufrommich Apr 2016 #8
LineLineReply It was a slam dunk
 Bobbie Jo Apr 2016 #10
LineLineReply I wish Eleanor was alive.
 PyaarRevolution Apr 2016 #15
LineLineLineReply It would be a hoot.
 NCTraveler Apr 2016 #19
LineReply It depends.
 deathrind Apr 2016 #7
LineReply The way she behaves on Foreign Policy.
 PyaarRevolution Apr 2016 #9
LineReply You got the hide for some sexist shit. nt
 LexVegas Apr 2016 #11
LineReply Here are a few of her accomplishments, just to get you started:
 Arkansas Granny Apr 2016 #12
LineReply Next you'll complain Berniebros are a myth.
 JaneyVee Apr 2016 #14
LineReply if you are concerned that she couldn't fix healthcare as the first lady
 La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #17
LineReply It's just amazing
 jehop61 Apr 2016 #18
LineReply 1664 to 1371...nt
 SidDithers Apr 2016 #20
LineNew Reply Yes, Mrs. Clinton is competent. Can you read about her? even the wiki has information about healthc
 Sunlei Apr 2016 #21
LineNew Reply Hillary sponsored a bill to make flag burning illegal
 Fumesucker Apr 2016 #23
LineNew Reply If she had zero accomplishments...
 Orsino Apr 2016 #24
LineNew Reply This is some pretty poor trolling. n/t
 JTFrog Apr 2016 #25
LineNew Reply She not only survived what...10hrs of grilling by
 beachbum bob Apr 2016 #26
LineNew Reply She would have refrained from giving $20mill in speeches if she was competent
 Dems to Win Apr 2016 #27
LineNew Reply What has she accomplished? Why, she's bamboozled millions to vote for her despite her record.
 EndElectoral Apr 2016 #28
LineNew Reply I liked what Lt. General Flynn said. He was the former head of the D.I.A. which is the
 pdsimdars Apr 2016 #29
LineNew Reply Locking after a review by forum hosts
 Omaha Steve Apr 2016 #30

Response to greymouse (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:20 AM

sufrommich (22,871 posts)

1. You got a hide for claiming she "got picked" for her female parts.

We can see your transparency page, you know?

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:46 AM

onehandle (51,122 posts)

22. Seriously.

Skinner needs to put the kibosh on divisive BS OPs like this.

Aimed at either candidate.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:22 AM

leftofcool (19,460 posts)

2. If you are worried about Hillary's competency go vote for someone else.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:23 AM

JaneyVee (19,877 posts)

3. What has she accomplished?

 

Besides climbing the ladder from being a little girl in a rural town to becoming the first woman POTUS?

What have you accomplished?

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:32 AM

PyaarRevolution (814 posts)

13. I'm not interested in seeing a Hollywood movie.

Talk about her qualifications. A feel-good story doesn't resonate with me, I'm not like the people Kent Brockman describes when he talks about human interest stories. "Human interest stories, they warm the heart and cloud the mind".
It's great getting to have a woman POTUS but I'd rather have Elizabeth Warren or Cynthia McKinney.

Also, don't act like Bernie breaking the Christian barrier if he becomes President wouldn't be significant. I believe it's only a matter of time a woman becomes President but I don't know about that with a non-Christian, man OR woman. Right now I have that little hope that someone who's a Daoist, Hindu, Confuscian or Muslim could become President any time soon.

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Response to PyaarRevolution (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:36 AM

JaneyVee (19,877 posts)

16. What does it matter? Any person is allowed throw their hat into the ring.

 

Its about ideas and votes. She seems to be winning them.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:23 AM

Star Member uponit7771 (72,226 posts)

4. 2.9 million more votes vs Sanders says yes.

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Response to greymouse (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:23 AM

Star Member cannabis_flower (3,244 posts)

5. Don't forget

Honduras!

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:24 AM

NCTraveler (30,481 posts)

6. Lets show people why your post was hidden.

 

greymouse This message was hidden by Jury decision. Hide

21. Sarah Palin, Fiorina, and Hillary

all picked because they have female parts. Not a competent person in the bunch.

Where have you gone, Ann Richards, Eleanor Roosevelt, and left us with the bottom of the barrel?


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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:26 AM

sufrommich (22,871 posts)

8. Did you see the one about Trump ? Yikes.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:28 AM

Bobbie Jo (14,341 posts)

10. It was a slam dunk

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:33 AM

PyaarRevolution (814 posts)

15. I wish Eleanor was alive.

She'd have some things to say about some of these people in politics and they wouldn't be terribly nice.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:39 AM

NCTraveler (30,481 posts)

19. It would be a hoot.

 

I wish I could remember the name. I watched an excellent piece on the Roosevelt's a couple of weeks ago. They spent a lot of time on Eleanor.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:25 AM

deathrind (1,786 posts)

7. It depends.

On the subject matter...

It does appear that the one common denominator that I have seen repeated is the history making aspect of her candidacy. Her position on issues is not a clear picture except on one and that position is contrary to the platform I have seen articulated by the Democratic Party since being able to vote.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:26 AM

PyaarRevolution (814 posts)

9. The way she behaves on Foreign Policy.

At least in regards to nations except Europe, makes me question her thought process. I truly think she is acting out of reflex in these circumstances instead of logic if her end goal is the welfare of the American people. Acting out of her hawklike nature as a reflex has done us a lot of damage and she needs to stop before she gets us into war with Iran.
I don't mind her being a hawk on North Korea but on Russia or Iran? No, absolutely not! North Korea is crazy and you can't deal with crazy. As far as China stands she should put a LOT more resources in cyberwarfare and defense because China is clearly leading us by the tail on this issue. They're laughing at us right now, I guarantee you.
Keeping the South China Sea free with a joint taskforce of a Korean/American military.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:29 AM

LexVegas (5,113 posts)

11. You got the hide for some sexist shit. nt

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:31 AM

Star Member Arkansas Granny (28,415 posts)

12. Here are a few of her accomplishments, just to get you started:

Laws with Clinton’s name

Clinton was first elected as a senator from New York in 2000 and re-elected in 2006. She resigned to become secretary of state, so her Senate tenure was from January 2001 to January 2009.

Bush’s spokesman sent us a list of three bills Clinton sponsored hat became law. These laws were uncontroversial matters that passed by unanimous consent in the Senate and voice vote in the House and then were signed by President George W. Bush:S. 1241: A bill to establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site in the State of New York. Bush signed the bill Dec. 3, 2004.

S. 3613: A bill to name a post office the "Major George Quamo Post Office Building." Bush signed the bill Oct. 6, 2006.

S. 3145: A bill to designate a highway in New York as the Timothy J. Russert highway. Bush signed the bill July 23, 2008.

But there are other ways that Senators can influence legislation even if they don’t end up as the sponsor of the final version:

Co-sponsored bills: There were 74 bills that became law that Clinton co-sponsored. For example, she was one of 54 cosponsors on the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, signed in January 2009 by President Barack Obama. (The fact that she co-sponsored these bills doesn’t tell us much about her role in their passage, but Bush referred to bills that "she has her name" on, so it’s worth noting those she co-sponsored.)

She co-sponsored one version but another version passed: For example, she co-sponsored S.1, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in January 2009 while the version that passed was H.R. 1.

Sponsored amendments: She put forward amendments that influenced laws sponsored by others. She sponsored three amendments on a bill for security and disaster funding. The amendments passed in 2007 and the bill passed in 2008.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/jun/23/jeb-bush/did-hillary-clinton-have-her-name-only-three-laws-/

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:33 AM

JaneyVee (19,877 posts)

14. Next you'll complain Berniebros are a myth.

 

Ironically, of course.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:37 AM

La Lioness Priyanka (53,866 posts)

17. if you are concerned that she couldn't fix healthcare as the first lady

 

why are you not concerned that with decades in the senate, Bernie couldn't fix healthcare?

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:39 AM

jehop61 (1,735 posts)

18. It's just amazing

how you've given her so much power. You attribute so many world problems to her while she was First Lady, SOS and candidate.

How did she become responsible for pollution? Explain

How did she destroy Libya. That was a UN operation. I seem to remember Kidaffi was starting genocide.

Degraded lives in Haiti? Though that was a massive earthquake.

Voted for Iraq War? So did most of Congress after Bush lied to them and after we suffered a massive attack.

Failed on. Healthcare? Thought the republicans did that in, and she was an unelected, unpaid volunteer trying to help her spouse.

NAFTA was her husband's program. Once again, she was First Lady

So I'm speaking up and saying your arguments are ridiculous. That is all

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:44 AM

Star Member SidDithers (44,029 posts)

20. 1664 to 1371...nt

Sid

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:46 AM

Star Member Sunlei (22,647 posts)

21. Yes, Mrs. Clinton is competent. Can you read about her? even the wiki has information about healthc

even the wiki has information about the 93!! Clinton health care plan and why it didn't 'pass' 20 years ago. You whine like Clinton is some tyrant who acts alone.

Here's the link to the basic wiki. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

Then I suggest you read how our government works and the entire history of Libya and Haiti.

Perhaps you'd be happier with Republican Trump but he was friends with Gaddafi the dead dictator of Libya and even let him vacation on Trumps New York Property.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:50 AM

Fumesucker (45,851 posts)

23. Hillary sponsored a bill to make flag burning illegal

If it had passed that would have been a great leap forward for freedom in a time of attacks from many quarters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Protection_Act_of_2005

The Flag Protection Act of 2005 was a proposed United States federal law introduced by Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Robert Bennett. The law would have outlawed flag burning, and called for a punishment of one year in jail and a fine of $100,000

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:03 PM

Orsino (37,416 posts)

24. If she had zero accomplishments...

...her extremely successful '08 campaign means something. That she has a nigh-insurmountable lead this time around means more.

Millions of Democrats are choosing her over the only remaining competition. Those voters believe she'll do the job. Other than her being over 35 and natural born, nothing is necessary.

I would disagree with the way she's performed duties in the past, but I may be in the minority. Most of the questions we would ask either of the Republican presidents about their competency are inapplicable to Clinton.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:06 PM

JTFrog (14,274 posts)

25. This is some pretty poor trolling. n/t

 

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:16 PM

beachbum bob (10,437 posts)

26. She not only survived what...10hrs of grilling by

 

The house batshit crazy committee on Benghazi but made them look incompetent... I highly doubt sanders could survive 2 hrs of grilling....Hillary has warded off 3 decades of right-wing witch hunts...what has accomplished?.... Why she will be our first female president ..

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:22 PM

Dems to Win (2,161 posts)

27. She would have refrained from giving $20mill in speeches if she was competent

 

Hillary shot the fat middle finger to Occupy Wall Street every time she went through the bank doors.

Now she doesn't understand why young people and people in financial despair don''t want to vote for her. (My Dad, when I asked him why he won't support Hillary, simply said "$250,000 speeches."

It'd be funny, if she wasn't the likely Democratic nominee, supported by almost all Democratic leaders.

She should have had the political smarts to know that these speeches would be toxic in any future campaign. The fact she didn't is one more example of her poor judgement.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:25 PM

EndElectoral (4,213 posts)

28. What has she accomplished? Why, she's bamboozled millions to vote for her despite her record.

If that's not an accomplishment, what is?

She's managed to collect hundreds of thousand of dollars from fat cats for what are called speeches, and yet doesn't owe them anything.

If that's not an accomplishment, what is?

She's managed to convince low informations voters that she's the "adult" and anything proposed to improve their lives is just a "pie in the sky unreality."

If that's not an accomplishment what is?

To me it's not what she has accomplished. My God what accomplishments. To me the question to be asked is can we survive her accomplishments?

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:59 PM

pdsimdars (6,007 posts)

29. I liked what Lt. General Flynn said. He was the former head of the D.I.A. which is the

 

defense department equivalent of the CIA.

After Obama had said, in his interview with Chris Wallace, that Hillary was a bit careless with the emails. Lt. General Flynn said that previously Obama had said Hillary was a bit careless with Libya. He said she was careless with her classified government email, careless with Libya, careless with the Russian reset, and careless with the Pivot to the Pacific. This shows a pattern of poor judgement.

That sums it up for me . . . poor judgement.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:29 PM

Star Member Omaha Steve (76,674 posts)

30. Locking after a review by forum hosts

As DM

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