Why did Hillary not believe multiple women who said they were raped by her husband?

[Bonobo]

http://time.com/4177436/hillary-clinton-juanita-broaddrick/

Why This Democrat Won’t Vote for Hillary Clinton

'As Democrats, as women, we must ask ourselves: Do we stand with all women who report sexual assault?'

The aspect of feminism that affected me on the most powerful, personal level was the idea that when a woman came forward to report that she had been raped we would believe her — publicly and unanimously. I knew what it was like to have a man try to force sex on me; I knew what it was like to arrange my work life so that I could avoid the boorish men who made vulgar sexual remarks in the office.

But then I saw Juanita Broaddrick tell her story, and I had a physical reaction. In 1999, she described his visit to her hotel room and the sex he forced on her. I sat in my living room watching her describe that rape and I thought: “She’s telling the truth.” My response was not considered; it was visceral. If it’s possible that one woman can listen to another woman tell her story of rape and just sort of know that she’s telling the truth, I had that reaction.

So when Hillary Clinton tells you that “every survivor of sexual assault deserves to be heard, believed and supported,” realize that what she’s serving up is a classic Clinton dodge. She’s not saying that every woman who reports a sexual assault deserves to be believed. In that case, we would have to believe Paula Jones and Juanita Broaddrick.

As Democrats, as women, we must ask ourselves: Do we stand with the women who report sexual assault—all women: big-haired, “slutty,” trailer-park, all of them—or do we stand, once again, with the Clinton machine and its Arkansas droit du seigneur? But I won’t vote for a candidate who helped “destroy” the credibility of women who came forward to report that they had been preyed upon sexually by a powerful man. This year, for the first time in my voting life, I’m staying home.

[Joob]

1. More like why wasn't there a "fair" investigation. That's what I would look into

Because she doesn't have to believe them, but were they given a fair investigation? Or were they ignored simply because it was Bill Clinton. That's what people need to ask, and look into.

[CorporatistNation]

14. The Question That IS OFF The Table With Hillary To Date It Would Seem Is...

WHY!
Why Hillary would did you stay?

[roguevalley]

82. the state police who delivered women to Bill at hotel rooms was the place to start.

having girlfriends invited to the going to washington party is another. There is a huge contempt for women in bill that Hillary has obviously accepted and learned to live with. Not me. He's a piece of work.

[840high]

91. .+1

[AgingAmerican]

133. They later recanted and admitted they made the "a girl named Paula" story up

Don't embarrass sanders with this sort of right wing nonsense.

[krawhitham]

127. You can bet Trump will ask it many times

[ChisolmTrailDem]

2. Blind and unmitigateable ambition. nt

[rhett o rick]

21. Bingo. nm

[840high]

31. +1

[Hiraeth]

59. amoral ambition. no scruples. yep

[CharlotteVale]

66. ^^this^^

[BreakfastClub]

95. Horrible women and their blind ambitions. How dare they be ambitious. nt

[tk2kewl]

99. so do you think a woman's ambition...

trumps a fair investigation of another's rape?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

132. What the fuck are you implying? Where did I say anything about gender? You need to check yourself!!

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. You know, bad, bad Bonobo, this is a RW smear

(For the record, trying to update on the Ecuador quake, so I am in a classic EMS bad mood, gallows humor, expect it)

[Bonobo]

8. Wouldn't it be awesome if you could weasel out of everything like that?

Imagine if all you had to do to avoid responsibility for -for example, breaking someone's car- was to point out that the person that accused you of it was a "bad person"?

LOLOLOLOLOL.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. yup

[jmg257]

4. Because it wouldn't have helped her career. There's a pattern here. nt

[RandySF]

5. Well, Bernie did write that women fantasize about being raped.

[Kalidurga]

7. So

[msongs]

12. yes but when a superior man does this sort of thing its ok nt

[beam me up scottie]

17. And many women do, why are you trying to shame them?

And who reads an essay on gender stereotypes and thinks it's all about rape?

[beam me up scottie]

36. Sorry alerter, your attempt to shame me failed. Maybe you should do some research.

You sound like you need to broaden your horizons, women do indeed fantasize about rape (among other things) and there's nothing wrong with it. Juror #3 has a good link to start with and Google should be able to help finding more. Best of luck!

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Suggesting women fantasize of rape.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:29 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: oh FFS!

Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Factually there have been many studies about this so the responder isnt making it up. For example one (of many) from Psychology Today: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201508/why-do-women-have-rape-fantasies

Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This has been discussed in numerous posts. The essay on gender stereotypes is documented. I strongly suggest that the alerter take some time and actually research the subject instead of looking for posts to alert on. It is well documented....use the Google.

Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's an opinion many do not agree with, but still an opinion.

[rhett o rick]

22. .

[SusanCalvin]

32. Oh phhhht. Go read the entire essay. nt

[redstateblues]

57. Why? it's repulsive

The thought of Bernie talking about masturbating. I'll pass

[beam me up scottie]

65. Because it's about gender stereotypes not masturbating.

Feminists have written the same kinds of articles but I suppose that's too icky as well.

[SusanCalvin]

68. If you're not willing to read the (short) essay,

There's no point in continuing this conversation.

[Armstead]

45. And some men act out the equivalent in the Oval Office

[passiveporcupine]

46. Many women do

Fantasizing about it is not scary, it's sexy, and it's your dream, so you are in control.

The real thing is a power trip, nothing sexy about it at all, and it's terrifying.

But, being a guy I bet you don't understand that at all.

[Silver_Witch]

56. If you are going to keep posting this - post the whole damn thing

Bernie was making a point about relationships between men and women....

Here is the content - see the bold portion to get the point of the article.

A man goes home and masturbates his typical fantasy. A woman on her knees, a woman tied up, a woman abused.

A woman enjoys intercourse with her man — as she fantasizes being raped by 3 men simultaneously.

The man and woman get dressed up on Sunday — and go to Church, or maybe to their 'revolutionary' political meeting.

Have you ever looked at the Stag, Man, Hero, Tough magazines on the shelf of your local bookstore? Do you know why the newspaper with the articles like 'Girl 12 raped by 14 men' sell so well? To what in us are they appealing?

[tk2kewl]

100. far cry from actual raping

[DisgustipatedinCA]

122. Multiple Real women have accused Bill Clinton of Real rape

You're bringing up a piece of fiction, but Bill Clinton has been accused by multiple women of being a RAPIST. Meantime, the Federal Bureau of Investigation is deciding whether to recommend FELONY CHARGES against Hillary Clinton for mishandling classified information.

So you go on with your bad self talking about a 40-year old piece of fiction.

[redstateblues]

6. Those NY primary polls are bringing out the right winger in you

The smell of desperation is in the air. You are channelling your inner Michael Savage/Rush Limbaugh. Your Republican driven impeachment only made Clinton's approval rating go through the roof.

[Bonobo]

9. Wouldn't it be awesome if you could weasel out of everything like that?

Imagine if all you had to do to avoid responsibility for -for example, breaking someone's car- was to point out that the person that accused you of it was a "bad person"?

[Autumn]

11. It's not the polls, it's called responding in kind. nt

[Bonobo]

16. Yup.

I woke up to the 70's "rape fantasy" post and decided it would be fair to talk about things that actually left emotionally crippled victims in their wake.

[Autumn]

27. Funny how any actions by the Clinton's are always RW smears.

so much baggage.

[Bonobo]

39. I asked a simple question below: "Why should these women who said they were raped..."

NOT be believed?

Is it because the Bill Clinton has shown himself to be incapable of such behavior?

Or is it because to believe the victims would be harmful to the Clintons and mean that Hillary engaged in behavior to quash the accusations and help to discredit the victims?

[BillZBubb]

10. She had to protect her own political viability, no matter who got trashed.

She's a phony on just about every issue, even feminist issues. She'll be on the side of an issue that most helps feed her ambition and bank account. She will "evolve" as necessary to keep getting what she wants.

[Peregrine Took]

13. "Better put somethin' on that."

Oh ya!

[Zira]

18. She CHOSE not to believe them.

She chose to be dishonest about them. She threw women into the fire. And she is not a true feminist.

Just like her supporters choose not to see blatant corruption even when they've been provided links and videos showing Hillary in her own words.

I demand honesty so I don't understand people who go for dishonesty even when it's blatant.
These people are self-serving, I guess.

[SFnomad]

19. You couldn't get much more right wingnut smear than this

Must be the desperation settling into the BS cheerleaders. They're starting to realize that the end is near for BS.

[Bonobo]

20. So she DID believe them? nt

[rhett o rick]

23. .

[JoePhilly]

115. + 100

[pinebox]

119. Bill raping women is now a RW fantasy

and Monica Lewinsky is apparently only a plushy doll, right?

[AgingAmerican]

134. It was debunked 20 years ago

When the State troopers admitted they made the story up.

[barbtries]

128. i think it's bullshit too.

and i am a Bernie supporter, until it is a mathematical impossibility for him to win.

[Fairgo]

24. Bill Clinton / Bill Cosby /Bill O'Reilly

One of these things is not like the other...oh wait, maybe not.

[brooklynite]

25. IOW - I'm afraid Bernie is going to lose so I'll throw about whatever might stick...

[SFnomad]

28. This is just so desperate ... it's sad.

Bernie Sanders deserves better then this.

[Armstead]

47. No -- Some Clinton supporters are dragging out some dimb thing Sanders wrote in the 70's

It's called payback in kind

[redstateblues]

61. They know it's over-they are gonna throw shit bombs in desperation

[SFnomad]

26. So when are the BS cheerleaders exhuming Vince Foster's body? That's got to be next, right? n/t

[Bonobo]

33. So you agree with Hillary that those women should be disbelieved out of hand. Gotcha. nt

[SFnomad]

35. When did you start swallowing right wing lies and smears? n/t

[Bonobo]

37. So you believe that the women who said they were raped should not be believed, right?

Why?

[SFnomad]

38. So you've been swallowing right wing lies and smears for awhile .. gotcha ... n/t

[Bonobo]

40. It's a simple question: "Why do you not believe the alleged rape victims"? nt

[SFnomad]

42. Juanita Broaddrick filed an affidavit with the court during the Paula Jones suit ...

that stated that no non-consensual sex happened with Mr. Clinton. But Juanita Broaddrick continues to be brought up by right wingnut sites all the time and now by BS cheerleaders.

So I ask you, why are you swallowing the lies and smears from the right wing? It's a simple question.

[Bonobo]

43. She recanted that and reaffirmed she HAD been raped. Not uncommon when your rapist is powerful. nt

[Bonobo]

50. Looks like you couldn't deal with the message without attacking the messenger.

BTW, Hillary herself said that rape victims should be believed.

[AgingAmerican]

131. The claims were disproven decades ago

Despite the wfforts of Limbaugh and the GOP

[NanceGreggs]

29. Why have MILLIONS more voters ...

... voted for Hillary as opposed to voting for Bernie?

Maybe it's because they think bullshit like this has nothing to do the fact that Hillary is the best candidate for POTUS.

[840high]

34. Destroying women is not BS.

[NanceGreggs]

81. Posting pure crap like this OP ...

... is definitely BS.

[840high]

83. I get it - facts mean nothing to you.

Convenient amnesia.

[NanceGreggs]

84. Oh, facts mean a lot.

And the FACT is that Hillary will be the nominee, and the FACT is that posts like to OP won't change that.

[840high]

86. I feel sorry for you that

you only care about her winning. How about caring for this great country of ours.

[NanceGreggs]

88. If I didn't care about the country ...

... I wouldn't care about her winning.

[Bonobo]

87. You're right. It won't. But that doesn't mean I will help conceal the ugliness. nt

[Punkingal]

30. That was a very good article.

I know exactly how that writer feels. I did not believe Paula Jones, but I can remember seeing Juanita Broderick's interview, and I did feel like she was truthful. Her pain came across in he things she said, her body language, just everything about her. I can remember how my heart sank when I was listening to her.

This is not a right wing smear, either. This is a legitimate story.

[Beacool]

41. You keep posting muck.

You may try going to Free Republic, they love these kinds of posts.

[Bonobo]

51. And you keep re-victimizing rape victims. nt

[Beacool]

52. Don't be disingenuous.

You're only posting this junk in an attempt to trash Hillary.

[Bonobo]

53. I am posting it because I think it reflects who she is. nt

[Beacool]

54. Yeah, because wives are responsible for their husband's actions.

[Bonobo]

60. If she had believed the first victims and not helped squelch things, there may not have been future

victims.

It goes to her value system and her hypocrisy.

[Beacool]

63. LOL!!!

[840high]

89. In fact she became an enabler.

[ky_dem]

126. wives aren't responsible for their husbands' actions - they are responsible for staying with them

I'm a woman and I cannot respect a woman who 'stands by her man' and is willing to be disrespected and humiliated repeatedly by her husband, I cannot respect a woman who doesn't fight for the women her husband victimized, I cannot respect a woman who sets that kind of example for her children

[redstateblues]

55. sure -after all this time you suddenly care

you know it's close to over for Bernie

[Bonobo]

62. It is important that these issues be seen. nt

[creeksneakers2]

44. Why didn't she believe?

Probably because she's in love. Love does that.

On top of that, Bill has been the victim of many right wing lies. So has Hillary. It wasn't far fetched to believe these were lies too.

I don't believe Paula Jones to this day, and for good reasons. Juanita Broderick seemed very credible. She had a good explanation of why she denied the rape previously. Still, she told two stories, so I can't be certain the second one was the truth.

I don't remember Hillary saying anything to destroy any woman's credibility.

[840high]

90. Did you forget the names she

called these women?

[creeksneakers2]

123. I don't remember Hillary calling any of them names

I googled around it for a half hour and didn't see anything. I don't think she did.

[xloadiex]

49. I believe every single woman that came forward

A leopard doesn't change his spots.

[Bjornsdotter]

58. Yeah, me too n/t

[redstateblues]

64. Politics-remember Linda Tripp? Maybe she can be one of the speakers at

Bernie's next rally. That should put Bernie over the top

[Bonobo]

67. So you also believe the rape victims were lying. Right? nt

[AgingAmerican]

69. Right wing Ken Starr nonsense

[Bonobo]

70. So you agree with Hillary that they should be disbelieved out of hand, right? nt

[AgingAmerican]

71. I saw and heard it in the 90s as it unfolded

And concluded long ago it was right wing hogwash. Ken Starr talking points.

[Bonobo]

72. Because Bill doesn't seem the type of guy to do that kind of thing? nt

[AgingAmerican]

73. It was a bunch of bullshit

It didn't happen. It's a Republican talking point.

[Bonobo]

74. Many rape victims are disbelieved. You can see her account, in brief, here.

Sorry if the person that posted it is not "our type of person", but it IS a link to her account of the incident and deserves to be watched.

People may conclude she is a liar, but Hillary has said in the past that rape victims deserve to be believed.

It may be inconvenient to believe her, but that's where this gets rather disgusting = not believing a victim because it is inconvenient.

[AgingAmerican]

130. Apparently you are too young to remember

It started with Arkansas state troopers making up a story about a "girl named Paula". They later admitted they made it up under pressure from the GOP and Limbaugh. Do your homework before posting ancient debunked right wing smears.

[Bonobo]

136. Paula Jones is not the person I am talking about. nt

[AgingAmerican]

138. Broaddrik was originally brought in by Jones' lawyers

Before the State Troopers recanted.

Why embarrass Sanders with this right wing Limbaugh crap?

[Bonobo]

140. So you are saying that she is a liar. I get it. Maybe you should watch the video.

Many people found it quite convincing to see her give her account of the rape.

[AgingAmerican]

141. She called herself a liar

[Bonobo]

142. She recanted her affadavit saying that it wasn't true.

She was either lying that it didn't happen or lying that it did happen.

[AgingAmerican]

143. She came in with Paula Jones as part of her BS lawsuit that was thrown out

When the original story was found to be unfounded.

[mythology]

75. Because this paragraph while emotional, is mind-bogglingly stupid

But then I saw Juanita Broaddrick tell her story, and I had a physical reaction. In 1999, she described his visit to her hotel room and the sex he forced on her. I sat in my living room watching her describe that rape and I thought: “She’s telling the truth.” My response was not considered; it was visceral. If it’s possible that one woman can listen to another woman tell her story of rape and just sort of know that she’s telling the truth, I had that reaction.

No you can't look at somebody on tv and say with any degree of certainty that they are telling the truth. It's just as stupid as Bill Frist diagnosing Terri Shiavo as not being in a vegetative state from a tv image or Bush saying he looked into Putin's eyes and knew Putin's soul. It's just not possible at a rate higher than a coin flip.

It's an emotional appeal, but not one I find credible in terms of believing that some random person can see a tv interview and be sure.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/ulterior-motives/201312/can-you-tell-when-someone-is-lying

http://io9.gizmodo.com/no-you-cant-tell-someone-is-lying-by-reading-their-mi-1454953226

[HereSince1628]

105. Visual truth 'tells' in communication are often as obvious

on video as they are in person.

The degree to which some people are good liars and some are not good at catching lies is what con-men depend upon.

[NanceGreggs]

76. Desperation.

Bernie is losing. He is NOT going to be the nominee.

Posting this kind of crap is not going to save him.

[Gomez163]

77. Because Broaddrick signed an affidavit denying she'd

been raped. And Jones waited 4 years to sue. And then her case was dismissed.

[Bonobo]

78. She recanted that and later said that she had been raped. nt

[Gomez163]

79. That's why she wasn't believed.

[Bonobo]

80. Sometimes women do that when they are pressured by fear. nt

[JoePhilly]

116. Spouses generally want to believe that their partner's would never cheat.

Its actually very common.

The fact that you think a woman must believe her spouse has been cheating suggests you don't care about that woman or her feelings in such a situation.

[floppyboo]

92. Your attitude is why women don't come forward

And its an attitude that makes me feel sick. Why do you think there is a debate going on at large - mostly in progressive circles - about rape culture and how to deal with it.

You are part of the problem. And so is Hillary.

[Gomez163]

114. This was a right wing hoax

[floppyboo]

121. and you are playing right along with your righteous indignation. Good luck with that. nt

[AgingAmerican]

135. Rush Limbaugh and Michael Reagan were running radio ads seeking women 'raped' by Bill Clinton

This OP is an embarrassment.

[TheDormouse]

85. The solution isn't "staying home"; it's voting for the opponent

Bernie Sanders is a feminist.
Why would you stay home and let Clinton (or one of the Republicans) get elected?
That makes no sense.

Hundreds of millions of people in many other countries don't even have any real choice in choosing their "elected" leaders. People in our own country's history have died for the right to vote.

You must be living a pretty comfortable life to opt to stay home rather than to exercise the right to vote, no matter how unhappy you might be with the choice of candidates.

Use it or lose it.

[Bonobo]

94. I never meant to imply I would stay home. nt

[floppyboo]

93. Vote down ticket!!! Don't stay home - please?

you don't have to vote for prez.

[merrily]

96. What on earth makes you think she didn't believe them?

[tirebiter]

97. To just sort of know

falls under the heading of reasonable doubt.

[betsuni]

98. The '90s called, they want their right-wing fake scandals against Democrats back.

[Vinca]

101. If you're a Hillary supporter, you'd better get used to it.

Kathleen Willey has already indicated she's ready to hit the campaign trail against the Clintons and the rest of them can't be far behind.

[betsuni]

102. But it doesn't matter if I'm a Hillary supporter or not. I was around for the '90s

when Newt Gingrich and Republicans were giving press conferences every single day about how horrible liberals were --- hypocrites!

[Vinca]

104. Me, too. I remember the cigars and blue dresses and the whole nightmare.

I'm not looking forward to reliving it.

[boobooday]

112. Even if I agreed with her approach to governing, which I don't

My heart sinks and my stomach churns at the thought of four or even eight years of hearing about the Bill and Hillary scandalrama. One go-round through the nineties was enough for me.

And not all, but a good portion of the scandals were the result of poor judgement (at least) on their part.

[Firebrand Gary]

103. Disgusting post on every level.

Your desperation is clear, what a horrible OP you've posted.

[dr60omg]

106. I agree but want to mention Monica Lewinsky and the incommensurate power relation

I was raped. It was almost 40 years ago. I have not forgotten what it feels like not to be believed. It was a person in a position of power over me. Lewinsky you might say was an adult (but barely). She was still a student, a college student and she did not want to come forward.
And yet Clinton said every woman must be believed ... well, it would be nice if she would do the same when so many women have come forward with the same story about her husband.
But, Monica felt guilty and left the US and her life is totally destroyed. Did Mrs Clinton accept her apology? NO And it should not have been Lewinsky to apologize.
Like the author I will never vote for someone whose husband is a sexual predator (even if his medications render that a non-starter so to speak). I will never vote for a woman who says we ought to take all women seriously and then denigrates each and every person who came forward willingly and unwillingly to tell their story
That is not feminism that is faux-feminism
I will stay home, I will vote for Stein, I will write in Sanders, heck I would even write in Mickey Mouse

But there are many feminisms not just first wave bourgeois feminism and certainly not a feminism where the shouts of voices unlike your own are never heard.

[whathehell]

107. Paula Jones never claimed to be assaulted. She did claim

a sleazy come on by Bill, but, that's quite different than "rape" or assault, so we must be careful not to lump them all together.

FWIW, I believed Paula, but was unsure of Broderick...The problem is, there were so many Right Wing attacks on Bill Clinton, it was hard to know who was telling the truth and who was just acting as a RW operative. -- Anyone who recalls that time remembers how the RW went into overdrive on the Clinton's. -- White Water, the impeachment, etc. It was hard to know what to believe.

[apnu]

108. The most reasonable post here. (Nt)

[whathehell]

113. Thank You. n/t

[JoePhilly]

117. + 100

[oberliner]

109. This article is from January

Caitlin Flanagan has been bashing Hillary for many many months.

[vintx]

111. Do feminists all have to automatically believe every allegation is true?

Just one more reason for me to stop considering myself a feminist.

I know it's rare but false rape allegations happen

This is slimy. Unrec

[COLGATE4]

118. You're on a roll today. First, trying to beat up on Hillary

for work she did as a court-appointed defense lawyer 30 or more years ago. Now, we're back on Bill's transgressions in the White House. We understand you don't like Hillary and aren't going to vote for her. Do yourself a favor and subscribe to Free Republic- you'll meet lots of folks who are obsessed with the same things you are.

[pinebox]

120. More fact denying from Hillary supporters

If Hillary is the nominee, you can best damn well believe that the GOP will be bringing this full throttle in the elections. In fact it's an ace in the hole attack. Bill was impeached, plain and simple. He had sex in the oval office. Plain and simple. This will all be coming out again in the open for all of America to see and relive and there's a lot of new voters this election cycle. Sorry but I'm guessing a whole of american's won't want Bill anywhere near the White House should Hillary be the nominee.

More GOP firepower for impeachment of Hillary on day 1.

[treestar]

124. I think it is natural for the wife not to

And to not want to believe it.

[Dan]

125. I think that ...

No, I guess I won't finish that thought.

But I wonder, if we wake up after the elections with a GOP president - will we feel vindicated by our desire to find someone perfect.

I separate HRC the political from the personal. What is between her and Bill (personal lives) is none of my business. Why she chooses to stay or leave - likewise.

[EndElectoral]

129. Bill lied about the Lewinsky sex. We know he did. HRC is in a bind here.

Difficult to say women who report being raped like the two mentioned above should be marginalized when HRC says “every survivor of sexual assault deserves to be heard, believed and supported.” The word believed is included in her statement.

In the same way Cosby is being called to task, Bill has been accused of the same, and caught lying in one instance of sexual relations.

It's a difficult position for HRC here. Bernie won't hit this at all. The GOP will.

[Vattel]

137. One should not believe every accusation of rape.

Look at the evidence and use your best judgment.

[akbacchus_BC]

139. I beg to differ. Bill Clinton did not rape any of the women. He was

an effing womaniser. Have no idea if any of the women thought he would leave Hillary for any of them! No idea what he promised the women he was making out with.

Hillary will stick by her man as she knew what her agenda was. She is now looking for you all to take her and Bill to the White House on her terms!

I am terribly confused about American politics. You have a liar on the Dem side and a clown on the Repub side! Who would you want to vote for?

[Demsrule86]

144. The entire thing was a rightwing smear

Broderick was the least convincing...seriously. I am surprised you can post this stuff here.