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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:40 PM Apr 2016

Jewish Members of the NYC Council Endorse Hillary for President

Jewish Members of the NYC Council Endorse Hillary for President
by Jacob Kornbluh, Jewish Insider Posted on Apr. 12, 2016 at 9:03 am

In a joint statement issued on Tuesday, twelve members of the New York City Council’s 14-member Jewish Caucus announced their endorsement of Hillary Clinton ahead of the April 19 New York presidential primary.

http://www.jewishjournal.com/election2016/item/jewish_members_of_the_nyc_council_endorse_hillary_for_president
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Jewish Members of the NYC Council Endorse Hillary for President (Original Post) workinclasszero Apr 2016 OP
This is not a time for learning on the job–especially when it comes to the challenges facing Israel JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #1
I'm sure that's part of the reason why they're endorsing Hillary. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #2
If they're aware of the speech then it is doubly disappointing that they would say that JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #3
that's a relatively mild smear when the subject is Israel geek tragedy Apr 2016 #4
Well, that's lovely. JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #5
if you want to know how nasty this place can get when that subject comes up geek tragedy Apr 2016 #6
WOW JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #8
and, yes, he's a registered Democrat and will be voting in our primary nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #9
Well, good thing it's a closed primary so only long-time progressives can vote. JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #10
Dov Hikind shows just how big a tent the Democratic party is azurnoir Apr 2016 #7
Exactly! DetroitSocialist83 Apr 2016 #11
The irony thickens... Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #12
Your last line nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #13
When the oppressed becomes the oppressor... Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #14
I would say that Zionism was truly changed nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #15
Perhaps... Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #16
It truly did change nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #17
Kick oasis Apr 2016 #18

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
1. This is not a time for learning on the job–especially when it comes to the challenges facing Israel
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:42 PM
Apr 2016

Fascinating. Are these leaders aware of the in-depth speech Bernie made ?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-aipac-israel_us_56f072eae4b09bf44a9e34a1

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
2. I'm sure that's part of the reason why they're endorsing Hillary.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:44 PM
Apr 2016

It's good policy but really terrible politics in NYC.

The Iran deal was very controversial here.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
3. If they're aware of the speech then it is doubly disappointing that they would say that
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:45 PM
Apr 2016

It is essentially a smear of a lack of experience when they don't want to engage on the real issue: our hawkish ME foreign policy and support for Israel which has committed atrocities and treats its Palestinians as lesser humans.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
4. that's a relatively mild smear when the subject is Israel
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:48 PM
Apr 2016

around here.

Jerry Nadler was called a kapo for voting for Obama's Iran nuclear deal.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
6. if you want to know how nasty this place can get when that subject comes up
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:53 PM
Apr 2016

go ahead and google the name "Dov Hikind." Former JDL member, big fan of Meir Kahane.

And remember as you read up on him--he's a Democrat.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
8. WOW
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:58 PM
Apr 2016

Dov Hikind, a Brooklyn assemblyman, held up photos of Muslim men at a news conference last week and said: "The individuals involved [in terrorism] basically look like this. Why must police think twice before examining people of a particular group?"

Hikind said he planned to introduce legislation that would allow police to focus on Muslims in subway searches. He was joined by James Oddo, a New York City councilman from Staten Island, who promised to introduce a similar bill in the council.

"There is a particular group who engage in these [terror] activities," Oddo told New York 1, a cable television news station. "They're not skinny balding Italian Americans from Staten Island."




http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2005-08-14/news/0508140188_1_subway-commuters-pennsylvania-station
 

DetroitSocialist83

(169 posts)
11. Exactly!
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:30 PM
Apr 2016

It's time for slaughtering more Arabs in interventions and staging more Latin American coups! Hillary is perfect for the job!

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
12. The irony thickens...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:39 PM
Apr 2016

Just because Hillary supports Israel's extremist policies wand goes to the RW organization AIPAC, they endorse her over someone whose parents survived Holocaust and have actually learned from history.

Bernie Sanders - Jew: Endorsed by Muslims.
Hillary Clinton - WASP from the South: Endorsed by retired Jews in Florida and some RWer from NYC.

I guess it's the difference between the two - one who plays on identity politics without actually having any ties to the one the candidate is pandering to, the other does not and plays on "we are all in this together"...
I guess people resonate better with identity politics, that it has to be about THEM rather then "we are all in this together".

Hence the endorsement from the RW extremist Dov Hinkin. A guy who complains about Passion of the Christ, but want to enforce racial profiling resembling another country in the 30s.

They are now trying to label any criticism of Israel as anti-Semitism and endorsement of terrorism.
Anyone who has ever opened a history book about WW2 can see the similarities between Israel's RWers and the rhetoric of a certain demagogue in Europe 80 years ago.

I once said 20 years ago that nothing shocks me, and little surprises me - nothing new under the sun. Was I wrong? Well, it certainly raises a few questions about people's political association and their motives for their choices and endorsements.

History teaches us that we learn nothing from History.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
13. Your last line
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:43 PM
Apr 2016

History never repeats, but it sure rhymes

As to NYC politics...it gets weird...and some are...I will leave it at that

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
14. When the oppressed becomes the oppressor...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:54 PM
Apr 2016

Checked out the history of this Dov Hikin.

Looks like his family comes from Ukraine and has as much historical ties to Israel and Palestine as Hillary Clinton.

When religion and ethnicity becomes tools for ethnic cleansing, extending Western colonialism.

Makes me want to revise my childhood views (somewhat naive) regarding the ideology of Zionism. It gets more and more distasteful as I see the true motives from the ones adhering fanatically to it.

My last line was somewhat inspired by Einsteins quote on insanity.

Humanity's lack of self awareness is stunning sometimes.

THAT is what really surprises me.

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
16. Perhaps...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 10:45 PM
Apr 2016

However, the RWers do have a "proud" legacy to take care of.

The entire Israel project was rooted in racism and western imperialism from the get go. They would rather have westernized, white Jews running the country rather than brown Muslims after the fall of the Ottoman empire's fall. The fact that Herzl's ideology coincided with western interests is just one of those funny historical coincidences.

The aftermath of WW2 gave them an opportunity to copy the policies from their old German enemy in Palestine - making the Palestinians pay for the crimes of Christian Europeans.

Yet here we are today - demonizing Muslims, Islam and Palestinians as the greatest threat against "Western Civilization", "Christian Values" or whatever the motives might be. (I am no fan of the extremists who runs Saudi Arabia, or many other Islamic countries however. As far as Islam goes, it's a god myth based on Jewish and Christian mythology. Remember, both Jesus and Santa Claus are white.)

The biggest paradox here is that American WASPs think that being a Jew gives you the right to take the land from a Palestinian as a part of "their inheritance" and "right to return" while living in a country whose legacy is ethnic cleansing, auto - genocide, and slavery. Having warped the lessons learned from the Iroquois to something else. (Another reference to European arrogance.)
And they base their stance on historical entitlement, ethnicity, and religion, attacking Bernie for being anti-Israel just for having pointed out that also Israel must follow international law. Him being a Jew whose parents survived Holocaust.


Peace

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
17. It truly did change
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 10:46 PM
Apr 2016

and you only have at best, one quarter of the history. At best, And I will leave it at that. I suspect we both would waste our time. Free hint, Palestine was not ever close to the first choice.

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