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Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:41 AM

Four Myths Keeping Clinton Afloat

Tuesday, April 12, 2016

Four Myths Keeping Clinton Afloat
by
John Atcheson

Published by Common Dreams



Myth # 1 – Hillary is more likely to beat Republicans in the general election

For months now, polls show that Sanders has done better against Republican opponents than Hillary. In fact, he wins against opponents she loses to. In the latest polling, for example, she beats Trump by only 9 points, ties Cruz, and loses to Kasich. Meanwhile, Sanders beats Trump by 20 points, Cruz by 12 and Kasich by 11. And Republicans are plotting on ways to select a more electable candidate if the convention is deadlocked, so running Hillary is risky for Democrats.

This is especially true since her trustworthiness and likability ratings are both negative, (exceeded only by Trump’s) which makes it difficult for her to pick up support beyond what she now has. Sanders, on the other hand, has the highest likeability and trustworthiness rating of any candidate, Republican or Democrat, which means he is likely to pick up more support the longer he runs.

Bottom line: not only does Hillary do worse against Republicans than Sanders, she has unique vulnerabilities that make her a risky candidate for Democrats to run. Indeed, running Hillary may be the only way the Democrats could lose the Whitehouse.


Myth #2 – Hillary knows how to get things done

This is one of her favorite lines and it gets picked up by her many surrogates in the press. The fact is, it doesn’t bear scrutiny. For example, she only sponsored 3 Bills that became law during her 8 year tenure. One established an historic site in New York, another renamed a Post Office, and the third named a portion of a highway in New York after Timothy J. Russert.

How about her claim of being able to work with Republicans? Politifact, which normally finds at least a little truth in just about any statement, rated her claim that “…every piece of legislation, just about, that I ever introduced had a Republican co-sponsor” as flat out false.

Ms. Clinton also didn’t rank as particularly progressive, according to GovTrack.us, a non-partisan organization which has been keeping stats on legislators for several decades. And while she introduced a lot of Bills, she had a very low rate of getting them to become law, relative to the average Senator over the years.

Bottom line: She didn’t get a whole hell of a lot done, and she wasn’t particularly progressive.

Incidentally, Sanders also sponsored 3 bills during his Senate tenure that became law. Two were largely ceremonial, much like those Clinton sponsored. The third Bill added $17 billion to the Veterans Health care system, gave the Administrator of the Veteran’s administration broad powers to fix a broken system, and extended educational benefits to veterans and their dependents. In short, it was consequential. And Bernie got it done with bi-partisan support.

Finally, GovTrack rates Sanders as one of the most progressive members of Congress.

In short, he’s a real progressive who got real things done.


Myth #3 – Sander’s isn’t a real Democrat and he isn’t doing anything to help the Party’s downballot candidates

Where you stand on this depends upon how you define a Democrat. If it’s merely a label that can be worn by anyone regardless of their positions, then Sanders is guilty as charged. And certainly Hillary has offered financial and other help to Democrats that Sanders has not.

But if you believe that being a Democrat is about values, not labels, then Sanders is doing a tremendous amount to help the Democratic Party at all levels of government.


The fact of the matter is, the Democratic Party left the people behind decades ago, when they embraced the pay-to-play political model that now dominates our elections and our governance.

Hillary helps status quo Democrats who wear the label, without necessarily embracing the values that once defined the Party as the Party of the people.

So what is Sanders doing to help Democrats? He’s making it safe run on the New Deal values that defined the Party for much of the 20th Century. That’s the Party that brought unprecedented prosperity to our country from the end of World War II until the 1980’s. Since then, the Party has been running from the notion that government can be a force for good; that it could and should assure a level playing field for all, both economically and socially; that capitalism was in need of strong regulation and restraint if it was to serve the masses rather than the few; that our planet was worthy of protection and preservation.

These were not only ethically correct; they were winning political issues too. And as Americans are strongly progressive on an issue-by-issue basis they still could be, if Democrats hadn’t been bought off and scared off ever since Reagan’s big con.

Finally, Sanders is attracting new voters to the Party, and these voters will ultimately help elect more progressives at every level of government
– something Democrats desperately need if they are to avoid the disastrous low turnout that crippled the Party in 2014, when a mere 36.4 per cent of eligible voters showed up -- the lowest voter turnout in 72 years – and Republicans won big at all levels of government.

Bottom line: Sanders has made it safe to be a real Democrat again and he’s attracting much needed new voters, and is likely to have the coattails to help Democrats in Congressional and state races. Hillary is busy propping up the status quo, which will limit turnout.


Myth #4 – Her experience gives her an edge

At the end of the day, experience counts for you only if you got things right, or at least learned from your mistakes.

Hillary is pretty much batting zero on all counts.
Her foreign policy is basically the same as the neocons. She voted for the Iraq war, then compounded the error by supporting regime change in Libya and Syria. Her economic policies are soft on Wall Street and she’s refused to back the $15 minimum wage. Finally, all this experience seems not to have given her a consistent view of policy. She’s flip-flopped on energy policy, trade agreements, crime issues, tax policy, regulation of the big banks … on and on it goes.

Bottom line: Ms. Clinton has loads of experience but she’s demonstrated poor judgment.

Experience without judgment merely allows her the opportunity to make the same mistakes over and over again. Experience without independence assures that she will. And taking money from Wall Street, fossil fuel interests, the pharmaceutical industry and other fat-cats assures that she has no independence.

Sanders, on the other hand, has demonstrated good judgment in both domestic and foreign affairs and he is dependent only upon the people of the United States – as our Constitution intended.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/04/12/four-myths-keeping-clinton-afloat

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(Bold for emphasis is my own.)



GO Bernie!!!!

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Reply Four Myths Keeping Clinton Afloat (Original post)
RiverLover Apr 2016 OP
Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #1
SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #18
haikugal Apr 2016 #28
geek tragedy Apr 2016 #2
DrDan Apr 2016 #34
Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #37
Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #3
RiverLover Apr 2016 #4
Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #6
Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #5
RiverLover Apr 2016 #7
Nanjeanne Apr 2016 #15
RiverLover Apr 2016 #23
Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #16
SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #19
islandmkl Apr 2016 #26
mindwalker_i Apr 2016 #8
RiverLover Apr 2016 #13
firebrand80 Apr 2016 #9
RiverLover Apr 2016 #10
SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #20
Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2016 #32
haikugal Apr 2016 #29
brooklynite Apr 2016 #11
SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #21
brooklynite Apr 2016 #24
SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #38
mythology Apr 2016 #12
RiverLover Apr 2016 #22
Scuba Apr 2016 #25
pdsimdars Apr 2016 #14
Rebkeh Apr 2016 #17
dchill Apr 2016 #27
VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #30
JoePhilly Apr 2016 #31
Skwmom Apr 2016 #33
Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #35
rock Apr 2016 #36
Rebkeh Apr 2016 #39

Response to RiverLover (Original post)

Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:45 AM

1. ^ Simply this. But her marketing campaign has sorta worked. People bought her bullshit.

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Response to Bread and Circus (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:01 AM

18. that is a lot to buy

 

one would need a supertanker to transport

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Response to Bread and Circus (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:30 AM

28. They've had decades of practice. It's called propaganda and manufactured concent.

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Response to RiverLover (Original post)

Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:45 AM

2. that, and voters nt

 

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:39 AM

34. yeah, there is that pesky little fact

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:22 AM

37. Well...low-information ones, anyway.

 

Unfortunately, there are plenty of those.

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Response to RiverLover (Original post)

Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:46 AM

3. It helps...

That nearly every MSM outlet keeps on stating that the above myths are fact. That keeps those BS myths being believed as truth by the majority of her supporters and the population at large.

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Response to Else You Are Mad (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:49 AM

4. Bingo.

That's it right there.

Propaganda is corporate media. We need to just call them that rather than giving them the title of media, which implies journalist integrity & honesty about current & past events.

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Response to RiverLover (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:04 PM

6. What it comes down to...

Is that the MSM has eschewed journalistic intercity/ethics in order to make massive profits. Decades ago, the news arm of the media never made a profit for their parent companies. Then, starting in the 80s the news departments increasingly fell under the control of the entertainment arm of the parent company. Now, the media is more worried about losing access to politicians (and therefore ratings and ad $money$) and advertisers through negative news stories. Now we have this watered down infotainment media that is detrimental and propagandistic.

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Response to RiverLover (Original post)

Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:55 AM

5. Aren't myths supposed to be WRONG? Or at least made up?

 

Those myths are realities.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:04 PM

7. The article disproved each myth.

That was sort of the point.

Logic is good.

But if you can prove each myth is correct & how the author was wrong, by all means....

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Response to RiverLover (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:12 PM

15. You don't seriously think he read the article do you? Hillaryites just like to take dumps

And leave.

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Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #15)

Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:36 AM

23. True that. /nt

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Response to RiverLover (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:31 PM

16. The article was simply selling a counter opinion to each "myth"

 

There was no disproving of anything in that article, just a different opinion.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #16)

Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:02 AM

19. tell us the myth about her trip to bosnia

 

lol

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Response to SoLeftIAmRight (Reply #19)

Wed Apr 13, 2016, 07:44 AM

26. but...'They were shooting at ME!! That's why no one else saw it! They weren't being shot at!

They were only SHOOTING AT ME!!"

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Response to RiverLover (Original post)

Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:05 PM

8. 40 Megaton K&R!

This is exactly the problem: Hillary is "The (D)" regardless of her positions on issues (does she even have any, other than to enrich herself?). And experience, as in her Iraq war vote? "But Bush told us he just wanted to pressure them into letting the inspectors back!" Fuck, us here at DU could smell his hard on for bombing the place from here! Don't give us that crap about believing that moron!

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Response to mindwalker_i (Reply #8)

Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:09 PM

13. Thanks for the K&R!

DINOs need to go.

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Response to RiverLover (Original post)

Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:06 PM

9. Myth #5 - She has more votes

Am I doing this right?

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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:07 PM

10. By voters buying into the myths...keeping her afloat....

Reading comprehension is an acquired skill.

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Response to RiverLover (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:03 AM

20. and over the head that went

 

we try - but they are hopeless

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Response to RiverLover (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:34 AM

32. Bernie supporters really know how to woo Hillary supporters

Just tell us that we've all been duped into voting for her and we'll happily switch to Sanders? Is that the plan?

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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:33 AM

29. So it appears to some but I seriously doubt all her wins are legitimate.

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Response to RiverLover (Original post)

Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:09 PM

11. Myth #5: nobody REALLY wants to vote for her...

...except for the millions of voters who did.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:05 AM

21. yes - half the people are below average

 

there are millions of them

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Response to SoLeftIAmRight (Reply #21)

Wed Apr 13, 2016, 07:17 AM

24. You really should put "You're too stupid to vote for my candidate" on a bumper sticker...

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #24)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:12 AM

38. even a broken clock

 

...

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Response to RiverLover (Original post)

Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:09 PM

12. Giving Sanders credit for the VA bill is misleading

 

It didn't happen until the public was outraged. It was going to happen because of that not because Sanders was on the committee.

There's a reason that groups like Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America pointed out that Sanders ignored them and avoided saying the VA had a problem. The House VA committee had 6 times as many hearings as did the Senate committee chaired by Sanders.

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Response to mythology (Reply #12)

Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:35 AM

22. fyi, (The Hill) "Bernie Sanders, Champion of Vets" 11/2015

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/defense/259677-bernie-sanders-champion-of-vets

He's been there for them for YEARS, always has their back.

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Response to mythology (Reply #12)

Wed Apr 13, 2016, 07:35 AM

25. Vets know that Bernie has our backs. That's why ...

 

In 2014 the American Legion honored Bernie with their Patriot Award; in 2015 the VFW presented to him their prestigious Congressional Award.










Nobody in DC is better for veterans than Bernie Sanders.

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Response to RiverLover (Original post)

Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:10 PM

14. Yes, what's facts got to do with it? (to paraphrase Tina)

 

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Response to RiverLover (Original post)

Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:32 PM

17. Great post, k and r nt

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Response to RiverLover (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2016, 07:53 AM

27. K&R!

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Response to RiverLover (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:33 AM

30. K/R, keep up the good work.

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Response to RiverLover (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:33 AM

31. Not nearly enough BOLD in that OP.

How can one possible tell which parts are important?

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Response to RiverLover (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:36 AM

33. And like a house of cards, all those false facades will crumble in the general election.

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Response to RiverLover (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:41 AM

35. K&R for truth and exposure.

 

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Response to RiverLover (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:13 AM

36. No

You're wrong on all four points. That makes you a "Liar, liar, pants on fire. Feel the Bern!"

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Response to RiverLover (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 05:01 PM

39. Repost this?

It needs to be said again.

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