Stupidest Political Move of the Century

[Skwmom]

Dissing the honest guy who is not for sale and railing at him for not being a Democrat

while embracing and holding up as the "real Democrat" the person who they are defining as corrupt.

I bow down before your political genius.

[Joob]

1. In fact, all it pointed out, was that if he's not Democrat

Then the people who support him aren't....

[Buzz Clik]

4. Not necessarily, as shown by his numbers in closed primaries.

But, a huge number of his supporters are not Democrats.

[AgingAmerican]

7. Which makes him the better candidate in the general

[Buzz Clik]

9. No. He must win the primary to even be a candidate in the general.

duh

[AgingAmerican]

21. He is the better candidate in the general

Because he would bring in Independent and GOP voters that would NEVER vote for Clinton.

She attracts zero GOP or Independent voters AND is losing thousands of potential Democratic voters every day.

[rhett o rick]

12. A huge number of his supporters would be Democrats if the Party wasn't owned at the top by the

Wealthy. You may revere the Wealthy, but many of us recognize that they are the ones stealing the money necessary for our safety nets. So let me guess, which do you think is more important, the profits of the wealthy or helping the 2.5 million American children living on the streets.

[Buzz Clik]

14. Let's count the misstatements, shall we?

1. The Party is owned at the top by the wealthy.
2. You may revere the wealthy
3. "the ones stealing the money" tsk tsk

Not bad, though. I have seen much worse.

[rhett o rick]

16. So you don't think that Big Money has undo influence in the Democratic Party Elite?

They don't give the Clinton Family $150,000,000 with out expecting quid pro quo.

There are clearly two sides to the class war the wealthy 1%, Goldman-Sachs, The Clinton family are on one side.

The 50,000,000 Americans living in poverty are on the other side. Don't tell me you think that a Goldman-Sachs run presidency will help the poor. If the poor get any help it will be from the 99% under a Clinton / Goldman-Sachs presidency.

For the last 30 years the wealth of the Wealthy 1% have tripled while those living in the 99% have struggled to stay even. That's due to laws written by politicians in the pockets of the Wealthy.

But none of this matters I guess. A Wealthy Clinton Aristocracy is more important than helping those among us struggling.

[Armstead]

27. It is owned by the wealthy -- Just one of many examples

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511812440

Dick Gephardts Spectacular Sellout

http://www.thenation.com/article/dick-gephardts-spectacular-sellout/

.....Within hours, Cummings’s office had received a phone call from a lobbying firm hired by Goldman Sachs, making an “insistent but polite” request for a meeting. Cummings, intending to send the letter regardless, granted the audience, and so it was that top Goldman executives like president Gary Cohn and CFO David Viniar arrived the next day. They brought someone else too, a big-name Democratic politician with serious populist credibility: Dick Gephardt.

While Gephardt spent most of his twenty-eight years in national Democratic politics quietly promoting and voting with establishment interests, he is best known for his friendship with labor and advocacy for universal healthcare during two presidential runs. In 2003 he harshly condemned corporate crime, which he said “ruined people’s lives for selfishness and greed,” .....So why, six years later, was he on Capitol Hill representing one of the biggest players in the largest economic crisis since the Great Depression? And further, why was he recently working for Visa to kill credit card reform, helping Peabody Energy stymie climate change legislation and consulting for UnitedHealth Group alongside Tom Daschle to block meaningful healthcare reform?

As autumn sets in, the progressive agenda on which Barack Obama rode to victory last November has stalled, even with Democrats controlling every branch of government. Key aspects of healthcare reform, like a public option, appear dead; climate change legislation, having narrowly passed the House in June, awaits an uncertain fate in the Senate; the Employee Free Choice Act and financial industry reforms have gone off the grid. Behind all these setbacks is a pattern: with little outright opposition, corporate interests have insinuated themselves into the legislative process to co-opt attempts at reform. As a result, the big-ticket items are rotting away, key provisions have been removed and bills are being weakened beyond recognition behind closed doors.


Certainly there are still those in Congress willing to stand up to pressure from lobbyists–like Cummings, who, after meeting with Gephardt and the Goldman Sachs executives, sent his letter anyway, launching an investigation by TARP inspector general Neil Barofsky. But the broader momentum is with the corporate interests, thanks to players like Gephardt who have escorted them to the bargaining table. In a town where everyone seemingly has a price, Gephardt has distinguished himself, selling his reputation as a pro-labor, pro-universal healthcare, pro-environment expert and advocate to his new corporate masters, giving their efforts to kill and maim reforms a familiar, friendly face in the Democratic establishment. As a result, Gephardt has become a highly sought-after and very effective lobbyist. He has also betrayed nearly every principle he once claimed to hold.....

[Armstead]

25. She's not so popular in the larger universe of people who are not...

blind Democratic partisans and Clinton loyalists

[Skwmom]

5. Good way to piss off lifelong Democrats that support Bernie.

[Buddyblazon]

15. That's me.

My first vote for a democrat was in 2nd grade when I voted for Carter in our school mock election.

I've been a fan of Bernies since probably '05-'06. In fact, I learned about Bernie from DU. Ten years ago not a single DUer had a bad word to say about Bernie. Not one. We all loved him.

It's amazing that all he had to do was run for the nomination and all of a sudden, a small vocal boatload of DUers suddenly hated him. Visceral hatred...and then they hated any of us that didn't waiver from our admiration of Bernie.

Well being called names...being told I'm stupid...mocked...yeah...my vote is my vote. My vote will be a write in for Bernie. And no...if Trump or Cruz win....that's not on me. That's on her supporters. If somebody other than the Democratic Party nominee wins, its because her supporters lack
foresight.

[AgingAmerican]

24. One symptom of right wing thinking is the lack of foresight

when it comes to the consequences of their actions

[Joob]

8. Yep, and directly points out a split in the party if they think his values

are not Democratic

[Betty Karlson]

31. If Bernie is not a Democrat after defending Democratic positions for a lifetime,

then let's throw DINO-Debbie out of the party for defending republican ones.

[Buzz Clik]

2. Laughing as you scurry through the tunnel. The light, by the way...

... is the oncoming train.

[JoePhilly]

3. Said the losing side.

[Hiraeth]

39. what is this? sandlot baseball? sheesh. how third grade of you.

[Sheepshank]

6. of the Century?

of all the would have, could have should have...nothing set in stone for Bernie, you are making this assumption? Crack a history book.

[SidDithers]

10. Hiring Tad Devine as your campaign advisor...nt

Sid

[Renew Deal]

11. Is the honest guy Obama and the "real Democrat" Bernie?

[pdsimdars]

13. And WHO is the REAL Demcrat. Judge them by their works folks.

DUH!!!!!

[shalafi]

17. The rest are grifters

without the Independents, Clinton does not stand a chance of defeating Trump, Cruz or Kasich.

Clinton already has an handicap to begin with: 33% of the Democrats are not voting for her. Where is she getting the rest of the support?

[Skwmom]

19. Don't worry. She is getting ready to shed the progressive lablel. n/t

[Major Hogwash]

22. She disavowed being a progressive last year.

But they hate it whenever we point that out.

[Onlooker]

35. That chart is filled with lies and distortions, especially on gay rights

Hillary was the first first lady to march in a gay pride parade, as first fought successfully against Congress' attempts to block gays from adopting children, and the Clintons did an enormous amount for gays: granted asylum to gays oppressed in other countries, barred government discrimination and gays and people with AIDS, dramatically increased AIDS funding, appointed openly gay people to over 150 positions (including an ambassadorship), and Bill was first President to speak of gay rights in a state of the union address.

But, I will credit the Sanders campaign for fooling his followers so well. Isn't it funny that Sanders biggest accomplishment with regard to gays was voting against DOMA? You won't find a public statement from him at that time as to why he voted against it, other than an indication that he would have supported it if it left marriage up to the states (the position Ted Cruz has today). So, in all his years in Congress Sanders has done NOTHING for gay rights, never even introduced a failed piece of legislation, so his biggest accomplishment was his failure to stop DOMA!

Of course Bill supported DOMA (which Republicans voted on 5 weeks before the election forcing most Democrats in swing district to support it), but Bill also did something for gays.

SANDERS DID NOTHING!!!! (And, even on gay marriage, he only spoke publicly in favor of it AFTER the Vermont Legislature made gay marriage legal.)

[wilsonbooks]

18. One of the Republicans that I work with said today,

That while he disagrees with Bernie on a lot of issues that Bernie is the only honest politician running.

[Skwmom]

20. Trump defining her as Corrupt Hillary should do wonders for down ticket races. n/t

[MFM008]

26. Trump? Yeah because

ALL of us care what that turd thinks about anything. I cant wait to see that concession speech.

[Skwmom]

28. Trump is fake as hell, but he has done a good job of making his nicknames stick.

[seabeyond]

23. He has shown us he is far from honest and he isn't a Democrat and doesn't act like one. We have

never had a candidate behave so poorly, because Democrats do not behave like that. Something I have always been proud of. And Sanders corrupt smear is just the beginning of making my point.

[Skwmom]

29. I suggest you do some research.

[Lil Missy]

30. not such a stupid move. It's working. n/t

[DrDan]

32. "stupidest"? who's winning?

seems to me a far more stupid move is ignoring the facts on the ground

[uponit7771]

33. NRA help him in his early campaigns and then he gives gun companies immunity = for sale just

... for different things.

That's the disconnect SBS voters don't want to address...

Reality doesn't suck

[Onlooker]

34. Bernie's probably lost, so apparently stupid works n/t

[Orsino]

36. It's not stupid.

But there is an element of corruption implicit in the concentration of vast wealth in the hands of the very few. I would hope that everyone who signs on is going in with eyes open.

Sanders' agenda is closer to what we need, and our need grows more urgent every year.

[LWolf]

37. Yep.

[Califonz]

38. Hard to beat "McCain picks Palin for VP" as the stupidest move

But it seems Camp Weathervane outdid itself.

[LadyHawkAZ]

40. I hate to disagree but...

It's not, really. Propaganda works.

Look around. There's people that have drunk that particular Kool Aid and genuinely believe it.

That's also why Trump has a following, Palin has a following, Limbaugh has a following. It's a lot of things, but it's rarely a bad move.

"Besides, as the vilest Writer has his Readers, so the greatest Liar has his Believers; and it often happens, that if a Lie be believ’d only for an Hour, it has done its Work, and there is no farther occasion for it. Falsehood flies, and the Truth comes limping after it; so that when Men come to be undeceiv’d, it is too late; the Jest is over, and the Tale has had its Effect…" ~Jonathan Swift