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Jewish Members of the NYC Council Endorse Hillary for Presidentby Jacob Kornbluh, Jewish Insider Posted on Apr. 12, 2016 at 9:03 am
In a joint statement issued on Tuesday, twelve members of the New York City Councils 14-member Jewish Caucus announced their endorsement of Hillary Clinton ahead of the April 19 New York presidential primary.
http://www.jewishjournal.com/election2016/item/jewish_members_of_the_nyc_council_endorse_hillary_for_president
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Fascinating. Are these leaders aware of the in-depth speech Bernie made ?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-aipac-israel_us_56f072eae4b09bf44a9e34a1
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)It's good policy but really terrible politics in NYC.
The Iran deal was very controversial here.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)It is essentially a smear of a lack of experience when they don't want to engage on the real issue: our hawkish ME foreign policy and support for Israel which has committed atrocities and treats its Palestinians as lesser humans.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)around here.
Jerry Nadler was called a kapo for voting for Obama's Iran nuclear deal.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)go ahead and google the name "Dov Hikind." Former JDL member, big fan of Meir Kahane.
And remember as you read up on him--he's a Democrat.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Dov Hikind, a Brooklyn assemblyman, held up photos of Muslim men at a news conference last week and said: "The individuals involved [in terrorism] basically look like this. Why must police think twice before examining people of a particular group?"
Hikind said he planned to introduce legislation that would allow police to focus on Muslims in subway searches. He was joined by James Oddo, a New York City councilman from Staten Island, who promised to introduce a similar bill in the council.
"There is a particular group who engage in these [terror] activities," Oddo told New York 1, a cable television news station. "They're not skinny balding Italian Americans from Staten Island."
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2005-08-14/news/0508140188_1_subway-commuters-pennsylvania-station
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)DetroitSocialist83
(169 posts)It's time for slaughtering more Arabs in interventions and staging more Latin American coups! Hillary is perfect for the job!
Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)Just because Hillary supports Israel's extremist policies wand goes to the RW organization AIPAC, they endorse her over someone whose parents survived Holocaust and have actually learned from history.
Bernie Sanders - Jew: Endorsed by Muslims.
Hillary Clinton - WASP from the South: Endorsed by retired Jews in Florida and some RWer from NYC.
I guess it's the difference between the two - one who plays on identity politics without actually having any ties to the one the candidate is pandering to, the other does not and plays on "we are all in this together"...
I guess people resonate better with identity politics, that it has to be about THEM rather then "we are all in this together".
Hence the endorsement from the RW extremist Dov Hinkin. A guy who complains about Passion of the Christ, but want to enforce racial profiling resembling another country in the 30s.
They are now trying to label any criticism of Israel as anti-Semitism and endorsement of terrorism.
Anyone who has ever opened a history book about WW2 can see the similarities between Israel's RWers and the rhetoric of a certain demagogue in Europe 80 years ago.
I once said 20 years ago that nothing shocks me, and little surprises me - nothing new under the sun. Was I wrong? Well, it certainly raises a few questions about people's political association and their motives for their choices and endorsements.
History teaches us that we learn nothing from History.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)History never repeats, but it sure rhymes
As to NYC politics...it gets weird...and some are...I will leave it at that
Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)Checked out the history of this Dov Hikin.
Looks like his family comes from Ukraine and has as much historical ties to Israel and Palestine as Hillary Clinton.
When religion and ethnicity becomes tools for ethnic cleansing, extending Western colonialism.
Makes me want to revise my childhood views (somewhat naive) regarding the ideology of Zionism. It gets more and more distasteful as I see the true motives from the ones adhering fanatically to it.
My last line was somewhat inspired by Einsteins quote on insanity.
Humanity's lack of self awareness is stunning sometimes.
THAT is what really surprises me.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)By that RW. Hertzl is probably doing summersaults
Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)However, the RWers do have a "proud" legacy to take care of.
The entire Israel project was rooted in racism and western imperialism from the get go. They would rather have westernized, white Jews running the country rather than brown Muslims after the fall of the Ottoman empire's fall. The fact that Herzl's ideology coincided with western interests is just one of those funny historical coincidences.
The aftermath of WW2 gave them an opportunity to copy the policies from their old German enemy in Palestine - making the Palestinians pay for the crimes of Christian Europeans.
Yet here we are today - demonizing Muslims, Islam and Palestinians as the greatest threat against "Western Civilization", "Christian Values" or whatever the motives might be. (I am no fan of the extremists who runs Saudi Arabia, or many other Islamic countries however. As far as Islam goes, it's a god myth based on Jewish and Christian mythology. Remember, both Jesus and Santa Claus are white.)
The biggest paradox here is that American WASPs think that being a Jew gives you the right to take the land from a Palestinian as a part of "their inheritance" and "right to return" while living in a country whose legacy is ethnic cleansing, auto - genocide, and slavery. Having warped the lessons learned from the Iroquois to something else. (Another reference to European arrogance.)
And they base their stance on historical entitlement, ethnicity, and religion, attacking Bernie for being anti-Israel just for having pointed out that also Israel must follow international law. Him being a Jew whose parents survived Holocaust.
Peace
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and you only have at best, one quarter of the history. At best, And I will leave it at that. I suspect we both would waste our time. Free hint, Palestine was not ever close to the first choice.