2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders Takes Election by Exposing Fraud, No Support for Bogus Hillary "Win'
Minimize this at the expense of democracy. This is big stuff.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Godhumor
(6,437 posts)It would be a blackhole of delusional stupidity.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Republic.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Translating that into an advantage for HRC is completely and totally insane.
Time for change
(13,714 posts)There is massive evidence that this election is being stolen. There are substantial exit poll discrepancies in every state where I could find an exit poll, plus massive voter purging that is targeted at Bernie. In NY the exit poll discrepancy was 12%. That is huge, and well beyond the margin of error. In a country with a decent election system that alone would be sufficient to do a total hand recount of the entire state. Not here.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)DeBlasio... et al... OWN THE FRAUD!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Yeah... we'll vote for Hillary in a General Election... Really...
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Have a nice weekend, though.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)mind, it's not. There is no point if these issues are not addressed to the fullest extent possible.
nolabels
(13,133 posts)The only reason rigid exceptionalism is held on so tightly to is that because true nature holds there are actually no absolute truisms, everything and anything could and sometimes does break the rule, or least to what was thought to be a rule about what is and what is not.
It's a cruel hoax many do not recognize, but has an adage as old as the hills 'with every rule there are exceptions'. That is of course if you are not writing the rules. Their rule of those writing the laws and rules, is that all gold and everything else is ours and their are no exceptions.
The question to ask is why do you trust any foisted up leader to do the right thing rather than just to do that human thing?
Kerry did not challenge because he was more comfortable knowing what he did know rather than embracing what he did not know. He was afraid and went with his comfort. The difference between an old Kerry and a young Kerry was quite a bit as we learned
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)challenged or else we are doomed. I guess I'm hoping for our alien overlords to supply us with the appropriate genetic mutation to over-ride that general defect. And yet I think, despite my poor acquaintance with history, there are (a few) examples of some who managed to be an exception to being slaves to the human thing. But what do I know--maybe they were the aliens.
nolabels
(13,133 posts)The guy walks the walk and has done it all his life.
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)Damn, I miss JeffR. This thread would have been lighting up the DUzies.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)Time for change
(13,714 posts)Maybe she was too hard on Bernie for not contesting the election fraud. My respect for Bernie is so great that I don't want to accept her interpretation of his failure to contest the election fraud.
Maybe Bernie feels that if he contested it, it would take away from the main message he's trying to get out. Maybe he's unaware of the extent of the election fraud being perpetrated against him. Maybe he's in denial about it. He's not perfect, as nobody is.
I can believe that he's making the wrong decision by not contesting the election fraud -- and I do believe that is the wrong decision -- without losing respect for what he's done.
But I also tend to think she's right that we should refuse to donate any more to his campaign until he gets behind the efforts to contest the election fraud. In NY there was a 12 point discrepancy between the exit polls and the official results. That is off the map. And that is in addition to all the voter suppression, which would not even show up in the exit polls because those people didn't vote and people who don't vote are not polled in exit polls. In a fair election he would have won NY by a substantial amount. But he has no chance of winning the nomination if such election fraud is allowed to stand. He really should get behind the effort to do something about it IMO.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)inverting how Clinton relied on the caging being done by someobody else that'd take the fall for her (Purcell, Haslett-Rudiano)
Time for change
(13,714 posts)Or maybe he'll be able to justify an independent candidacy if polling shows that he would likely win in a three way race.
Time for change
(13,714 posts)and in CA he has to win by a large margin. As long as fraud continues to be perpetrated as it has been, and all the existing fraud is allowed to stand, there is no chance of that happening.
questionseverything
(9,651 posts)activists in chicago have evidence the boe is falsifying the 5% required audit
we need to support them
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511809605
Time for change
(13,714 posts)as noted in the title of the article you provided in your link?
I don't know the process, but clearly some sort of legal action must be taken in order to have any impact.
questionseverything
(9,651 posts)sue for prospective relief
if this evidence would of come in time for bernie to contest illinois i would be all for that but that deadline is over
if we get the evidence in the general populations view maybe by the next big steal we can catch them in a timely manner
Time for change
(13,714 posts)This will have to be fought very aggressively in order to see any results. Bernie has to campaign, but he needs some of his legal staff to push this very aggressively, IMO.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)I sent them a like to this video.
I liked it. Good work. Thanks.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)MineralMan
(146,286 posts)Debbier than usual she is today. Wearing her summer dress, too.
HI DEBBIE!
questionseverything
(9,651 posts)even if you don't watch it all, look at the 1:17 min mark
the activist says he has evidence to back his claims that the "audit" is falsified
brooklynite
(94,502 posts)...except for AArizone where he joined a suit filed by the "hated" DNC and Clinton campaign?
Beacool
(30,247 posts)This one is one of them.