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stopbush

(24,392 posts)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:35 AM Apr 2016

Slate: Polls Say Sanders More Electable Than Hillary: Don't Believe Them

In recent days, several writers—Sahil Kapur in Bloomberg Politics, David Corn in Mother Jones, Greg Sargent in the Washington Post, Ed Kilgore in New York, and others—have sketched this argument. But is it true? Polls suggest it is. A concerted attack on Sanders’ weaknesses would hurt him badly in a general election. Here’s how it would look.

The problem with current polls that test Sanders against Trump or Cruz is that they don’t capture the effects of the fall campaign. As Harry Enten points out in FiveThirtyEight, early general-election polls in previous cycles were predictively worthless. Early in the 2000 election, for instance, George W. Bush led Al Gore by 12 percentage points. “Bush, then the Texas governor, burst onto the national scene with relatively little negative media scrutiny,” Enten observes. Between December 1999 and November 2000, as the scrutiny intensified, Bush’s net favorability fell 27 percentage points. He ended up losing the popular vote.

Basically, if you were designing the perfect target for Republicans—a candidate who proudly links socialist economics to hippie culture, libertinism, left-wing foreign policy, new-age nonsense, and contempt for bourgeois values—you’d create Bernie Sanders. Clinton could have attacked these weaknesses in the primary—her supporters had an opposition research file on Sanders’ “associations with communism”—but she didn’t. In a general election, Republicans wouldn’t hesitate.

Would a GOP assault along these lines hurt Sanders? Absolutely. Start with his spending plans. Two months ago, an Associated Press-GfK poll asked Americans about Sanders’ proposal to replace “the private health insurance system … with a single government-run and taxpayer-funded plan” that “would cover medical, dental, vision, and long-term care services.” A 39 percent plurality favored the idea. Then the poll asked people whether they’d still support the plan if it meant “your own taxes would increase.” Suddenly, the plurality disappeared: Only 28 percent still favored the plan; 39 percent opposed it. When the poll mentioned that people would have to “give up other coverage like employer coverage” as part of the government-run system, again, 39 percent opposed it, while only 28 percent supported it.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/04/polls_say_bernie_is_more_electable_than_hillary_don_t_believe_them.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top

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Slate: Polls Say Sanders More Electable Than Hillary: Don't Believe Them (Original Post) stopbush Apr 2016 OP
Don't believe polls fullstop. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #1
On the other hand, the polls this primary season have been stopbush Apr 2016 #2
Have they? Bad Dog Apr 2016 #4
Yep after the candidates have been named from each party everything changes uponit7771 Apr 2016 #3
When Hillary is debating Trump on stage it will make the choice obvious. The polls won't matter Happyhippychick Apr 2016 #5

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
1. Don't believe polls fullstop.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:38 AM
Apr 2016

Even if they suit your own candidate. The pollsters were completely wrong in the UK 2015 General Election.

stopbush

(24,392 posts)
2. On the other hand, the polls this primary season have been
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:41 AM
Apr 2016

very accurate in their predictive quality. Outside of the polls in MI - which were inaccurate as they were in large part based on past results, notably the 2008 MI primary which was an outlier and a mess - their predictions have held up.

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
4. Have they?
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:49 AM
Apr 2016

I've seen polls quoted by both Sanders and Clinton camps as proof their candidate is winning.

If they were wrong all the time nobody would pay them attention, the problem is they're a very blunt instrument and unreliable.

Happyhippychick

(8,379 posts)
5. When Hillary is debating Trump on stage it will make the choice obvious. The polls won't matter
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:51 AM
Apr 2016

when it's real and not theoretical.

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