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Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:46 PM

 

Sanders Returns: "It's Not Just About Me," Clinton Will Have To Change Her Platform To Earn My Suppo

Sanders Returns: "It's Not Just About Me," Clinton Will Have To Change Her Platform To Earn My Support

By Tim Hains
Posted on April 22, 2016


In his first interview since losing the New York primary to Hillary Clinton, Sen. Bernie Sanders sets the record straight about calls for him to drop out of the race or "tone down" his rhetoric. First, he will continue fighting until the convention no matter what. Second, if he is going to endorse Hillary at any point down the road, she will have to adopt significant portions of his platform.

"It is not just about me, it has never just been about me," Sanders told MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell Thursday.

"Well, first of all, I 've got to find out what her platform is," Sanders said about the possibility of an endorsement. "What the views are that she is going to be bringing forth, to what degree she will adopt many of the ideas that I think are extremely popular and I think very sensible."

"It is a two-way street. I want to see the Democratic party have the courage to stand up to big money interests in a way that they have not in the past, take on the drug companies, take on Wall Street, take on the fossil fuel industry, and I want to see them come up with ideas that really do excite working families and young people in this country," Sanders said....

Read more. (Video of interview at link):
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/04/22/sanders_returns_its_not_just_about_me_clinton_will_have_to_change_her_platform_to_earn_my_support.html


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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:48 PM

1. "It is not just about me, it has never just been about me,"

Perhaps one of the most dishonest statement of the campaign thus far.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:49 PM

4. Exactly.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:49 PM

5. LOL. OK.

 

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Response to think (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:08 PM

162. Clinton cannot agree to his platform, its barred by trade treaty

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Response to Baobab (Reply #162)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:55 AM

218. Was that "Trade Treaty" approved by 3/4 of the Senate? IF not it is not a treaty.

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Response to Vincardog (Reply #218)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:42 AM

220. "World Trade Organization"

1994 + URAA + WTO

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Response to Baobab (Reply #220)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 03:25 PM

222. Would that be harder or easier to get out of than the Geneva Conventions W abrogated?

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Response to salinsky (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:55 PM

12. LOL!....Bernie, the candidate of 'US and WE' versus Hillary, the candidate of 'ME and I'....

 

Check the charts and tell us how far away is Hillary from breaking even Trump's own record for 'untrustworthy and dishonesty'?.......


She's swims in it.........both Clintons do!


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Response to Segami (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:56 PM

17. No. Another invention. We're not buying and not debating the pure fabrications.

 

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #17)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:14 PM

132. OK. Since neither side is likely to convince the other.... nt

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #17)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:47 PM

207. It's not a fabrication

but it is slightly incorrect. Hillary beats Trump in this category

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Response to Mnpaul (Reply #207)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 11:03 PM

209. When you have repukes reiterating this dishonesty bs with benghazi hearings

and the like, people believe it. I'm for Bernie but think Hillary will be a great president. End the rancor bc she's far better than any repug clown running. We don't need one in the WH.

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Response to Segami (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:24 PM

46. Yes. And thanks for all your posts Segami.

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Response to Segami (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:07 PM

160. Now that I have read Bernies interview...

I would say he is untrustworthy and spiteful.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:56 PM

15. I don't think it started out that way.

 

He struck me as genuinely sincere in look for change. His concepts were out there, but I was not faulting him for his idealism.

However, I think he was swept up by the huge, adoring crowds -- the kind of reception he NEVER saw in Vermont.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #15)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:17 PM

133. Oh please.

I've been listening to him on Thom Hartmann for years. He seems the same to me.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:58 PM

19. You have no clue

 

If it were "all about me," Sanders would have pandered and toned down and "shaped his mesage."

Pandering and "me,me,me" is Clinton's sperciality

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Response to Armstead (Reply #19)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:21 PM

44. You want to talk about message? ...

... Bernie is running on a campaign of promises that don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of being enacted, and he's simultaneously refusing to help down ballot candidates that might make his agenda slightly less outlandish.

If it's not all about him, what's that all about?

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Response to salinsky (Reply #44)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:45 PM

67. so vote for the one that can get something passed, even

 

If that something will only benefit the rich and take our country down yet another notch? If that something will harm human while benefitting those keeping it the same? No thanks. I'll stick with Sanders.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #44)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:19 PM

85. I donated to other Democratic candidates because Bernie's campaign sent an email asking me to. n/t

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Response to femmedem (Reply #85)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:19 PM

134. There you go.

And lots of us are doing so even without being asked.

But I will pick. I ain't giving DWS any of it.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #44)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:26 PM

176. I would rather have an outspoken advocate for these issues;

my issues, and the Traditional Issues of the Democratic Party in the White House
instead of the [font size=3]NO. WE. Can't!!![/font] (do what every other developed country has done) candidate in the White House. THAT will guarantee no progress.
Bernie may not be able to get everything he has in his platform passed this year or next, but he and his supporters are in this for the long, righteous fight, and when Bernie passes, the torch WILL be picked up by another...and another...and another,
because that is the RIGHT thing to do.

Your objections ensure that NOTHING will get done in making this a more equitable society.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #44)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:47 PM

185. Then by all means, please vote for more of the same. It's been so great!

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Response to salinsky (Reply #44)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:20 AM

211. The only thing he promised is to try.

 

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Response to salinsky (Reply #44)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 03:56 PM

224. He's doing no such thing.

 

He is helping down-ballot candidates the will make his agenda more achievable.

What he's not doing is helping "Democrats" that want to continue to work against Democratic ideals and make that agenda less achievable. If I were in his shoes, I wouldn't be working against my own platform by raising money for the DNC headed by Debbie Downer either so they can give it to corporatist Democrats like the ones DWS works to recruit to run in primaries against progressives.

What you're criticizing him for is, frankly, not being insane. That seems like a disingenuous and ridiculous thing to criticize him for.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #19)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:00 PM

71. +1 Exactly

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Response to salinsky (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:02 PM

25. Member since: Tue Mar 1, 2016, 04:10 PM = Welcome to Ignore.

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Response to Hiraeth (Reply #25)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:18 PM

38. For the second time ....



What is it about these people who so proudly announce that they're putting you on ignore.

Am I supposed to be wounded?

Because if I am, you must be doing it wrong.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #38)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:30 PM

53. Lots of passive-aggressive here

The number of "off to ignore" announcements has increased significantly of late.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #53)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:56 PM

123. Hey, cheer up, Dem2

 

I didn't even put you on ignore after you slammed me with some particularly nasty, gratuitous personal insults a few weeks ago.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #38)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:10 PM

124. No one expects you to stop

what you are doing in public. They just don's want to watch.

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Response to Fairgo (Reply #124)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:32 PM

177. My mother taught me to Look Away when someone is making a fool of themselves in public.

Putting someone on IGNORE is a lot like that.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #177)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:44 PM

181. exactly

The gentlest social rebuke for (non-violent) public displays of ignorance is to ignore. You can't fix it, but don't feed it.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #38)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:37 PM

129. IT's jsut a juvenile debating tactic

 

The poster who ignored you is still a fresher to me, but I don't really care about account ages, only content. Calling you out for your recent membership is just a bully tactic designed to make yo feel small without addressing your argument. It's quite ironic that it's so popular with some people, considering all the fuss made about how New York should have open primaries and that the minimum period between registering as a Democrat and voting in a Democratic primary is waaaay too long. Same day registration is a good thing, but apparently you need to be on DU for some mysterious minimum period before you're allowed to express opinions.

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Response to anigbrowl (Reply #129)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:41 PM

204. So very different but

 

thanks for trying the false equivalency meme.

No we are calling out low post counters who arrived in the last month who post nothing but Clinton talking points. They have zero identity outside of that. You will not see them in the Lounge discussing the latest episode of Walking Dead, or exchanging cooking recipes. They don't comment on the death of Prince but are usually the first ones to reply to any Sanders supporters' threads.

We know David Brock hires such astro-turfers. We are not idiots.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #204)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:59 PM

208. Not really

 

I'm sure you think every Sanders poster is sincere and has nothing to do with the campaign whatsoever. I put no store by post count or participation in the lounge or whatever, I've probably made 2 lounge posts in the last 8 years and I can't remember the last time I even read anything in there. Some of us are focused on particular issues or candidates and only come to DU for that. And no, I'm not affiliated with any campaigns, PACs, or whatnot.

One useful life lesson I've learned as I've got older is that trying to strategize based on other people's motivations is a total waste of time. I can't see inside people's heads and my models of why they act one way or the other are unlikely to be well-grounded. It's much more productive to address the substance of what you disagree with than to to start inventing stories about why people act the way they do.

That's why you'll never see me calling out some low-post-count Bernie supporter even though there are plenty of them about; I don't know whether they're motivated by enthusiasm, cynicism, or campaign $ and absent evidence it's as waste of my valuable time to speculate on which it might be.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #204)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:29 AM

213. A swing and a miss ...

... you obviously didn't look at my profile.

Try again.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #213)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 03:16 PM

221. Just because you say you support

 

Sanders does not mean you are not an operative.

It does happen. You realize that right?

I judge low post counts based on this information from both types of supporters given Brock. Just reflect on that, and then realize why some of us are suspicious. It is nothing personal.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #221)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 03:28 PM

223. I never said I support Sanders ...

... I support Hillary, but will gladly support, contribute to, and campaign for Sanders should he become the nominee.

I will say that I've been shocked and disappointed by the behavior of many of his supporters since I joined DU.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #223)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 03:57 PM

225. Well then we were correct?

 

So hard to tell with y'all Clinton supporters.

You are shocked? You are disappointed? I am not. Clinton and her supporters are atrocious.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #225)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 04:44 PM

227. Correct about what?

That I'm a "David Brock astro turfer".

Ummm ... no.

And, yes the Bernie or Busters absolutely appall me.

I've yet to find a single Hillary supporter who claims they will refuse to support Bernie should he get the nomination.

Bernie or Busters are not real Democrats.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #227)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 06:58 PM

228. Who said we were all Democrats?

 

Unlike neoliberal Clinton, Sanders has actually brought back independent leftists to the Democratic Party. If he is not the nominee, Clinton in now way, shape, or form represents leftist progressive positions.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #228)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:47 AM

229. Thanks for confirming my suspicions ...

... many of Sanders' supporters are not really Democrats.

So, when Hillary wraps this up, you can go back to flushing your votes down the toilet or sitting on your thumbs.

No real loss.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #229)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 07:54 PM

232. You act like it is some sort of secret thing.

 

Dude, the percentage of leftist registered as Democrats has hit an all time low of 25 - 30%. The number of independent leftists has now risen to that number.

Y'all can work with us or shun us. If you do the later, it is at your own peril because there is no winning without a majority of leftists voting.

None of my votes have ever been 'toilet flushers', nor have I ever sat on my thumbs. And yes, my short-sighted friend, it is a real loss, a really big loss, if we don't vote for Clinton.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #232)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:09 PM

233. So, what're you gonna do? Vote for Trump?

If you answer yes, you're one of two things.

Neither is pretty.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #233)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:11 PM

234. Why in the fuck would I vote for Trump?

 

I am a leftist. Last I looked he was running as a Republican. Now, he will probably pivot to Hillary's left and gain some of the moderate center right independents that might have gone for her, but I will vote Green.

Y'all are stuck in grade school thinking, and that ain't pretty either.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #234)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:13 PM

235. That would put you firmly in the toilet flushing category ...

... knock yourself out.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #235)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:18 PM

236. No, kid, it does not.

 

Stop acting like a child, educate yourself on US electoral politics and our party system, and quit whining because your candidate sucks and has lost the support of a significant enough percentage of the left (party members or not!) to actually lose in November.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #236)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:27 PM

237. Pfffft ...

... what has your Green Party votes gotten you?

Flush.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #237)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:37 PM

238. Yes, you are

 

acting like a child.

In the real world, mature adults respect the axiom, one person, one vote. We respect it is an individual choice that reflect many sundry things. Parties are merely conduits for group expression of an individual right.

I might disagree with your choice. I may think it is even a foolish one. But I respect your individual adult choice to make it. You do not respect mine. That is obvious. That is why you may be dismissed as a petty child instead.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #238)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:10 PM

239. Dude, I don't care who you vote for ...

... I just don't.

Flush it, sit on your thumbs, or even vote Trump.

I don't care because none of those things are gonna matter.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #239)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:11 PM

240. You obviously care way too much

 

given your incessant postings here about it.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #38)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:12 PM

167. We just look at your start date and number of posts

 

and draw conclusions for it.


We said we wouldn't donate to h's team. And we feel we are doing it when we reply to you.
So this is my last nickle to you all.

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Response to Hiraeth (Reply #25)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:56 PM

70. Consider the name: "salinsky". A very popular online username among a certain set of voters.

 


They think such things help them fit in because they believe their own propaganda about us.


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Response to ieoeja (Reply #70)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:52 PM

206. timing is everything.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:15 PM

35. Are you kidding? He didn't want to run for president and waited for a long time to see if

 

another progressive would run. I appears to have tried to goad Elizabeth Warren into running, and had she run the same people would have turned out for her, but going up against the Clinton political machine might have ruined her political career. And, honestly, I don't think Warren or Sanders want to be president.

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Response to Blue Meany (Reply #35)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:26 PM

49. Warren is not running because she has an important agenda that is better served ...

... being pushed legislatively in the Senate.

Sanders is running because it's all about him, and the only thing he was doing in the Senate was pushing the same old sad trombone legislation year after year after year that no one even bothered looking at anymore.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #49)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:01 PM

73. You have no clue why Warren isn't running. Please stop pretending to read minds.

Sanders did far better with bills and amendments he wrote than Hillary did.

Please find a fact somewhere.

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Response to merrily (Reply #73)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:09 PM

78. Warren said that was why she wasn't running. Do you disbelieve her?

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Response to Squinch (Reply #78)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:11 PM

79. Link, please.

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Response to merrily (Reply #79)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:17 PM

83. You can look it up. Google "Elizabeth Warren statement not running"

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Response to Squinch (Reply #83)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:27 PM

89. Um, I did that before I asked for a link. Your turn.

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Response to merrily (Reply #89)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:44 PM

96. Here are two of the many statements I found that essentially say the same thing. But anyway,

why are you making a fight out of that simple statement the poster made?


Appearing on NBCs TODAY, Warren was asked three times and ruled out a run each time, despite a progressive movement to draft her into the race.

Im not running and Im not going to run, she said. Im in Washington. Ive got this really great job and a chance to make a difference on things that really matter.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/elizabeth-warren-gives-strongest-denial-presidential-run-yet#51859

Warren played down her challenge to the Senate Democratic leadership (of which she is now a part) and vowed she would continue to fight Wall Street. I am glad to be in leadership, I am grateful to have a place at the table, but my priorities havent changed, she said. Im gonna stand up and fight for what I believe in.

https://usatelections.wordpress.com/2014/12/15/elizabeth-warren-president-npr/

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Response to Squinch (Reply #96)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:48 PM

98. I would have ended it with the one and only reply I made to the poster, if you had not chimed in.

Why did you find it necessary to chime in?

As for the quotes, all you've shown is that, when asked why she was not running for POTUS, she made some phatic comments. There is no there there.

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Response to merrily (Reply #98)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:50 PM

99. OK, merrily. Whatever.

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Response to merrily (Reply #98)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:21 PM

107. Im not running and Im not going to run, she said. Im in Washington. Ive got this really ...

... great job and a chance to make a difference on things that really matter.

There's nothing "phatic" about that statement.

In fact, it's just about exactly what I said.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #107)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:25 PM

108. It is phatic. She had to say something. Do you think everyone who asks "How are you doing?" really

wants a half hour description of your aches and pains? No, so you say "Pretty good, thanks" and move on. That is the equivalent of what she answered.

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Response to merrily (Reply #108)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:31 PM

110. Let's review ...

I wrote, "Warren is not running because she has an important agenda that is better served being pushed legislatively in the Senate."

Her actual statement was, "Im not running and Im not going to run. Im in Washington. Ive got this really great job and a chance to make a difference on things that really matter.

These comments are essentially the same, no?

So, what's the deal?

Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?



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Response to salinsky (Reply #110)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:36 PM

112. I stated my position, which is different from yours. That is no different from what you are

doing. Some Hillary supporters seem to have double standards,crystal balls and mindreading powers, yet no mirrors, bless their hearts.

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Response to merrily (Reply #112)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:43 PM

114. "I stated my position, which is different from yours." ...

... that is correct.

Yours is wrong.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #49)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:22 PM

137. And you think this post will help your candidate (I'm assuming HRC)

with Bernie supporters how? Or is this reverse psychology?

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Response to salinsky (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:20 PM

42. +1,000! nt

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Response to salinsky (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:07 PM

77. Brings to mind:

When they say "it's not about the money..."

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Response to salinsky (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:21 PM

86. It never has been just about him.

 

Its always been about whats best for the American people.

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Response to liberalnarb (Reply #86)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:16 PM

125. And Bernie knows what's best for the American people,

even if they choose Hillary's "platform" over his.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:33 PM

94. Yass.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:10 PM

105. Clinton people dont understand this because it does not compute.

 

Clintons campaign has always been about her and nothing else. Her supporters want it that way... Her identity is everything - her policy goals (to the extent they are real and not crafted on the fly... Or in fact not those considered personal secrets) are immaterial.

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #105)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:47 PM

118. +++

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #105)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:07 PM

194. Yup, with that evil Hillary it's all about her

 

That's why she's crossing the country to raise funds for all Democratic candidates while Sanders is limiting his "sort of fund raising" to the three Congressional candidates who have endorsed him.

[link:http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/bernie-sanders-progressives-fundraising-221887|

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Response to annavictorious (Reply #194)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:15 PM

198. Welcome to DU. I trust you've enjoyed your first month?

 

Can you find me the transcripts of a speech in which she uses the words "Me" or "I", less than thirty times?

The funds she "raises for all democratic candidates" - which aren't subject to campaign finance laws that the campaign is, oddly find their way into fundraising efforts to the Clinton campaign.

https://berniesanders.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Bernie-2016-Letter-to-DNC-1.pdf

That downticket fundaising? That's all about her too. She supports the party only to the extent and for the purpose of acquiring the crown.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:45 PM

116. #I'mWithHER

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Response to salinsky (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:46 PM

117. By what measure? Another slime if you can't come up with evidence of dishonesty?

You can think him dishonest but that doesn't make him dishonest. Proof please.

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Response to snowy owl (Reply #117)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:51 PM

121. He's being dishonest about his whole agenda ...

... he's not stupid.

He knows there's not a snowball's chance in hell that he can fulfill those promises.

And, then when given the chance to support down ballot candidates who could make his proposals slightly less preposterous, he balks.

Dishonest again.

Claiming that he has a path to victory - dishonest again.

And, now he claims it's not all about him.

What's this about then?

What a phony.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #121)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:25 PM

138. Well, as things stand presently,

Hillary doesn't stand a snowball's chance either, because she won't even try.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:47 PM

119. #Yourewithher

 

#Heswithus

Big difference.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:57 PM

152. It has never been about him, and the proof is if he wanted to profit off of

his political position, he would have.

He has not and will not.

He will also support Hillary, if he loses, and that is a guarantee.

p.s. Most Bernie supporters around here piss me off, but your comment is equally pissing me off.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:06 PM

158. So Bernie plans to bring down the Democratic party and let the GOP win

He is a selfish, spoiled and selfish man. Now that Dems know his true character, hopefully he will lose big...Bernie...word to the wise, your platform lost the primary.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #158)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:26 AM

212. Bring down the Democratic Party? No, that's Debbie's job ...

 

Her record ...

Lost a bunch of House seats, the Senate and 12 Governors and over 900 state seats while Chair of the DNC
Supported Republicans over Democrats in two Florida districts
Conceded entire districts to the Louis Gohmerts and Joni Ernsts of this world by abandoning the 50-state strategy
Supported a Republican retread for the Florida Democratic Party Gubernatorial candidate (he lost to Rick Scott, again)
Undermined President Obama's treaty with Iran
Shilled for the private prison industry
Shilled for the booze industry
Shilled for the payday loan industry
Blamed the voters for her failures

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #158)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 03:46 PM

231. Did you forget to add...

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:48 PM

2. I just find it hard to believe that Bernie would believe anything Hillary says, at this point.

 

I know I don't.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:50 PM

8. Me either, she'll say anything to win. nt

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Response to djean111 (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:18 PM

37. She would have to do more than adopt specific aspects of his platform to convince me

 

And even then I would be suspicious.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:20 PM

43. I don't think he does

but he can't say that. So this is his way of saying "Hillary is full of it and unless she changes her views, she is not getting my support".

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Response to dana_b (Reply #43)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:27 PM

139. Well, yeah, but

can you trust what she says to match what she does? How much would she feel obligated by a platform?

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Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #139)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:17 PM

171. Oh I agree and

maybe Bernie does too but he cant say that. He's the most honest person that I've seen in politics yet he still can't say the complete truth.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:47 PM

183. Well, Bernie stated that he would support Hillary if he only knew what she stood for.

I think that is sufficient evidence that Camp Weathervane has taken so many positions on almost all of the issues that even Bernie doesn't know #WhichHillary is running for the White House this time.



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Response to djean111 (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:32 AM

214. Yeah changing her platform won't help, not when you're known as a liar.

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Response to Joob (Reply #214)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:49 PM

241. Exactly right

Love Bernie, but there is no chance that I will ever vote for Hillary. Not today in the PA primary, not in November, not ever.

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:49 PM

3. He's with us!!

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Response to haikugal (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:02 PM

26. How profound: He's with Us Vs. I'm with Her

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #26)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:07 PM

31. .

A world of difference...yes it is!

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:50 PM

6. He's starting to pivot.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:52 PM

10. No he isn't, he was responding to a question designed to elicit that response.

 

It's an honest answer to a fair question.

Hillary has been asked the same questions but finds herself incapable of providing anything resembling a straight answer.

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Response to CentralCoaster (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:19 PM

40. Please.

He's setting the stage.

He's not dumb.

He's preparing his supporters for what's to come.

And he'll do so slowly.

If not, he'd have said that the question was moot until after the nominee is selected, and he plans to be that nominee ... blah, blah, blah.


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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #40)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:23 PM

45. That's a fair point. Big picture, on careful review, I think you're right.

I do find the "list of demands" attitude a bit hubris laden, though.

The loser doesn't set the agenda!

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Response to MADem (Reply #45)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:28 PM

51. I think he's going to do that for his ...

... angriest supporters. He has to look like he's not just rolling over for party unity. He knows they'd crucify him for doing so. I mean consider that these folks have tossed and endless stream of very progressive people under the bus for even daring to suggest that you have to vote for Hillary if she wins.

Maddow and Thom Hartman as recent examples.

Notice he's statement was measured. To get as many of his folks to support her in the general he's going to have to appear to get something in return.

And let's say that Hillary says some nice things about him later ... her supporters won't be upset ... and his rational supporters will appreciate it, particularly if he gets some respect and the appearance of having won some concessions.

Hillary supporters won't be bothered by her being magnanimous in victory.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #51)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:00 PM

72. I think you've nailed it. My first reaction was "WHAT HUBRIS!" but looking through a longer lens

I think you have it just right.

He's got to assuage the "Busters," then he has to mollify the "Bros," and then he can move forward.

I think he might like a cabinet post to finish out his career. He can be "Secretary Sanders" in charge of the Department of Labor, the current VT governor takes his Senate seat, and all's right with the world.

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Response to MADem (Reply #72)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:23 PM

88. That's an interesting idea!!

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #88)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:40 PM

95. Makes sense, simply from an age and effort POV.

You have a LOT more help at the cabinet level, huge staff, massive budget, you get a plane when you need it, you can go on "fact finding" visits hither and yon, the work is not all that hard, if you can delegate, it's a good life. Also, the pay is quite good.

Certainly easier than having to campaign again in '18 (not that VT is a huge area to cover, but there are a lot of people mad at him about the F-35 in Burlington, and there are other things he can be poked/prodded about, fair or not). He's got the fundraising thing down now (after all these years), but people do weary of being regarded as "the well" after a time.

It also puts him in his very own wheelhouse--the focus of his campaign has been wages, labor, etc. He doesn't have a CLUE as to what is going on in the Middle East, I think Putin would eat him alive, we'd be relying on crazed Republicans to make us appear insane enough to back them off, instead of using constructive diplomacy. But LABOR? He can point that finger, wave that arm, rile 'em up, and get cheers.

I think it's a win-win.

We'll see, though!

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Response to MADem (Reply #95)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:33 PM

141. You may be right,

and if so I hope he stage-manages it well.

However, he also said he's in it to the convention and one never knows, do one?

I do not like Hillary, I do not trust her (in most respects). My mantra is SCOTUS, SCOTUS, SCOTUS.

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Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #141)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:08 PM

161. He can be "in it to the Convention" but if she wins on the first ballot, and it's likely that she

will, what does that really mean? He shows up, he waves at everyone, they take a vote, and there ya go. Ya didn't win, Bern.

He'd get a speaking spot even if he conceded ahead of the convention, so staying in won't give him a better slot--in fact, if he's mean-spirited enough, it could be a worse time frame. There will, though, come a point in time where the Don Quixote commentary will come front and center..

We've already seen that "Challenge the Super Delegates" effort go all pear shaped--all of that stuff got on him. Not in a good way, either--it made his supporters look like ugly bullies, and his "plan" look a bit ... discombobulated. "Say, let's abandon the one who is winning by a mile....and go with the loser....Because Bernie...???"

I like Hillary Rodham. I think she's the smartest person in the room, I think she's a hard worker, and I think she has a good heart. I also think she's going to surprise the living UNoWhat outta some of her detractors.

Time, as it always does, will tell, of course.

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Response to MADem (Reply #161)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:16 PM

169. Well, I sincerely hope she surprises me, if it comes to that.

And if she and her supporters and the party blow us off as you describe (if it comes to that), I won't be surprised but I will remember.

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Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #169)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:51 PM

188. It's not her turn.

But, if she ever does state exactly what she stands for, then maybe we could all have a clearer understanding #WhichHillary we are supposed to be voting for.



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Response to Major Hogwash (Reply #188)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:02 PM

193. It's not the "stating" part that concerns me. She's stated plenty. nt

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Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #193)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:10 PM

196. I'm not concerned with what she said either.

She has a court date in the near future and I am sure she will plead "Not guilty."

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Response to Major Hogwash (Reply #196)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:16 PM

199. I'm not even thinking about that until it moves forward, if it does. nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #45)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:33 PM

203. Right! Losers don't make the demands.

They can make suggestions to consider.

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:50 PM

7. "It's a two-way street", says the guys not conceding anything.

 

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:56 PM

16. It is good that you noticed.

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:52 PM

9. So candidate Carpetbagger is going to play hard to get, eh? The people that voted during the

 

Democratic primaries made a wise choice. It's clear that BS is no Democrat, he wasn't before, he isn't now and he won't be once he is sent packing back to Vermont.

Any side bets on how long it will take before he changes back to a "Democratic Socialist"?

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:55 PM

13. You are too funny. Hope you have a great weekend!

 

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Response to think (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:00 PM

21. Before I saw your response, I almost posted the exact same thing you did

 

It's got to be satire

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:59 PM

20. Straight from that Hillary super PAC, well done.

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:01 PM

23. Which policy stances of his don't fit within the Democratic Party?

Just curious...

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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #23)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:35 PM

142. Third Way or New Deal? nt

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:10 PM

33. Well he is a democrat but many people are finding the 'he's no democrat' a plus given their well

known issues. So if you think that will win any votes...go for it!

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:44 PM

64. When you said "candidate Carpetbagger" I thought you were referring to the former Senator from NY

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Response to corkhead (Reply #64)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:49 PM

68. After 7 years you're hardly a carpetbagger anymore. How long has BS been a Democrat? 15-20 mins? n/t

 

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #68)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:32 PM

93. Note to independents/third parties: don't caucus with Dems. Sounds like a winning strategy! n/t

 

Once a carpetbagger always a carpetbagger. She had no ties to NY other than wanting a short commute to [strike]pander for cash[/strike] tell Wall Street to "cut it out"

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Response to That Guy 888 (Reply #93)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:59 PM

103. Secretary Clinton has had a house in NY for 16 years now ... she has ties to NY

 

Independents / third parties are more than welcome to caucus with Democrats ... it's just when you live your life touting your independence and then all of a sudden call yourself a Democrat to realize your goals of more power ... it's just a bit much to tell the real Democrat that wins the nomination that she will have to come to you, on your terms, if she wants you to give her your support. It's clear he really doesn't care about the Democratic Party ... BS was just using them.

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #103)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:17 PM

106. She did not have a house in NY before she decided to run for the Senate.

 

Why did she pick NY?
The answer is the same that Willie Sutton gave as to why he robbed rob banks... because that's where the money is.

An independent Sanders run would split the democratic vote by much more than Nader did. Theoretically, any division ends after the convention nominates a Democratic Presidential candidate for the 2016 election.

Real Democrats? You mean like Scooter Libby's pal James Carville? The guy that told Democratic candidates to sound like republicans in general elections? Nah, I'm sure you mean Carville's friends the Clintons, how often have those real Democrats been up to visit with pappy bush? I [strike]think[/strike] know I've seen Clinton with bush more than I've seen him with Jimmy Carter.

I've been a Democratic Party member since I first voted, Sanders terms are my terms too. Third Way nonsense has brought us to this point, where Ted Fucking Cruz or Drumpf could become President.

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:53 PM

11. I'm glad there was a transcript

I can't stomach looking at Mrs. Greenspan doing Hillary's bidding.

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Response to BernieforPres2016 (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:06 PM

29. You mean Andrea Micthell -- her name isn't "Mrs. Greenspan":

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #29)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:11 PM

34. She IS Ms. Greenspan....

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #29)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:16 PM

36. No. It is Mrs. Alan Greenspan. Her husband was a key perpetrator of the Great Recession

Since his wife's job is propaganda, everyone should be clear on the relationship.

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #36)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:42 PM

113. Isn't it misogynist to imply that a woman can't think differently than her husband?

Yes, of course it is.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #113)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:38 PM

143. One can, but

On the other hand one is known by the company one keeps.

Dunno about you, but I don't trust Mr. Matalin either. And he's not even a journalist.

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Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #143)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:40 PM

144. Guilt by association

Got it - just a nice way to promote misogyny.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #144)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:47 PM

147. Well, I wouldn't marry someone

who had seriously different views on what was ethical and what wasn't. Would you?

So I say either they have the same general ethics, or they view this whole thing as a game and are sometimes amused by watching us insects skitter around

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Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #147)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:52 PM

149. Mr. Andrea Greenspan

Exactly, never been uttered.

It's misogyny.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #149)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:58 PM

153. If you say so.

Obviously I disagree, and believe I supported same, but I'm not going to spend more time on it here.

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Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #153)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:02 PM

155. You're simply justifying your political biases

Everybody does it, but I would at least admit when I was making an unfair assumption, because one usually tries not to rely on ad hominem with other implied bigotry if at all possible.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #155)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:03 PM

156. If that's the way you see it, please carry on. Without me. nt

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #149)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:02 PM

154. Oh, and if you're going with my analogy, it would be Mr. Andrea Mitchell.

But she's the supposedly impartial reporter, and he's the guy who helped wreck the economy and then said "oops," so it doesn't work that way around. Has nothing to do with gender.

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:56 PM

14. Not only is she clueless, but she's offensive.

I can sum up that interview like this- "Why are you running?"

No wonder I never turn on tv. Are Americans so numb that they don't find this kind of journalism laughable?

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:57 PM

18. If he's already outlining the endorsement, then the primary is over

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Response to Tarc (Reply #18)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:02 PM

24. That's right doesn't want or need Hillarys support

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Response to Skink (Reply #24)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:19 PM

41. Sorry that you're having a hard time facing reality

Bernie is heading into the "acceptance" stage here, it is about time for him to pack it up.

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Response to itsrobert (Reply #22)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:03 PM

27. I'm in the Tired of Unimaginative Parrots stage of grief

 

Not that there's anything wrong with post number 5,760 talking about "stage of grieving"

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:05 PM

28. LOL--He's saying "It's not about ME, but if you don't do what I WANT, I'm going to take all my

supporters (or at least the ones who see Trump as a valid default) and go home!"



What HUBRIS!

I guess he really doesn't want any committee assignments in the Senate, never mind a chair/ranking seat! And I guess--since he likes primaries (he wanted OBAMA primaried in 2012) he won't mind if the DEMOCRATIC Party primaries his ass in 2018.

What a Crabby Crabapple! He's not coming off like he has the future of the country at the forefront of his thoughts at all--I guess some people think a Scalia-loaded Supreme Court ain't nothing but a thing!

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Response to MADem (Reply #28)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:25 PM

47. more threats

whatever. We're over that. Bernie is speaking for his supporters - not just himself!

And a big diference between them - he doesn't care about getting committee assignments and things for himSELF - he wants policy changes for US!

#NotMeUs

and you really think that he can be primaried when 80%+ of his state votes for him?

Talk about hubris!

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Response to dana_b (Reply #47)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:23 PM

87. You don't think he was making threats himself? Still the same old I'm-not-a-Dem gadfly...

The only diff is that now he is capable of doing real damage to the country when he has a self-righteous rant/tantrum.

Whatta guy, whatta guy.

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Response to dana_b (Reply #47)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:30 PM

90. Threats? The one doing the "threatening" is Sanders.

"Do as I say, or I'll poop in your punch!"


That said, on further reflection I agree with JoePhilly. He's softening up his supporters for the inevitable Kumbayah moment. The only way he can do this, believably, is to assert a truculent attitude and snatch a false sense of "victory" from the jaws of obvious defeat.

You do know, FWIW, that he wouldn't have won his Senate race without ENORMOUS help from the Democratic Party, to include a number of PACS? You do know that, right? He was running against a very wealthy Republican with deep pockets. If he hadn't had a) Financial help, b) campaign help, c) The field cleared for him by the Dems, he could have been in deep doo-doo. He may assert that he hates us, but he wouldn't be where he is if not for us--oh, the irony.



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Response to MADem (Reply #90)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:31 PM

140. OK then

He would have won the Senate in Vermont in 2006, Democratic party or not. Tarrant was rich but know one knew him and he introduced himself to us by saying Bernie voted for child molesters. The reason the Democratic party " cleared the field" was that they had no one to run that could beat him and he caucused with the Dems so why fight him? Also, we have the Progressive party to the left of the Dems in Vermont. It tends to keep the triangulation and corporate influence down, and both parties have negotiated backing the same person for Governor so to not split the vote. So that kind of field clearing isn't some special favor that he owes the Dems. Get real!

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Response to Pat Riots (Reply #140)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:50 PM

148. Thanks. nt

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Response to Pat Riots (Reply #140)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:18 PM

172. I don't dispute that the Dems made a deal with him--they even put him on their ballot.

They also gave him a ton of PAC money, tech advice, and Clinton and others opened up their PERSONAL donor lists and asked their friends to chip in for him. He got a good committee assignment (a chair that he squandered, really) and he caucused with us, voting with us on procedural matters.

Thing is, though, if he starts screwing with the convention, or trying to encourage "Or Bust" mentalities, all bets are off. There are times when they just don't want to play anymore, when the effort becomes "un-worth" it. Joe Lieberman comes to mind. The Dems tiptoed around him for far too long. Don't think they'll play that game again.

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:06 PM

30. If you want my support you have to earn it. Sounds very reasonable to me.

 

And, a very good description of what democracy is supposed to look like.

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:08 PM

32. Most if not all of his goals are worthy

The debate has always been on what is the most realistic path to get there

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #32)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:31 PM

54. Why have they been criticized so much then?

 

I have seen way to many dismissals of his goals outright, so many described as "ponies" or "socialist" or "purism."

That's different than debating the most "realistic path."

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Response to Armstead (Reply #54)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:43 PM

145. Really.

The debate has been on how to get there since Hillary took over all Bernie's points. Which I'd see as a good thing if I trusted her.

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:19 PM

39. Too bad. I was hoping he wouldn't go full tilt into the role of an angry and bitter old codger.

He had moments of civility and graciousness, very desirable traits that certainly attracted voters, but to end his spectacular run as a contentious and acrimonious old coot -- "get off my lawn!" -- will tarnish everything he tried to accomplish.

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Response to procon (Reply #39)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:25 PM

48. more ageism

not surprised at all!

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Response to dana_b (Reply #48)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:36 PM

56. Yeah, but it was alerted and allowed to stand.

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Response to dana_b (Reply #48)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:38 PM

58. I'm 70+, what is this 'agism' thou speaketh of?

Is Bernie an old man? Yep, no surprise there at all.
Is he turning bitter and vindictive? Sure sounds like it, yeah?

Age comes to us all, comrade, don't let it surprise you.

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Response to procon (Reply #58)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:41 PM

61. I'm no spring chicken so I do know that

but there is no reason for you to say the things you did. And I don't care if you're an older adult either - it doesn't mean that you still can't be ageist.

Btw - I'm not your "comrade" either.

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Response to procon (Reply #58)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:03 PM

75. Sanders is just under six years older than Hillary.

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Response to procon (Reply #39)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:30 PM

52. Yeah, I bet you were hoping. I bet you might even vote for Bernie if it weren't for his supporters

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Response to corkhead (Reply #52)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:40 PM

59. True. Very true. nt.

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Response to procon (Reply #39)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:38 PM

57. LOL! Just under 6 years older than Hillary.

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Response to procon (Reply #39)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:42 PM

62. Terrible way to characterize this great American. Shame on you.

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Response to procon (Reply #39)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:43 PM

63. You do know that Hill is almost as old as he is don't you?

 

If you look at health records he is actually 'younger' than she is. But go wth that 'old' thing because when someone calls her a bitter old biddy, which I am not now doing, I don't want to hear about it!

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Response to peace13 (Reply #63)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:19 PM

135. Stick with bitter and codger then.

He wants Clinton to "adopt significant portions of his platform", because he says they're "extremely popular". From within the bubble that's true, but it evidently didn't interest enough voters to put him over the top, yeah? No doubt Clinton will negotiate a truce that allows her to skim the cream off the top and cherry pick the best of his ideas that will enhance her candidacy in the GE. That's a good thing and instead of being contrary about the process he should be proud that some of his ideas will get a second chance to succeed, even though he will not.

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Response to procon (Reply #135)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:45 PM

146. Sounds delicious.

 

I'm thinking this will go over well with folks who have paid no attention up to this point. For primary voters they will know which is the walk and which is the talk. Not so good.

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Response to procon (Reply #135)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:56 PM

151. "evidently didn't interest enough voters to put him over the top"

Oh please. If the M$M had covered him like they covered Trump - or anything close - since he started drawing huge crowds to his rallies, he'd have it locked up by now.

What he's done in spite of a late start and obstacles is amazing.

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Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #151)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:47 PM

184. Oh, my goodness, listen to you.

If he made a mistake like starting too late, failed to overcome the obstacles in the pathe in victory -- despite a brimming warchest -- has policies that aren't attracting a majority of voters, that's no one's fault but his, yeah? Now, he's more interested trash talking Hillary than shoring up his own ideas, and he tells the media he's planning to use extortion tactics to force concessions from her to endorse the same ideas he couldn't manage to sell on his own.

Yep, that oughta really help him lock it up.

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Response to procon (Reply #184)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:00 PM

191. Please.

He started late because he only ran because he felt it was necessary for the country. I happen to agree.

Trash talking Hillary? Not until provoked beyond what I'd take, and you'll notice she backed down quickly.

Extortion tactics? That would seem to imply even you think he has some leverage. Hope so.

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Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #191)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:07 PM

195. ... "necessary for the country" ???

Knowing that he was challenging one of the most powerful political campaigns in the country, how does that strategy work any differently than it has?

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Response to procon (Reply #195)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:14 PM

197. Working a lot better than you anticipated, I bet.

Let me guess - you are one of the ones who think Occupy failed, am I right? (Addendum - not that I'm actually concerned with what you think, based on current conversation.)

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Response to procon (Reply #39)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:45 PM

66. lol,how about your old war horse screaming non stop? I like how her eye twitches when she's angry

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Response to procon (Reply #39)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:57 PM

101. May I remind you that Hillary is ONLY 5 years younger than Bernie and Bernie is in better health.

Don't even get me started on her voice.

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Response to procon (Reply #39)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:17 PM

170. She has angry old woman thing going, but we are not supposed to say it.

 

But she is shriveled inside and very snappish.



Lets see how long this gets to stand....one...two...

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Response to procon (Reply #39)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:45 PM

182. ageism is just as despicable as sexism.

"get off my lawn!"

I have a better one:

"GET OUT OF MY SIGHT!!!!!"


NAUGHTY LIST YOU GO!!!!

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:27 PM

50. Try that message with the Superdelegates you need and let us know how it works out

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:33 PM

55. Good I have been waiting for the this kind of statement.

Thank Dog I will never be in a situation where I have to vote for Hillary.

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:41 PM

60. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, think.

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:44 PM

65. Give 'em hell, Bernie!

 

K&R

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Response to closeupready (Reply #65)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:08 PM

163. Absolutely

I am sure your 'revolution' can survive five SCOTUS picks for the GOP...why in about 40 years or so...it will so close.

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:56 PM

69. When you lose it's a one-way street, and you ain't driving

This is either very clumsy gamesmanship or wishful thinking. Either way, he's making a fool of himself.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #69)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:12 PM

82. A wise woman named Peggysue says, "The hitchhiker is demanding the car keys."

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #69)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:06 PM

131. Clinton is not stupid. If she becomes the nominee, you will see incorporation

of at least one of Sanders' major ideas and several other more minor ones, in order to get the vote of millions of his hard-core supporters. Whether they believe that she will follow through on them enough to vote for her is another matter.

With Clinton as the Dem nominee, a pivot hard right won't work for her in the GE like it would normally work for most other Dem candidates. The lines are too firmly drawn in the sand for RWers to vote for her. She must try to close the vote gap with Sanders supporters.

That is the reality.

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #131)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:06 PM

159. Yeah, but what I'm worried about is a pivot *after* the GE..... nt

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Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #159)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:09 PM

164. So tired of those myself, even when prepared for them. That's why I don't think I will even have it

in me to vote, if Sanders is not the nominee.

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #164)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:19 PM

174. Oh I (reluctantly) do.

SCOTUS, SCOTUS, SCOTUS......

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #131)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:21 PM

200. Who trusts HIllary to follow through on a promise?

PT Barnum was mistaken only on the rate at which suckers are born in America.

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:03 PM

74. This is pretty disappointing. He wants to run on the Democratic ticket, but

won't endorse the Democratic candidate if it's not him.

"Well, first of all, I 've got to find out what her platform is," Sanders said about the possibility of an endorsement. "What the views are that she is going to be bringing forth, to what degree she will adopt many of the ideas that I think are extremely popular and I think very sensible."


FFS, he's been running against her platform for months now and he doesn't know what it is?

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #74)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:31 PM

91. How can anyone know her platform,

since she changes her positions almost daily?

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Response to sadoldgirl (Reply #91)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:44 PM

115. Correct.

 

You have to ask her what her stance are for the minute, hour, days, week and months.

It's never the same. She is all over the place. Not what I want in a candidate. Bernie has been very consistent with his message for more than 30 years.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #74)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:31 PM

92. Her platforms have literally changed during the election

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #74)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:10 PM

166. If I were Clinton

I would tell that spiteful man to f off.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #74)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:44 PM

205. Any candidate who is for war and fracking and the TPP and means-testing Social Security

 

and cluster bombs, to name a few things, is not really a Democrat. Those are GOP values.

And FFS - she changes stances all the time, and borrows from Bernie when needing to pander.

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:05 PM

76. YES!

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:11 PM

80. If even 1% of Bernie's Ideals make it into a Clinton Platform it will probably have been worth

the fight.

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Response to The_Casual_Observer (Reply #80)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:49 PM

130. That's already happened. Clinton became his doppelganger months ago and has already appropriating

some of his platform (without attributing it to him). Clearly, then, 1% is not a high enough level of incorporation to persuade him or his supporters to back her. The area in a venn diagram of their intersecting policies is small. It would take an incorporation of some of his major ideas into her platform, such as, for example, immediate pursuit of single-payer universal coverage health care, for me and millions of other hard-core Bernie supporters to hold our noses and vote for her, if she becomes the nominee.



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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:12 PM

81. Wait?

 

I thought they said he was dropping out? I swear there were a minor few posts about that. But maybe I am wrong about that.

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:18 PM

84. This was the best I

Have heard Sanders in a long time.

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:44 PM

97. She would have to demonstrate NOW that she is serious about election integrity.

She has not stepped in to demand audits in any of the seriously messed up elections in this cycle. Either she doesn't care about them, or knows that the problems have consistently benefitted her and is pleased.

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:55 PM

100. "I 've got to find out what her platform is" Who the hell supports such ignorance? WOW.

 

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #100)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:22 PM

127. That was a great side swipe by Sanders at the Weathervaner's weekly changes in policy.

I love a good back hand hit and he delivered here!

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #127)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:13 PM

168. Oh my, I think you're right! Great side swipe!

Although, actually, she's at least informally adopted most of his. Too bad I don't trust her.

SCOTUS, SCOTUS, SCOTUS....

(Hope I don't have hold my nose and chant that mantra.)

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:58 PM

102. Well stated Bernie!

Any endorsement without setting a bar just brings us back to the old system of party elites taking the votes of working Americans for granted.

The whole effort will mean exactly nothing if they are allowed to hoist their middle finger once again and say "well, where else are you going to go?"

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:28 PM

109. Meh. Bernie will endorse Hillary. He's not going to end his career by helping Trump get elected.

Hillary will probably make some speech about clamping down on the banks, which Bernie will praise and then endorse her.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #109)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:25 PM

128. That kind of vacuousness is not a trait of Sanders. n/t

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:35 PM

111. I have no problem with Sanders staying in the race until all votes are cast,

but he's talking out of his backside if he actually believes the following, it will never happen.

ANDREA MITCHELL: If after June 7th, after California, if you don't have a majority, if she has a majority and more of the popular vote, would you then concede, endorse her the way she did of Barack Obama?

SANDERS: Look, if we do not have a majority, I think it's going to be very hard for us to win. The only fact that I think remains uncertain is if we continue to be running significantly stronger than she is against Donald Trump or whoever the Republican nominee will be, I think that's a factor. I think there are a lot of Democrats out there who are scared to death, as I am, about the possibility of a Trump presidency. And the Democrats by and large want to see the strongest candidate possible to take on and defeat Trump or some other Republican. At this point according to virtually all of the polls, that candidate is me.


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Response to Beacool (Reply #111)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:51 PM

122. Polls show him consistently defeating Republicans by a much greater margin

 

than Hillary. Hillary is disliked and/or distrusted by a huge number of Americans and even hated by a sizeable contingent.

That's YOUR candidate, Beacool.

You can crow all you want if, by hook or by crook, she snags the nomination, but she remains what she is -- and as someone pointed out this morning, "there's not enough lipstick in the universe."

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Response to senz (Reply #122)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:19 PM

173. It's a moot point. She will be the nominee.

She's not going to snag the nomination "by hook or by crook", that would be Sanders if the super delegates all of a sudden lost their collective minds and gave the nomination to the candidate with less pledged delegates and popular vote. Your side really wants to see a revolution? Then try to subvert the will of the people and nominate the losing candidate.





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Response to Beacool (Reply #173)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:25 PM

175. You mean the will of the Party elite?

 

You consider Hillary Clinton a righteous cause for which you'd conduct a revolution?

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Response to senz (Reply #175)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:32 PM

178. Reality is something that you're not familiar with, right?

When your opponent is ahead by 2.7M people, the wishes of the Party's elite do not come into play.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #178)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:51 PM

187. The Hillary Group keeps floating this completely meaningless statistic

like it is important...or means something. It doesn't.

The Popular Vote is not even counted in the Caucus states, many of which Bernie won in landslides. How many Millions for Bernie are you ignoring so that you can flaunt something that means NOTHING.... in fact, worse than nothing.

They way you use it is intentionally misleading, but considering who you support,
I can understand if you have no moral qualms about repeatedly doing this,
and now that you know better, I would not be surprised if you just keep on stove piping this completely worthless information.

Once again...the Popular Vote does not count, and is completely meaningless in Primary elections where many states have Caucuses.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #187)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 04:34 PM

226. National GE polls this far out don't count either. nt

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Response to Beacool (Reply #178)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:51 PM

189. I'm familiar with the reality of Hill's deck stacking, game rigging and string pulling.

 

I'm also familiar with the fact that the more people learn about Bernie and his message, the more they like him.

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:48 PM

120. This post more than others has evoked the absence of integrity in Clinton supporters.

And their propensity to ad hominems and smears.

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:20 PM

126. Nope...

 

Still won't get my vote. She's going to say what ever is politically expedient and then just go about her original plans if she gets into office.

Been down this road before. Same shit. Different day.

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:20 PM

136. She'd have to change her (political) DNA to earn my support. IOW, it's not possible for her. nt

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:55 PM

150. Hillary Clinton has proven herself to be not only a liar and a cheat, but incompetent to boot.

 

She'll NEVER have my vote...

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:03 PM

157. This...

"Well, first of all, I 've got to find out what her platform is,"

That is a very good question.

I know that she is certainly against healthcare for all but beyond that her platform is a mystery.

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Response to deathrind (Reply #157)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:35 PM

179. Well, it keeps changing.... or "evolving" or something...

Her platform is whatever is polling well that week and passes the Focus Group.
Trying to follow her is confusing. That is one reason why the majority of the voters don't trust her, or believe she is a liar.

OTOH: Bernie has been remarkable consistent throughout his campaign...and career.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #179)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:02 PM

192. I think you...

Hit the nail on the head with this sentence.

"Her platform is whatever is polling well that week and passes the Focus Group"

... and I know you hit the nail square on the head with this sentence.

"OTOH: Bernie has been remarkable consistent throughout his campaign...and career."

He has been remarkably consistent throughout his time in office.

My remarks from another thread

I don't think I will ever understand why the Democratic Party finally for the first time in my half century of existence had a candidate that was openly campaigning on the core principles/values that the Democratic Party has wanted or at least used to want. Economic, Education, Healthcare, Defense, Financial, Environmental reform and the DNC, the establishment and many voters turned their back on him.

We had the chance to put a candidate into the White House who would have actually made a difference.

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:10 PM

165. Yes!! The campaigns have shown themselves to be very far apart.

 

I am glad he said this. We know too much now.

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Response to artislife (Reply #165)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:57 PM

190. It's not just about me.

Every progressive posting here at the DU has said that at one time or another.

Yet, #WhichHillary has never said that it wasn't all about her.
But then, after spending the last 16 years posturing and running for the White House twice, you never know what she will say or do next.

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:37 PM

180. Clintons platform is the win and what is getting the votes. So, Sanders renigs. Insists, demands

 

Clinton does what he wants even though we the people said no.

Says a hell of a lot about that man.

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:49 PM

186. Then she will have to do it without the Bern. This sounds like a threat and not good to supers. nt

 

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:28 PM

201. She sure does. If he doesn't win, he needs to move her as far to the left as he can

 

so that she might at least end up in the middle.

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Response to think (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:32 PM

202. There is a limit to any demands Sanders makes of Clinton.

He keeps stepping all over the place he is going to step on his tail and fall.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #202)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:44 AM

215. Realistically, it is pretty much pointless to make any liberal or Progressive demands of Hillary,

 

because she would just lie about what she intends to do. I believe Bernie is aware of that.
It is Hillary who keeps stepping all over the place.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #215)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:49 AM

216. If Sanders makes those type of accusations like you are then

Bernie might as well take what is left of his $27 scam back to Vermont.

Bernie Lies

Accusing the Hillary campaign of violating campaign finance law.

"Washington politicians are paid over $200,000 an hour for speeches."

Says his campaign has released his past tax returns.

Says he was endorsed by the Valley News newspaper.

"Almost all of the polls that have come out suggest that I am a much stronger candidate against the Republicans than is Hillary Clinton."

"I helped write" the Affordable Care Act. -- PolitiFact ->Sanders said he "helped write" the Affordable Care Act. He deserves credit for one provision of it -- worth a not-insignificant $11 billion. But overall, he was hardly an inside crafter of the bill.

"We didn't go out and take" information from the Hillary Clinton campaign.

Climate change is "directly related" to the growth of terrorism.

Out of the total U.S. military budget, "significantly less than 10 percent of that money is used to fight international terrorism."

The largest low-wage employer "is not McDonalds or Walmart but the U.S. government."

"We spend almost twice as much per capita on health care as do the people of any other country."

"Poverty levels (are) at an all-time high."

"We now work the longest hours of any people around the world."

The Danes apparently have grown weary of Sen. Bernie Sanders insulting their country. Denmark is not a socialist nation, says its prime minister. It has a market economy.

Bernie Sanders was NOT always a supporter of marriage equality for gay people. Mark Joseph Stern who covers Law and LGBT issues for Slate, is one of the few reporters to actually research Bernies gay rights record and his report shows that, in fact, as recently as 2006 Bernie Sanders was arguing AGAINST marriage equality on a national level because he said that States should have the power to deny gay citizens the right marry. And even though Sanders also got a lot of media attention for his past stance of being one of the few against DOMA, there again if you look at his actual record he never expressed any desire for marriage equality for LGBT Citizens, rather he opposed DOMA because he felt it infringed on the powers of the State.

ADL Calls on Sen. Bernie Sanders to Correct Misstatement on Palestinian Casualties During Gaza War


Bernie Sanderss fiction-filled campaign

Bernie Sanders a regular at high-dollar donor retreats

Bernie Sanders Attracts Some Big Campaign Money Despite Denunciations


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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #216)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:50 AM

217. Brockwurst.

 

Brockwurst.

Will not work, believe me.

And, bye!

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Response to think (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 06:58 AM

210. If he askes his supporters to support Clinton, he will become--

--the Cat-Herder In Chief.

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Response to think (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:10 AM

219. But is Clinton able to change at all?

Would we get anything that we so desperately need from an Establishment candidate?

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Response to think (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:02 AM

230. Its Unfortunate but Wake Up HRC supporters

The Bernie supporters are pro Bernie as opposed to Anti-Hillary because:

He isn't about power or position for himself but is for the people and his platform speaks volumes to what he has consistently fought for throughout his political career.

Hillary is about power, position, and financial self gain as she has flipped-flopped throughout her career to gain power and the benefits it yields. TO name a few ...a Goldwater girl....anti gay marriage ... super predators...NAFTA...Iraq... TPP..etc.

So if Hillary ends up with the nomination it will likely be a republican win because of the Ralph Nader effect as there are many Bernie supporters that might shift to Dr. Jill Stein whose platform is close to what Bernie's is.

Picking the lesser of two evils is not necessarily a choice people of conviction do.

And even if Hillary adopts Bernie's platform, there is the question of trust.. For what we have seen from Hillary career is that she will say one thing publicly and do another privately for power and wealth

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