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I've seen a number of these "switched to Hillary" posts. (Original Post) LAS14 Apr 2016 OP
I take posts like that with a grain of salt. smiley Apr 2016 #1
yup AgerolanAmerican Apr 2016 #2
Go by your gut feeling Baobab Apr 2016 #18
And how would you know that.... all american girl Apr 2016 #3
Do you have facts that proves it's not? smiley Apr 2016 #5
Well, you are the one saying it...calling her a liar...maybe that's too harse of a word all american girl Apr 2016 #7
Does knowing anything about her story is inaccurate change your mind? Baobab Apr 2016 #22
I still think she's a liar. smiley Apr 2016 #25
Are you working for them and trying to get free help with your PR campaign? Baobab Apr 2016 #19
Nope, just a stay at home mom living in Europe because of my husband's job... all american girl Apr 2016 #42
a "gut feeling" about the article doesn't 'cut it'. you have to be able point out arguments in the Bill USA Apr 2016 #57
I could point out hundreds of things about hillary's arguments which are invalid and they are verifi Baobab Apr 2016 #60
Podium Bird told em... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #43
Same here Dem2 Apr 2016 #11
The litmus test for who is a Sanders supporter... joshcryer Apr 2016 #16
... smiley Apr 2016 #24
my guess its a large portion of paid operatives to create a propaganda message. boomer55 Apr 2016 #4
I have an old friend who told me a bit about that industry a few years ago when i ran into him Baobab Apr 2016 #20
Professionally composed HassleCat Apr 2016 #6
People switched to Hillary to support this... ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #8
a 9/11 truther video leftynyc Apr 2016 #14
Of course you would. And consider the vid as part of my sig line. nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #17
The end of that clip touched on the issue I most fear Hillary for passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #31
That you think Bernie leftynyc Apr 2016 #38
You really want to see a world war III nuclear version? passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #45
Awwww - another who thinks leftynyc Apr 2016 #46
You said that Bernie would do the same thing as Hillary. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #47
Willing to and will are two leftynyc Apr 2016 #48
Makilng statements like Hillary made passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #52
Oh, please spare me leftynyc Apr 2016 #53
So then I was right. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #54
Maybe that's not the right question matt819 Apr 2016 #9
Astroturf, in a lot of cases. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #27
I'll take people at their word. Why would anonymous posters on the internet LIE about such things? NurseJackie Apr 2016 #10
Sure you will. bvf Apr 2016 #30
Everyone should read this. Thanks much! Lucinda Apr 2016 #12
Every generation has had their 'revolutionary' candidate-but in the end anotherproletariat Apr 2016 #13
I think part of being optimistic is hoping that there will be some significant positive change. eastwestdem Apr 2016 #15
I doubt seriously any true Bernie supporter switched to Hillary. Simply not believable. ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #21
It sounds like you're talking about religion. "true" supporter sounds close to "true" believer... shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #34
A true supporter is a true supporter ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #35
A true believer is a true believer. This is just sounding more and more like religion. shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #36
Not really we've seen several articles claiming such but scratch the surface azurnoir Apr 2016 #40
I've seen stuff this election cycle that I wish to all my heart that I could un-see. delrem Apr 2016 #41
They are ridiculous ibegurpard Apr 2016 #23
Thank you, great article. Anyone who thinks Democrats are the enemy is a fool. betsuni Apr 2016 #26
Paid shills. Odin2005 Apr 2016 #28
Dissent will not be tolerated. None leave the collective. All will be assimilated. shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #37
in 2008 more of them were working for the other candidate Baobab Apr 2016 #61
The highlighted section in the article BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #29
Bernie Sanders passed amendments for solar power and community health centers. Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #66
Amendments yes ... but making a difference is not BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #68
I suspect there's some astroturfing going on democrattotheend Apr 2016 #32
K&R Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2016 #33
Such posts officially started the week after Bernie announced. delrem Apr 2016 #39
If they are DU people all you need to do is search their posts. LAS14 Apr 2016 #51
No. I don't call out posters by name. delrem Apr 2016 #62
Utter BS. RiverLover Apr 2016 #44
Paid shrills. B Calm Apr 2016 #49
Actually, I think this is a better comparison. (Graph below) Kittycat Apr 2016 #50
It's like Bernie invited himself to the Vatican. longship Apr 2016 #55
this is the BEST most astute analysis I have seen of the Sanders cult ANYWHERE. Bill USA Apr 2016 #56
Oh dear, I think that one got paid by the word. I couldn't make it past the 3rd paragraph jack_krass Apr 2016 #58
Yes. I find it unbelievable that a single person Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #63
Part of the long term game plan and not convincing. Skwmom Apr 2016 #59
RawStory: "Surprise! Author of viral ‘Becoming Anti-Bernie’..." pat_k Apr 2016 #64
What these essays have in common Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #65
Can you give us some examples? LAS14 Apr 2016 #69
This essay, the one at Daily Kos Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #70
There is the one recently who had an instagram account bobbobbins01 Apr 2016 #71
Do you really believe the Manhattan corporate lawyer who defends hedge funds started out for Bernie? Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #67

smiley

(1,432 posts)
1. I take posts like that with a grain of salt.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:28 PM
Apr 2016

Whoever wrote that has never been a Sanders' supporter.

 

AgerolanAmerican

(1,000 posts)
2. yup
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:30 PM
Apr 2016

Last one of those I saw, I checked out the person who claimed he just switched to Hillary (last week) but his opensecrets records showed donations to Hillary going back to August and none to Sanders.

Given that there's zero reason for a Sanders supporter to switch (people support Sanders basically because Hillary is exactly the kind of politician they don't want), I'd expect that every last one of these stories is a fabrication.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
3. And how would you know that....
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:31 PM
Apr 2016

just a gut feeling or do you have any facts to back that up? Just asking, because you seem pretty positive about it. I'm a Hillary supporter now, but spent a long time going back and forth before I decided on her...sometimes people do that.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
7. Well, you are the one saying it...calling her a liar...maybe that's too harse of a word
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:39 PM
Apr 2016

but something along those lines. I guess I'm willing to believe her.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
22. Does knowing anything about her story is inaccurate change your mind?
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:34 PM
Apr 2016

Last edited Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:15 PM - Edit history (1)

For example, the backdrop to her much hyped health care program was a trade deal that was quietly and systematically making affordable health care FTA-illegal, bit by bit. It was signed in 1995.

"her health care program" was contemporaneous with negotiations running up to the world trade organizations trade in services agreement which made most health care cost savings methods FTA illegal- basically - For example, creation of new "nonconforming monopolies" or "state owned enterprises" etc. FTA illegal.

the best work on the issue is a paper by a gentlemen named Nicholas Skala, in the International Journal of Health Services, Volume 39, Number 2, Pages 363–387, 2009

smiley

(1,432 posts)
25. I still think she's a liar.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 06:10 PM
Apr 2016

Sorry, but you were right in your first post. Gut feeling.

It seems to be what you're going on with your opinion also, correct?

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
19. Are you working for them and trying to get free help with your PR campaign?
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:25 PM
Apr 2016

If so, you should set up focus groups and pay people. Time is money.

Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
57. a "gut feeling" about the article doesn't 'cut it'. you have to be able point out arguments in the
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:59 PM
Apr 2016

piece and prove that they are invalid.

Having a feeling in your gut, doesn't prove anything.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
60. I could point out hundreds of things about hillary's arguments which are invalid and they are verifi
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:12 PM
Apr 2016

verified facts and indisputable.

For example, "her health care program" was a diversionary tactic so that Americans would not look at the negotiations running up to the world trade organizations trade in services agreement which made creation of new "nonconfrming monopolies" or "state owned enterprises" etc. FTA illegal.

the best work on the issue is a paper by a gentlemen named Nicholas Skala, in the International Journal of Health Services, Volume 39, Number 2, Pages 363–387, 2009

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
11. Same here
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:59 PM
Apr 2016

I am very skeptical of a person switching either way. I'm sure it happens, but I believe almost nothing of what I read in a political context.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
16. The litmus test for who is a Sanders supporter...
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:51 PM
Apr 2016

...is what happens when he endorses and stumps for her.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
20. I have an old friend who told me a bit about that industry a few years ago when i ran into him
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:30 PM
Apr 2016

on the street. Do you want to see what the hot news in his section of the world was at that time?

It was this paper: https://www.clear.rice.edu/comp551/papers/HalloyEtAl-RobotsAndRoaches-Science2007.pdf

he claimed it was interesting because it proved that deep pocketed clients could literally throw money at a problem and influence human behavior, exactly like they did with roaches, quite similar.

the fake bloggers just have to "smell right".

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
6. Professionally composed
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:35 PM
Apr 2016

The accounts I have seen all follow pretty much the same plot line, and use similar language, hit the same talking points, etc. Obviously, there is a bin of these somewhere, and some posters have access to the bin.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
14. a 9/11 truther video
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:45 PM
Apr 2016

Just how deep into the sewers are the Bernie people going to swim? I would think any real progressive would be thoroughly embarrassed at using this video - let alone posting it multiple times on this site.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
31. The end of that clip touched on the issue I most fear Hillary for
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 08:35 PM
Apr 2016

Her war hawk attitudes.

We would be able to totally obliterate them (nuclear war)


This comment comes in response to a possible Iranian nuclear attack against Israel. Jesus!

I think this clip is absolutely right on her attitude toward our military, regime change and support of more war. She almost acts like she looks forward to a chance to use our nuclear weapons again. As if we haven't learned from the first time.

She has always shown how power hungry she is personally, and as POTUS, she would be playing battleship in real life, with the power of our MIC. She lives for power...the power of the US to do anything it wants against anyone, any time, if it makes us appear stronger. Problem is, it does not really make us stronger. In the eyes of the world it makes us weaker. Less of a leader.

People who are cowards are war hawks. True bravery is working for peace in the midst of turmoil.
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
38. That you think Bernie
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:07 AM
Apr 2016

would do anything differently if Iran hit Israel with nukes shows the level of your fantasy about the man.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
46. Awwww - another who thinks
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:14 PM
Apr 2016

shoving words into my mouth is a replacement for intelligent, cogent argument. I didn't say anything like that. I said US President would roast Iran for nuking Israel and you'd have to be delusional to think otherwise. Is that too difficult an argument for you to follow?

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
47. You said that Bernie would do the same thing as Hillary.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:17 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary said she would use nukes. I don't think Bernie would.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
48. Willing to and will are two
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:33 PM
Apr 2016

entirely different things...as President, you can't take anything off the table. It gives the perception of weakness.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
52. Makilng statements like Hillary made
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:41 PM
Apr 2016

if she is not actually willing to do it, bluffing, is not good policy. Look at the countries that do that...Always authoritarian or dictatorships and war aggressive countries do this kind of bluffing...Putin, Netanyahu, Kim Jong-un, the ayatollah, and Republicans in the US.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
53. Oh, please spare me
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:55 PM
Apr 2016

the pearl clutching. I didn't say she was bluffing - willing to consider something and actually doing it are two entirely different things and has nothing to do with bluffing. When al assad ran over the "red line" that Pres Obama made, he made Pres Obama look like a neophyte weakling. It was an embarrassment. REAL leaders don't take anything off the table.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
54. So then I was right.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:18 PM
Apr 2016

You are OK with her going nuclear, like she said she might.

You can't have it both ways.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
10. I'll take people at their word. Why would anonymous posters on the internet LIE about such things?
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:46 PM
Apr 2016

But it's important to read what they say and how they say it.

If someone writes "I supported Hillary until I saw what an oligarch she was!" then I'm immediately suspicious.



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bvf

(6,604 posts)
30. Sure you will.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 07:14 PM
Apr 2016
Why would anonymous posters on the internet LIE about such things?


This is definitely one of the stupidest questions ever asked, at least since the internet's been around.

What's just as stupid is the supposition that anyone would want to hide such a gloriously idiotic string of words.
 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
13. Every generation has had their 'revolutionary' candidate-but in the end
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:42 PM
Apr 2016

it turns out that they are just a politician trying to gain power for themselves by saying whatever it takes to get the voters. Unfortunately the young voters are the most easily swayed, and not yet set in their ways politically. When it's all over, and they finally realize that the emperor has no clothes, they are either disillusioned and turn away from politics, or decide to try and work within the system we have to institute incremental change. Like it or not, this is how our democracy was set up by the men who wrote the rules almost 250 years ago.

I think one of the reasons we have such a low voter turn-out rate historically is because of those who were idealistic and then come to realized that our system is designed to work slowly, and that sudden change just doesn’t happen. People want instant gratification, and if they don’t see it coming, they withdraw. I expect that will happen to a fair number of Sanders supporters, but hopefully they will be able to put the blame where it belongs and not sabotage the Democratic nominee.

 

eastwestdem

(1,220 posts)
15. I think part of being optimistic is hoping that there will be some significant positive change.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:47 PM
Apr 2016

I know you are right about how things really work (and how things will probably turn out this year) but it is nice to see so many people getting involved. Hopefully they are not being filled with too much hate (on all sides), because either way there will be many more candidates and many more elections that need passionate supporters. I'm with Bernie until the end, but if he pulls out it may take a few weeks, but I'm sure I'll eventually support Hillary.

 

ThePhilosopher04

(1,732 posts)
21. I doubt seriously any true Bernie supporter switched to Hillary. Simply not believable.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:33 PM
Apr 2016

By the same token, I doubt there are many hardcore Hillary supporters who will switch to Bernie, though my guess is that's a more likely scenario considering he was relatively unknown as late as last May. Most minds are made up. It's a fight for soft leans and Independents, most of which are already with Bernie.

shadowandblossom

(718 posts)
34. It sounds like you're talking about religion. "true" supporter sounds close to "true" believer...
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:56 PM
Apr 2016

just pointing it out.

 

ThePhilosopher04

(1,732 posts)
35. A true supporter is a true supporter
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:58 PM
Apr 2016

They don't change barring a major turn of events which hasn't happened in this instance.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
40. Not really we've seen several articles claiming such but scratch the surface
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:16 AM
Apr 2016

and you find Hillary support going back to 2008 and before-really it's insulting to intelligence

delrem

(9,688 posts)
41. I've seen stuff this election cycle that I wish to all my heart that I could un-see.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:36 AM
Apr 2016

Betrayals and worse.

Like stop the clocks, I want to get off this ride.
But it isn't possible. So there's that for a kicker.

It's post citizens united, post internet and post social media, where both sides have learned how to coordinate PACs funded by unlimited dark money with their campaigns.

I tell ya, we've still hardly started seeing the fireworks as this money-bomb goes off and it isn't pleasant to be hit by it.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
23. They are ridiculous
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:35 PM
Apr 2016

And don't fool.anyone. they were never for Bernie. Would I settle for Hillary? It would be a Sophie's Choice...

betsuni

(25,472 posts)
26. Thank you, great article. Anyone who thinks Democrats are the enemy is a fool.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 06:14 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie Sanders is intellectually lazy.

shadowandblossom

(718 posts)
37. Dissent will not be tolerated. None leave the collective. All will be assimilated.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:09 PM
Apr 2016

It seems like nobody can disagree with you. Other people have other views. It's just life.


Baobab

(4,667 posts)
61. in 2008 more of them were working for the other candidate
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:18 PM
Apr 2016

that was why I voted for HRC. now, it seems she has them.

They may work for some third party, I can think of several industries that likely want Sanders to fail.

BlueMTexpat

(15,366 posts)
29. The highlighted section in the article
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 07:00 PM
Apr 2016

nails it, as does this description of his "work" in the Senate.

It turns out that, every year, year after year, he introduced the same legislation to make a point, and no one else ever seems to have signed on to it. To me, this looked like showmanship rather than governance — an exercise designed to highlight his own support for a very progressive agenda. The hard work is to draft a bill that your co-legislators can get behind, in the political climate that exists and in the place where you work.


I want someone who will work hard to address the problems we have, not pull stunts like last week's visit to Rome. That's why I support Hillary and have from the beginning, although at the beginning, I too liked SBS and was glad to see him in the race.

Now I absolutely do NOT. No way. No how. Nevermore. Enough.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
66. Bernie Sanders passed amendments for solar power and community health centers.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:31 AM
Apr 2016
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you



He cast one of the 60 votes needed to give us Obamacare.

Regarding the trip to the Vatican, if HRC had given a speech there about world poverty, would you call it a "stunt"?


BlueMTexpat

(15,366 posts)
68. Amendments yes ... but making a difference is not
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:48 AM
Apr 2016

simply an amendment here or there. Further, these amendments are certainly not specific to women's issues. Casting one of the 60 votes needed for Obamacare is laudable on Bernie's part, but hardly a maverick political gesture since he had plenty of good company. In fact, it seems somewhat hypocritical now when all he wants is to start over from scratch with health care instead of strengthening and building upon its good aspects as Hillary wants to.

Making a difference includes a long list of pro-women's and children's rights accomplishments such as Hillary accomplished - even before she was First Lady of the US - and has continued to accomplish since, even on a global level. Do you have any idea how courageous it was for her to go to Beijing, China in 1995, for example, to declare that "women's rights are human rights" and stand up to the Government of China's one-child policy and dowry rights? http://time.com/4125236/hillary-clinton-beijing-speech-video/ This speech, btw, is considered by American Rhetoric to be one of the top American speeches. See, e.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_Rights_Are_Human_Rights and http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/hillaryclintonbeijingspeech.htm It also helped to provide the impetus for the creation of UN Women (http://www.unwomen.org/en) in 2010.

What programs has Bernie initiated and seen through to fruition that have specifically helped women? What has he said about the outrageous and consistent GOPer efforts to overturn Roe v Wade and initiate personhood legislation, etc.? You should be able to find at least something if he is so much the better candidate for women.

In re your query about the Vatican, yes, I would indeed have called it a stunt, if Hillary had done it. I would possibly have called it something even worse.

But HRC has the great good sense not to get herself invited to any program in a foreign country that could possibly be misconstrued while she is in the middle of a campaign for President of the US; certainly she would never attend a program that was sponsored in a foreign country by a religious institution that has a long history of interference in internal governmental politics (although not so much in recent centuries) and certainly not one with severe anti-women reproductive rights policies. Not only is this mixing up Church and State - a REAL no-no per the US Constitution - it is against protocol, period. Foreign leaders, etc. tend to want to keep on the sidelines during political campaigns so that they don't inadvertently make an enemy of the person who ends up being elected. Hillary knows that and any candidate who has an actual glimmer about foreign policy also knows that. Bernie's doing this showed what an abysmal chasm there is between Hillary's knowledge and experience and Bernie's.

Bernie was under the mistaken impression that the document under discussion was written by Pope Francis. It was not, but rather by Pope John Paul II and he even had to be corrected while at the conference. Bernie also deliberately gave the impression to those who asked that his invitation had come from the Pope. It had not.

The Pope and foreign Heads of State (assuming they are compos mentis) will bend over backwards NOT to give the impression that they favor any particular candidate over another - especially during a US election. This is an unwritten role. Bernie and his campaign either didn't understand it or did understand and simply ran roughshod over it. Bernie's practically forcing a meeting with Pope Francis when the Pope's focus was on the serious humanitarian situation with refugees from various ME conflicts who are trying desperately to get to Europe and are currently in dire circumstances was a major faux pas.

From Bernie's own account of their meeting, he didn't even acknowledge the Pope's mission to Lesbos. Per CNN"s account,
"I just wanted to let him know how appreciative I was and the extraordinary role he's playing throughout the world in raising consciousness about massive levels of income and wealth inequality," he said. http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/16/politics/bernie-sanders-pope-francis-vatican-visit/

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
32. I suspect there's some astroturfing going on
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:25 PM
Apr 2016

I saw a post over the weekend that busted the Clinton campaign for doing that before.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
39. Such posts officially started the week after Bernie announced.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:15 AM
Apr 2016

Traditionally they have followed the 1_2 pattern of:
1. Post an op swearing some kind of loyalty to Sanders in the Sanders group;
2. one week later or maybe a bit longer, if the troll has that much restraint, post an OP to GD: P explaining why they're switching to Clinton.
Preferred, but optional, is some poetry explaining that the switch was because "Bernie supporters" are racist, misogynist, totally awful "Berniebros".

That's the tradition according to Brock, circa 2015-6.

So, where ya been, bro'?

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
51. If they are DU people all you need to do is search their posts.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:38 PM
Apr 2016

If they are any way in public life you can do similar research.

Can you point to one where there is no history to back up the story? I'm sure there are some, but there are a lot where history proves their story.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
62. No. I don't call out posters by name.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:55 AM
Apr 2016

Every supporter of Sanders who regularly reads the Sanders group knows the names of those posters who waltzed in there, declaring their loyalty to Sanders, and who then in a few moments of random 1's and 0's, of random pixels, posted their official creed of conversion to the HRC camp, thereafter to go for the nads of "Sanders supporters" as being the nastiest of vermin. There were enough of these lovelies to form a pattern.
Hey, perhaps it fooled you?
Every supporter of Sanders, even though they might not read the Sanders group very much, knows the Rovian fill_in_the_blanks hand outs of the "I'm a Bernie supporter but..." posters, and who they are.
But perhaps they fool you?

This is standard stock at this point in time, and your pretense that it has to be proven to you to exist, with call-outs of posters, before it can be admitted to exist, is going nowhere. You're just trolling for a "hide".

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
50. Actually, I think this is a better comparison. (Graph below)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:36 PM
Apr 2016

They stand within 2 pts of each other. A statistical tie.

Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
56. this is the BEST most astute analysis I have seen of the Sanders cult ANYWHERE.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:08 PM
Apr 2016

Last edited Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:38 PM - Edit history (1)

This woman must be an attorney or professional writer - or BOTH.

I have thought some of the points she made .. but she expressed them so well!

thanks for this EXCELLENT post!

recommended, bookmarked.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
63. Yes. I find it unbelievable that a single person
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:00 AM
Apr 2016

...was persuaded to vote against Bernie Sanders by EVERY criticism of him.

No matter how fair or unfair, big or small, about what he did or his supporters did, EVERY criticism of him combined supposedly got her to vote against Sanders.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
65. What these essays have in common
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:18 AM
Apr 2016

The authors of the "I used to be for Bernie Sanders but then I realized he's terrible" essays can never point to a prior essay in which they tried to persuade people to vote for him.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
70. This essay, the one at Daily Kos
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:12 PM
Apr 2016

...in which an anonymous writer claimed to be a guy in a photo cheering Bernie Sanders in a crowd at one of his rallies, and the one by a woman who is a Daily Kos front-pager. None of them wrote previous essays urging people to vote for Bernie Sanders.

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
71. There is the one recently who had an instagram account
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:36 PM
Apr 2016

And in it he was hanging out with Chelsea in 2015.

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