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Call it Skinner. nt

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peace13 Apr 2016 #19
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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:45 PM

1. Thank you Autumn. You are a good person. It was a well fought campaign.

Now, let's go beat those Republicans.

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Response to ProudToBeLiberal (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:59 PM

6. and

it is not over.

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Response to SandersDem (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:01 PM

8. Autumn is the host leader of the Bernie Sander's group on DU.

She recognizes that we need to turn our attention against the Republicans.

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Response to ProudToBeLiberal (Reply #8)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:11 PM

19. Wow.

 

Just wow! Talk about divisive. I guess we have disbanded already. How does this post make people who are still in the trenches, still donating, still supporting Sanders feeling?

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Response to peace13 (Reply #19)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:14 PM

25. Do what I am doing, I am still donating to Bernie and I am still supporting him.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #25)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:22 PM

39. Then what is your point here?

 

That makes no sense at all! None!

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Response to peace13 (Reply #39)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:23 PM

40. Neither does arguing which is the best candidate on this message board make any sense.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #40)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:32 PM

56. Really, none of it makes any sense.

 

You may have a point and I may agree or disagree with it but really, you took a wrong turn doing this in GDP. It is just flat out wrong!

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Response to peace13 (Reply #56)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:46 PM

76. Ending the vitriol isn't wrong. It's a good idea.

And yes, that includes BOTH sides. We don't all have to learn to sing the same tune this afternoon or anything - but ending the hateful garbage dump this forum has become would be a good thing.

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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #76)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:57 PM

97. +1 ...

 

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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #76)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:59 PM

101. Seconded

We need to defeat Trump in November.

Also, I love Maru!

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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #76)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:50 PM

172. +3

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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #76)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:52 PM

176. Amen

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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #76)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:59 PM

265. ^^^This!!!

Thank you Autumn

As you pointed out to someone else, no one is saying to stop supporting your candidate of choice, you're simply asking for civility.

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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #76)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:16 PM

268. Here's what happened when I attempted to engage one of yours in bridge-building...

 

"You can ask President Trump his agenda, that might be special."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1792943

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #268)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:27 PM

274. Listen, we all have those. It's what you choose to do with it.

These posts greeted me in response to my post downthread which said:

Not a purge. A call for civility.
An end to the vitriolic smears against Democrats on a site for Democrats. And before you ask YES I think that vitriol against Bernie should stop as well.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1794354

and

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1795625

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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #76)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:17 PM

310. Very true

Some of this stuff has been over the top...good to stop it.

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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #76)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:21 AM

318. Lol, all of the sudden you hill fans want to play nice? Nt

 

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Response to Autumn (Reply #40)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:47 PM

77. No more arguing (here) from me.

 

No point in it. There are no undecideds here (and I have a huge number of Hillary acolytes on Ignore, anyway). I'm never voting for Hillary, regardless. So what would be the point?

Time to re-Trash GD: P.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #77)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:22 PM

200. Meh, screw the oligarchy smashing

 

Let's just go have a cold one.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #200)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:18 PM

269. Yea, let's let them have it...

 

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Response to Autumn (Reply #40)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:30 PM

147. Thank you, Autumn, for daring to speak the unspeakable.

 

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Response to Autumn (Reply #40)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:27 PM

273. That's right because it clearly does not matter which candidate is best, it would seem. nt

 

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Response to Autumn (Reply #40)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:00 AM

327. California hasn't even voted yet

If you close this forum now, I suspect that the Bernie Group members, who compose most of DU, will be slowly (or rapidly) drumed off Du or will leave for Jackpineradicals.org on their own.

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Response to peace13 (Reply #39)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:44 PM

276. Yes - what IS your point here????? n/t

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Response to Autumn (Reply #25)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:39 PM

157. Why did you call attention to Skinner you do not speak for me

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #157)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:48 PM

170. I didn't speak for you. I said Skinner should call it, officialy. We know where he stands.

We should quit trying to change Hillary supporters minds and concentrate on getting Bernie elected. Have any of us changed one single Hillary supporters mind here on DU?

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Response to Autumn (Reply #170)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:59 PM

222. I think the vitriol has hardened feelings

in both camps. The undecided voters that made up their minds here were probably pushed rather than pulled.

I appreciate your effort to make the remainder of the primary season more civil. Perhaps eliminating GDP will stop some of the more confrontational threads.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #25)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:36 PM

207. TREMENDOUS respect for you

I too will continue to support Bernie, but I like what you said here.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #25)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:20 AM

317. Then why this fucking post? Nt

 

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Response to peace13 (Reply #19)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:54 PM

93. Are you referring to Proudtobeliberal's post or the OP ...

 

If it's the former, I see absolutely nothing "divisive" about it (perhaps you can explain what I so clearly missed).

If your referencing the OP, I think the word you were looking for is "Disheartening" or "Disappointing"

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Response to ProudToBeLiberal (Reply #8)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:12 PM

21. You may need a remedial class on the use of punctuation.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #21)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:13 PM

24. My apologies, can you provide the correct punctuation? Thank you nt

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Response to ProudToBeLiberal (Reply #24)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:00 PM

102. Compare this OP, "Call it Skinner" with other OP's titled "Call it, Skinner."

 

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Response to ProudToBeLiberal (Reply #8)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:28 PM

48. Let me be clear here, I am NOT calling for a slow transition to GE setting.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #48)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:32 PM

55. Ok, but you are calling for some kind of transition. I didn't know how else to put it...nt

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Response to ProudToBeLiberal (Reply #55)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:33 PM

57. No I am not.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #57)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:36 PM

59. You want to stop arguing which candidate is better and start focusing on the issues.

It feels like a transition to me.

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Response to ProudToBeLiberal (Reply #59)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:09 PM

119. No, I want Sanders supporters to discuss the issues we face and work on getting Bernie elected .

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Response to Autumn (Reply #119)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:04 PM

226. I understand that desire. Respectfully, I think you're going about it the wrong way.

DU is far from being on the front lines of democracy, like it used to be, back in early 2000... but it does work great as a place to refine and define concepts and ideas. I agree that the rancor needs to be diminished (it'll never end... nature of politics), but what your pushing is going to silence all legitimate discussion about Bernie outside of the Bernie group.

It's using a guided missile to take out a fly.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #119)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:19 PM

235. Freudian slip? nt

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Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #235)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:04 PM

252. Where is the Freudian slip in what I posted?

No, I want Sanders supporters to discuss the issues we face and work on getting Bernie elected .

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Response to Autumn (Reply #57)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:40 PM

159. Then what is the comment for?

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #159)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:48 PM

220. it's anti-democratic to stifle debate, dissent, flow of info

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Response to ProudToBeLiberal (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:31 PM

54. Won't happen now. nt

 

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Response to ProudToBeLiberal (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:18 AM

315. Bullshit! Nt

 

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:45 PM

2. Call what?

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:51 PM

3. The primary, of course.

Some are so eager for the purge of Sanders supporters to begin in earnest that they're drooling a bit.

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Response to enlightenment (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:58 PM

5. um

hasn't this already been happening?

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Response to SandersDem (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:14 PM

27. Yes it has.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #27)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:50 PM

86. I don't know who thinks Hillary is going to win this election

 

Disaster of a candidate.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #86)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:52 PM

90. I can't see it.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #86)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:20 PM

135. Epically so.

 

Pushing 60 and can't think of a more damaged or damaging candidate in memory, Democrat or Republican.

Favors outsourcing and globalism, favors wars and sending immigrant children home into the arms of death, responsible for Obama's biggest international misstep and, to some degree, the formation of ISIS.

Disreputable, untrustworthy, and facing possible charges.

Good grief, what the hell is wrong with us?

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Response to CentralCoaster (Reply #135)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:34 PM

150. Honestly?

 

I don't know what the hell is wrong with us.

Damaged and damaging are the two words associated with this mess.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #150)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:27 PM

201. Just wanted to say goodbye, before, after the many urging Skinner to call the Primary for Clinton

He will and so many of us, certainly myself, will lose posting privileges, I had grown most fond of you.

Goodbye!

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #201)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:35 PM

204. Check your PM's before you go :)

 

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Response to Aerows (Reply #204)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:43 PM

212. You caught me just in time, I decided that since the site will no longer be welcome to me

I was just about to log off and use the remaining minutes I have on my Obama-phone to use for phone banking PA. (poorly named by the media given that he didn't even initiate the program, nonetheless, it is all I have and am glad to have it)

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #212)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:38 PM

275. Holy darn, dragonfli, you've been here forever. I will miss you. I fear all Bernie supporters...

 

...will be purged. I will probably lose my posting priveleges eventually, too.

There are other places online where Bernie supporters are congregating. Hope we see you elsewhere once we're killed off.

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Response to CentralCoaster (Reply #135)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:39 PM

244. +100 Packed with truth.

 

Thank you.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #86)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:47 PM

168. If it's HRC, I think the GE is going to be extremely close. HRC represents the establishment, and

a continuation of the establishment. Millions and millions hate the R and D establishments. Trump is counter-establishment, so he says. It's going to be really close, HRC is not a landslide shoe-in IMO.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #168)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:51 PM

174. I don't see her as a shoe-in, either.

 

It's going to be close, and we will get who we deserve.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #168)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:00 PM

179. I agree, but there's a good chance that TPTB would want HRC over Trump.

And, we vote on hackable computers in many, many places...

It's a tragedy all around if we can't get Bernie in to the White House, and if we don't we better fight to radically reform how we vote.

Hell, even if we somehow DO get Bernie in to the White House we better fight to radically reform how we vote.

LOTS of changes and improvements need to be made to make our country a more transparent, open, and fair democracy. Lots.

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Response to stillwaiting (Reply #179)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:35 PM

203. I agree so much, I just wonder how that will come about. Usually, it seems, change does not come

easily in America because of all of the entrenched politicans and those feeding at the public money trough, something they will not give up, and then all of the really big money invested interests, and then the MIC who wants continuous wars for $$$$$'s, and the rest of the herd.

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Response to stillwaiting (Reply #179)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:53 PM

250. Am positive TPTB want Hillary. Trump is a loose canon.

 

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Response to stillwaiting (Reply #179)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:34 PM

299. Excellent Points! FIX THE ENTIRE ELECTION PROCESS!

 

Apart from the obvious repeal of Citizens United...

we need to :

Abolish Electoral College asap.

Abolish Computerized voting machines and go back to PAPER ballots only, to be hand counted and verified.

Same day, Open Primaries by ballot, no caucuses.

Abolish "delegates" of any stripe.

Nominations are determined solely by voters.

Just for starters...

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Response to SandersDem (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:12 PM

191. To a degree.

But the real purge starts when the owners of the site declare that the primary is over (whether its over or not). At that point, the 'losers' are invited to:

1. Leave
2. Toe the line (by staying silent, usually - though there will be more calls for loyalty oaths)

Failing to adequately do 2. results in 1. - usually with a boot up the ass and a gleeful grave dance by the 'winners'.

I've been around DU for a long time. It's nasty.

I have read through this thread and still don't understand why Autumn is requesting that Skinner call it. Civility isn't going to magically happen afterward; indeed, all that will happen is a digital bloodbath. Those that are left will either be on-board with the candidate or they will be silent - but silence isn't necessarily civil in the minds of those who know they cannot speak without repercussions.

It's not something to look forward to, certainly.

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Response to enlightenment (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:08 PM

15. Not a purge. A call for civility.

An end to the vitriolic smears against Democrats on a site for Democrats. And before you ask YES I think that vitriol against Bernie should stop as well.

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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #15)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:01 PM

106. Meh. I don't have time to be nice to pro-war people.

 

Or pro-fracking. Or pro-private-prisons. Or pro-Wall Street.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #106)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:43 PM

162. Let's complete your list

 




And, BTW, why is a Bernie supporter calling to be purged? What did I miss?

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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #162)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:35 PM

206. I like that graphic

 

Very nice and concise!

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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #162)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:02 PM

224. Thank you. People need to know what they're voting for.

 

Thank you thank you thank you.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #106)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:22 PM

199. We don't need to be nice, just ignore the noise and concentrate on electing a candidate

that is willing protect and expand SS and avoid people who are ready to do studies or whatever the hell to "slow down" the effects of fossil fuels on our fragile environment.

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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #15)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:06 PM

229. Calls for civility are always the first defense of the status quo -

just what I would expect from the campaign of She Who Must Be Obeyed.

Is the nomination period over? Do we have a candidate? Or are the rules being rewritten now? If so, let's have a big post from the admins telling us so and we can all make our choices as to whether we need to be here.

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Response to enlightenment (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:19 PM

197. I think "real" Sanders supporters

Are good people, it's the right wing trolls that have taken over this board that need to be purged. Anyone who is not one of the trolls has nothing to worry about.

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #197)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:25 PM

237. I'm guessing there a lot of your right wing trolls in Hill's camp too.

 

If not she has some scary supporters!

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:54 PM

4. What happened last time around?

with Obama and Clinton.. Anyone remember? I don't, but I'm curious.

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Response to G_j (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:01 PM

7. It ran until Clinton finally conceded.

 

I don't even remember people questioning that it should be called.

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Response to peace13 (Reply #7)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:06 PM

11. That makes sense. nt

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Response to peace13 (Reply #7)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:26 PM

44. Yes, there was a lot of it

the PUMAs were in full voice and there were a lot of calls to end the the primaries forum early. I can't remember when the admins finally did it but I think it was before she conceded in June.

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Response to sharp_stick (Reply #44)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:04 PM

112. The primaries

Continued until they were all concluded.

Hillary had the popular votes, he had the pledged delegates. When she realized the supers were going for him , she conceded. She then asked her supporters to support him, nominated him at the convention. She was very gracious.

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Response to apcalc (Reply #112)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:02 PM

281. She did not concede until after the last possible primary was over--and she had met with Obama.

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Response to merrily (Reply #281)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:47 PM

301. It took some time for her to come out.

 

I remember that she set up a press conference to concede and failed to show. I don't know how many days it was before she met with Obama and then did in fact speak to the people.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:02 PM

9. Autumn, do you moderate the Bernie Sanders Group?

 

If so why would you post this?

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Response to peace13 (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:06 PM

12. Because she's a Democrat. The Supreme Court is too important.

We need to be united in order to defeat the likes of Donald Trump and the Republican party.

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Response to ProudToBeLiberal (Reply #12)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:31 PM

52. The makeup of the Supreme Court is extremely important. nt

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Response to peace13 (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:08 PM

13. Yes I do. The longer the arguments go on the more damage is done, the

issues languish by the wayside and there is no discussion of the problems facing us.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:13 PM

23. that's really disappointing

Perhaps you should take a time out from hosting the Sanders group. I say that respectfully.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #23)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:15 PM

28. No I don't plan on doing that. nt

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Response to Autumn (Reply #28)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:39 PM

64. Honest question.



Do you think that anything we do is worse than what the republicans will say?

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Response to Loudestlib (Reply #64)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:03 PM

108. so...your argument is that you want to come to a Dem site and act like a Republican? wow nt

 

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Response to Loudestlib (Reply #64)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:20 PM

134. What we Bernie supporters say here about Hillary is mild compared to what republicans

will say. And what we criticize her on is her own actions and words. Sometimes the truth is uncomfortable for some. Here's an honest question for you. Do you think arguing with Hillary supporters here on this forum will change any minds at all?

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Response to Autumn (Reply #134)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:06 PM

183. this is an unacceptable rationale for your call to Skinner.

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Response to bbgrunt (Reply #183)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:10 PM

188. Then ignore it. I'm not the first to post this.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #188)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:42 PM

211. It feels like a stab in the back--not easily ignored.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #28)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:08 PM

117. Then maybe another Sanders group

could be started.

The Bernie Sanders campaign is about fighting the establishment. Speaking out is foundational and the first step in fighting against the big machine establishment.

You're talking about quelling opinion and dissent, which makes absolutely no sense.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #117)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:57 PM

303. Please consider the Populist Reform Group

 

I let it rest in deference to the Bernie Group, now seems like a good time to start posting again...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1277

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Response to grasswire (Reply #23)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:15 PM

30. Wow, Autumn has been one of the best supporter and fighter for Bernie on DU.

She has done a lot of stuff behind the scenes that no one knows about. She has poured her heart and soul for Bernie.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #23)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:16 PM

31. Great advice!

 

Or possibly head on over to the Hill Camp because I don't think it's working for her over here! Please don't taze me bro, but with friends like this........

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Response to peace13 (Reply #31)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:18 PM

34. Continue arguing here on DU. It has worked out so well.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #34)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:27 PM

47. I have refrained from arguing for the most part.

 

There is no arguing with many and no point to it. But you posting this while hosting the Bernie group is out of line. The least you could have done was bring it up for discussion in the group. That is just wrong.

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Response to peace13 (Reply #47)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:30 PM

50. This does not need to be discussed in a protected group.

You may have refrained from arguing for the most part, others have not.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #50)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:37 PM

61. Let me get this straight?

 

You put this out here so that people who disagree and speak out will be subject to hides and call outs from the Hill camp? In my mind this is a disbanding of the group. You are suggesting what? That there will be no more discussion about Sanders in GDP or in the Bernie group. Please clarify!

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Response to peace13 (Reply #61)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:44 PM

75. You think that Bernie supporters are not already subject to hides and call outs?

No this is in no way a disbanding of the group. of course there will be discussion about Sanders in GDP and in the Bernie group. This is not over by a long shot. Bernie is staying in this race and it is up to us to work and support him and get him elected. I upped my donation this morning.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #75)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:51 PM

88. What exactly were you asking Skinner to do? I am confused.

 

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Response to peace13 (Reply #61)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:02 PM

304. If anyone has issues with Autumn's OP, tell it in the PRG

 

The Populist Reform Group.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1277

The group all but died when Bernie announced, but that was fine, Bernie deserves the focus. Time to kick it back in gear...

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Response to grasswire (Reply #23)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:47 PM

79. Sorry, but who cares about hosting or doing secret groups anyway? If you don't have the guts to post

 

something in a public forum, perhaps that thing should not be posted at all anyway.

Posting something that is seen by all but can be commented on by only some is divisive and creepy.

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #79)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:04 PM

111. I have been here for over ten years.

 

Never had a hide or block. Three weeks ago I had two hides in a matter of hours. On one I was vindicated down thread but of course could not comment or have it removed. The other was something that was nothing. Boom. Lucky for you if it never happened to you. As far as the Clinton group goes, I believe that it holds the record for the most blocked people. I believe a precedent was set and now we are being asked to calm down and join in the fun. As far as a private group goes, they are all open unless a person becomes 'disruptive' in accordance with the host.

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Response to peace13 (Reply #111)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:07 PM

115. Blocked long ago by Hillary group for essentially nothing.

 

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #115)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:28 PM

141. And I was blocked from the Sanders group for the same.

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #115)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:48 PM

169. Last week a guy was hidden because he said Howard Dean sold out . . that was all he said

 

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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #169)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:34 AM

291. I think you're talking about

 

beam me up scottie (BMUS).

She's a favorite target of alert stalkers, but we're lucky to have her back. If you think things are bad now, wait until Skinner caves to the whiners (e.g., http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910112) and then you'll really see some grade-school behavior around here.

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Response to bvf (Reply #291)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:43 PM

300. Yes, it was bmus. . They should have some way to protest this kind of nonsense.

 

Totally UNDemocratic.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #23)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:36 PM

155. +1000 [n/t]

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Response to grasswire (Reply #23)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:15 AM

323. "Perhaps you should take a time out from hosting the Sanders group."

Couldn't agree more.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:15 PM

29. There's plenty "discussion of the problems facing us"

 

We've been discussing the Clintons.

Are you done with Sanders? Then consider dropping out as a host.

And of course, thanks for your past support.

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Response to Wilms (Reply #29)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:17 PM

32. I don't plan on doing that. I'm still donating and supporting Bernie and will continue to do so.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #32)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:20 PM

36. Then what is that you implore Skinner to "call"?

 

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Response to Wilms (Reply #29)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:38 PM

62. No we are busy defending Bernie from nasty baseless attacks like Popegate and shit like that by

some democrats and no I have no plans to step down.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #62)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:47 PM

80. Sorry that I'm having a hard time understanding.

 

What is it that you are referring to when you ask Skinner to "call it"?

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Response to Autumn (Reply #62)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:30 PM

146. Good luck on defending Bernie. And thank you for all that you do.

 

It's a ruthless bunch and a problem. If you could see the folks you were arguing with you wouldn't waste your breath. Pope gate, stripper dollars, he looked cross eyed at her during the debate, those are accusations made by reasonless people. It is genius because it is defenseless, especially if you have to be concerned about hides and such. There is no de powering it or stopping it. If Skinner is OK with this kind of activity then there is only so much we can do. IMO it would be better to have a standard response when the beast starts slinging feces. In the old days we used to just let it drop. When an OP is built for reaction just let it drop. I don't know that that is the answer here but something like that could work. I can't imagine trying to defend Bernie at every turn here. You must be exhausted.

After my hides and block I realized that you can't fight a fight that isn't built on reason. Take care!

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Response to Autumn (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:24 PM

42. You're kidding yourself if you imagine that issues will be discussed

once Bernie drops out of the race. The target will shift, but the tactics won't.

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #42)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:25 PM

43. Exactly so! The targets will change

I'm fond of my fellow Bernie supporters

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Response to Autumn (Reply #43)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:29 PM

49. "Calling it" won't help that, either. The most it will do is shift the time frame. n/t

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #49)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:31 PM

53. It doesn't matter if it's called now or later or 6 months ago. nt

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Response to Autumn (Reply #53)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:40 PM

68. If it doesn't matter, then don't press for it.

Bernie will have more clout to have his (and our) issues talked about if he takes it to the convention. And despite sneering references being made about the Indictment Fairy, Hillary is in peril. Even if the DOJ doesn't have the guts to prosecute, an FBI recommendation to pursue charges will be deadly, for her and for us, in November. I'd rather meet that threat with a strong back-up plan.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #53)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:00 PM

104. This is an interesting tactic. Only 1 good reason for a BS supporter to do this. Carry on. n/t

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Response to Autumn (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:35 PM

58. Perhaps you should rethink this Autumn.

Very disappointed with yesterday's result but it ain't over til it's over.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:44 PM

164. It isn't for you to speak for the rest of the Bernie supporters. That's your opinion perhaps you

should have worded it personally for you.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #164)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:00 PM

178. I speak for only myself, no one else.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:18 PM

233. Wow, you cave easy, not sure you are paying attention. Nt

 

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Response to Autumn (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:30 AM

319. What damage? Calling her out? You really are missing the point! Nt

 

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:03 PM

10. Why so many of these threads?

I'm a Hillary supporter, and I find these threads tiresome.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:09 PM

16. Then check back in 5 minutes. Someone will post another one.

 

And on it will go, on Dramaqueen Underground.

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Response to closeupready (Reply #16)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:40 PM

67. LOL!

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Response to cwydro (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:10 PM

18. Use trash thread, a delightful little tool Skinner has provided.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #18)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:17 PM

33. Nah, I don't use that or the ignore function.

More fun to watch and see who wants to stir up trouble.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #18)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:31 AM

320. Nope, I want these posts exposed! Nt

 

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Response to cwydro (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:42 PM

73. Then don't read them. It's as simple as that. This is a discussion forum. ;)

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Response to Stand and Fight (Reply #73)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:48 PM

83. Once upon a time...

It was considered bad form to post duplicates again and again.

There are at least three of them that I've seen today,

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Response to cwydro (Reply #83)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:24 PM

138. Unless they're by the same person or in the LBN forum, it's not considered a duplicate.

Once upon a time or ever.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:08 PM

14. Autumn. You are overlooking the fact that HRC might be found to have violated law by the FBI

If Bernie throws in the towel, and that happens before the Convention, we will all officially be up a creek. I think we should be talking about alternatives to Hillary, not forming a wagon around her. Hillary already has a dozen arrows in her, and let's continue to work to make sure she isn't by some perverse fluke coronated as the party's candidate.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #14)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:12 PM

20. The indictment fairy is a Republican myth they tell each other when they gather round the campfire

and talk about FEMA camps and death panels.

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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #20)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:47 PM

218. BTW: I also think an actual Indictment is unlikely. The more likely scenario is that Comey finds

that Hillary violated the terms of her signed classified information agreement. That should be it - she'll release her delegates and the party poohbahs determine at the Convention who to appoint them to. The AG will run out the clock, and Obama will pardon her just as Bill pardoned his disgraced CIA Director John Deutch. Everyone from the President down should be really pissed at her for putting us through this.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #14)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:12 PM

22. Yes we should continue to work to elect Bernie. No minds will be changed here on this board.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #22)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:19 PM

35. Why not just take a break?

 

Voting to disband this seems like more than a one person call. How about an OP asking people's opinions? Oh.....let Skinner do it even though he already has stated the rules. Speechless!

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Response to Autumn (Reply #22)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:41 PM

70. It's one thing to sing Bernie's praises...

And a whole 'nother thing to use Bernie's campaign as an excuse to trash Hillary.

Folks should continue to talk him up, but it's hurting the future of the Democratic Party to trash what is likely to be the future leader of the party.

Of course that goes both ways. Even if Clinton wins the nomination (which is extremely likely at this point) we all still want Sanders as a voice on the national scene for Democratic Party issues.

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Response to Blanks (Reply #70)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:13 PM

126. You are so lost if you think for a second that any SBS supporter is obligated to protect Clinton

in ANY way!

Do your own job for your dear leader. We ARE trying to protect the Dem Party.

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #126)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:23 PM

137. I defended both Clinton for over 14-15 years. I won't waste another second defending her.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #137)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:29 PM

142. You lasted far longer with that than I Autumn. Soldier on...

in every season...

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Response to Blanks (Reply #70)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:06 PM

182. Discussing issues isn't trashing Hillary. If she's going to play it dirty, folks are going to call

her on it. You have to admit there are many republican plays in her book.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:10 PM

17. Super Delegate flees Bernie and moves to Hillary

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511793391

the vitriol here needs to stop....and it won't happen while there isn't a call made for who we should coalesce around.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #17)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:14 PM

26. I don't even need for us to coalesce around a candidate - but the vitriol

That needs to stop.

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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #26)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:20 PM

37. Yes, that could have stood a year ago!

 

Pretty sure you don't think it's one sided!

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Response to peace13 (Reply #37)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:22 PM

38. indeed I do not think it is one-sided

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #17)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:49 PM

85. Does anybody recognize that the lead Hillary has is so much less than the lead The Donald has in the

 

the Republican contest which everybody says is such a horse race?

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #85)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:06 PM

114. "everybody" who?

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Response to fleabiscuit (Reply #114)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:08 PM

116. The mass media, which gives them 24 hours news time versus our race which gets no coverage.

 

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #116)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:37 PM

156. Hmm, I try to avoid the masses. It all seems so stepfordish.

Silver's site has an interesting slant today imho. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trump-is-no-ronald-reagan/

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #17)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:29 PM

143. Where was the support for the post? One link didn't work, the other link was just a person on their


twitter account posting one attack after another against Bernie.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:24 PM

41. What's the most you ever lost on a coin toss?



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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:26 PM

45. Moderator or not, how undemocratic to just type, 'call it'....she is one voice.

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Reply #45)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:04 PM

110. This is a privately owned and operated message board ...

 

not subject to democratic rule.

I do wish, however, it had more Democratic rule.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:27 PM

46. Thank you Autumn.

I hope that both sides here at DU can turn to the national campaign. Trump will be more difficult to defeat than most realize. We need to begin focusing on the task now.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:30 PM

51. Please No, not until we stop seeing one Bernie bashing thread after another. Not until we see a hand

reached out to the Bernie supporters from Hillary AND her supporters.

There is too much vitriol right now to wrap this up.
Including this:



Seems like there is still too much fight left on both sides to call it.

And I guarantee the replies to this very post will be further proof of that.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:37 PM

60. call what? no one has dropped out. this is still an active primary.

are we not supposed to advocate for our candidate, who is still running? and how do we advocate without calling attention to the differences between them?

its hillary's fault she is such a weak candidate, not ours. i will not abandon bernie as long as he is fighting for us.

and if anyone risks dividing the party and causing irreparable harm, it is her and her corrupt machine.

sorry, autumn. i like and respect you, but i will not kiss the queens ring. not now, not ever


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Response to restorefreedom (Reply #60)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:39 PM

63. By all means we must continue to support and work to get Bernie elected.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #63)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:40 PM

66. well, then, there is work to be done! :) nt

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Response to restorefreedom (Reply #66)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:51 PM

87. Yes there is. Bernie will stay in the race, he has said so. Bernie decides when it's over.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #87)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:54 PM

94. i really want to see the convention :) nt

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Response to restorefreedom (Reply #94)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:57 PM

98. I can't wait.

It will be epic

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Response to Autumn (Reply #98)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:57 PM

99. :) nt

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Response to restorefreedom (Reply #94)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:08 PM

305. It's promising to make Chicago '68

look like a walk in the park.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #63)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:41 PM

71. But not here? When people are asking for Skinner to "call it" they mean no more pro-Bernie posts.

Last edited Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:20 PM - Edit history (1)

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #71)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:47 PM

78. Nothing in the TOS would limit pro Bernie posts. What would be limited

 

is the anti-HRC dreck.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #78)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:52 PM

91. The sentence "I'm voting for Bernie Sanders in the GE as a write in" will get you banned


if HRC is the presumed nominee.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #91)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:03 PM

109. Yes it will. Ask L0on about posting what others are doing elsewhere

and ask Manny what happened when he said he wouldn't vote for Hillary. That was well before the primary voting started.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #109)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:10 PM

121. They were banned, apparently, for making the case that others should follow that path.


Which I don't think is entirely true, but I think that was the rationale -- not merely describing their own vote.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #121)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:14 PM

128. No not at all. L0on posted an article from a legitimate site with no comment.

It is what it is.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #128)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:17 PM

132. I don't think you are remembering correctly. Check loonix's transparency page.


Posting Privileges Revoked

Revoked on Nov 4, 2015
Reason Posted a thread urging DU members to sign a pledge stating that they will not vote for the Democratic nominee for president if the nominee is someone other than their chosen primary candidate.


You're right that he didn't comment on the article and that's why his banning was a partisan ban, but that's not the way the admins see it.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #71)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:18 PM

133. Hmmm...








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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:40 PM

65. Wow, Autumn.

Bernie is at 50 % nationally. Hillary is challenged on so many fronts and underwater in her numbers. I am amazed and a bit disappointed that you posted this.

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Response to Melissa G (Reply #65)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:28 PM

255. Agree completely

 

I'm amazed and disappointed too.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:40 PM

69. Unrec. n/t

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:42 PM

72. Glad you don't speak for me.

 

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:42 PM

74. I think the arrogance and hubris of some here have poisoned the water like the fracking they so

 

love. I don't think calling it now will help. I suspect that a number of people here will leave when then they are required to "sit down and shut up." I personally can't stand quietly by and watch our hopes for a return to democracy and a fair economy fly away. There is still a lot of fighting to do and I plan on continuing long after the nomination. But I will be fighting for Democratic principles that are disparage by some here.

I feel if Skinner calls it, it will be the ultimate slap in the face for the progressives here.

PS: Autumn, you have my greatest respect.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #74)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:15 PM

130. We Sanders supporters are simply a guest in this house.

From what I an reading, unwelcome guests. Know what I mean?

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Response to Autumn (Reply #130)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:37 PM

209. Not true.

If you were guests, you would have been thrown out some time ago for shitting on the carpet.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #209)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:18 PM

254. The you need to quit slacking and make sure Skinner throws the rest of us out zappa nt

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Response to Autumn (Reply #254)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:51 PM

266. I couldn't care less if you stay or go.

People come, people go.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:48 PM

81. It's a skinner!!

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:48 PM

82. Nothing but pro democratic party from me from now on...

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:48 PM

84. You should be ashamed.

Although your tag is Autumn, you really are a Summer soldier and a Sunshine Patriot.

Thomas Paine: "These are the times that try men's souls: The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman."

Thanks for nothing!

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Response to BillZBubb (Reply #84)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:52 PM

89. Back up the truck

 

I don't know who you think you are, but you are not in any way, shape or form insulting Autumn like that.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #89)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:11 PM

124. Thanks.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #124)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:16 PM

131. None necessary

 

that was a bullshit sideswipe on your character and I don't care for that.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #131)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:21 PM

136. We Sanders supporters should understand we are a guest in this house and from what I see

we are unwelcome guests at that.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #136)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:25 PM

140. You are going to have to indulge me on this one.

 

When I see bullshit, I'm not going to call it caviar. It isn't in my nature.

I don't care who owns the house.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #140)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:30 PM

144. I will always indulge you my dear friend.

I don't want to lose any of our Bernie supporters. We need each other.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #136)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:30 PM

145. This unwelcome guest

will be spending the next four years in the photo group. LOL.

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #145)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:31 PM

148. You *do* take great pictures.

 

I'll be in cooking and baking.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #148)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:35 PM

154. Thanks, Aerows.

I might join you there in Cooking and Baking. I like to do that, too. . And, of course, there's the gardening forum which is also something I enjoy.

I'm really about politicked out, at least on the national level. How we vote in Alaska in presidential elections is so inconsequential as to be meaningless, so I'm not sure why I even bother to get involved. State elections are another matter, and that's probably where I'll be turning my attention.

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #154)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:50 PM

171. I think I'm about politicked out, too

 

Speaking of gardening, I saw some CRAZY huge vegetables and fruit grown up your way.

I've never seen anything like it! Mind you, I live down south and couldn't get cucumbers and squash to quit growing, but dang, I saw enormous tomatoes and other fruit grown up there!

Is it the soil, or maybe just the climate being cold? I know you probably won't have citrus (we give it away, here), but vegetables seem to love it where you are!

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Response to Aerows (Reply #171)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:17 PM

232. Yes, they grow really humongous veggies in the Matanuska Valley

just north of here - four-pound carrots, 90-pound cabbages, kohlrabis as big as your head. I think it's the combination of really fertile soil, glacial minerals and 20 hours of daylight in the summer. You can almost literally watch stuff grow here. The veggie weigh-ins at the state fair are always a big deal.



My garden is pretty normal, though, although I do grow remarkable rhubarb. It's right next to the compost bin.


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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #232)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:21 PM

236. Holy cow!

 

A 4lbs. carrot!?

And excuse me, but DAMN that's a humongous cabbage. I LOVE cabbage. That thing nearly weighs as much as I do!

I would do my darndest though - fry up some bacon to get some delicious potlikker going, fry that bad boy up and YUM, tear into that. I chop it into wedges, that way it doesn't wilt and preserves a wonderful texture.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #236)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:29 PM

239. It ain't pretty, but it wins the prize




Pie?



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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #239)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:30 PM

240. Dear heavens

 

Get the industrial sized grater!

Y'all make some seriously sized vegetables up there.

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #232)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:54 PM

279. 20 hours of daylight?

I can just imagine what that does for the pot crops.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #89)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:01 PM

181. +1

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #181)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:15 PM

193. You are good people, Agshcmid

 

We disagree on certain things, but overall, your heart is in the right place.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #193)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:16 PM

194. I try. :)

You too.

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Response to BillZBubb (Reply #84)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:10 PM

122. "eating their own", seems to be your tack. It's in very poor taste n/t

 

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #122)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:14 PM

127. I agree with you

 

we don't need to go there.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:53 PM

92. Big UNREC

 

Bernie has not dropped out.

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Response to 840high (Reply #92)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:56 PM

95. Yet

 

No one knows why he abandoned ship suddenly and rushed back to Vermont.

Shouldn't he be campaigning??

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:56 PM

96. Autumn can support Bernie and still post this OP

For those giving Autumn a hard time in this thread.

In 2008, at this point in the primaries, I knew Hillary was probably not going to get the nom -- it was almost sure, even though she was closer to Obama then than Bernie is to her now.

But, I still supported her, I still donated to her.

Why?

Because it was important to me. Her campaign was important to me. I also was looking forward: to a possible cabinet post with Obama's Administration (which happened), to a possible Presidential run in 2016 (which is happening).

I also knew, as bitter as I sometimes was, that Hillary would support Obama after the dust settled, and so would I, as sad as I was that the first viable woman running for President didn't get the nom.

So, props to you, Autumn, for looking forward to November, but also being loyal to your candidate. Well done, you.


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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:58 PM

100. All of your recs are the usual suspects. Get some rest Autumn. This doesn't help anything.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #100)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:00 PM

105. I'll proudly take the title of

 

the "usual suspects" even though I didn't rec the thread.

Some of the people here being rude are what wrecks this thread and it does no one any good.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:00 PM

103. If i offended anyone outside of GDPeeee I apologize.

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #103)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:06 PM

113. You didn't necessarily

 

but there are some people throwing horseshit around here like it is going out of style and it needs to f***-ing stop.

There is no need to cast aspersions at each other, we will need each other going forward.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:01 PM

107. play until the final whistle.

 

most rational lefties know hillary is a flawed candidate. theres no point in dems trying to overlook or obsficate that in the primary process. hillary has to answer to all on the political left 1st.

but the dnc faithful better hope hills ge campaign wont solely be im not trump.

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Response to radical noodle (Reply #118)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:09 PM

120. LMAO

 

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #120)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:12 PM

125. OMG.

It Berns

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Response to Autumn (Reply #125)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:24 PM

139. I think I "get it." The OP is not for the people, it's for "the children"....

 



feel the Bern!










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Response to CentralCoaster (Reply #139)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:01 PM

180. .

By Jove I think you've got it.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:10 PM

123. I have just called it for reading your posts Autumn

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:15 PM

129. My sentiments exactly

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:32 PM

149. This is a great website, but it's also a great business.

I've never seen DU like this, but I have seen other websites go down for less.

Fewer posters, fewer dollars...

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:34 PM

151. I've loved you and your posts for years, but. You have lost me on this, Sanders has no media voice .

Why would you call for yet more silencing of Sanders and his issues? Should we shutter JPR as well? Close the Sanders portion of discussion on Reddit?

The only reason I have chosen to post here rather than in a purely Sanders echo chamber, is not for the love of being derided and insulted on a constant basis by people of vile sentiment that lack empathy for those not comfortably fed and housed. I do so for those that will be horribly affected by neo-liberal policies, my people, my poor and working poor class people, that are struggling for their lives. I refuse to give the Corporate voice yet one more Blue Nation Review type source willingly, let alone call for such! My people need as many voices in the wilderness as possible!

It may be easy to wish, to ask, or even beg for this call to disarm, to condemn yet more voices to the silence unheard, (as is already the case in the media proper) for one in a more financially comfortable demographic that will not be affected nearly as much by neo-liberal austerity, job outsourcing, or even more cruelty by war that will turn people's children into cripples or leave them with permanent mental and emotional problems, if not death itself. Not to mention the millions of brown people, the bulk of which will be innocent civilians that will die via cluster bomb laden carpet bombing.

I write here because I write on behalf of my people, those that do not enjoy comfortable lives and whose lives WILL be drastically and negatively affected. Those whose poor children will comprise the bulk of the wounded and dying soldiers sent to do the neocons bidding.

For some, this is not a "sport", not a game to walk away from because one grows bored when the "team" loses some points in the "game". For some this is an important fight, not for purity, idealism or a chance to post pretty words that later prove hollow, for some this is a life altering, life threatening fight for a chance to survive and thrive, even as the suburban "activists" shrug and say, "well, at least I gave it a bit of a shot for a time, oh well, my favorite show is on TV and/or the lawn needs mowing later."

There are many people that read this site that never post, I do NOT expect a small group of personality cultists to be swayed HERE by anything I write, but I do expect some that just read MAY, just as some may see the black hearts of the loud (hopefully not the majority of) Clinton vitriolic hatred to be exposed as they deride and insult me.

I write here for a reason, an important one to me, and yet you want me and mine to go quietly into that dark night. Long shot or not, the primary is not over that should be all that matters, so no, it is not time to "call the race for Clinton" nor call for all for the mass PPR's you are advocating for, wittingly or unwittingly.

to some of us in this country, the long shot is far more important than you apparently realize. I will spell out who I write for, those below the class of most of the posters here. The demographic that birthed me, and which will envelope me in death.


From my perspective, the party I joined thirty nine years ago was a party I believed in and so gave my loyalty, It was the party of The New Deal, The Great Society and at the time I joined also the party of civil liberty, equal rights and a war against poverty. I see a party in 2016 that is not that party. The question of my loyalty now becomes murky. I think my loyalty now only belongs to my class and because Bernie Sanders shares this loyalty to my class, I must support him every way possible.

So many in the party leadership and the party overall are comfortable and this place of comfort has made them cold to the reality that is daily life for a great many people.

They make many assumptions from ivory towers of middle class or wealth with little awareness it would seem of those that are lower middle class (quickly falling into poverty even tho they work harder with multiple McJobs than they did before lower middle class meant poverty).

As to the poor - they seem completely oblivious to them and convince themselves that welfare reform didn't harm anybody, I know Hill and Bill believe this, but it did and does to this day I assure you, it was not a pragmatic solution to a "welfare queen" problem handled well because a Democrat helped to all but destroy it. It will not be a brave pragmatic solution to "earned benefit queens" they will likely label SS beneficiaries, as they collude yet again with republicans to begin to shred these last vestiges of the new deal and great society.

They cause the poor to become poorer still while so many in the party applaud the politicians responsible. Their applause and support are what make them just as responsible as their political idols.

They think this is a game, or a sport with my team and their team, not realizing or caring that the ball that is tossed around in this sport is a child that only gets to eat at school and will soon lose that food, or the ball is an elderly widow or widower that can only afford to take their medicine every other day or maybe will freeze to death in a small flat during a winter they could not pay their gas bill (this happens ALREADY where I live).

There are many other balls tossed around for their sport and amusement, too many to list them all here, some are dead or dying, some are living under a tarp in a vacant lot hoping the cops don't roust them or the suburban teenagers don't decide to slum it and amuse themselves by assaulting them while laughing and taunting the "bum" for cell phone footage. Some of these comfortable people give advice to "the poor that in fact do OK" as a famous DLC Democrat once said. One of the Conservative DU posters once even suggested dumpster diving as a viable and reasonable option.

Too many of them applaud policies and politicians that make all these problems worse, they need to get it through their heads, many are dying and more will die of poverty, this is no game and the poor aren't doing OK, they are doing worse all the time with less help available all the time.


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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #151)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:43 PM

161. I love you. DU is not the media, we are told constantly DU in no way represents the real world.

Arguing with DUers changes not one single mind here. We should post about Bernie and where he stands on the issues all we can. Here on DU at our beloved Jackpine and in other places as well. The time spent defending him from nasty baseless attacks from Hillary supporters here is a waste of time ,we change no minds here.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #161)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:09 PM

187. I read posts here since 2001 beore I joined in 2004, there are READERS to consider, I beg and

implore you, retract your call for changing this very real online media source to effectively become yet another Brock propaganda network site like the Blue Nation Review. As well as the following actions after such a change that will result in massive purges of those not towing the Clinton line (an unintended consequence in your mind when thinking of doing this, I am sure, but a very real next step occurrence, be that known to you or not)

Sale Of Blue Nation Review Gives Hillary Clinton Camp Its Very Own Media Outlet

WASHINGTON — Hillary Clinton ally David Brock is acquiring a media outlet, sources involved in the negotiation and sale of the site tell The Huffington Post.

True Blue Media, a newly formed company incorporated by Brock, has acquired progressive news website Blue Nation Review. BNR’s previous owner, MOKO Social Media Limited, will retain a 20 percent stake in the new entity while Brock will hold the remaining 80 percent equity balance. The sale was finalized Monday night.

Peter Daou, digital media strategist for Clinton’s 2008 campaign, will serve as the new CEO of True Blue Media.


Please, do not make me see you in such a horrible light, after considering you a beacon of light for so many years.
If you wish me on my knees literally, I will do so with head bowed, you may not see it, but I am always true to my word and I will do so if that would change your mind.

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #151)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:47 PM

167. Beautiful post Dragonfli. Thank you! Keep writing and fighting for us!

Hell no, we won't go!

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Response to haikugal (Reply #167)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:17 PM

196. Once Skinner "calls it" I wil no longer be allowed to do so here, doing so at a Sanders only site

would have zero effect to help those I care about, much lower readership, and only visited by Sanders supporters that need not read my words to Grok anything as they are already there.

If it is "called for Clinton" by Skinner at Autumn's and other's request before I get a chance to exchange posts with you again, likely within hours now that a well known and well respected in-site Bernie Supporter that Runs the Sanders group.


Goodbye my friend! perhaps my journal will still be available after I am tomb stoned (not really sure how that works)


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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #196)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:36 PM

242. No sense worrying about what might happen. Keep writing! We have to be flexible and smart..

We're in it to win it. Bernie didn't get his ass handed him yesterday. She did what she had to do (with many irregularities) to continue and Bernie did well. We still have a race and Bernie is the better candidate. I don't know why anyone would lose heart and call it now.

Not me. If they do a DKOS here they will regret it in so many ways...I think they're already feeling it. If they do we'll find a work around, it's what we do.

Keep writing. Keep speaking out!

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #151)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:27 PM

202. thanks Dragonfli, I feel the same.

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #151)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:55 PM

298. Huge +1!

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:34 PM

152. Wow. Even with all the shit-stirring posts here, THIS post is hands-down the most disappointing.

For months, the Bernie Sanders group at DU has been my refuge, the people there my fellow travelers. If this is how the "leadership" of the Sanders group feels, I have to question why they are there at all, and what the group has really been for since it was set up. Is it really just a big Trojan Horse????

At the very least, Autumn, this post should have been in the Sanders group before it was unleashed on GDP. That is, if you're a genuine Sanders supporter, and have any regard for the rest of us you've been pretending to be on board with.

So fucking disappointed.



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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:34 PM

153. Good grief.

Hopeless.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:40 PM

158. I find it very amusing that you think ...

the Bernie group, or all of DU, is big enough to cause appreciable harm to the Clinton machine. Now, one Bully with a Bullhorn, that's significant.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:41 PM

160. Is the lack of a comma significant?

I think we can certainly call this Skinner's BOARD. So shall we call it Skinner rather than Underground?

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:44 PM

163. Why is discussion so threatening on a discussion board?

What is everybody so afraid of? Oh, wait, I think I know.

Most of us don't come here to persuade anyone to change sides, but for information, to get it and exchange it. And THAT'S what some would like to shut down the flow of, especially about certain topics such as the ones the FBI is interested in.

Well isn't that patriotic? And from a host of the Sanders group? Wow.

I've written it numerous times this week, but one more "true colors".

If Skinner does as you ask, I will still get information and will still discuss Hillary but it won't be here, and I won't be back. But I think and I hope that Skinner has better sense than that.

We will see, as we wait for more to reveal who they are.

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Response to Waiting For Everyman (Reply #163)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:09 PM

186. We should continue to post and discuss the important issues you spoke about in your post.

But has any defense of Bernie in the many recent OPs that have slandered and mocked him, take for instance the Rome trip, done one ounce of good? Has it changed a single mind?

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Response to Autumn (Reply #186)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:00 PM

223. You are using the wrong metric, IMO

You are considering Hillary posters on this site who haven't changed their minds.

Many others read this board, some who post rarely and some who never post. We don't have any way of knowing how many minds have changed in that group. I'm sure some have, and that it makes a difference for some statements and policies to be challenged here, on the record, for all to see.

So I very much disagree with this OP.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #186)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:46 AM

289. I don't care what those posts say, I "Trash Can" them.

I "Trash Canned" all but a very few of those Rome posts, they didn't bother me a bit! I looked to see what kind of absurd bull was being said, and bang! in the can they went.

The other side only ever posts talking points and random slanderous nonsense, so I miss nothing by trashing those posts. Occasionally if nobody else did, I will post something straightening out a sneakily misleading lie. But after that's done once, anything more is a waste of time.

That isn't new, I've been doing that with mostly those same posters for a LONG time, even before the primary. It's like a bigger version of "Ignore". Then too, a person, such as yourself, can "Trash Can" this whole forum. There's no need to call for it to be shut down for others who do not agree with you.

I don't see the problem. I think this was unnecessary and destructive. Now, people like Dragonfli (who I was sad to see said goodbye above) may not come back. (smh)

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:45 PM

165. OK, it's Skinner

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:47 PM

166. Bernie supporters do not feel the same way as Clinton supporters. Autumn should not have

spoken for all of us. She should have spoken personally for herself. This is not the end of Bernie. We are going as far as he wants to. We are fighting for issues Clinton will never touch or even consider that is why we are his supporters.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #166)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:51 PM

173. Autumn does not speak for me.

 

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Response to 840high (Reply #173)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:39 PM

243. She only speaks for herself...I'm with Bernie and Bernie is with me!

Let's go 840high...we have a scrappy candidate to support!

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #166)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:08 PM

185. Agree, this was a huge mistake.

OP definitely doesn't speak for me either.

It's misguided in its totality, but it definitely should have been done in the Sanders group first, and should not have requested action that will affect all Sanders DUers, not just herself.

It's really a shocking thing to do. Very patronizing.

Very much agree that I'm with Sanders through the whole process to the convention, and as far as he wants to go.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:51 PM

175. I really don't get it. I didn't read all the posts here but you sound like you should get some long

 

good rest for some time. What you say just sounds like you are exhausted.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:06 PM

184. It ain't over till the ink is dry on the FBI report

Till then we fight on

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Response to yourout (Reply #184)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:12 PM

190. Bernie decides when it's over and Bernie says he's staying. I upped my donation this morning.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:11 PM

189. I'm sorry, Smokey, you were over the line.



MARK IT ZERO, DUDE

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #189)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:17 PM

195. Bull shit. I was one toke over the line.

Primo medicinal brownies. That's one of the oh so many reasons why I support Bernie ( because there isn't a happy person eating a brownie)

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Response to Autumn (Reply #195)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:21 PM

198. This was a class move, this thread, by the way.

I'm not ready to pack it in yet - I'd like to vote, first, I think Bernie is going to perform spectacularly in my state - but I do agree that we're gonna need to come together to support the nominee and I acknowledge who that nominee is likely to be.

I think most of the Sanders people are going to need to get there organically, and it will take a little time. It probably goes without saying that insulting and "neener neener"-ing them (not meaning you, obviously) isn't the best way to achieve that goal.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #198)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:35 PM

205. Ain't no way in hell I'm packing it in. Bernie's saying and so am I. No reason in the

world to try to convince a Hillary supporter that Bernie is better on every single issue and he is more honest and trustworthy. It's a waste of time and bandwidth .

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Response to Autumn (Reply #205)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:37 PM

208. I agree.

And like I said, I'd like to vote, too.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #208)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:05 PM

228. I caucused for Bernie here in Colorado. I'm proud that the last caucus of my life was for him.

I ain't gonna do that shit no more, it's too difficult when your mobility challenged. Let me assure you, nothing is ever going to be more satisfying in your life than that vote you cast for Bernie, knowing he really looks out for the needs of the people and he believes that the needs of the people should come first.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:13 PM

192. Some interesting reactions for sure...

You know I respect you, we've had our ups and downs but I think somehow we've made it work.

I certainly hope I still get to see your posts, and I'm impressed at the dedication you have for your candidate.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #192)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:43 PM

213. You're right, we have made it work. I'm not going anywhere,

you'll see my posts until you put me on ignore. I'm sticking with Bernie, no qualifiers.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #213)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:45 PM

214. Well I don't use ignore, so I guess I'm stuck with you!

Haha, thanks Autumn.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #214)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:46 PM

217. Thank you.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:41 PM

210. Autumn, this sounds nihilistic.

 

Of course the bullshit is knee high (or higher) around here, and of course it's no fun to wade through the filth in order to put forth a few truths, counter a few lies, and keep hope alive for any kind of fairness, justice, compassion and decency in this country.

I don't like it either. Many of my favorite DU commenters are gone -- some have trashed GDP, some split for jpr, some are banned or "on review" for bogus reasons and sheer vindictiveness, and some just lie low.

So when it's disgusting beyond belief, you take a vacation. I'm going to try to stick it out to put in a good word for the only candidate worth supporting in this race or try to counter some of the lies, but even I've had to put the worst on ignore.

But don't ask him to close the whole thing out yet, Autumn.

👓 ☮ 👓 ☮ 👓 ☮ THINK OF THE [strike]CHILDREN[/strike] LURKERS! ☮ 👓 ☮ 👓 ☮ 👓


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Response to senz (Reply #210)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:46 PM

215. Lurkers miss a lot. they don't see the Bernie group

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:46 PM

216. this OP perplexes; after skimming some replies, it seems the goal is to stop criticism of HRC? If so

That's a really bad idea; it stifles democracy; democracy is about debate, dissent, factionalism.

Once that's shut down, and we have to toe the "party line," democracy is extinguished.

You say you want to continue to work to nominate and elect Sanders. Yet, you want Skinner
to "call it." Call what? Call for a cessation of criticism of Hillary must be the answer.

Never did I think it was possible to convince a Hillary supporter on DU to switch to Bernie. Rather, I viewed
this forum as a vehicle for sharing insights and info gained or gleaned about the candidates. Then posters
could disseminate that info on social media, as they wished. Democracy thrives on information.


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Response to amborin (Reply #216)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:52 PM

221. Not at all. The goal is to focus on Bernie and ignore the noise.

Criticize Hillary, there is a hell of a lot that she should be criticized for, but realize where we are. There is very little criticism of Bernie here, it's all directed at the Bernie supporters.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #221)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:18 PM

234. so, you are saying we should start to criticize Bernie? Call me confused!

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Response to Autumn (Reply #221)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:28 PM

238. Oh, so the entire site would be a gigantic Hillary ad with Bernie hit jobs

 

and no facts allowed to counter the noise?

You want that?

Nah, you don't want that.

You want a vacation, a massage, music, poetry, a trip to the shore, a trip to the lake, light flickering off water and dancing through treetops, fine cuisine, fine wine, the laughter of children, live drama performances, a rode trip, a cruise, a great novel, a good cry, a good night's sleep, reconnection with old friends, redecorate the living room ... and you can take it from there.

Get what you need, Autumn.

Bernie can wait (we'll take care of him.)

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Response to senz (Reply #238)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:56 PM

251. Excellent post Senz! Woot!

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Response to haikugal (Reply #251)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:57 PM

261. TY, haikugal!

 

The petals tremble
on the yellow mountain rose –
roar of the rapids

~ Basho


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Response to senz (Reply #261)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:03 PM

263. .

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:48 PM

219. The math has not changed significantly from Super Tuesday.

If Skinner was going to ever "call it" like Kos or something then he would've done so already.

Math is math.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:03 PM

225. No, please don't

My two cents, and thanks to anyone who takes my opinion here in consideration.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:04 PM

227. Thanks

 



its time to unify against Trump and the republicans.

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Response to TBF (Reply #231)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:25 PM

272. LOL! Whoosh!!11! nt

 

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #272)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:47 AM

293. Welcome to ignore. nt

Last edited Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:52 PM - Edit history (1)

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Response to TBF (Reply #231)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:55 PM

280. I think something weird is going on. I just "ignored" her.

Looks like somebody wants attention

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:32 PM

241. Thank you!

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:41 PM

245. Please forgive me if I'm wrong, and I do not mean any offense, but

I think you may have switched sides, perhaps without even realizing it yourself.

I base this on your OP, and on some of your recent posts; I qualify this by saying I
typically quickly skim posts and that raises the risk of misunderstanding content; so I
may be totally wrong. But how else make sense of calls to stop criticizing HRC and
to start criticizing Bernie Sanders.



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Response to amborin (Reply #245)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:33 PM

256. maybe her account has been hacked. ?? nt

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Response to grasswire (Reply #256)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:37 PM

258. it's possible!

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Response to amborin (Reply #245)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:24 PM

271. You might be totally wrong. nt

 

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #246)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:23 PM

270. Whoosh!!! (right over your head) nt

 

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #270)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:31 PM

283. Yup.

And we NEVER agree on anything around here...

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #270)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:03 AM

284. Indeed.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:51 PM

248. I love tongue in cheek, hate when folks miss the nuanced undertones, take a thing to be 100% serious

 

Provided we could still be supportive of our candidate, and keep to our group and follow the rules, the amount of wasted energy not spent on arguing could go to a great deal of good if this site moved on to the General Election.

Do we really want him to "call it"? I don't know, I'm not sure it matters.

If I'm pickin' up what you're puttin' down, it's like "call it, Skinner. Or don't. I don't care, there's work to do, whatever."



Now, what's interesting to me is that some days ago, or weeks, Skinner changed his avatar from the H back to the DU.

I thought that to be a rather kind and thoughtful thing to do!

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:53 PM

249. She expands by thirty delegates, and you throw in the towel? C'mon Autumn.

 

You and I both know the likely outcome. I've known for months. Even made a meaty post on the subject. It ain't done until there's a concession speech, though.

Though. If by "calling it" Skinner shuts down the GDP cesspit, and subsequently bans the trolls with 10+ hides, I might be convinced to go along with this plan. Hmmmm.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #249)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:08 PM

253. Hmmmm. I forget. What is the ratio of Bernie supporters here to Hillary supporters?



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Response to Autumn (Reply #253)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:52 PM

260. Depends!

 

when you say "Hillary supporters" do you mean people who actually support Hillary Clinton? if so, I think it's a ratio of 100:1.

If though you include people who simply hate Bernie for whatever reason and don't seem to give a good goddamn about Hilalry beyond her role facilitating that, then the lead narrows to 20:1 or so.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #260)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:00 PM

262. Didn't Skinner say it was like 80%?

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:36 PM

257. After reading through... I get where you're coming from.

I make a rare comment here in GD: P, but I've known for ages DU is not the place for real primary discussion or candidate promotion.

Don't resign as Group Host.

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Response to MerryBlooms (Reply #257)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:42 PM

259. I have no intention of resigning as Group Host. They would have to haul my dead ass out of there

You are so right it's all noise. Very little thoughtful discussion of any issues.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:13 PM

267. Hey Autumn!


Here is a vid for you.
Peace.
LT

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Response to lasttrip (Reply #267)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:45 PM

277. That was such an innocent time wasn't it?

Thanks for the video

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Response to Autumn (Reply #277)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:51 PM

278. Thanks for all you do.

Peace.
LT

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:23 PM

282. THE Primary isn't over yet!

Call that.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:51 AM

285. Do we the tell the truth or do we live a lie?

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:08 AM

286. I agree with the sentiment

 

In 2008, when Obama was this far along, it was called. We are just inflicting wounds on ourselves. Are we going to do it for days, weeks or months. The libels against Clinton are nasty, false and malicious and this needs to end.

There are going to be people who don't want to stop, but they need to stop trashing the candidates. All trashing should be prohibited. There are other sites not affiliated with Democratic Party where that crap can be indulged.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:11 AM

287. Don't call it Skinner! Clinton would need 67.9% of all remaining delegates to win outright.

 

I don't see that happening. Do you?

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #287)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:20 AM

295. Considering that somewhere in the neighborhood of 80% of this site supports Bernie I can't see

it happening either. Could you imagine the hundred or so Hillary supporters sitting here chatting with each other after they get rid of the rest of us? That would be a gigantic snooze fest Posting is money for the site.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:14 AM

288. From Skinner: "....primary campaign is still going on. ..."

Skinner is not "calling it."

Good to see.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910112#post1
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:09 AM PT

1. At this point it appears that the primary campaign is still going on.

I'm not worried. Eventually we will have a nominee, and it'll take a little time for people to adjust. But I have no doubt that the vast majority of DUers will be on board for the general election when the time comes.

Everyone knows where this is going, everyone understands what is at stake in the general election. It'll all be fine.

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Response to pat_k (Reply #288)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:13 AM

290. Wow, thank you pat_k, for posting this! ^^^

Glad I came back to this thread, to see this because I don't read ATA much anymore.

And since I can't reply there in ATA, a big thank you! to Skinner for letting the conversation continue.

Very glad to see this, it's as good of a boost as this thread was a downer.

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Response to pat_k (Reply #288)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:40 AM

292. Well, God has spoken. Breathe easy, folk.

And anticipate the delights of tomorrow, because David Brock's special online friends have several more treats coming!

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:03 AM

294. Trashing Thread

 

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:04 PM

296. Rumors of Bernie's demise are wildly exaggerated. n/t

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Response to Admiral Loinpresser (Reply #296)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:05 PM

297. They certainly are

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:55 PM

302. You're the founding host of the Sanders group? I challenge you to impose this on your group /nt

 

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:02 PM

306. kick because it's time to revisit this

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:03 PM

307. Sadly, I have to agree

It's time to stop using this site to post right wing conspiracy theories about Hillary. As long as we can still support Bernie on here I am fine with it.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:03 PM

308. CALL IT SKINNER!

 

Trump and his fascist party hope you don't!!!

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #308)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:20 PM

312. Skinner has responded to this in the ask the admin forum

If you are concerned.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:08 PM

309. For God's sake ... yes!

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:19 PM

311. Yeah, call it Skinner.

And add a delete account function.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:21 PM

313. Yes, it is time.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:18 AM

314. I wondered if some Whiney hill fan would post this. Nt

 

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:19 AM

316. Wow, resign your role and at least fucking justify this idiotic post.m

 

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:02 AM

321. Bookem Dano!

 

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:11 AM

322. I'm glad in America every citizen gets a vote

Like all those Millions of Democrats in California.

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #322)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:51 AM

325. Yes, as a Californian I would like a chance to vote before others decide it's all wrapped up! nt

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #322)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:58 AM

326. The OP is not saying give up on the election. The OP is saying don't waste time arguing

with Hillary supporters on DU, and focus on getting the vote out for Sanders

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Response to still_one (Reply #326)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:00 AM

328. Really? So then what's that have to do with Skinner calling it?

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #328)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:08 AM

330. That is a play on another thread where a Hillary supporter asked Skinner to call it


The OP has made it pretty clear what she meant in this thread here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1794436

It's a long thread, and it can be easily missed, and misinterpreted.

I believe it has been misinterpreted by some Hillary and Bernie supporters.

Keep in mind that the OP is a very strong Bernie supporter, so she is definitely not throwing the towel in, or asking any other Sanders supporters to give up

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:47 AM

324. I'm in California and we have NOT gotten to vote yet! nt

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:06 AM

329. Wait 'til autumn!

Just wonderful how authoritarians want to shut it down before ALL the votes are cast or counted... so much like the Bush brigade in Florida in 2000

This is HRC in 2016. Strange evolution because back in 2008, she vowed to stay in the primary race through CA "because you never know... remember Bobby Kennedy!"

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:26 AM

331. A heartfelt note to you Autumn.

Autumn,

Nine states, thousands of miles, personal donations and four months away from my spouse… That is the tiniest of glimpses of what 2008 was like for me and still my then preferred candidate lost. I remember being so angry and disappointed, it sucked and I wanted every person who told me to fall in line to $#@! off!

I did just that, at least until my candidate said to stop looking in the past and to move forward. I’m grateful for President Obama and indeed I did vote for him and in the end, I’m so happy that I did.

Wherever you are, please accept my apologizes for the disagreement that we had. I remember what it felt like and also remember wishing then Senator Obama’s supporters were kinder to the rest of us. I offer that to you.

Wishing you the best.

Firebrand Gary

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