2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBreaking News: Sanders Campaign Chief Vows Contested Convention-Won't be over in June.
Jeff Weaver just said on MSNBC that Bernie Sanders is taking this all the way to the 1st ballot in Philadelphia. Interview with Steve Kornacke at the MSNBC wall. He said that they intend to spend all summer lobbying the super delegates.
He's going the TMK-PJC 1980 divided party GOP victory route rather than the BHO-HRC United Dem victory route.
MSNBC about to go crazy on this. Brian Williams stressing the magnitude of Bernie's all the way to the convention vow just now!
Up to the super delegates to go en bloc to HRC on June 8th now to make it clear to Sanders that he won't be allowed to destroy the Democratic Party.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)We must seize this moment, it may pass and not come again for some time.
RandySF
(58,443 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Bernie got a very respectable vote in NY
riversedge
(70,047 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)And everyone knew it.
riversedge
(70,047 posts)R B Garr
(16,950 posts)and aggressive that all sounded. Weaver got some Eeewwww looks. Bizarre is right.
Renew Deal
(81,844 posts)He's getting rich
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Yup
LexVegas
(6,024 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)timlot
(456 posts)It adds up.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)k8conant
(3,030 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)k8conant
(3,030 posts)she's the one on a gravy train.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Expected on election night, but I doubt it will stick.
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)They are still going to stay in it?
They just spent a week trashing party fundraising. What is their grand argument going to be. Despite losing the popular vote and pledged delegate count we are stronger.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)If they still show Bernie leading Hillary, then they a have an argument to make. Not a great one, but worth trying.
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)Honestly, if the democrats get to 51 Senators in 2016 I'm ok with them kicking Bernie out of the caucus if he pulls that shit.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)EVen Chris Matthews says that Bernie is "in the passing lane" and going to be ahead of Hillary in the national polling soon. 48-50 as of two weeks ago.
It will come down to who is most electible. Bernie will have those numbers.
LoverOfLiberty
(1,438 posts)that national polling should decide the nominee? If yes then:
1. Would you support it if the situation were reversed and Bernie had the most votes and the most delegates but Clinton was ahead in the national polls?
2. Why have primaries at all? Why not just take a national poll and pick the nominee that way?
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)They do not like the way the middle class has been shafted with trade agreements since Billy Boy that have made the corporations rich and destroyed the middle class. They do not like the race to the bottom for wages in America or the fact corporations hide their profits in other countries instead of paying their fair share of taxes. They do not like that the richest people in America do not pay their fair share in taxes.
They do not like that banksters engage inrisky trading schemes where the banksters privatize the profits earned but have the govt make the taxpayers insure them against losses.
Bernie has MORE individual donations than any candidate in our history. Small dollar donations that people keep making because he is the first candidate to give them HOPE.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)continuing a futile campaign is a dollar taken from those people and wasted. If they want HOPE they can give their dollars to the Salvation Army or the Red Cross or to a homeless shelter. Not in supporting a candidacy which is over.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Have a nice time trying to elect Hillary, she who never met a cluster bomb or war she didn't love, without the support of the new voters Bernie has brought in, or those of us sick of seeing the Ds turn into the moderate Rs of our youth.
I'll get the popcorn ready, to watch the corporatists imploding!
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)...I'm donating to Bernie. It will continue and it is going exactly where I want it to be.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)hand should be.
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)Why should I worry?
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)onecaliberal
(32,774 posts)The one being investigated by the FBI.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Godhumor
(6,437 posts)That's thinking strategic!
Corporate666
(587 posts)There will be no contest.
Hillary will have the delegates and on the first vote, she will be nominated as the candidate for the democratic party.
What, exactly, does Bernie or Bernie supporters think is going to happen? I imagine they envision a wedding-like ceremony, where the top dog says "if anyone here has any reason not to grant her the nomination, let him speak now or forever hold his peace", and Bernie stands up, wagging his finger, and runs up on stage, grabs the mic and gives a speech to try to sway the delegates to his side.
It's just fantasy. It's not going to work like that. Even if Bernie decides to be a dick and refuses to concede and endorse Hillary, then what's going to happen is the first vote will happen, Hillary will EASILY be the nominee, by hundreds of votes, everyone will clap, she will give a victory speech, and Bernie will just be sitting in the corner waiting for a chance to 'contest' the results that never happens.
artislife
(9,497 posts)and in the end, we can either fall in line or
not.
bvf
(6,604 posts)quite a bit lately.
At least you've recognized that nothing is decided until the convention. That's a good start. Bravo!
Matt_R
(456 posts)There will be no contest.
Obama will have the delegates and on the first vote, he will be nominated as the candidate for the democratic party.
What, exactly, does Clinton or Clinton supporters think is going to happen? I imagine they envision a wedding-like ceremony, where the top dog says "if anyone here has any reason not to grant him the nomination, let her speak now or forever hold her peace", and Clinton stands up, wagging her finger, and runs up on stage, grabs the mic and gives a speech to try to sway the delegates to her side.
It's just fantasy. It's not going to work like that. Even if Clinton decides to be a dick and refuses to concede and endorse Obama, then what's going to happen is the first vote will happen, Obama will EASILY be the nominee, by hundreds of votes, everyone will clap, he will give a victory speech, and Clinton will just be sitting in the corner waiting for a chance to 'contest' the results that never happens.
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)... should have waited to talk until he had more specifics
PufPuf23
(8,750 posts)beaglelover
(3,459 posts)Stuckinthebush
(10,835 posts)It's going to be nasty here at DU!
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)It's already nasty.
NewsCenter28
(1,835 posts)His heart out for HRC the way HRC did for President Obama in 2008 and her husband did in 2012 when she couldn't due to being a senior government official. Nothing less acceptable.
Rachel is absolutely astonished!
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)will the DNC guarantee him "next time" , somehow I don't think so
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)I understand he and the Pope are practically on a first name basis.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)the Bernie group, he's already been beatified.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)The chance to show that he's a good loser, much like she did with President Obama.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)you see Hillary fans simply do not understand what Sanders started here or that it extends beyond him - he can not just say some words and have his voters magically go for Hillary- it simply doesn't work that way
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)continue with an ever increasingly negative campaign which only gives the RW more sound bites to use in the GE. He has the choice of having some influence on the party and platform if he does the right thing. Otherwise, I hope he likes being Senator from Vermont for the Socialist Party.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)sound bites and talking points for the GE and has now reached the point of mathematical certainty of failure. Who could argue with that?
k8conant
(3,030 posts)I'm tired of this sexist crap from Hillary supporters with very short memories.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)I wrote. You're overwrought with what happened to Bernie in NY.
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)I was remarking on the tone of 'what's he gonna get for his allegiance going forward'
That's the very definition of transactional politics.
Which I thought your side found to be a disqualifier.
Personally, I'm not against the concept of 'we're all in this together, you help my constituents, I'll help your constituents and we all move forward'. That's how stuff gets done.
He's in a very strong position right now to negotiate something worthy of his Senatorial talents.
But the longer he trashes the Democratic Party, the more that position of strength is diluted.
That's politics.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)I concede the point.
Have a better day ~
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)Response to NewsCenter28 (Reply #25)
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peacebird
(14,195 posts)The votes from most Bernie supporters. How can we trust her or believe a word out of her mouth? As Barack Obama famously stated "Hillary will say anything"
She has NO core conviction or belief, except perhaps that she is 'owed' the presidency. If she wins, we, the people in the middle and lower class, lose.
Except, perhaps, for the amusement of watching her impeachment hearings.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Algernon Moncrieff
(5,781 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)..he will "bring the revolution!"
All democrats must now unite to stop these libertarian greens from destroying the party and handing the White House over to that fascist Trump!
frustrated_lefty
(2,774 posts)Maybe she'll be indicted. Maybe the super-delegates will flip. Unlikely, but at least it will be on record as a contested convention. Be damned if she can claim a mandate.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)a contested convention.
frustrated_lefty
(2,774 posts)It will be contested. Math is hard.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Bernie will be having chats with President Obama and Elizabeth Warren about this "take it to the convention" silly talk.
Bleacher Creature
(11,250 posts)This thing is over and he knows it.
still_one
(92,060 posts)more he makes
Bernie will make the ultimate decision
still_one
(92,060 posts)SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)Superdelegates are not going to switch and the press is going to slaughter the campaign in the weeks up until the convention. You can't lose in the pledged delegates, popular votes, consistently get slaughtered by AA voters, and try to contest the nomination on the floor. He must have a shrine to the FBI, because that is never going to happen.
I give it about a week after June 7th/14th for a concession speech.
amborin
(16,631 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)and exposing her faults to all along the way. Waking people up.
Squinch
(50,901 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Well done.
ismnotwasm
(41,956 posts)Bravo.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Bernie's been saying this now for how long? (a really long time)
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)She can't win the pledged delegates needed, and there is voter disenfranchisement everywhere. Bernie supporters aren't accepting Clinton policies - so let's do this. On to the next contest, and let's do the best we can to bring home as many delegates as possible.
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)And of course a fraud...because he can't win...and making trouble for the Dems and Hillary is just plain spite.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)'nice' man his followers try to convince themselves he is. He's out for one thing, and one thing only. Bernie.
LostOne4Ever
(9,286 posts)[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Super delegates are undemocratic and neither candidate should use them in anything other than a tie of pledge delegates.
And regardless of who wins super-delegates and caucuses need to go. [/font]
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Can anyone explain to me just what the heck he gets out of dragging it to the convention floor, knowing full well he'll lose it on the first vote?
Is it ego? Is he pissed? Does he really, truly believe he can flip superdelegates who - at this point in a contentious race - can't stand him? Is it money?
Does he just want to burn down the party? Was that the intent all along?
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)votesparks
(1,288 posts)get to serve on these things called "rules committees".
BreakfastClub
(765 posts)of the most important revolution in American history.
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)Just out of curiosity, I visited the Facebook pages of a few random Super Delegates. The vitriol and abuse being heaped on those pages by Bernie supporters is so hateful, insulting, and rancorous that I'm sure that's going to factor into all of the interactions these delegates have with Bernie's campaign staff. Then again, that wasn't even the lowest thing I've seen. CNN's Facebook page had a post about the people who died in the flood in Houston and Bernie supporters were derailing the tragic topic of thread by ranting about CNN's delegate count. It was truly the most disgusting low point I've seen in this election.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Indydem
(2,642 posts)But I wish someone would make a $27 bill with Bernie's picture on it.
That would be great.
BreakfastClub
(765 posts)issue here is that Bernie is not really a democrat. He isn't loyal to the democratic party, and it wouldn't surprise me if he goes scorched earth and tries to bring the party down. He has nothing to lose because he isn't a part of our party. I hope I'm wrong and he will support Hillary in the GE, but I have my doubts.
madville
(7,403 posts)Hillary is forced to withdraw for say (unlikely) legal or health reasons, then he would have an argument for being next in succession. Not likely but a slim chance it could go down like that.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)He is everything Sanders claims not to be. Seems it was just an image.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)Love Weaver too
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)k8conant
(3,030 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)imagine2015
(2,054 posts)Depaysement
(1,835 posts)Neither Sanders nor progressives get anything by conceding now.
The comparison to 1980 is just plain silly for more reasons than anyone would care to go into.