Just remember one basic fact folks....

[FlatBaroque]

One does not steal elections in order to do GOOD things once in office.

[auntpurl]

1. True that!

And since there is absolutely no evidence that Hillary or her camp have had anything to do with voter irregularities...

And since the voter irregularities in AZ and NY disenfranchised voters who would likely have been voting for Hillary...

And since Bernie's camp is the one saying "Let's overturn the will of the 2.7 million MORE Democratic voters who have voted for Hillary by trying to strong-arm super delegates to declare for us"...

Which one of our candidates is actually trying to "steal" this election?

If Bernie's camp tries to steal this election away from the majority of Democratic voters who have clearly expressed their preference for Hillary, then I agree completely that they do not plan to do good things. Seems more like they plan to massage the ego of a candidate who has not won fair and square.

[haikugal]

2. I thought the dem party wanted more people to vote. How is this system they helped to put in place

Getting more voters to the polls. It isn't. So take your numbers, because like so much in our political system they don't mean a damned thing. If you think this has been a clean primary you haven't been paying attention. This isn't about what team you're on it's about our country and democracy. We are an Oligarchy now, not a democracy anymore...that should bother everyone.

[auntpurl]

3. In the closed primaries, the Dem party wants more DEMOCRATS to vote

Because Democrats get to choose the candidate from their party. Republicans get to choose the candidate from their party. Greens, all the other parties, the same. And then in the GE, the rest of the population gets to choose between the candidates the party has chosen.

I think all primaries should be closed. No caucuses, no open primaries, just Democrats choosing Democrats in a simple process. Mail-in voting would be ideal; then you can recount if there's any trouble. And that's it.

[haikugal]

4. It will end the Democratic Party.

[auntpurl]

5. Hasn't so far

[haikugal]

7. You should look at how many Dems there are...

Then how many republicans..then check out the unaffiliated.

Here..


http://www.people-press.org/2015/04/07/party-identification-trends-1992-2014/#total

This is a trend. People are leaving. Parties are defunct and corrupt entities that don't represent the citizens. Then they make it impossible for citizens to vote or almost impossible. Why? Corruption.

You need to educate yourself.

[auntpurl]

8. Dems won the last 2 presidential election cycles

The last 4 if you count GWB's steals - which I do.

So...I think we're gonna be ok.

[haikugal]

10. Do you care about the country?

You're in for a very big awakening....but then maybe not. You may be fine with the way things are going.

[auntpurl]

12. I AM fine with the way things are going.

I want us to continue Obama's progress, and add some of Hillary's ideas to push things forward. I think we are moving in a good direction, and I'm pleased with Democratic leadership. I'd like us to have a little deeper bench when it comes to young superstars in the party, but I think that can be accomplished. In general, I feel content. The majority of Democrats polled feel as I do about Dem leadership and the direction of the country.

And to answer your first question, yes I care very deeply about the country. It's MY country.

[haikugal]

15. Well we couldn't be further apart. No, it's OUR country.

[auntpurl]

17. Yes, it's all of ours.

Agreed on that.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

9. Many of us are leaving the Party unless Bernie is the nominee.

But fortunately, bernie's advantages in money, volunteers and enthusiasm may well mean victory for America and the world.

[Sheepshank]

16. we know...the mantra is established

good luck and may you be happy in the life you have chosen.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

19. Welcome to "full ignore." n/t

[JSup]

14. Wow, look at that...

...first they decide that something targeted happened to voter rolls without evidence and now they're making new posts using that speculation, as though it were fact, as a basis for judgment.

Do we not do science in school anymore?

[auntpurl]

18. The idea that a closed primary (which have been around for many many years)

is somehow now VOTE SUPPRESSION in this election cycle is just bonkers.

[haikugal]

23. It is. Why else do it. All things can be manipulated as we've seen. So who does this system benefit?

Not the majority.

I'm an FDR Democrate not a neoliberal/neocon third way republican light. I think the country is way, way off track and we got here by voting the lesser evil. I refuse to do that anymore and I think the momentum is with me and those like me.

[Orsino]

6. Nor does one buy them in order to do good.

I guess that makes two basic facts.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

11. One also doesn't beg the question. nt

[IamMab]

13. Bernie's the one plotting to steal the nomination, so...........

DERP

[brooklynite]

20. Good thing nobody's trying to steal then election then...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. Elisabeth Kubler-Ross says hi.

[Tarc]

22. I think it's time to face facts; most people just don't agree with Bernie Sanders

Perhaps he and his followers can wonder just why his message did not appeal to very many women, African-Americans, and Hispanics.