Hillary's a Neocon

[XemaSab]

n/t

[Lucinda]

1. Nope. n/t

[daleanime]

5. If she talks like a Neo-con, makes arms sales like a Neo-con.....

and likes to bomb like a Neo-con....



then she might just be a Neo-con, whether you like to admit it or not. Sorry about that.

[NCjack]

15. And, the pay is good. /nt

[daleanime]

17. And the history books will say nice things about her.....

is anyone is around to read them.

[DookDook]

28. "Shall the Dust Praise Thee?"

I just hope that whatever life form takes over after we've screwed up the planet enough does a better job.

Hyperbole? I don't even know anymore.

[daleanime]

32. I'm being to think not.......

at the rate that the ocean is dieing I'll be around to see it, and I'm a 50 year old man with a weak heart.

[CoffeeCat]

31. Robert Kagan, the founder of the neocon movement was one of her advisers when she was SOS

I find it hilarious that anyone would debate this any more. This is settled science. She hand picked Robert Kagan--the Godfather of the neocon movement, to be one of her trusted, foreign-policy advisers while she was Secretary of State.

Libya is one of the countries that the neocons named in "Rebuilding America's Defenses" as a target. Iraq, Iran, Syria and Libya. The neocons feel that in order for America to retain its "empire" status, we need to dominate this region of the world.

Regime change and wars is how they do it.

Hillary handed them Libya on a silver platter. She's been gunning for a no-fly zone in Syria and arming the Syrian rebels for years. Obama had to say a resounding, "No" to her neoconning, when it came to Syria. He now says that his greatest foreign-policy regret was the Libyan aftermath. Libya was "Hillary's war."

Books have been written about her warmongering. It's a fact.

Some in the Democratic party willfully embrace this evil--that we used to be united against when Bush did it.

I miss the Democratic party and will fight to rid our party of this cancer.

[summerschild]

42. Don't let Democrats pretend they don't know Hillary's preferences

about war and peace.

Below, just a couple of handy-dandy references from a simple google of Victoria Nuland Kagan (wife of said Robert Kagan):

http://mycatbirdseat.com/2014/03/51005-crisis-in-ukraine-fomented-by-the-neo-con-kagan-family/

Crisis in Ukraine fomented by the Neo-Con Kagan family ...
mycatbirdseat.com › Foreign Policy & Israeli Lobby
Mar 6, 2014 - The Kagan family, Lithuanian Jews of Khazar ancestry, seems to have a .... Victoria Nuland Kagan of the U.S. State Department made a media ..

Hillary knew they were snakes when she picked them up. She even promoted Victoria within her State Department. We might as well have kept Bush and Cheney.

[reddread]

2. just her friends and mentors

she is the progressive who gets things done.

[daleanime]

9. Now remember, she never promised.....

that it would be the things you want done, just that she would do......things

[reddread]

16. I know who will be getting done

theyve been doing us for decades

[daleanime]

19. True....

[JoePhilly]

3. Another tweet suffering from delusions of grandure by masqurading as an OP.

[auntpurl]

10. +1

[stonecutter357]

4. lol

[LexVegas]

6. Don't lose mad...just lose. nt

[Buzz Clik]

14. dude's been here long enough to put up 69,000 posts, and he brought that OP?

Sad.

[VulgarPoet]

7. 'You are known by the company you keep'. Aesop. eom

[Maedhros]

33. A musical interpretation...

[brooklynite]

8. Bernie's a Socialist

[questionseverything]

22. so since you are the party big shot,please explain how this is legal

In a letter to the DNC, the Sanders campaign describes how Clinton may be commingling funds between her joint fundraising committee with the DNC’s Hillary Victory Fund (HVF) and her campaign fund Hillary For America (HFA) by having HVA subsidize and even make “impermissible in-kind” contributions to HFA directly.

The letter points out that $15 million was used from the HVF for direct mail and online solicitations solely for Clinton, meaning the small donor return would only benefit one campaign and not be disbursed amongst the committee. The letter further states that the HVF is paying Clinton campaign staffers on an over reimbursement basis, allowing the committee to inject large sums of money into her campaign at any given time.

A recent filing with Federal Elections Committee cited that over 9 million dollars was given to HFA by HVF while less than 2 million was disbursed to the other committee members.

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is she "borrowing" that hva money and will repay it or is this just more skirting around finance laws?

[brooklynite]

30. Simple answer (not that I think you'll accept it)

People tend to focus their attention on $353,000!!! But the reality is that most contributors to HVf are giving smaller amounts. And the Joint Fundraising Agreement lays out a sequence of payments:

First $2,700 goes to Hillary for America

Next $33,400 goes to DNC

Any remaining funds are allocated to the Federal Account of State Parties, either by specified priority or evening (Federal Account means the funds can be used on behalf of Federal Candidates: President, Senate and House).

So, with each contribution, Hillary for America gets funding, while the other accounts receive less, depending on the total contribution.

[questionseverything]

34. so basically she is using up the federal amounts on herself?

who decides how the federal funds are used?

[brooklynite]

36. The State Parties decide how to allocate funds

[questionseverything]

38. so basically the individual limit is 12,750 as long as the ten grand is laundered thru the state ?

any other work arounds i might be interested in?

[pdsimdars]

11. Remember when John McCain sang "Bomb, bomb, bomb, .. bomb, bomb Iran"?

He sang the song but I think it was Hillary who wrote the lyrics.

[reddread]

23. hers was a remake

and such a disgraceful thing to do to Beach Boys music.

[Buzz Clik]

12. ..

[Dem2]

13. Trash

Also, you forgot

oligharchist, 3rd wayer, marmonger, oh, and blah blah blah, oh, almost forgot, mass murderer. I'm sure I forgot 100 - 200 others.

[Baitball Blogger]

18. I weep for the children, if she wins.

I don't want to go through this twice in my lifetime.

[KPN]

20. And a NeoLib.

[amborin]

21. an especially dangerous, reckless neo con

[silvershadow]

24. Regular con, too. nt

[m-lekktor]

25. Yes she is. Her foreign policy stance is scary. nt

[artyteacher]

26. Nope. eom

[saidsimplesimon]

29. Truth this is.

Henry Kissinger is on Mrs. Clinton's most admired list (according to the texts she received on her private email account).

Please do a search and decide.

[CoffeeCat]

35. They don't care

If Hillary wanted to invade Rhode Island, they would spend their lives on DU, spewing the talking points.

DU was once united against the neocons. Each of us had strong words for Robert Kagan, the architect of the neocon movement. Now that Robert Kagan advises Hillary, neocons are hip and cool.

Bizarre and frightening. Never thought I'd see the day where this drek would be dragged into our own Democratic party and excused away. What has our party become?

[saidsimplesimon]

41. Thank you, CoffeeCat, some of US still care.

Our party seems lost, We will help our leaders find a way and force them to "represent US".

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

37. Just because whe acts like one doesn't mean she is one....or something.

Kinda like all those fake ducks quacking.

[Octafish]

39. She certainly runs in their circles.

Consider Victoria Nuland. She Marie's into PNAC.

Neocons and Liberals Together, Again

The neoconservative Project for the New American Century (PNAC) has signaled its intention to continue shaping the government's national security...

Tom Barry, last updated: February 02, 2005

The neoconservative Project for the New American Century (PNAC) has signaled its intention to continue shaping the government's national security strategy with a new public letter stating that the "U.S. military is too small for the responsibilities we are asking it to assume." Rather than reining in the imperial scope of U.S. national security strategy as set forth by the first Bush administration, PNAC and the letter's signatories call for increasing the size of America's global fighting machine.

SNIP...

Liberal Hawks Fly with the Neocons

The recent PNAC letter to Congress was not the first time that PNAC or its associated front groups, such as the Coalition for the Liberation of Iraq, have included hawkish Democrats.

Two PNAC letters in March 2003 played to those Democrats who believed that the invasion was justified at least as much by humanitarian concerns as it was by the purported presence of weapons of mass destruction. PNAC and the neocon camp had managed to translate their military agenda of preemptive and preventive strikes into national security policy. With the invasion underway, they sought to preempt those hardliners and military officials who opted for a quick exit strategy in Iraq. In their March 19th letter, PNAC stated that Washington should plan to stay in Iraq for the long haul: "Everyone-those who have joined the coalition, those who have stood aside, those who opposed military action, and, most of all, the Iraqi people and their neighbors-must understand that we are committed to the rebuilding of Iraq and will provide the necessary resources and will remain for as long as it takes."

Along with such neocon stalwarts as Robert Kagan, Bruce Jackson, Joshua Muravchik, James Woolsey, and Eliot Cohen, a half-dozen Democrats were among the 23 individuals who signed PNAC's first letter on post-war Iraq. Among the Democrats were Ivo Daalder of the Brookings Institution and a member of Clinton's National Security Council staff; Martin Indyk, Clinton's ambassador to Israel; Will Marshall of the Progressive Policy Institute and Democratic Leadership Council; Dennis Ross, Clinton's top adviser on the Israel-Palestinian negotiations; and James Steinberg, Clinton's deputy national security adviser and head of foreign policy studies at Brookings. A second post-Iraq war letter by PNAC on March 28 called for broader international support for reconstruction, including the involvement of NATO, and brought together the same Democrats with the prominent addition of another Brookings' foreign policy scholar, Michael O'Hanlon.

CONTINUED...

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/articles/display/Neocons_and_Liberals_Together_Again

FTI: Victoria Nuland, our woman in Ukraine, is married to PNAC co-founder Robert Kagan, whose brother is Frederick Kagan. Frederick Kagan's spouse is Kimberly Kagan.

Brilliant people, big ideas, and a lot of PNAC, which spells out the neocon/neolib approach to international relations means more wars without end for profits without cease, among other things detrimental to peace, justice, and democracy.

[EndElectoral]

40. Robert Parry in Consortium News says she is. Good read at link

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/04/16/yes-hillary-clinton-is-a-neocon/

Yes, Hillary Clinton Is a Neocon
April 16, 2016

Exclusive: The argument over whether Hillary Clinton is a neocon may have been settled by her hawkish debate performance on Thursday, which followed her Israel-pandering speech before AIPAC, reports Robert Parry.

By Robert Parry

If there were any doubts that Hillary Clinton favors a neoconservative foreign policy, her performance at Thursday’s debate should have laid them to rest. In every meaningful sense, she is a neocon and – if she becomes President – Americans should expect more global tensions and conflicts in pursuit of the neocons’ signature goal of “regime change” in countries that get in their way.