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Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:50 AM

I believe this rigging is happening all over. IL - Chicago 56% down to 47%

In one example noted during video, 21 Bernie votes were erased and 49 Hillary votes added to audit tally in order to match machine count. In this one precinct, this change from the actual results accounted for nearly 20% of overall votes cast. The actual tally was 56.7% in Bernie's favor. After count was manipulated by machine he lost with 47.5% of vote. A whopping 18.4% swing.

&sns=em - video

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4fqo91/chicago_board_of_elections_audits_chicago_votes/

"The observer lady was independent from the election organization who was running the 5% audit. She claims she and other observers should have been able to view everything but the election officials would hide counts, tallies and ballots from them. The officials were to use the machines and tally the votes by hand. She claims they witnessed these officials change their hand tally to match "expected" results. She claimed they may have been under pressure to ensure the results matched up.

This was a meeting of the board of elections. She was there as a member of the public and was allowed just 5 minutes to make a comment. The official in charge of the day rebuked her claims and she wasn't allowed to respond, but she did anyway. Watch the video, it's rather interesting (and infuriating). She handed in a bunch of affidavits from herself and other observers so hopefully that helps somehow. It'd be interesting to know if these are on the public record somewhere."

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Reply I believe this rigging is happening all over. IL - Chicago 56% down to 47% (Original post)
bkkyosemite Apr 2016 OP
ViseGrip Apr 2016 #1
questionseverything Apr 2016 #35
bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #2
Aerows Apr 2016 #3
lostnfound Apr 2016 #38
jwirr Apr 2016 #49
tymorial Apr 2016 #52
lmbradford Apr 2016 #4
Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #5
Blue Meany Apr 2016 #45
reformist2 Apr 2016 #60
Progressive dog Apr 2016 #6
mythology Apr 2016 #17
Progressive dog Apr 2016 #18
Kentonio Apr 2016 #29
Progressive dog Apr 2016 #32
Kentonio Apr 2016 #37
randome Apr 2016 #7
bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #8
nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #13
Baobab Apr 2016 #19
Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #9
Punkingal Apr 2016 #10
Baobab Apr 2016 #21
dana_b Apr 2016 #16
jwirr Apr 2016 #48
nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #11
NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #12
stillwaiting Apr 2016 #30
desmiller Apr 2016 #36
FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #14
stillwaiting Apr 2016 #31
KittyWampus Apr 2016 #15
sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #20
Baobab Apr 2016 #25
AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #33
dinkytron Apr 2016 #23
Baobab Apr 2016 #24
bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #34
dinkytron Apr 2016 #22
mooseprime Apr 2016 #26
bbgrunt Apr 2016 #27
amborin Apr 2016 #28
questionseverything Apr 2016 #40
silvershadow Apr 2016 #41
silvershadow Apr 2016 #39
Kittycat Apr 2016 #42
Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #43
peace13 Apr 2016 #44
jwirr Apr 2016 #46
Unicorn Apr 2016 #47
Scuba Apr 2016 #50
Bjornsdotter Apr 2016 #51
Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #53
Beowulf Apr 2016 #56
polichick Apr 2016 #54
reformist2 Apr 2016 #55
questionseverything Apr 2016 #57
reformist2 Apr 2016 #58
questionseverything Apr 2016 #59
Dem2 Apr 2016 #61

Response to bkkyosemite (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:51 AM

1. Citizens cannot allow themselves to become desensitized to election fraud.

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:10 PM

35. i applaud the illinois ballot integrity project,hope they keep fighting

we have several witnesses willing to go on record that the audit was not an audit at all but more of a cover up so the audit results were forced to match the previously recorded output

@1;17 point in the video the gentleman says he observed 3 different ways this happened and that he has photographic evidence that votes were erased so the audit matched the previously reported results

now if you were an honest election official that news should make you want to know more, not this bunch tho

attorney scalon seems to pride himself on keeping the audit as non transparent as possible, no video, instructing workers to cover aspects of the pretend audit

as stalin said , it is always about who counts the votes

until the average citizen can oversee every step of the election process, our election are illegitimate

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Response to bkkyosemite (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:53 AM

2. Another comment from the site Bernie Sanders is my Hero that I belong to on FB

"OMG, I just checked my RI voter information & my party has been changed to republican. Being from Rhode Island, our primary is the 26th. Also, found out RHODE ISLAND IS CLOSING 66% OF POLLING PLACES FOR OUR APRIL 26TH PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY-that's 1 in 3.
I went to my town hall before the cut off date to vote in the primaries & checked what party I was affiliated with. I was registered independant & changed it to Democrat (just to be sure I could vote in the primary)."

This election is a travesty!

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:05 AM

3. It is as crooked as a barrel of snakes.

 

I don't remember a Primary as fucked up as this one is.

And yes, I am upset about it and it isn't sour grapes. Everyone of us should be concerned about this bullshit.

This is a dress rehearsal for November. If you are pleased with the results that the Primary could be thrown for Hillary, just remember the same thing can happen in the GE.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:37 PM

38. I know! How about we hack into the databases, make all D's into R's and R's into D's...

Change districts and create chaos...Except maybe a few of us who get laughed at when we question election integrity...? And then watch the scrambling as everyone who shows up to vote discovers it really wasn't just voter error or non-Democrats trying to vote after all. That gee, machines and systems can be hacked and manipulated. Who would have thought.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:19 AM

52. Hello fellow Rier

I live in Massachusetts now but I miss Ri so much. My wife won't agree to move lol.

I saw the 66% closure yesterday but it's "just for the primary" This is preposterous. Given the legacy of corruption and piss poor management in our state, it never ceases to amaze me that crap like this happens.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:12 AM

4. This is disgusting

What have we allowed our democracy to become. I become more and more ashamed every day.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:18 AM

5. The required 5% audit discovered vote tabulation error so the audit results were changed.

Got to love our USA.LLC!

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Response to Kip Humphrey (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:53 PM

45. I have heard of that happening on other places, because the staff know that they might

 

have to hand count all the ballots if it doesn't come out the same. We need citizen audits.

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Response to Blue Meany (Reply #45)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:11 PM

60. We need journalists to find these "auditors" and ask them what happened!

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Response to bkkyosemite (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:27 AM

6. She wants to be able to "tie votes to voters"

and she claims an audit of 5% is not statistically meaningful when polls use <<<1%. That is quite a waste of time.

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Response to Progressive dog (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:09 PM

17. Except polling can tie to demographics

 

It's hard to do that from ballots that aren't tied to individuals.

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Response to mythology (Reply #17)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:14 PM

18. So you're OK with not being able to

vote in secret. I thought that kind of privacy was fundamental to having a real vote.

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Response to Progressive dog (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:52 PM

29. No she didn't, she specifically said she DIDN'T want to tie votes to voters.

 

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #29)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:57 PM

32. After she said she needed to tie the votes to voters

or maybe you found a different woman.

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Response to Progressive dog (Reply #32)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:23 PM

37. Watch it again.

 

She was misunderstood the first time by the chairwoman, and clarified that she did not in any way wish to be able to tie voters to votes.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:30 AM

7. There are voting problems in every precinct in every election.

 

Statistically meaningless irregularities like this do not mean a grand conspiracy with thousands of precinct captains and officials all doing Clinton's bidding.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

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Response to randome (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:39 AM

8. These are not just voting problems.

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Response to randome (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:08 AM

13. Like caging in the state of florida in 2000

 

guess what, this is what we are talking about. Or moving a whole SOS server in 2004... that is what we are talking about. Not the lost vote here or there. A for effort though

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Response to randome (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:17 PM

19. No, thats not true, there may be

Some good info on voting machines, probability and tampering is here-

https://www.cs.princeton.edu/~appel/voting/

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Response to bkkyosemite (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:56 AM

9. Democracy is dead

 

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:03 AM

10. And people don't get this fact.

This isn't about a candidate, it's about our democracy.

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Response to Punkingal (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:23 PM

21. THANK YOU


This isn't about a candidate, it's about our democracy.




Yes- exactly-

See especially https://www.cs.princeton.edu/~appel/papers/appel-audits.pdf

also https://www.cs.princeton.edu/~appel/voting/

https://www.cs.princeton.edu/~appel/avc/


also

Insecurities and Inaccuracies of the Sequoia AVC Advantage 9.00H DRE Voting Machine.


Remote Vote Tampering Attack on a Sequoia AVC Voting Machine - Argonne National Lab's Vulnerability Assessment Team (VAT) demonstrates how to tamper with a Sequoia




Sequoia Part 1 Those with access can hack with ... - YouTube

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:39 AM

16. and here we spend all this time here and other places

talking about what we are for, what we want in our candidates and really it makes NO difference. Because the oligarchs will decide for us.

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Response to dana_b (Reply #16)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:22 PM

48. That is pretty much how I felt after reading about the 33

state deal. MN gave Bernie the win but we have not had our state convention yet and I wonder if there is going to be some way that they take Bernie delegates way from him. Some way they give her more than him.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:05 AM

11. Why do you think I say we vote in pretend elections, with pretend votes?

 

Now if people really want to do something about it, it will take millions... and likely over a decade. Ready for that kind of commitment? I got my comfy shoes to spread the news, and the recorder and the camera. I wonder though if Americans care that much.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:06 AM

12. Of course it is. The only ones unable to see it happening are Clinton supporters.

 

Wonder why....

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:54 PM

30. Some of them see it too even if they won't admit it.

Some of them, I'm sure, are even HAPPY about it.

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:11 PM

36. It's called blind loyalty

I asked two of them yesterday about what does Hillary stood for to earn their vote. No response as of yet.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:13 AM

14. It has occurred in all the states that were important to Her.

Last edited Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:12 AM - Edit history (1)

That is no coincidence. Apparently they could not infiltrate the Michigan voter data. But Arizona, Mass, NY absolutely. And I also bet that some the super Tuesday states in March were fucked with in order to pump up her delegate count.

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #14)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:56 PM

31. I have NO doubt that it happened in my state of VA.

She did not win this state 65-35. No way.

McAuliffe is one of the Clintons' staunchest supporters.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:19 AM

15. This baseless, bullsh*t nonsense about "rigging" because Sanders is losing

 

hurts the cause of ACTUAL voter suppression.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:18 PM

20. Will you use that same answer when the repugs

do the same in the GE, and HRC loses?

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Response to sadoldgirl (Reply #20)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:31 PM

25. she wont lose

Trump is not a serious candidate

he is one of Bill Clinton's golfing buddies, and his daughter and Chelsea are best friends

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Response to Baobab (Reply #25)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:01 PM

33. So the Clintons are in cahoots with Trump?

 

Lovely...

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:25 PM

23. You have blinders on.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:29 PM

24. except they have rigged it at a higher level also

using GATS - for example on health care, education and banking - and then 'neglected to tell us' and - in the case of health care, wasted the whole country's time in 2009 on a wild goose chase.

at the same time they are trying to trade US jobs away to give corporations access to other countries, kind of an escape strategy, using those jobs like money.

so it all together paints a very damning picture.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:10 PM

34. No! What you just said is bull shit.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:24 PM

22. My old NY friend, the nicest most stand up guy in the world and very involved in politics...

told me NY was rigged. Too many first hand experiences of people being disenfranchised. It is one thing reading about it, it is another hearing more one one person you know being denied a vote. This is not democracy. FYI, he is supporting Bernie but totally willing to vote for the Democratic nominee. His wife is pro Hillary. He also worked for Hillary early on.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:39 PM

26. simply appalling. all of our carrying on

about winning in this or that demographic or district is a waste of time and what's worse, a dangerous diversion.

there has been so much of this--after many primaries in populous states--that i no longer find the results being trumpeted high and low to be credible.

foul!

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Response to bkkyosemite (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:46 PM

27. K and R! The truth needs to be known.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:48 PM

28. horrifying! what is the next step we need to take here?

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Response to amborin (Reply #28)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:40 PM

40. here is a link to support funding the case

https://www.gofundme.com/auditchicagovote

getting the election officials in court is the next step

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Response to amborin (Reply #28)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:40 PM

41. I tell you what would change things..start arresting those who don't follow the law to the letter.

 

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Response to bkkyosemite (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:39 PM

39. Bump for more irregularities. nt

 

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Response to bkkyosemite (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:05 PM

42. Kick

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Response to bkkyosemite (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:19 PM

43. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, bkkyosemite.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:51 PM

44. Madame Chair should just stop talking at the end.

 

Telling observers that they may have misunderstood the process when people have been explaining problems that they in fact observed is an insult. Her umma and u knows are disturbing. Making a tally match a number is not any kind of audit. It should be blind!

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Response to bkkyosemite (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:10 PM

46. This is happening in too many states to not be fraud. We

need some honest people to help us get out of this mess. Oligarchy.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:12 PM

47. And this is the real story of the primaries. There's been fraud in every state.

 

Progressives must be scary people to have to suppress their vote so much.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:05 AM

50. Silly lefties. Unicorns, rainbows and fair elections are just blue sky pipe dreams.

 

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Response to bkkyosemite (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:10 AM

51. IIRC

...it was said on TYT tuesday night that Illinois, NY, and Ohio were the top states, historically, with election fraud.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:23 AM

53. Progressives, if this is how the Democrats treat your votes, it's obvious they don't WANT your vote.

 

Maybe it is time to let the party of such fraud go bust. Alternatively, it could go Bernie, and have a landslide in the GE. The choice is theirs. Our choice is whether we condone such corruption to continue, or vote it clean out of office.

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #53)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:41 AM

56. Oh I think they want our votes.

The just don't want our candidates and our issues. We shouldn't feel singled out. That's how they treat every constitute group that is not part of the oligarchy.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:24 AM

54. You have to be blind, deaf and dumb as rocks not to see what's happening...

People have to stand up against the evil in both parties.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:23 AM

55. I can understand an undercounting when counting by hand, but an overcounting???


Having to ERASE 21 check marks for Bernie, and then ADD 49 for Hillary to match the official machine count, doesn't make sense to me at all. At the very least, it's evidence of substantial machine error. And it could be evidence of possible fraud.

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Response to reformist2 (Reply #55)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 11:54 AM

57. and that is just one early voting machine

in a city with thousands

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #57)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 11:59 AM

58. It's clear that votes were moved from the Sanders column to the Clinton column on election night.

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Response to reformist2 (Reply #58)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:03 PM

59. yes and from the evidence presented in video it is also clear the boe is actively covering that up

illinois ballet integrity project deserves our support

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Response to bkkyosemite (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:13 PM

61. And to add my comment to the 3rd thread on this topic:


For those interested, start viewing at about 24:30. I agree with the author of the DKos article, "There’s no way to know how egregious the errors in the machine count and their purported audit were without further investigation and research." I can't comment further, there's not enough evidence to suggest much of anything other than someone should have filed for a recount since it was stated that the 5% audit is not in itself to be used to change any results.


The audit checked out according to the officials, if it is felt that they did something wrong at the 5% audit, they should file a lawsuit.

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