was this Hillary's worst debate performance to date?

[reddread]

just wondering what others thought.

[astrophuss42]

1. There were many cringe worthy moments

Fewer than the Univision one, though

[reddread]

3. how about audience reaction?

She was left hanging a few times with uncomfortable silence.
reminded me of Jeb Bush prompting applause.

[astrophuss42]

6. I'm going to be perfectly honest

I thought the reception was a lot warmer than it should have been.

[reddread]

10. really?

I saw no pyre.

[mythology]

2. I suspect that will depend on which candidate one prefers

[reddread]

5. I dont see why

plenty of reasons to see it one way or another.
in terms of booing and lack of applause?
this was quite a debate.

[apcalc]

40. This is not a sports event

Audience for both sides poorly behaved and rude.

[reddread]

41. welcome to America!

[roguevalley]

60. they aren't god and the audience participated. They can't take it, leave. This is New Yawk!

[Punkingal]

4. Yes.

[NCTraveler]

7. Possibly. And she still came out on top. nt.

[riderinthestorm]

8. No and I say that as a Bernie supporter

I think they both did pretty well. Bernie gets the nod from me because he's really gotten under her skin and is pushing her to publicly go farther left as exemplified by the $15 minimum wage issue etc.

I also give him mad props for his honesty on the I/P issue.

[NorthCarolina]

9. My favorite parts was when Hillary had to wait until the

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chants subsided so she could answer her question. The look on her face was PRICELESS.

[revbones]

11. She was pretty bad in the previous one.

I think she tried to counter and blunt Bernie more this time since last time was a surprise. She came in better prepared both in policy and in tactics such as talking over him after interrupting him to run out his time. She was obviously more prepared by citing his book, etc...

Bernie stumbled a bit out of the gate, just a bit but neither was super strong then. I think he's somewhat flabberghasted by the sheer volume and size of her lies and that isn't something you can adequately prepare for. Her insistence that she's always supported a $15 min wage, her lies on Vermont guns, etc... How do you prepare to debate someone that won't even stick to facts and just makes up new positions on the fly?

I think Hillary is still living in the past where you cannot fact check things on the Internet so it's a reflexive habit to just lie and say what works at the time.

All that said, I think Bernie cleaned her clock in the second half.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. LOL

All that said, I think Bernie cleaned her clock in the second half.

LOL

[reddread]

17. I felt a little sorry for her

and America.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. I feel a little sorry for you

and America.

[revbones]

19. As I do you.

But I'm sure you feel the same and will respond as such.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. If you are anything you are perspicacious.

[hueymahl]

38. "perspicacious"

That is a $10 word for sure. Had to look it up. "having a ready insight into and understanding of things: it offers quite a few facts to the perspicacious reporter."

Always good to learn something new.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

45. I complimented him for having the perspicacity to know how I will respond.

Do you think he will return the favor?

[reddread]

20. how sweet. thank you.

you might have to work for my sympathy.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. I don't need nor want it.

Love,
DSB

[reddread]

28. maybe after PA?

I'll try to save something for you in a cup or something.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. Wish in one hand and excrement in the other. See which gets filled first.

Love,
DSB

[reddread]

30. but which do you want in the cup?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. Duno. Sure one of us had a fill of both of em.

Love,
DSB

[lagomorph777]

50. I'm a Bernie supporter and I felt like he didn't do his homework

He had to have known what most of the questions would be - and some of them should have been GIFTS! But he stumbled. She was like a machine, prepared to the hilt.

Bernie, please do some homework! A little oppo research (on Google fer heaven sake) will go a LONG way. She has plenty of factually provable weaknesses; please provide some details and she will topple.

[bobbobbins01]

12. She seemed strong for about 5 minutes

then got rocked the rest of the night. I don't know if it was her weakest, but she definitely had more boos last night than any other debate. The crowd was wise to her shtick.

[apcalc]

43. She dominated him

He is not prepared other than the same lines he has been delivering for 50 plus years.

[bobbobbins01]

51. Yup, keep repeating it to yourself, maybe it'll come true.

I'd rather have someone who repeats himself for 50 years than someone who changes course every 50 seconds.

[EndElectoral]

14. Pragmatism before Progress!

Thought she did well on guns, but the rest of the debate I thought was her worst performance.

Evasive, deflecting to other issues than those asked, continually talked when moderators asked to stop indicating internal tension that she needed to speak so others can't, and when caught in lies double downed. Body language filled with resentment.

Unable to give a consistent answer on minimum wage, unable to answer yes/no on the soc sec cap., horrendous answers on foreign policy, retreated to Roe v Wade which wasn't even asked when she was uncomfortable, was an embarassment to her claims about transparency when asked about the transcripts.

Bottom line, I didn't see a leader, or a person willing to make any real strides as a President, no real "vision." The overall message is "we have to work within what we have now," and "we need to take back the congress" Stuff that isn't really leading, but doubling down on her message of pragmatism rather than progress.

Perhaps, this is her new slogan. Pragmatism before Progress!

Frankly, just doesn't do anything for me.

[Avalux]

15. I can't write out my 73 year old mother's comment about Hillary's debate performance.

The post would be deleted.

Suffice it to say - Hillary's behavior was extremely off-putting. My friends and family in PA are even more committed to voting for Bernie now.

[Hiraeth]

23. Please PM me with her comment!! I just have to know.

oh lordy, I just know it will be good.

[CentralCoaster]

56. Me too!

My mom, now gone, had choice words in 2007-2008.
NSFW, but heartfelt.

[Hiraeth]

57. I hope she sent you a PM. The woman is a treasure!

[bigwillq]

16. They were both awful (nt)

[sadoldgirl]

21. From my point of view it was worse.

Quoting her republican father and talking
about "free stuff" is to me one of the key
talking points of the Repuglicans.

To hear that at a democratic debate from
one of the candidates was unbelievable.

Bernie was okay, but not at his best.

[brooklynite]

22. Nobody who had a chosen candidate changed their minds...

...nobody who didn't have a chosen candidate was significantly drawn one way or the other.

[CoffeeCat]

25. It was her worst performance ever and it was Bernie's best

I actually watched the debate twice. After the pundits were done ruminating, I watched the entire thing AGAIN.

Hillary is usually very poised, calm and articulate in debates. I would agree that she often has the upper hand in debates, when it comes to style points. There have been a couple of debates where she was in firm command.

Last night's debate was not one of those nights. She didn't totally bomb. She had some very impressive moments, especially when she waxes poetic about foreign policy. Bernie is Bernie (and that's why we love him), but she is definitely more polished.

However, she was totally off last night. Big time. So much so, that I am wondering if the FBI investigation isn't heating up. It's highly likely that her aids are being interviewed. This would be a paradigm shifter. It would be the first time that the Hillary camp could get an accurate reading on the FBI's case against her, how serious this is and what is likely to happen. There are other signs that this is the case, as Obama has publicly made comments about the investigation.

Hillary's tone and tenor was similar to how she acted during the embarrassing finger-wagging episode with the Greenpeace activist. Anyone would get riled up during a debate. However, she seemed generally angry, on edge and terse, most of the night.

I noticed a big difference in her mood last night, compared to other debates.

I actually think that's the big story of this debate. There's no story, as far as blunders or this debate being a game changer.

[reddread]

27. I think it is the real numbers in NY

and after that event at the Apollo?
that was the highlight of this primary season.
after all the white sleights,
what a way to wrap it up.

[CoffeeCat]

48. People have mentioned "internals" and "real numbers"

There have been rumblings about both camp's internal polling showing a tighter race.

I have literally laughed off most polling at this point. It has been highly inaccurate. Bernie has won many races and the polls have been off on the numbers by 20 as much as points.

There are many signs that Bernie is doing well in NY and many reasons to think he could do well. In upstate NY, he has done extremely well. Plenty of colleges/universities in those areas. Fracking is HUGE in upstate New York. Zephyr Teachout won several of these fracking-focused counties with 70 percent of the vote with her staunch anti-fracking stance! She may have lost against Cuomo, but she managed to get 36 percent and that shocked many people. She did it by winning those upstate NY counties, and I think Bernie has them in the bag.

I think Bernie has done very well in NYC. Plenty of young people and he's done a great job of campaigning there. Being from Brooklyn doesn't hurt either.

[reddread]

54. they have been selling polls they paid for since WAY back

and the only poll that matters happens in the voting booth (or caucus)

and those polls are quite different in hindsight.

[unc70]

58. I suspect you are right

Clinton has seemed even more stressed than usual the last few days. During the debate, it appeared more than just Sanders getting under skin. I think it likely the FBI.

I have been looking for clues to when the interviews were / will be with the FBI. My guess would be that they have already begun with her staff.

[islandmkl]

31. "well...."

after watching Hillary last night I find myself incapable of directly answering a yes-or-no question...

hopefully a nap will restore my faculties...

[reddread]

32. I know I will think thrice before starting anything with "Well,"

an absolute habit.
and I will try very hard to actually answer any questions put to me.
for Hillary's sake.

[salinsky]

34. It was too cantankerous from both candidates ...

... I will imagine that if Bernie doesn't win NY, the hammer will come down.

This was good for a while, but the White House has to be getting nervous about turning the keys over to a Repuke in November if this continues.

[reddread]

35. whose election is it, anyway?

[apcalc]

36. She was brilliant

[reddread]

37. "a bright shining light"

[ViseGrip]

39. Yes, she was rude as hell. And the audience let the public know they don't buy her B.S.

[apcalc]

47. And he continues his

Rude finger wagging. Soooooo off putting....as if he isn't going to get a turn....he silently interrupts

[bbgrunt]

42. while I've been a Bernie supporter all along, last night's debate

performance by Hillary make me physically ill. Watching her trying to bulldoze her way through every point and out-macho the neocons told me we are in big trouble if she is elected. She has only become more polarizing as time goes on. I cannot imagine such a damaged soul in charge of this country. Her false bluster and steaming resentment about Gaza was clear proof of her lack of presidential posture.

So, for me, her performance was appalling and definitive.

[amborin]

44. was working, didn't see it, but by all accounts, she lied constantly

[tabasco]

46. I'm glad they asked about the banker speech transcripts.

She had nowhere to hide on that question.

[apcalc]

49. Bernie totally unprepared

To go beyond his pat talking points....same speech he has delivered many times...

[tabasco]

53. H. Clinton has nowhere to hide

when confronted with the truth.

[Faux pas]

52. I can't stand to look at her or

listen to her. Others will have to answer this one for you.

[NorthCarolina]

55. Anyone have a link to a picture of her standing at the podium

looking out over the audience while they were chanting Bernie-Bernie-Bernie? Her facial expression was one for the history books, the look of contempt was plainly visible.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

59. "she was outright laughed at"

when that happens you are toast

[reddread]

61. that moment made my stomach jump

would that they could exit gracefully.
this will be the death of the Party.
I still feel sorry for her.
its as if America and our sense of the Democratic Party AND process
had jumped the motherfucking shark.
and I am not OK with that.

[Lucinda]

62. LOL