BERNIE HEADLINES 1ST DAY OF VATICAN CONFERENCE!!!

[floppyboo]

Bernie scored the headline spot for the first day! The evening events include a response to Sanders, discussion, and closing final discussion.

This is incredibly HUGE!!!

[DrDan]

2. 4 in the afternoon sandwiched between a discussion and a coffee break is the headliner spot?

[AgingAmerican]

4. Envy

Cuz Hillary wasn't invited

[DrDan]

6. it is the shortest speaker-time allotment of the day

[AgingAmerican]

7. Or jealousy, which ever term you prefer...

[DrDan]

10. your delusion - your dime

[AgingAmerican]

11. Your preferred candidate was snubbed

So you do this...

[rock]

30. She wasn't snubbed

She didn't beg to be invited. See the difference?

[Nanjeanne]

75. Beg to be invited is your delusion. Invited is fact. Expressing interest in global povery is

a good thing.

See the difference?

[rock]

79. No

Is nonsense supposed to be funny?

[Nanjeanne]

82. Well the Hillarians seem to think so . . . so I guess the answer is Yes!

[Joe the Revelator]

89. Poverty is funny? That's the problem with Hillary.

[artislife]

122. It's cackle worthy...oh those little people nt

[enid602]

98. trade

Yeah, he wants to eliminate global povertyy by eliminating global trade. Only in Bernieworld.

[SCantiGOP]

136. You just don't understand

the meaning of the word "huge." It helps if you type it in ALL CAPS.

[Fawke Em]

114. Jeffrey Sachs, who was invited earlier, WANTED Bernie to be invited.

No one begged.

Maybe you should read up on him: http://jeffsachs.org/

But, he doesn't share the corporatist world view of your candidate, so he might scare you.

Boo!

[floppyboo]

12. Imagine your going to see a Rock show (okay, not Springsteen)

and you sit through a couple of opening acts, for say, 1 1/2 hours, or you skip this part altogether, and then after a refreshment and all the anticipation, you get the head liner.

Maybe you've never been out...

[DrDan]

14. lol - enjoy the delusion

[floppyboo]

27. You are so cute! Almost childlike innocence, except babies don't live that way intentionally. nt

[floppyboo]

5. YES!!! He's the closing speaker! Check the schedule.

Maybe you don't understand the significant difference between speaker and respondent and following discussion.
As a quick analogy, it's like when Obama holds a press release, then the press dude gets up to field some questions on what Obama said. Does that make sense to you?

[DrDan]

8. shortest time allotted for the day - lol

[AgingAmerican]

15. What time slot was Hillary invited to speak in?

Oh, wait....they didn't invite her...

[DrDan]

16. lol - you mean she did not ask for a 10 minute time slot

[AgingAmerican]

19. How long is Hillary's time slot?

For days you guys claimed he wouldn't be involved in any meaningful way. What changed?

[DrDan]

24. I am surprised he could break away from meeting with the Pope for even 10 minutes

[bjo59]

128. Oh, Please. What is the longest speaking slot? 15 minutes.

I'm really taken aback when I notice how most posts from supporters of Hillary Clinton are slams at Bernie Sanders over trivial things. I would have thought that Hillary Clinton supporters would be posting positive discussion points about the policies that Clinton is advancing or supports. What are those policies?

[DrDan]

131. just pointing this out in the context of the OP - that this is a headline speech

but I think there were some 30 minute speakers - not going to look it up

[Fawke Em]

20. 10 minutes is still better than NO minutes, which is what your candidate has. eom

[DrDan]

22. don't believe she asked for any minutes - she has a campaign to manage

[arcane1]

25. She has a Goldman Sachs fundraiser to attend. There, I fixed it for you.

[Fawke Em]

115. Actually, it's a $350,000 plate dinner with the Clooneys.

But, the point is still the same.

Rich people who don't want to pay taxes.

[litlbilly]

125. and whos campaign would that be?

[Joob]

132. You're not glad a candidate for the first time in history of the US was invited to speak about

morality at the vatican? To the world. You'reon the wrong side of history.

[DrDan]

133. I think it is an honor - I do not think there is a need to overstate what is happening

[brooklynite]

29. The closing speaker before the speaker 45 minutes later?

[floppyboo]

33. You should read the OP title at least before you post. doh! nt

[floppyboo]

49. No speakers follow Sanders. Just response and discussion nt

[brooklynite]

50. The "2nd response" is a scheduled speech...

...and was schedule in the program before the Sanders speech was shoehorned in.

[floppyboo]

66. oh, do you have that link, and were they responding to Correa instead? nt

[brooklynite]

78. Here's the schedule as it appeared on Saturday.

Programme

FRIDAY 15 APRIL 2016
MORNING
9:00 Word of Welcome
PASS President Professor Margaret Archer and Professor Daniel Finn

9:15 New Challenges and New Concerns since “Centesimus Annus” H.Em. Cardinal Oscar Andrés Rodríguez Maradiaga

10:00 Paper to be discussed: Changes in the World Economy Since 1981 Author: Professor Jeffrey Sachs
The fall of the Soviet Union was the major economic backdrop of Centesimus annus. Much has occurred economically since. What are the most salient changes in global economic life and how well does the economic insight of Centesimus annus illuminate those changes? What do recent economic crises and recent changes in economic thinking suggest for the near future of economic life?

10:30 Session #1: first respondent Professor Javier Iguíñiz

10:45 Discussion

11:00 Coffee Break

11:30 Session #2: second respondent Professor Stefano Zamagni

11:45 Discussion

12:00 General Discussion

13:15 Lunch

AFTERNOON
15:00 Paper to be discussed: Changes in the World Political Situation Since 1981 Author: President Rafael Correa
The fall of the Soviet Union and the democratization of Eastern Europe was the major political backdrop of Centesimus annus. What is the global political situation today and which elements require greater attention by both the international community and by Catholic social teaching?

15:30 Session #3: first respondent Professor Rocco Buttiglione

15:45 Discussion

16:00 Coffee Break

16:30 Session #4: second respondent Professor Hsin-Chi Kuan

16:45 Discussion

17:00 General Discussion

19:15 Dinner

They basically added a speech at 4 PM and pushed everything 15 minutes later. Less time to dress for dinner.

[passiveporcupine]

134. You were bitching that he was not on the program

so he must be lying about speaking at the conference.

Now you are bitching about where he is on the program and how long his speech will be.

You guys are never happy unless you can bitch about Bernie.

Now...what is going to happen if he ends up meeting the Pope?

Are you all going to find a way to bitch about that too...the somehow he rudely forced himself on the Pope, who was trying to go to the bathroom or something.

I think your behavior about this is pretty sad.

[floppyboo]

84. Looks like they changed alot! Wonder when that sched came out originally.

No Sachs, no Correa. What a difference a day makes!

[DanTex]

17. LOL. The coveted 10-minute slot right before the coffee break!

[floppyboo]

38. coveted last speaker of the day, I think you meant.

Coffee break, which will undoubtedly be a press frenzy!

[floppyboo]

45. I'll try another analogy you might understand:

Superbowl - last quarter - team wins!!! Then all the commentary.

Or are you really not understanding this at all?

[DanTex]

47. You realize there's a whole other day to the conference, right? And also that there's another

speaker after Bernie on the first day, right after the coffee break that they cut 10 minutes off of to slip Bernie a slot.

[HERVEPA]

55. Let's see. It's an exultation of larks, a pride of lions, and a bumfuckery of Dans.

[floppyboo]

57. Here's the latest link I have. Is there another? Because on this, there are no further speakers.

http://www.pass.va/content/dam/scienzesociali/booklet/centesimus_annus.pdf

I'm happy to correct if I am wrong. A respondent is not a speaker. They are by definition 'responding'. Get back to me when you've checked out your dictionary.

[DanTex]

65. "16:45 Session #4: second respondent Professor Hsin-Chi Kuan"

[floppyboo]

67. yes, I see that. Respondant. nt

[DanTex]

70. Umm, yeah, a respondent is a speaker.

Here's a clue, since you don't seem to be familiar with conferences. If they give you the closing remarks slot, they don't schedule a respondent to speak after you, no do they limit you to 10 minutes slipped in before a coffee break. And they definitely don't schedule a whole other day of conference after you speak.

[floppyboo]

76. nice try

A respondent, at such an event as this, will stick to remark 'responding' to the speaker. And as far as my experience goes, I've produced many events. So, piss off now. You will be my first hide!!!

[DanTex]

80. In other words, a respondent speaks. What's even more funny is that they slipped

Bernie in between two respondents on the same topic. His 10-minute slot is the conference equivalent of a janitor's closet.

[oasis]

87. They're giving Bernie a 5 min. introduction with circling doves

before he speaks. That's part of his 15 minute allotment.

[Octafish]

26. When's Hillary come on?

Oh. That's right.

[DrDan]

28. she is sticking around NY - her internals look pretty good - no reason to abandon ship

[jmg257]

37. Or maybe going to the Bay Area to peddle influence at a couple $353K /plate glam dinners.

Gotta keep the $$$ flowing!
Boats are expensive!

[DrDan]

44. helping the downticket candidates . . . what has your candidate done to help them

should he beat these incredible odds and get to the WH, what are the chances of any party support for his promised initiatives considering the support he has so far given them?

[arcane1]

46. Wow, you're throwing in every talking point Clinton has ever had, all in one thread.

This topic must really get to you

[DrDan]

51. just responding to the posts - I did not bring up that fundraiser

[floppyboo]

96. the downticket SD have already paid their own way.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/01/how-hillary-clinton-bought-the-loyalty-of-33-state-democratic-parties/

[litlbilly]

127. do you have the meme of the day list in front of you?

[HERVEPA]

59. You are privy to her doctor's reports?

[DrDan]

62. I see what you did - lol

[HERVEPA]

64. We do know what your colonoscopy reports would show.

[DrDan]

73. classy, juvenile, . . . but expected

[HERVEPA]

77. accurate

unlike certain posts

[Qutzupalotl]

81. and deserved.

[floppyboo]

86. ^^this^^

I am new to ignore. why am I still seeing this person's posts? Maybe I should un-ignore. Endless entertainment!

[DrDan]

99. and this coming from the guy who claims a 10 minute speech sandwiched between a discussion and a

coffee break is the day's headliner

priceless

[floppyboo]

102. Read it again!!!

LUNCH
3 pm - Paper by Rafael Correa - President of Ecuador (will he present it? Not clear)
3:30 - respondent
3:45 - discuss
4 pm - Speaker - Senator Sanders

4:10 - break

4:45 - respondent
5 pm - discussion

7:30 - dinner

And so, Sanders is the closing speaker. Yes, others will quote/unquote 'speak' afterwards, and you can be sure the international press will make up the majority of those voices!

Think of it - A whole 45 minutes for everyone to get their responses to Sanders together! Huuuuuge!

[DrDan]

103. lol

[floppyboo]

104. Yes, laughing at your mistakes is good! I think the Dalai Lama agrees too!

or are you still selectively reading? Anyways, you should be happy! Go for a walk, dig in the earth or something nt

[DrDan]

105. it's much too entertaining reading your delusions to take a break

[floppyboo]

106. Guess we're going to just have to wait and see how this plays out. Excited? I am!!! nt

[DrDan]

107. I know you are . . .

[floppyboo]

111. response from 'the guy'

would you be kinder if you knew I was a 'gal'?

Should I cry sexism? No, silly, I would never do that. It's all getting rather ridiculous around here. Going for that therapeutic walk in the woods now. see you later.

[Octafish]

126. Like Santana at Woodstock, daytime gigs can set the tone for the whole show.

If Hillary's our nominee, she'll have a lot of chances to visit Europe as President.

[arcane1]

31. Be nice! It would be UNFAIR to invite someone with zero credibility on the topics.

[Octafish]

123. Like Greek to me.

"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." -- Plato (c.427 - 347 BC)

[noiretextatique]

52. It's about the idolatry of money

That tells anyone who is honest why she would never get and invite.

[tex-wyo-dem]

108. Bernie speaking on the idolatry of money while...

Hillary speaks at a 353k per plate "fundraising" dinner...

Oh the irony.

[noiretextatique]

118. That explains the furious spinning eom

[Octafish]

124. Hey! It's never too late to invest your portfolio with Phil at UBS Wealth Management.

After his exit from the US Senate, Phil Gramm found a job at Swiss bank UBS as vice chairman. He later brought in former President Bill Clinton to the Wealth Management team. What a coincidence, they are the two key figures in repealing Glass-Steagal. Since the New Deal it was the financial regulation that protected the US taxpayer from the Wall Street casino. Oh well, what are a few hundred million in speaking fees compared to a $16 trillion bailout among friends?



It's a Buy-Partisan Who's Who:

President William J. Clinton
President George W. Bush Heh heh heh.
Robert J. McCann
James Carville
John V. Miller
Paula D. Polito
Anthony Roth
Mike Ryan
John Savercool

SOURCE: http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html

One of my attorney chums doesn't like to see his name on any committees, event letterhead or political campaign literature. These folks, it seems to me, are past caring.

Some of why DUers and ALL voters should care about Phil Gramm.

Until the Panama Papers, the fact USA's Notell-6 news media corpse don't bring this up AT ALL should be of great concern to all who care about Democracy.

[restorefreedom]

90. this just makes you guys look petty. is that really the look you are going for? nt

[DrDan]

92. the reaction of your side in trying to spin this as important is priceless

sorry to introduce reality into the fantasy

[restorefreedom]

93. its not the be all end all. but its also not meaningless.

why try and trash it? if its as unimportant or neutral as you all believe, then why not just let it play out? whats the harm?

[DrDan]

95. I think it is quite an honor - even just the invite is an honor

but why the need for some to make it more than it is? No need to inflate it.

on edit - and I have said the same thing the past few days

[restorefreedom]

97. then maybe we should just all move on

there will be a blurb afterwards, maybe a photo or two of him speaking. and then a helluva fight for new york.

personally, i would much rather be talking about hillarys relationship with wall street and why those transcripts have not been released, the loss of good union jobs due to nafta, and the corrupt campaign finance system rewarding those who do the masters bidding.

does that work for you? feel free to add your own fave issues

[Zira]

100. Relax, Hillary can speak at Goldman Sachs and promise them amnesty when she is president

just like Obama has given them.

Then she can broker a few more arms deals like Algeria and Saudi Arabia - getting the US approval and a huge donation to the Clinton foundation just like she already did. Who knows we can arm all kinds of countries that the US wouldn't normally approve so Hillary can personally get richer.

Then she can have a 10k dinner and you can go see her speak there.

You wouldn't want her speaking at the Vatican. That's for the NON-WAR Mongers and profiteers of war.

[DrDan]

101. just helping out the downticket candidates . . . at least one Dem candidate is willing to do that

[Kip Humphrey]

109. Hillary is spreading millions of corporate cash in attempt to corrupt and buy Democratic

politicians and their super delegate votes. Last I knew, buying votes is a fine example of corruption... as is money laundering (See DNC, 33 State Democratic Committees & the Hillary Victory Fund). How do you define corruption?

[DrDan]

110. I guess rationalizing the large difference in SDs is to be expected

[floppyboo]

3. Here's a link. I'm sorry for assuming everyone knew!

http://www.pass.va/content/dam/scienzesociali/booklet/centesimus_annus.pdf

The Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences & Institute for Advanced Catholic Studies
Centesimus Annus - 25 Years Later


So happy for Goodness!!!

[MuseRider]

13. Thanks for the link.

I looked and looked on the list of "those also participating" and did not see his name! Freaked me out since yesterday I was told he was just an "also participating" so it was not a big deal. Whew! Speaker, lol. Sounds like a pretty big deal to me. 🖒

[Fawke Em]

9. Oh, the hand-wringing this will cause the HRC supporters here.

http://www.pass.va/content/dam/scienzesociali/booklet/centesimus_annus.pdf

BTW, if anyone starts checking flights again, I will forward this information to his Secret Service detail. I find it very unhealthy - and, frankly, downright scary - that people were trying to find out what plane he'll be on. I remember Wellstone and Brown.

[geek tragedy]

18. What's your source for him being the headline speaker, and that the evening

events include a response to him?

[floppyboo]

21. check link at #3 nt

[geek tragedy]

23. it doesn't say he's the headline speaker, or that any part of the evening

discussion will be a response to him.

[DrDan]

32. of course not . . . and for good reason

[LisaM]

69. The responses aren't to his remarks

He's sandwiched in between a paper and the responses to that paper.

Surprised he's devoted so much time to a 25-year old initiative begun by a Pope with whom he can't possibly agreed with on many matters.

[azmom]

35. I'm so proud of our Bernie!!!

And so very, very, happy for him.

[senz]

36. A U.S. Senator invited to speak at a global conference. We should ALL be proud.

[merrily]

42. +1!

[merrily]

39. Bernie pretended to be about economic justice to attend this. Shame!

http://ih0.redbubble.net/image.191986776.6493/sticker,375x360.u1.png

[pdsimdars]

56. His 40+ year ruse finally paid off.

[merrily]

71. And it's only costing him 3 days plus jet lag during a campaign that is crucial to him personally.

Why, I oughtta.....

[CentralCoaster]

113. Where's Bernies long-form certified tax return??? Galavanting to Europe, can't produce his returns!

And I mean the LONG FORM, not some scrappy photoshop job!

[brooklynite]

40. No, no and...no

He's not the headliner, or keynoter

There's not "response to his comments", there's coffee followed by the previously scheduled second respondent to the "Change in the World Political Situation" paper

There's no discussion schedule for his speech, there's the previously scheduled discussion to the "Change in the World Political Situation" paper, followed by general discussion of the day's activities:

16:00 The Urgency of a Moral Economy: Reflections on the 25th Anniversary of Centesimus Annus
Senator Bernie Sanders
16:10 Coffee Break
16:45 Session #4: second respondent Professor Hsin-Chi Kuan
17:00 Discussion
17:15 General Discussion
19:30 Dinne

[geek tragedy]

68. "coffee break" gets more time than Bernie Sanders does nt

[brooklynite]

72. Do you know how long it takes to make a good espresso?

[geek tragedy]

74. "Locally Brewed Espresso Headlines Vatican Conference!!" nt

[Android3.14]

129. Sure wish Hillary had the ethical standing to speak on the idolatry of money

Of course, then she wouldn't be Hillary "Can I give a speech for $200,000" Clinton.

[DetroitSocialist83]

41. but but but

I thought he wasn't invited? If only they could have afforded Hillary's speaking fee. She could have told them about how the money changers in the temple were too big to fail!

[merrily]

43. Sanders is so low. He gives his fees to charity, but he charges a very low fee.

If he were a good person, he'd charge more so his gifts to charity would be larger.

There is simply no end to that man's evil, I tells ya! NONE!

[pdsimdars]

58. Beautifully said.

[Nanjeanne]

48. What an impressive group of global thinkers. I think Bernie is going to have a great time

meeting and talking with these participants. Dinner on Friday should be really stimulating!

[Lucinda]

54. You must be soooo dizzy! n/t

[CentralCoaster]

61. Can Hillary get an endorsement from the Vatican? Nope, don't think so, she can't do it.

She doesn't mind racist jokes, however.

[mmonk]

60. Don't crush the lies and dreams of the 1% with such things.

[dragonfly301]

63. Wow - look at all the petty people. n/t

[shanti]

116. what people?

there are 113 replies in this post, but i only see 20, lol.

[Ferd Berfel]

83. This will put the RW Third Way DLC DNC smear-machine cabal in to overdrive

[MineralMan]

85. Quite an overstatement you've made there.

He's not the keynote speaker. He isn't even presenting one of the papers for the conference. He is a responding speaker, who has 10 minutes for his remarks.

The headliner for a conference is the keynote speaker, not a responding participant.

Truly, I think you have misunderstood the importance of his place on the conference agenda in a serious way.

[floppyboo]

88. No - again, read the OP - I said Headliner for 1st day and never mentioned Keynote.

Fear tends to conflate things. I've got some kickass brownies that may help you out. oops, but then you'd end up with a criminal record and your family would be fucked. Hill should decriminalize, don't you think? Or do you want to keep paying out of your nose for fancy pharma's? You need something...

[MineralMan]

91. He's not headlining the first day, either.

He's an afternoon responding speaker.

As for your loaded brownie thing, thanks, but I'll pass. I gave up using the stuff in 1974, after being a daily toker. Your implication that I need some drug is insulting, actually. I wish you wouldn't do that.

[floppyboo]

94. The responding speakers are identified as 'responding'.

Bernie is not responding. He is giving a speech.

I am sorry I suggested you needed something. I guess we all need a little bit of something. When we devolve into semantics (guilty) its a good chance that the real point of the message is lost.

[pantsonfire]

112. Yeah, but the Pope didn't invite him....n/t

[uponit7771]

117. Cause Birdiebro said so?!?! :rolleyes:@FolkJustMakingShitUp

[Tarc]

119. A 10 minute slot right before coffee time is not "headlining"

My goodness, you lot get sillier by the second.

[itsrobert]

120. The number one rule from Camp Pinocchio is don't tell a little lie, go BIG.

He's Headlining.

[anotherproletariat]

121. Way to go!! Enjoy your trip...maybe take a few extra days for a second honeymoon? nt

[drray23]

130. yes sure

He is scheduled right before the coffee break. Its not headlining by any stretch of imagination. Not sure Bernie thought this through. He will spend 2 to 3 days flying there to give a 20 minute talk and fly back in the middle of a critical primary campaign.

The move was so transparent its not even guaranteed it will draw catholic voters. It may have the opposite effect. On top of that he is giving even more ammunitions to the gop by associating with evo morales and rafael correa, both pretty close to being dictators. He already had questionable associations with south american dictators in the past its not going to help. well played Bernie...

[Betty Karlson]

135. Eat your pride, certain supporters of the candidate whose invitation Francis rejected.

Spinners and liers, the lot of you.