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fried eggs

(910 posts)
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:29 AM Apr 2016

Hillary gave $17.6M to charity, 26 times what she made on all 3 Goldman Sachs speeches combined

Over the negative din of politics, it can be hard to hear what’s positive. Hillary Clinton has given $17.6 million of her speaking fees to charity (see below). That’s 26 times as much as she made on her three Goldman Sachs speeches combined, or 50% more than she made on her 51 speeches in 2014 and 2015. Before presenting the details, let me summarize.

Her fees were not the least bit unusual given her stature.
-Over 100 lesser known Americans are also in the $200,000+ category.
-The Goldman Sachs fees were below her average fee.
-She gave $17.6 million of her speaking fees to charity.
-Charging Goldman Sachs less would have just meant more profits for them and less for charity.

There is simply no evidence, or logic, supporting the idea that she would sell out her whole career and deceive her huge base of supporters with a fake proposal to rein in Wall Street (a proposal that Elizabeth Warren supports). That she would do all this in return for three below-average fees from Goldman Sachs is beyond absurd.

Many seem to think the highest possible legitimate speaking fee couldn’t be over $10,000, and anything higher must be a bribe. But looking at the list below, it’s obvious no one is bribing Charlie Rose, Lady Gaga or Larry the Cable Guy, or any of the other 120 people who get paid $200,000 or more per speech.

More: http://zfacts.com/2016/02/clinton-speaking-fees/


Read the article to see what Hilary made from all of the speeches she made in 2014 and 2015. As many here love to point out: Hillary Clinton is rich! She has been a multimillionaire for quite some time, she doesn't have to work or give speeches. She does it because she enjoys it. It's not about the money for her.
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Hillary gave $17.6M to charity, 26 times what she made on all 3 Goldman Sachs speeches combined (Original Post) fried eggs Apr 2016 OP
Donating to her own Foundation isn't charity. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #1
She's released all her tax returns. Sanders has not. fried eggs Apr 2016 #3
Sanders taxes released several days ago... HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #5
He only released an abbreviated version of 2014. fried eggs Apr 2016 #11
Nope your response memo is out of date. Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #13
Link to where he released more than 2014? fried eggs Apr 2016 #19
Ask for a new response memo Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #20
Oh? He's released 2013, 2012, 2011, 2010, 2009, and 2008? Please provide a link. BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #14
Why doesn't the Clinton foundation release all their records? Bob41213 Apr 2016 #10
The Clinton Foundation is running for president? I must've not gotten the memo. BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #17
Exactly. NewImproved Deal Apr 2016 #27
She used her charity to hire Sydney Blumenthal to go behind Obama's back after he requested think Apr 2016 #4
And she used Foundation money to buy off Dolores Huerta. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #8
+10000000 amborin Apr 2016 #12
How much of that was laundered through the Clinton Foundation? whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #2
I'm struck by the words choices of Sanders supporters fried eggs Apr 2016 #7
When Saudis donate money that Clinton used to buy political allies... HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #9
Follow the money whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #16
Over 13m to their tax dodge. Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #15
And that means Blankenfein can't get her on the phone faster than I can? merrily Apr 2016 #6
If I pay you $5 for a service you provided, does that mean I have access and influence over you? fried eggs Apr 2016 #18
It is not only about speech fees. There are campaign donations and donations to the Clinton merrily Apr 2016 #21
"what does the money flow to her buy others?" Who or what did John Lewis and Lady Gaga "buy" with fried eggs Apr 2016 #23
Oh, look merrily Apr 2016 #22
Citing rightwing rags now? fried eggs Apr 2016 #24
Where did all that money go? Oh that's right - THE CLINTON FOUNDATION. Avalux Apr 2016 #25
The Clinton Foundation has certainly gotten some bad press. Vinca Apr 2016 #28
Now I'm curious. Have you always used rightwing news organizations to get fried eggs Apr 2016 #29
You mean this one? Vinca Apr 2016 #30
The Clinton Foundation is a public -not private- charity. Maybe research something before you post? randome Apr 2016 #32
Well isn't that a nice unbiased site...Not really... jmg257 Apr 2016 #26
Is this link more to your liking? randome Apr 2016 #31
Oh I have no issues with the Foundation - seems to do plenty of good work. jmg257 Apr 2016 #33
Perhaps her supporters here might care to outline vintx Apr 2016 #34
For starters, post #31 above. randome Apr 2016 #35
 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
5. Sanders taxes released several days ago...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:35 AM
Apr 2016

...while you all were busy becoming unhinged over a Vatican speech.

fried eggs

(910 posts)
11. He only released an abbreviated version of 2014.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:44 AM
Apr 2016

only Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton has fully disclosed years worth of returns. Sanders has released an abbreviated version of his taxes for a single year. Trump hasn’t released anything, while his Republican challengers, Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, and Ohio Gov. John Kasich, have made only partial tax information public.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article72097232.html#storylink=cpy

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
20. Ask for a new response memo
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:00 PM
Apr 2016

the updated memo includes:

Yes but he only paid 13.9%.

And other horseshit deflections.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
14. Oh? He's released 2013, 2012, 2011, 2010, 2009, and 2008? Please provide a link.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:50 AM
Apr 2016

Oh, and has he released his 2015 complete tax filing yet? He promised to do that last Monday.

Hillary Clinton has - from 2000 through 2014. And they're complete tax filings.

http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/Web/PresidentialTaxReturns?OpenDocument

Bob41213

(491 posts)
10. Why doesn't the Clinton foundation release all their records?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:41 AM
Apr 2016

Like where all those Canadian donations come from?

Oh, let me save you the trouble of claiming privacy law prevents them from doing so.

https://www.priv.gc.ca/resource/fs-fi/02_05_d_19_e.asp

Most non-profits are not subject to the Act because they do not engage in commercial activities. This is typically the case with most charities, minor hockey associations, clubs, community groups and advocacy organizations. Collecting membership fees, organizing club activities, compiling a list of members' names and addresses, and mailing out newsletters are not considered commercial activities. Similarly, fundraising is not a commercial activity. However, some clubs, for example many golf clubs and athletic clubs, may be engaged in commercial activities which are subject to the Act.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
17. The Clinton Foundation is running for president? I must've not gotten the memo.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:55 AM
Apr 2016

Sanders is the LAST person to demand anything from any Clinton since he hasn't even kept his promise to release his 2015 complete tax filing (which was supposed to come out last Monday).

He's also not released more than ONE complete tax filing - 2014.

Hillary Clinton's released her complete tax filings from 2000 through 2014.

So before Sanders - or his supporters - believe they have a right to demand tax filings from anyone else while standing in a wafer-thin glass house, best to stop hurling stones until Sanders himself releases at least eight past tax filings, just as Senator Obama had when he was running, and Senator Clinton had when she ran in 2008.

Otherwise, it would make that demand hypocritical, wouldn't it?

 

NewImproved Deal

(534 posts)
27. Exactly.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:09 PM
Apr 2016

Channeling Clinton Machine loot into the Clinton "Foundation" is no more charitable than Mitt Romney tithing to the Mormon Church.

Hillary Clinton is America's Imelda Marcos.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
4. She used her charity to hire Sydney Blumenthal to go behind Obama's back after he requested
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:35 AM
Apr 2016

that Blumenthal not be hired to the State Dept.

What kind of person does that?

fried eggs

(910 posts)
7. I'm struck by the words choices of Sanders supporters
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:37 AM
Apr 2016

when discussing the Clintons. "Laundered?" Why do you feel the need to go there? The hatred spewed is on par with Rush Limbaugh.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
9. When Saudis donate money that Clinton used to buy political allies...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:41 AM
Apr 2016

It appears that the function of the Foundation isn't charity, but laundering a political slush fund.
What charitable function did Blumenthall do while being paid $10,000/month?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
6. And that means Blankenfein can't get her on the phone faster than I can?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:36 AM
Apr 2016

This missed the point entirely. It's about access and influence and things like that, not how much of the money Hillary keeps.

As an aside, though, the Clinton Foundation qualifies as a charity and being a big donor to any charity has its perqs.

fried eggs

(910 posts)
18. If I pay you $5 for a service you provided, does that mean I have access and influence over you?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:57 AM
Apr 2016

That's what you're arguing. Putting aside the fact that the payment was equivalent to pocket change, she was paid for a service provided. The article lists others who are paid the same and more for giving speeches, people who have absolutely nothing to do with politics. Like Lady Gaga. You're arguing that the relatively low fee Hillary was paid covered her speech and also gave them access and influence. You have no proof of this, and it doesn't pass the common sense test, but you hate Clinton so it must be true.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
21. It is not only about speech fees. There are campaign donations and donations to the Clinton
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:01 PM
Apr 2016

Foundation. And, as an adide, if you actually think paying $200K plus expenses for a politician to speak for a half hour is simply payment for a half hour speech, I want to do business with you.

Bottom line: her charitable contributions, which is what the OP focuses on--even the charitable contributions that are legit-- are totally beside the point. The point is not how much money she keeps out of the money that flows to her. The point is what does the money flow to her buy others, regardless of what she does with it. And not only the speech money, which is convenient to focus on, but a drop in the total bucket.

Big bucks buy, at the very minimum, access. Denying that is laughable. So is pretending it's only about speaking fees.

fried eggs

(910 posts)
23. "what does the money flow to her buy others?" Who or what did John Lewis and Lady Gaga "buy" with
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:24 PM
Apr 2016

the money they received from speaking to GS? Or Deepak Chopra and Tom Brokaw? You tell me. Sanders has yet to come up with one example of Clinton giving Wall Street a pass.

Here's the boring truth:

Goldman Sachs regularly invites leading thinkers from a broad range of backgrounds to share their views and expertise. It’s something they provide to their employees around the world to enrich their lives and give them an insiders’ view to current topics. More: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/1/22/1473850/-Who-Speaks-at-Goldman-Sachs


Let's face it, your speculation is based on blind hatred. Not logic.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
25. Where did all that money go? Oh that's right - THE CLINTON FOUNDATION.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:31 PM
Apr 2016

How generous of her, donating to her own money laundering operation! That article stinks to high heaven.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
32. The Clinton Foundation is a public -not private- charity. Maybe research something before you post?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:15 PM
Apr 2016

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jmg257

(11,996 posts)
26. Well isn't that a nice unbiased site...Not really...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:52 PM
Apr 2016

Newest, see: Hillary Killed Detroit? Not! Bernie’s Just Very Confused
or: Millions for Sanders from Wall Street Super PACs,
or: MoveOn’s Soros ditches Sanders for Clinton
Or: Who is Bernie? Find out before it’s too late
Clinton’s Speaking Fees — No Corruption; Quite Generous
If Sanders Is Consistent, He's Not a Democrat. That Spells Trouble

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
31. Is this link more to your liking?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:13 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/where-does-clinton-foundation-money-go/
Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina says that “so little” of the charitable donations to the Clinton Foundation “actually go to charitable works” — a figure CARLY for America later put at about 6 percent of its annual revenues — but Fiorina is simply wrong.
Fiorina and others are referring only to the amount donated by the Clinton Foundation to outside charities, ignoring the fact that most of the Clinton Foundation’s charitable work is performed in-house. One independent philanthropy watchdog did an analysis of Clinton Foundation funding and concluded that about 89 percent of its funding went to charity.
Simply put, despite its name, the Clinton Foundation is not a private foundation — which typically acts as a pass-through for private donations to other charitable organizations. Rather, it is a public charity. It conducts most of its charitable activities directly.

Asked for some examples of the work it performs itself, the Clinton Foundation listed these:
Clinton Development Initiative staff in Africa train rural farmers and help them get access to seeds, equipment and markets for their crops.
Clinton Climate Initiative staff help governments in Africa and the Caribbean region with reforestation efforts, and in island nations to help develop renewable energy projects.
Staff at the Clinton Health Access Initiative, an independent, affiliated entity, work in dozens of nations to lower the cost of HIV/AIDS medicine, scale up pediatric AIDS treatment and promote treatment of diarrhea through life-saving Zinc/ORS treatment.
Clinton Health Matters staff work with local governments and businesses in the United States to develop wellness and physical activity plans.

It's not even a private organization!
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jmg257

(11,996 posts)
33. Oh I have no issues with the Foundation - seems to do plenty of good work.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:25 PM
Apr 2016

And so many foreign govt's, investors, corporations and philanthropists are major donors!

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
34. Perhaps her supporters here might care to outline
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:31 PM
Apr 2016

all the many wonderful things the Clinton Foundation does with all that loot.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
35. For starters, post #31 above.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:40 PM
Apr 2016

Granted, it's not all that specific but if you're implying that money is being laundered or otherwise misspent, I would think it's on you to furnish evidence of that.
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