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wyldwolf

(43,865 posts)
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 03:30 PM Apr 2016

Sanders Adviser: Campaign May Have To 'Reevaluate' After Tuesday

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is waging a campaign at a turning point. The New York primary earlier this week was essentially a must win. And he lost.

He's still campaigning as hard as ever, hopping from state to state talking about a rigged economy and a political system ruled by millionaires and billionaires. But the candidate who started out as an underdog and rose to heights few expected has a math problem.

Sanders needs to win all the remaining contests by a 20-point margin to catch up to Clinton in pledged delegates.

Hillary Clinton's lead over Sanders in pledged delegates is more than twice as large as then-Sen. Obama ever had in 2008.

On Tuesday, five more states hold primaries, and polling suggests Clinton is in for another good night. When asked if there would come a point when Sanders tones down his criticisms of the front-runner, as Clinton did late in the 2008 race, Sanders senior campaign adviser Tad Devine said he'd see what happens on Tuesday.

"If we think we have to, you know, take a different way or reevaluate, you know, we'll do it then."

http://www.npr.org/2016/04/23/475326726/sanders-adviser-says-campaign-may-have-to-reevaluate-after-tuesday

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Sanders Adviser: Campaign May Have To 'Reevaluate' After Tuesday (Original Post) wyldwolf Apr 2016 OP
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #1
If he takes another drubbling like he got in NY griffi94 Apr 2016 #2
the very charge of Bernie's "bombastic" rhetoric is exactly how she & her surrogates alienate us cloudythescribbler Apr 2016 #5
Sorry but saying she isn't qualified is bombastic rhetoric griffi94 Apr 2016 #6
a few points in response cloudythescribbler Apr 2016 #7
I'm not worried about the swing states griffi94 Apr 2016 #8
reevaluate if they're going to soak bern bros for more cash? dlwickham Apr 2016 #3
Weaver's group just billed Bernie for over 2.2MM. Life is good. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #4
Any candidate should reevaluate their campaign after any of the primaries mythology Apr 2016 #9

Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

griffi94

(3,731 posts)
2. If he takes another drubbling like he got in NY
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 03:40 PM
Apr 2016

he should re-evaluate.
Maybe not suspend his campaign but start talking about
differences between the Democrats and the Republicans.

Quit talking about Hillary at all.

Dial the bombastic rhetoric back a few levels or else turn it
on the Republicans.

cloudythescribbler

(2,586 posts)
5. the very charge of Bernie's "bombastic" rhetoric is exactly how she & her surrogates alienate us
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 04:30 PM
Apr 2016

I personally plan to vote for the Democratic nominee no matter who wins it. But apparently there are MANY Bernie supporters, even on a specifically Democratic site like this, who may very well not. I suppose many would, if Hillary is the nominee -- hopefully nearly alll those in swing states -- come around to voting effectively against the GOP which in practice means for the Democrat (this year), but some may not, and even more I suspect outside DU than on.

It isn't that folk will vote for Trump or Cruz, but they might not bother voting or some vote third party. This is of particular concern in swing states, where it could make a cumulative difference.

I haven't heard much that I would consider "bombastic" from either Bernie or his major surrogates (NOT including voices on DU etc)

In response to questioning of his qualification, including Hillary herself carefully avoiding saying Bernie WAS qualified when repeatedly asked in one interview, he did (unwisely I think) use the 'unqualified' meme to focus on her record and her major money sources (an issue that is HARDLY bombastic -- and if Hillary is nominated & raises the hundreds of shell corporations in DE that Trump supposedly has or that kind of issue I wouldn't consider that "bombastic" either

But the chorus of surrogates from Howard Dean on down acting as if Bernie is the bombastic one or condescendingly suggesting he should "tone it down" usually without citing specifc supposedly egregious instances, are only hurting the purpose they are supposedly promoting, namely party unity

griffi94

(3,731 posts)
6. Sorry but saying she isn't qualified is bombastic rhetoric
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 04:48 PM
Apr 2016

So was having one of his supporters call
the Democratic Party corporate whores..

The slash and burn tactic of not caring who won the most delegates and insread
sending his suorrogates out to talk about crap like flipping super delegates
and a contested convention.

As for the Bernie supporters who won't vote for Hillary in GE
they weren't ever going to anyway.

In the last 24 hours I've seen 2 different OPs trashing our frontrunner and using
Fox News and the Washington Examiner as sources.

Those weren't credible sources ever.

While I'm confident that the majority of Bernie supporters are good Democrats and will vote
for our candidate in November.
I'm also confident that there is small loud contigent that isn't pro Bernie but rather anti Hillary.

Bernie is getting dominated in big diverse delegate rich states.
Hillary has 3 million more votes than he does.
After Tuesday that lead will most likely be much larger.

The Democrats who voted in the primary to pick our nominee have roundly rejected Bernie.
That's just the reality of the situation.

Bernie needs to tone down the attacks on Hillary and the party as corrupt.

At the very least he should respect the process and accept the fact that his message
didn't resonate with a majority.

Shouting over and over that everybody but him is on the take isn't going to help anybody.

cloudythescribbler

(2,586 posts)
7. a few points in response
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:52 PM
Apr 2016

I suggested that I didn't embrace the 'unqualified' meme, though it was in response to HER PERSONALLY at least implying or insuating that he wasn't qualified, as well as other surrogates from her camp saying so. It had been picked up bigtime in the MSM, all of which you conveniently ignore and act as if it came out of the blue. In CONTEXT, it wasn't exactly bombastic, though it was unwise (don't want to quibble over semantics) -- the point is he also I think walked it back.

The notion that Bernie should just accept that he's a loser is EXACTLY the kind of attitude that will in fact drive MANY Bernie supporters, including some in swing states, not to vote for Hillary if she is the nominee. At the mass level, these many votes, possibly totalling in the millions (of people who vote for Bernie but for some reason or another never vote for Hillary), are indeed in large part QUITE winnable or loseable, not like passionate arguers on DU. (And I would sense there is a substantial but proportionately smaller proportional of people, less harshly vocal mainly, on DU who might vote Hillary and might not if she is nominated.

You focus EXCLUSIVELY on what you don't like hearing from Bernie partisans (what's on DU is largely irrelevant really as it isn't received by mass public), but don't acknowledge much from Hillary and her surrogates

The chorus of voices (eg Howard Dean) and others, including down to the grassroots, as here, is horrendously condescending in approach and won't possibly win over ANY recalcitrant Bernie supporters

I would add that in the spirit of 99% of Bernie's campaigning, I have never on DU or elsewhere seen fit to paint Hillary as corrupt (although there surely are forces obstructing voting in AZ and NY that are). But I don't see that as her doing, specifically. There is a LOT to address about the party elite, especially the likes of Debbie Wasserman Schultz though not exclusively her at all -- she's just an especially visible example.z

Bernie is NOT being extreme or bombastic in trying to win over superdelegates! My gosh -- ANYTHING qualifies as over the top.

I suspect that if somehow Hillary gets the nomination & then does lose, Bernie supporters who DIDN'T back her, like Nader voters in 2000 (I personally am neither) will be blamed first and foremost

griffi94

(3,731 posts)
8. I'm not worried about the swing states
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:10 PM
Apr 2016

Ohio and Florida where Hillary won by huge margins.
Also with Hillary NC and VA are on the table.

DU isn't a good example of real life anyway.
People here are partisan political junkies.

Most on the rest of the population has barely even noticed it's an election year.

Bernie isn't going to flip any supers.
Most of the supers are long time active leaders in the party.
Bernie's only been a Democrat a few months.

Super delegates are to keep impulse voters or other nefarious groups from
interferring in out primary.

After Tuesday the delegate count will be out of his reach.
If he wants to stay in the race til the convention then I think that's great.
He should start talking about the differences between the Democrats and the GOP.

Maybe lay off the "Both parties are corrupt" theme

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
9. Any candidate should reevaluate their campaign after any of the primaries
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:15 PM
Apr 2016

Where did they do well, where do they need to improve on, what does the delegate allocation mean for where they need to go.

I don't think Sanders should feel any pressure to exit the race. He's done really well, he's getting his supporters excited and hopefully engaged for other races. Clinton didn't drop out until after the last primaries in 2008 and it didn't harm Obama in the general election.

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