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Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:51 AM

Time for Bernie to drop out.

Really folks, we don't need anymore smearing of our nominee by one of our alleged own.

Get out Bernie.

Anyone who thinks that I am responsible for how they vote, please refrain from letting me know that. Because if you can't see or tell the difference between Hillary or Trump/Cruz and sit out, or only vote down ticket, or make a protest vote, or write someone else in, it's on you. You are responsible for your vote. Not me.

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Reply Time for Bernie to drop out. (Original post)
boston bean Apr 2016 OP
Vinca Apr 2016 #1
Baobab Apr 2016 #11
Trust Buster Apr 2016 #29
All in it together Apr 2016 #39
Trust Buster Apr 2016 #41
DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #54
Trust Buster Apr 2016 #62
DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #68
Baobab Apr 2016 #57
Trust Buster Apr 2016 #65
Baobab Apr 2016 #70
Baobab Apr 2016 #49
Trust Buster Apr 2016 #53
DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #61
Baobab Apr 2016 #71
bjo59 Apr 2016 #69
Vinca Apr 2016 #110
elleng Apr 2016 #2
Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #3
TexasBushwhacker Apr 2016 #96
GoldenThunder Apr 2016 #4
farleftlib Apr 2016 #25
Arizona Roadrunner Apr 2016 #5
MoonRiver Apr 2016 #14
Arizona Roadrunner Apr 2016 #33
MoonRiver Apr 2016 #42
Amaril Apr 2016 #6
COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #10
Amaril Apr 2016 #45
bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #56
Amaril Apr 2016 #78
COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #111
Amaril Apr 2016 #112
COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #113
morningfog Apr 2016 #7
NurseJackie Apr 2016 #8
democrattotheend Apr 2016 #17
NurseJackie Apr 2016 #18
pinebox Apr 2016 #22
democrattotheend Apr 2016 #26
NurseJackie Apr 2016 #36
Human101948 Apr 2016 #66
democrattotheend Apr 2016 #72
NurseJackie Apr 2016 #73
democrattotheend Apr 2016 #76
NurseJackie Apr 2016 #77
democrattotheend Apr 2016 #83
NurseJackie Apr 2016 #87
democrattotheend Apr 2016 #89
tavernier Apr 2016 #105
NurseJackie Apr 2016 #106
TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #9
casperthegm Apr 2016 #12
Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #44
casperthegm Apr 2016 #92
Adrahil Apr 2016 #13
Broward Apr 2016 #19
pat_k Apr 2016 #15
beaglelover Apr 2016 #16
Broward Apr 2016 #20
Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #46
egalitegirl Apr 2016 #85
Broward Apr 2016 #103
Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #51
All in it together Apr 2016 #52
DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #55
beaglelover Apr 2016 #86
pinebox Apr 2016 #21
auntpurl Apr 2016 #23
whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #24
polichick Apr 2016 #27
Orsino Apr 2016 #28
yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #30
Trust Buster Apr 2016 #31
auntpurl Apr 2016 #88
Trust Buster Apr 2016 #114
seabeyond Apr 2016 #32
All in it together Apr 2016 #58
seabeyond Apr 2016 #64
democrattotheend Apr 2016 #90
CanadaexPat Apr 2016 #104
dmosh42 Apr 2016 #34
LexVegas Apr 2016 #35
HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #37
salinsky Apr 2016 #63
northernsouthern Apr 2016 #38
Avalux Apr 2016 #40
boston bean Apr 2016 #43
AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #50
boston bean Apr 2016 #60
AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #74
boston bean Apr 2016 #95
AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #97
boston bean Apr 2016 #98
AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #99
boston bean Apr 2016 #108
AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #47
One of the 99 Apr 2016 #48
CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #59
democrattotheend Apr 2016 #80
aikoaiko Apr 2016 #67
democrattotheend Apr 2016 #75
KPN Apr 2016 #79
CanadaexPat Apr 2016 #81
workinclasszero Apr 2016 #82
EndElectoral Apr 2016 #84
boston bean Apr 2016 #93
insightdeluxe Apr 2016 #91
Nedsdag Apr 2016 #94
marmar Apr 2016 #100
boston bean Apr 2016 #102
randr Apr 2016 #101
The Second Stone Apr 2016 #107
oldandhappy Apr 2016 #109
whistler162 Apr 2016 #115

Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:55 AM

1. I don't think it's a wise idea if he can find it within himself to stay in the race.

Even though he's behind by a margin that would be all but impossible to overtake, given the things we don't know yet, I would feel safer having a "runner-up" candidate nearby. I don't want October to come and suddenly find ourselves without a candidate.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:27 AM

11. There is a need for an alternative to Clintonism

and its forced globalization.

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Response to Baobab (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:09 AM

29. Globalization is NOT being forced. Technology has made the world smaller.

 

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #29)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:19 AM

39. Globalization is helped along considerably by these Trade agreements

that sell out American industry, jobs and people.

Stop TPP!

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Response to All in it together (Reply #39)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:22 AM

41. No, trade deals don't really effect globalization. American corporations have a significant

 

incentive to chase Third World labor around the globe with or without trade deals.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #41)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:34 AM

54. We need to maintain the means of production in our own country.

 

It's not only good for our economy, it is a sovereignty and national defense issue.

It is kind of funny that "anti-socialists" would rail against the government controlling our means of production, but are quiet when the Communist government of China control our means of production.

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Response to DemocracyDirect (Reply #54)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:36 AM

62. I don't know of a way that the government can stop it Constitutionally. Do you ?

 

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #62)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:41 AM

68. Take China to court for currency manipulation.

 

And if they don't stop currency manipulation...

... cancel normal trade relations and place an import duty on all products coming from china.

Import duty levels can be tailored depending on the product.
High tech products can have a lower duty (ie. tv sets, cell phones, and computers)
Durable goods and consumer products can have a higher duty.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #41)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:35 AM

57. Its great if you, like the Clintons, want everybody to be paid the same

for the same work. It will be a huge boon to business as they will be able to get three or four workers for what they pay one today. Because of procurement being included in trade deals all those proposed infrastructure programs will likely use guest worker subcontractors because they work for much less. If American firms want that work the next President will have to eliminate the minimum wage.

Either that or US firms will need to automate them completely. Which will eliminate those kinds of jobs for good.

Google:

"Mode Four" AND "movement of natural persons"

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Response to Baobab (Reply #57)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:39 AM

65. You could repeal all trade deals tomorrow and a huge incentive to outsource labor would still exist.

 

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #65)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:50 AM

70. Mode Four isnt outsourcing, its basically intra corporate transfers

You can't tell companies which employees to use since they are supranational.

As long as its not permanently. For example, a company from a less developed country, say Bangladesh, can staff your hospital with nurses for you and you pay the company the US minimum wage.

What they pay their workers is between them and their employer, who likely pays them into their bank accounts back home, so its not information you even know.

That is Mode Four.

"Disciplines on domestic regulations" are being devised to make it happen.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #29)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:27 AM

49. Its not debatable, its fact. You likely live in the US so you don't know

what's been happening in the world the last 20 years.

Because of the US media blockade on news of it.

You can't get more forced than what's happening.

Dismantle the public services and safety nets fast.

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Response to Baobab (Reply #49)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:33 AM

53. Digitalization and large container ships have made the world smaller. That what's not debatable.

 

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #53)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:35 AM

61. No doubt that non-tangible products will not be contained by trade agreements...

 

... but money flows sure can be.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #53)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:54 AM

71. Services are "everything you cannot drop on your foot" around 70% of all jobs

The largest export of developing countries in terms of monetary value is expected to be services.

Services which it is claimed will create a huge increase in total wealth.

Example: http://www.thefinancialexpress-bd.com/2015/06/01/94876

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Response to Vinca (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:47 AM

69. Doesn't making that suggestion ever get old?

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Response to bjo59 (Reply #69)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:51 PM

110. It will get old when she's cleared by the FBI.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:55 AM

2. Sanders and Kasich Should Ignore Any Pressure to Quit.

The Editorial Board

'Mr. Sanders’s presence has made this an immeasurably more substantive race, in which both candidates’ policies have been better vetted, and as a result, better delineated. That’s the best preparation for the general election.

Mr. Sanders has voiced the concerns and energized millions of young people, many of them voting for the first time. His candidacy has forced the party to go deeper on addressing issues like wealth inequality, college tuition costs and the toll of globalization — important points of distinction with Republicans. What’s more, Mr. Sanders’s commitment to small individual contributions has put the lie to Democrats’ excuses that they, too, must play the big money game to win. This is a message too seldom heard in the party that first championed campaign finance reform. That it’s back is long overdue, good for Democrats and good for campaigning. Mrs. Clinton “is clearly irritated by the fact that she has to deal with this guy,” the Democratic strategist David Axelrod said in an interview. “But he’s pushed her on a lot of issues in a positive way, and I think that his young supporters will be bitterly resentful if anyone tries to shove him out of the race.”

Voters are keeping these also-ran candidates going.'>>>

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/20/opinion/sanders-and-kasich-should-ignore-any-pressure-to-quit.html?

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:56 AM

3. I hope Bernie Sanders stays in through the final states.

That way, more people will hear his message that we should:

- break up the biggest banks
- make public colleges tuition free
- legalize marijuana
- end the death penalty
- end mandatory minimums
- ban fracking

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Response to Eric J in MN (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:58 AM

96. Plus +1000

Plus:

Medicare for all provides better care for less $$

Create a revenue stream with a small financial transaction tax

Stabilize Social Security by raising or removing the taxable income cap

Investing in badly needed infrastructure repair and replacement to create hundreds of thousands of good jobs

Stop trade agreements that cost American jobs

RAISE THE FUCKING MINIMUM WAGE!

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:00 AM

4. What's that word, again? Oh, right...

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Response to GoldenThunder (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:05 AM

25. Thank you

 

I'm so tired of the calls for Bernie to go away. They're so afraid because Bernie makes her look like the crook she is. And he's been taking it a lot easier on her than I would've.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:00 AM

5. Bernie better hang around.

 

There are not only current potential indictments that we know about but there may be some we don't know about. There may be a transaction by transaction investigations of her's and Bill's speeches, their "foundation" and ties to decisions made while she was Secretary of State such as the Swiss bank UBS situation.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/

The bottom line is there are too many risks for her getting elected let alone being allowed to govern due in large part to her's and Bill's actions. Is it true they registered corporations in Delaware? If they did, the only reason one does that unless they live in Delaware is to evade and/or avoid something.

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Response to Arizona Roadrunner (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:34 AM

14. Blablabla

Not this shit again.

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Response to MoonRiver (Reply #14)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:13 AM

33. Do some homework!

 

Sorry that your ignorance overwhelms you. I covered Watergate and Nixon's impeachment and I know how it can and will work. You should do more homework!

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Response to Arizona Roadrunner (Reply #33)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:22 AM

42. There is ZERO evidence that an indictment is forthcoming.

I suggest you take your own advice. This is hardly the same as Watergate and Nixon's impeachment.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:05 AM

6. Really sick & tired of these kind of posts

Apparently we no longer live in a true democracy, and everyone should just STFU and accept without question the candidate selected by the Powers That Be and shoved down our throats.

Got it.

And you guys wonder why Hillary has become so unpalatable for a lot of people. Her supporters have had a definite hand in that.

Congratulations.

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Response to Amaril (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:27 AM

10. "The powers that be" are 2,100,000 voters (so far).

No one else. No one shoved anyone down anybody's throat. I understand you're upset your candidate lost his chance for the nomination. But trying to distort that with false accusations is unbecoming.

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:25 AM

45. Right

And the DNC and media did not decide that Hillary was to be the candidate and effectively do anything they could to shut Bernie out including dispatch hundreds of minions to denigrate him, his record, platform and candidacy from day one.

Some of us have been paying attention, and this entire primary season has left a horrible taste in my mouth. I've had candidates lose before -- and ones that I was way more invested in than I was Sanders -- so you can shove that assumption where all assumptions belong. It is the attitude from Clinton -- her sense of entitlement to the nomination -- and the way this primary was handled by the aforementioned Powers That Be that has me questioning my loyalty to the Democratic party for the first time in my 35 years of voting.

Don't worry -- Clinton will get my vote in the GE IF she is the nominee. I have never NOT voted in a GE and I'm not about to start now, but I will be holding my nose as I pull the lever.

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Response to Amaril (Reply #45)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:34 AM

56. And so many people busy with their work and kids just get snippets here and there and believe

and that is what the MSM and the Clinton's are hoping for. That 2.5 million are many who are not aware of all the crap that is going down in this election because it is being suppressed by Clinton's her cohorts (billionaires, corporations and MSM).

People are not as researched on what is really transpiring behind the scenes. Corruption. Our Country is really down on the list for integrity in elections..

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #56)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:08 AM

78. Agreed, and it makes me sad

And I think what makes me saddest of all is that for a lot of people -- specifically, the millennials that the Clinton camp loves to sneer at so vehemently -- this is their first exposure to the primary process, and I fear it may be their last. They don't understand -- like those of us that have been amongst the voting masses for longer than they have been alive -- that the nastiness they are being subjected to is "politics as usual."

We all fret about low voter turn out and what to do about it. When young people witness voters being shut out of the process in primary after primary, what is their likely takeaway to be? We stand a good chance of losing them for good........and when that happens, we all lose.

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Response to Amaril (Reply #45)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:52 PM

111. Just as long as you pull the lever it's all good.

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #111)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:56 PM

112. Yep, just be a good little democrat

Even though you think the candidate is a huge mistake -- win or lose the GE -- that the Democratic party will regret for years to come, just follow the party line and all will be well.

Got it.

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Response to Amaril (Reply #112)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:58 PM

113. I'll regret it a whole lot more if Trump (or Cruz)

gets elected. How about you?

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:19 AM

7. Bernie has every right to continue. Who are you to make such demands? Nobody.

 

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:21 AM

8. Correction ... it's PAST time for Bernie to drop out!

QUIT NOW. SURRENDER BERNIE!

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #8)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:48 AM

17. I'll quote your candidate in rebuttal

“My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don’t understand it [calls to drop out].” She said this at a time when Obama had a pretty much insurmountable lock on the pledged delegates as well. Pretty hypocritical for Hillary supporters to try to push Bernie out now, when nobody fought harder than she did in 2008 to make sure every state got a voice.

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #17)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:51 AM

18. He hasn't got a chance!

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #18)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:02 AM

22. Jackie, can you delete that gif please?

 

It bothers me a lot, I'm epileptic and yes I'm being 100% serious.
That flashing.....
Thank you.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #18)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:07 AM

26. Hillary didn't have a chance by April of 2008

Yet she fought on until the end. In fact, she accused Obama supporters calling for her to drop out of "not wanting people to vote."

"My take on it is a lot of Senator Obama's supporters want to end this race because they don't want people to keep voting," (Clinton) told CBS affiliate KTVQ in Billings, Mont. "That's just the opposite of what I believe. We want people to vote. I want the people of Montana to vote, don't you?"


http://krupsjustsayin.blogspot.com/2008/04/hillary-clinton-tells-truth.html

Surely, you don't want people not to vote, now do you?

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #26)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:15 AM

36. Bernie doesn't stand a chance! He's done. Over. Finished.

At this point, for him to continue is just vanity on his part. (And taking bad advice from incompetent campaign advisors.)

Time to focus our energy and money on the GOP and winning the General Election.

He's playing games. He's not serious.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #36)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:39 AM

66. Yes, it's going to be difficult to win the General Election with Hillary...

 

her negative ratings are YUUUUGE! Better pray that Trump can hold on, because she can't beat Cruz or Kasich.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #36)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:59 AM

72. So was Hillary staying in until the end an "exercise in vanity" in 2008?

Was she "playing games?"

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #72)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:03 AM

73. I've heard what Bernie's had to say... it's not about the voters, it's about himself.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #36)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:06 AM

76. Interesting how you say nothing to rebut my point

Just repeat your call for him to drop out without addressing why Hillary had every right to continue well past the point when she had any mathematical chance but Bernie doesn't.

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #76)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:07 AM

77. You're not making a point. You're whining.

And ignoring reality ... but that's another topic entirely.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #77)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:12 AM

83. The point I am making is that Hillary fought hard in 2008 to give everyone a chance to vote

before dropping out, and I agree with the things she said then about wanting everyone to have the chance to vote before dropping out. So my point is, why was it ok for her to stay in but it's time for Bernie to drop out? Why do you disagree with your own candidate about letting everyone vote?

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #83)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:22 AM

87. That's not Bernie's goal. Bernie's goal is to damage the party.

It's not about votes or voices, it's never been. It's all about Bernie. It's not about the nomination, it's about Bernie. (He's a smart man. He's not dumb. He knows he's not going to win the nomination. The only question now is how much he's willing to damage and divide the party, and how much he thinks it benefits him by tearing-down the PARTY'S CLEAR CHOICE to be our nominee.)

It's a shame really.



NY was a closed primary, you guys are gonna have to deal with that. We don't have a national primary, that's just the way it is, and the votes from the later states just don't have the same weight or statistical importance when it's OBVIOUS who the nominee is going to be. (And trust me... it's OBVIOUS! It ain't gonna be Bernie.) Again... that's just the way it is, that's the way the math works out. Sorry. Deal with it.

Kwitcherbellieachin and move on.

Goodbye.



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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #87)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:35 AM

89. Even accepting your premise, which I don't, why was Hillary different in 2008?

Why did she not drop out once it was clear that Obama had an insurmountable delegate lead?

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #8)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:36 PM

105. I'm removing my Bernie sticker from my car today.

I was going to keep it up throughout the election regardless of the nominee, but the snarky comments from his staff all morning only made me think of petulant children who threaten tantrums if things don't go their way. These past couple of weeks have been so far removed from how I pictured a Bernie campaign, I'm starting to wonder who is running the show.

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Response to tavernier (Reply #105)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:38 PM

106. For you ...




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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:25 AM

9. That's for him and his advisors to decide.

Thanks for the unsolicited advice anyway.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:29 AM

12. I don't think the the HRC supporters get it, do they?

Last edited Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:25 AM - Edit history (1)

First, he isn't dropping out. So cry me a river.

Second, this is bigger than Bernie. We love him, not just for who he is, but what he represents. He represents political ideals that used to be associated with the Democratic party.

Third, now that he's shown us how things could be/should be, we aren't going away, win or lose. We will either force the Democratic party to move away from things like fracking, cozy relationships with Wall Street, bad trade deals, and war mongering policies, OR we will form a new party that carries the ideals that the Democratic party used to.

It aint over. It's just beginning.

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Response to casperthegm (Reply #12)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:25 AM

44. Yes it is bigger than Bernie

The important thing is to put a Dem in the White House...We heard the Bern, and he lost. Time to suspend and work to elect the Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton...even if he tones down his rhetoric and he sicked the lawyers on her yesterday as a 'primary ' surprise...his surrogates won't. We need to elect a Democrat...he only hurts that effort going forward.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #44)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:42 AM

92. Problem is, the Democrats have sold out

See #3.

What's the point of electing a "Democrat" if that person is not a Democrat but rather a moderate Republican? And this is not rhetoric. I've laid out specific issues that used to be strictly gop talking points. Now they are part of Clinton's platform. If anyone disagrees, I'm open to discuss any of those issues I cited.

I'd vote for Hillary if she really was a Democrat. She is not.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:33 AM

13. I'll actually disagree.

 

I mean, at this point, he has NO CHANCE to win. And he should acknowledge that by changing the nature of his campaign. He should start directing his fire against the GOP candidates. Ya know, the ones who are the ACTUAL enemy. He could actually do a lot of good by keeping his supporters engaged and focusing their ire on the GOP instead of the fake outrage at Clinton.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:57 AM

19. Right-wingers regardless of party are the enemy.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:44 AM

16. If he isn't man enough to quit, he at least better stop attacking the Democratic nominee for POTUS!

If he continues to attack her as he has been, he's an asshole and proving he's only in it for himself. It is time for him to be a gentleman, and drop out and give Hillary 100% of his support. It's time to rebuild and win in November!!!

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Response to beaglelover (Reply #16)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:57 AM

20. We must rebuild around corrupt, right-wing Hillary.

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Response to Broward (Reply #20)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:26 AM

46. She voted with Sanders 93% of the time.

Of course not the same as him when it came to gun bills. She is not rightwing.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #46)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:14 AM

85. And with Wall Street and War industry the other 7%

 

It is when she did not vote with Bernie that counts. She voted for wars and Wall Street corporate welfare including the Bush bailouts.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #46)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:13 PM

103. Sure, a politician to the right of Nixon is not right wing.

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Response to beaglelover (Reply #16)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:30 AM

51. "isn't man enough to quit"

 

Please explain how that isn't sexist.

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Response to beaglelover (Reply #16)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:31 AM

52. Now sexism directed at Bernie

How low will you go for her? You sound like Sarah Palin.

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Response to beaglelover (Reply #16)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:34 AM

55. or what?

 

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Response to beaglelover (Reply #16)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:19 AM

86. Oh Christ, there are so many delicate flowers on this website.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:00 AM

21. Facts aren't smearing. They're facts.

 

This is a smear;



How she opposed TPP, sold weapons in shady deals, was involved with the Honduras coup, how she makes $250k per speech and voted for Iraq isn't a smear, these are facts. There's nothing falsifying in that, no matter how you spin it.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:04 AM

23. As a Hillary supporter, I'll disagree.

He must change the negative smear campaign he's currently running, that's for sure. If he doesn't do that, it is proof positive that he doesn't care a whit about the Democratic Party and is happy to drive it into the ground for his own ego.

But if he tones down the divisive crap and focuses on his own pet issues, I'm happy enough for him to continue. Not because I want him in the race, good god no. I find him incredibly off-putting, but then I've never liked angry, ranty old men. But because we will need at least some portion of his supporters to vote Hillary, and I don't want Hillary's camp to give the impression that she's forced him out of the race. I want him to lose, fair and square, as he's been doing so far, so that his supporters know that the chosen candidate is the will of the people.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:05 AM

24. Good thing he doesn't give a fuck what boston bean thinks

Go Bernie go, all the way to the convention!

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:08 AM

27. The FBI investigation is not over.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:09 AM

28. No, it isn't.

Imagine yourself as 2008's runner-up, and plan to maximize your influence on a Democratic administration.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:11 AM

30. When will the indictments come down?

The FBI must indict... no way out.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:12 AM

31. As a Hillary supporter, I don't think Sanders should drop out.

 

But, if next Tuesday goes the way I think it will, Bernie should tip his hat to Hillary. I think this is a fair position.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #31)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:25 AM

88. Off-topic, but I just wanted to say

I almost always agree with your posts. You say it the way I wish I'd said it, lol.

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Response to auntpurl (Reply #88)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:21 PM

114. Thanks

 

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:12 AM

32. Time for him to drop out, endorse Clinton, bring in his supports, and strengthin' the party.

 

But he will not do it, because it is all about him and his ego.

Democrats do not behave this way.

Ah, but then. Sanders is not a Democrat, is he and he does not have our best interest at heart, does he.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #32)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:35 AM

58. No it's all about the American people

Let all the states vote and all the people who'd like to vote D in the fall for a person not bought by big money. Keep going Bernie.

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Response to All in it together (Reply #58)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:38 AM

64. He isn't gonna be off tickets in future primaries, the people will be able to vote. Endorse Clinton

 

now

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #32)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:37 AM

90. Like Hillary did in 2008, before the primaries were over?

Oh wait...

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #32)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:23 PM

104. Democrats do not behave this way? Short memory.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:14 AM

34. Still wanting the Goldman Sachs speech that was worth 220K!

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:14 AM

35. Too much money to be made by Tad and Jeff. nt

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:16 AM

37. Why? He's still winning delegates.

 

And those delegates will be voting on the party platform and other issues at the convention.
If Camp Weathervane thinks Sanders is rough, they'll be in for a rude awakening against Trump. Poor delicate flowers.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #37)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:37 AM

63. This is true ...

... but, this is no longer a race for the nomination.

He can continue hoovering up as many votes as he can get and have a strong progressive influence at the convention, but he needs to change the tone of his rhetoric and refrain from bullshitting his supporters.

His choice now is whether to positively build his movement or burn down the establishment to the detriment of his legacy.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:18 AM

38. Lol.

 

Is your candidate using too much of her mud reserve, it is time for yours to drop out before she it she first femal candidate to cost the DNC the presidency, the house, and the senate.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:22 AM

40. You're damn right I'm responsible for my own vote and I'm sick of your condescension.

I will vote my conscience so I can live the next four years knowing I did the right thing.

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Response to Avalux (Reply #40)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:23 AM

43. Go.For.It!!!!!!!

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Response to boston bean (Reply #43)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:28 AM

50. Is your mission to drive voters away from Clinton?

 

If so you are doing a bang up job!!

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #50)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:35 AM

60. No, is yours? You are the one who is having a problem with voting for her. LOL

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Response to boston bean (Reply #60)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:03 AM

74. Your doing a wonderful job of it!

 

She doesn't need our votes, right?!? Go for it!

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #74)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:49 AM

95. If she needs these votes, vote for her! It aint got nothing to do with me.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #95)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:00 PM

97. Your effort to drive people away from her is bearing fruit!

 



Apparently her supporters condescending behavior does not come with an 'Off' switch...

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #97)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:01 PM

98. There you go blaming me for your ultimate action. If it helps justify these actions

keep on I guess.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #98)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:04 PM

99. I blame your intentional efforts, yes

 

Does condescendence and arrogance come with an off switch??

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #99)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:46 PM

108. I don't know. Why don't you tell me?

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:27 AM

47. Is this your personal GOTV effort?

 

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:27 AM

48. No way!

Bernie is bringing up important issues that would otherwise be ignored.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:35 AM

59. I hope that Bernie stays in until the convention

Clinton supporters can't control everything and they're not going to be able to control the Sander's campaign.

I'm sure they don't find that appealing, but just like the toddler who throws a tantrum because he can't get a Snicker's--you need to get over it and realize that you don't always get everything you want--just because you want it.



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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #59)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:09 AM

80. I hope he stays in until the last primaries

But then if he is still behind I think it's time for him to bow out gracefully. I don't see any point in staying in after people are done voting. However, I do not think he should release his delegates. In the unlikely event that Clinton is indicted or otherwise has to drop out, he will still have all the delegates he has won and thus will have the strongest claim to the nomination of anyone, whether or not he is still running. Moreover, even assuming she does win the nomination and is nominated at the convention, I still want Bernie's delegates counted at the convention.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:39 AM

67. I'm sure HRC can handle campaigning for nomination for 2 more months.


Bernie should fight for every vote and every delegate to show what his agenda can accomplish against the something like the Clinton machine.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:05 AM

75. So you "want people to stop voting?" Hillary's words, not mine

In 2008, she accused Obama supporters calling for her to drop out of "wanting people to stop voting." Guess it's now her supporters who want people to stop voting.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:09 AM

79. Oh, that'll convince him!

You are right about responsibility for our votes. But that doesn't mean that Hillary is a shoo in for Pres ... and won't mean that Berners are responsible should she lose. That's a false equivalency. Hillary has to win the election. We don't have to vote for her if we choose not to.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:10 AM

81. I'm a Bernie supporter and I agree.

He should keep campaigning though, and continue to build a movement. The primary campaign is just a distraction to that at this point.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:11 AM

82. I disagree!!!

 

He should have dropped out after the bro revolutionary army failed to show up and save his ass in Nevada.

But I will accept a surrender now at this late date!

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:14 AM

84. Thanks for giving me permission to be responsible for my vote. It won't be for Hillary nor the GOP

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Response to EndElectoral (Reply #84)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:46 AM

93. Thank you for not blaming me for it.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:38 AM

91. dont do it!

 

run her through the mud bernie.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:46 AM

94. I'm only voting for down ticket.

It's my right to do so.

If that makes me evil, so be it.

P.S. I live in a solid blue state.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:05 PM

100. Probably the most strident, condescending internet diarrhea I'll read today.

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Response to marmar (Reply #100)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:09 PM

102. be careful out there then.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:08 PM

101. Why, so Democrats can snatch defeat out of the hands of victory again?

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:45 PM

107. It is time for Sanders to suspend his campaign activities

 

say he wants his name put in on the floor, but start supporting Clinton and working on registering voters and working down ticket. Give him a few days to think it over and get on board. Anything else would be narcissism.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:49 PM

109. smearing??!! Are you kidding??!!

The artful one will be the candidate and she will win, I predict. But you got it twisted on the smears.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:23 PM

115. WOW bad idea!

been running into brick walls again have you?

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