2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders Tones Down Rhetoric - Scranton, PA Rally
See the video above, if you have an hour or so to spare. I watched and listened to it live. Here's what the takeaway is, from my point of view:
Bernie Sanders hit all of his normal position points in this speech, but with far less shouting than he has in the past. He also compared himself with Hillary Clinton, but with the same low-key approach, and refrained from attacking her positions. It was almost as if he mentioned her in passing only. The speech was done in a lower key than his normal rally remarks. His focus was more on change that is needed than on his run for the Democratic nomination.
He wrapped the speech up with a call for people to turn out in PA in larger than normal numbers. He said, as usual, that if the turnout was very large, he would win, but he said that only once, and in a normal speaking voice, rather than in the usual exhortation style he typically uses.
Overall, it was a very good speech and called for the changes he always calls for, but it seemed much less of a campaign speech and more of a general speech to stir up enthusiasm, not so much for him as the candidate but for voter action in general.
Here's what I took from this: He's still running, but is not expecting to be the nominee any longer. He is pushing his message, but not himself at this point. This seems to reinforce my opinion that he understands that he no longer has a reasonable path to the nomination, but is carrying on the campaign in a different way. It is a distinctly toned-down rhetoric he presented in Scranton today. Watch the video yourself. Compare it to some of his other rally speeches.
I'm sure he'll continue his campaign through Tuesday, at least, but it's clear that he's not going to attack the Clinton campaign in the same way as he has previously. He seems to have heard the message from New York, and is transitioning to a message-based presentation rather than an election campaign strategy.
That's my opinion. Watch the video. Your opinion might differ.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)MineralMan
(146,284 posts)that was different. I've watched a number of his rally speeches. This one was much different, overall. What Hillary Clinton will do remains to be seen. This is not about Hillary Clinton. It is about Bernie Sanders.
peace13
(11,076 posts)He makes the turn back to the place he started and she can decide for herself which path is better. Should be interesting.
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)He'll be making other campaign speeches before Tuesday. We'll see how it goes. I'm not seeing as much fire in this one as in his previous speeches. That's an indication of something, I'm sure. It's obvious that he's made some sort of decision here.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)peace13
(11,076 posts)There are points that you would not believe so I will spare you. But when he began answering her and standing up for himself it translated into being 'mean to the lady'. He should remain calm and carry on. That is his way and it suits him well. It's all good now. He had an evening in his home as Hill and Bill did on Election Day. This should recharge them all.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)policy proposals (because he never achieves them, can escape the blame). But his taxes, and now, even what he says. Hillary's fault. How impotent of him.
peace13
(11,076 posts)And secondly, stepping back, taking a breathe and measuring steps carefully is not escaping responsibility! It is being an adult. You know Hillary has her own set of issues and your concern might help her along. I wouldn't worry about Bernie. He seems to tick right along!
Hillary ignored him for most of the campaign. She never saw him as a credible threat until recently and frankly I don't think she ever should have seen him as such. I'm sure she'd be more than happy to go back to firing her attacks at Trump.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Bernie Needs to Take Her to The Cleaners On All Of Her Blumenthal Shit And On And On! Call her on it NOW!
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)He did better than Obama in a state with the most closed voting system in the country? The people voted on the false narrative of who had a better chance of defeating Trump, and most made their minds up to vote for Hillary months ago.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/04/19/us/elections/new-york-primary-democratic-exit-polls.html
Also as it stands Hillary can no longer win either by delegates.
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)Bernie cannot make progress toward the nomination by losing major states like NY. Too many delegates are at stake. On Tuesday, another big block of delegates are up for grabs. It looks like he'll lose those primaries as well, since they're also closed primaries in Northeastern states.
What I'm saying is that he has dialed his rhetoric down. What that means is open to interpretation. I've said how I interpret it. You might interpret it differently. Go watch the video and let me know what you think after doing that.
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)Hillary is losing her core voters in a race that was only among the core. Not a good sign, this was her race to lose in NY, and if the ballots get added she will only do worse.
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)I'm sure he'll continue his campaign through Tuesday, at least, but it's clear that he's not going to attack the Clinton campaign in the same way as he has previously. He seems to have heard the message from New York, and is transitioning to a message-based presentation rather than an election campaign strategy.
That's my opinion. Watch the video. Your opinion might differ.
Did you ask him? Did he tell you any of these? You got quite a lot from the speech including dates. Your post would make Sherlock jealous. :p
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Let's wait and see... Keep contributing. THIS IS NOT The time to fold up under criminal assault from your opponent. Take it to the convention and let the delegates such as they are... stand up and vote... Declare yourselves so that you can be held accountable. For Bernie to capitulate, he will go down as a YHUGE HYPOCRITE! He should be prepared for "other" alternatives leading up to November... He could still be President...
msongs
(67,387 posts)northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)It is funny because you are laughing at the disenfranchised in a party that claims to care about it. You are right, f@ck the rest of them, they are such losers.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)hopefully this is a trend
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)I just stopped believing he could win the nomination.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Those comments scare me because she knows better or knew better. If she's forgotten, that's really scary stuff. If she's just pandering to the right wing it's also scary but not the same scary. Pandering would be better than the other.
But I do not understand how a sound mind could say that. The fact that her supporters were perfectly happy with those comments is very disturbing. It's like she can say anything and they cheer for it. What's next? GW Bush the hero of Katrina?
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)That just reminded me of the reason I did not vote for her before, but it seems most of hte HRC crew are alright with her past...
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)And Sanders also lied about the Pope inviting him to the vatican on tv. I posted the clip numerous times.
Either he was lying or (using your words) "I do not understand how a sound mind could say that".
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)... I don't expect I will change my mind any time soon.
If follows up and sincerely endorses Hillary and works hard to get all of his supporters to follow his example, he'll return to my good graces. But if he doesn't go all out to get her elected, then screw him. I will do my best (which I admit isn't much) to get his status in the Senate by having him removed from committees, etc.
aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)You simply like the idea of progressive ideas on the margin.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)Get it.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)speaking.
aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)As evidenced on DU.
Do you think thats Because he's Jewish?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)I like Warren and if Bernie went up against Warren I would honestly be conflicted who I would've voted for in the primary. When it was Bernie v. Hillary it was a no-brainer I would support Bernie.
I mean I've heard Bernie enough on Thom and have seen enough of Hillary's background, to me she wasn't even worthy of heavy consideration.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Feelings toward a person can change greatly when they become ambitious- and women suffer the most for it. Lots of studies have been done.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)First two terms.. As far back as the Clintons have been on the national stage.
I thought it was great when she tried to get traction on health care in the early 90s, even if it didnt work out.
I never had any problem with her or her ambition until it led her to do things like vote for the IWR, sponsor pandering flag burning legislation, etc.
eridani
(51,907 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)its gotta be people out to get her cuz she's a woman. Always.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)conjecture. Without Warren actually running, it's a meaningless assertion.
Just because "she's too ambitious" is a trope sometimes thrown at women, doesn't mean that there aren't situations where a woman's ambition might actually cause politically self-destructive behavior.
Ambition in politicians taken to the point of clouding their own better judgment exists, and it has nothing to do with Gender. See Nixon, Richard Milhous.
You're awesome.
blue neen
(12,319 posts)At all.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Because that's a shit-scented smear job if there ever was one.
Haveadream
(1,630 posts)I'm so glad he took time off to get away from his advisors and has returned to his original message.
Thank you for sharing this, MM!
pat_k
(9,313 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,513 posts)all going to have to pull to defeat the Republicans. We've got too much at stake to divide the party.
Skink
(10,122 posts)This one looked busy too.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)#berniemath
Skink
(10,122 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)Most of us are 9-to-5'ers.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... did his campaign advisors rethink and change their advice; or did the candidate rethink his advisors and start taking better advice from someone else? (Or maybe he's just relying on his own intelligence instead of listening to others who may have had other more personal motivations for the advice they were feeding him.)
I guess we'll know more when the book comes out.
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)redesigning how to deliver the message, though. A day off produced some marked changes in his public approach. At least it seems so to me based on this speech.
I have no idea what went on yesterday. Maybe we'll find out. I was just looking to see if there was a change in presentation, and it sure seems like there was.
What I wonder is what Bernie's superfans are going to think of it? Maybe we'll hear about that too.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)This is great news. I'm a Hillary supporter. I believe that Bernie has every right to stay in the race and push his positions. But attacking Hillary as hard as he did in NY does no good. Not for Bernie who would eventually be portrayed as a flailing old grouch, and not for Hillary and the Democratic chances to win the general election.
Bernie can come away from his campaign as a much more powerful advocate than he's been in the Senate. But he has to play his cards right for that to happen.
Stuckinthebush
(10,843 posts)He's getting the message
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)I think they are either ill informed, cynical, or near sighted.
However as I have long said the chances of Bernie winning the nomination has always been very low and now they are almost zero. The only thing that might save him would be legal trouble for Hillary Clinton.
That said I agree that Bernie needs to continue his message and carry it to the convention. He has been a good moral compass for the Democratic Party which has lost its way.
LexVegas
(6,050 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)MineralMan
(146,284 posts)similar venues. Thanks for your reply. I don't "smear" anyone and I have no association with any campaign. Please don't imply that I do. Thanks.
I wonder when HRC will quit pretending she's as populist as Sanders and start following the direction of the red arrow in her campaign logo.
Tick tock...
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)This is BS.
apnu
(8,751 posts)I've often thought that Bernie knew his chances were slim but that he wanted his message out there and he wanted to make sure Democrats were talking about those things too. And in that way he's accomplished his goal.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)And not do the nasty things Tad said he was going to...I have very little liking or respect left for Sander whom I believe has harmed our chances in the fall, but I would feel very sad if he destroyed himself with such unethical behavior.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Hillary has enough shit to deal with from the Republicans.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)1) being the completely credible alternative in event of the Clinton campaign implosion
2) Making sure that the agenda is given full consideration if the DNC expects any sort of post convention unity.
As posters upthread have noted, this is typical rhetoric, not to be confused with the caricature promulgated by media and the Clinton campaign.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)dirty, dirty dealings... If she sleazes her way to the Nomination, I'm sure the GOP will pound her with them though. And we will subsequently lose the WH.
jg10003
(975 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)Jitter65
(3,089 posts)HUGE...salaries for his top two advisors. Just think how much they will be able to invest in Wall Street when the primary is over.