I don't always want advice on Democratic Primary elections,

[MineralMan]

but when I do, I prefer Republican advice from Joe Scarborough, H. A. Goodman and Donald Trump.

[FSogol]

1. LOL. n/t

[Dr Hobbitstein]

2. "You're just attacking the messenger".

I remember a time when posting RW shit on DU to smear Dems would end in a hide. Now it ends in 100+ recs.

Ratfuckers, the lot of them.

[CalvinballPro]

12. You're more likely to get a hide now for opposing those posts. Jury system is broken too. nt

[Dr Hobbitstein]

14. This isn't my first rodeo.

I do not fear alert stalkers.

[Surya Gayatri]

16. They helped write the book on R-F-ing...

[geek tragedy]

3. And the NY Post, Daily Caller, Fox News, Ed Klein, etc etc etc.

My favorite was the Dick Morris one.

[MineralMan]

5. Too many to list in one short satirical statement.

Would have spoiled the effect, I think.

But, you're right, of course.

[Sky Masterson]

7. Shh.

They live in a special world where Hillary is electable.

[geek tragedy]

19. Hillary is very much electable.

She's proving it by winning the Democratic primary.

Check back here next Tuesday evening.

[Sky Masterson]

22. Yet her negatives are just a smidge above Donald Trumps.

She will be as great a president as President Kerry was
and Make President Gore look like President Dukakis!

[Bobbie Jo]

4. LOL!

I'm sensing a pattern here.

[DanTex]

6. LOL. K&R.

[MoonRiver]

8. This is how DU rolls now, sadly.

K&R

[MineralMan]

10. We appear to have reached the point of abject

desperation, where any argument from any source will do. The proverbial writing is blazing on the wall, it seems.

[MoonRiver]

13. I've been here awhile, as have you, and this is the worst I've ever seen.

I just don't understand why it's tolerated.

[MineralMan]

17. Well, it's community moderation.

It's still an experiment in progress, I think. What we can do is point out the disconnect from time to time.

[MoonRiver]

20. True

[NCTraveler]

9. I'm just hoping Judicail Watch is on the money with their stories!!!!

[CalvinballPro]

11. Don't forget John McCain. Democrats should totally nominate whoever John McCain has endorsed! nt

[Surya Gayatri]

15. But, of coouuuurse! To paraphrase that Sanders apologist, Cenk U.

Theirs are the FIRST names in Democratic punditry and consulting.

Absolutely the go-to guys for strategy and tactics.

You want the inside lowdown? These are your team!

Bwaahaaaaaaaaa!

[PufPuf23]

18. Regards JoeScar, a broken clock is correct twice a day.

"Rigged" may not be the best term.

To you think the power of the super-delegate system is good and / or should be retained?

[MineralMan]

21. You're the second person to use the broken clock analogy.

It doesn't apply to political punditry, however.

As for the superdelegate system, I have not seen it create a serious problem in any primary situation or convention. It will not this year, either. Whichever candidate has a majority of pledged delegates at the convention will be confirmed as the nominee on the first ballot. I'm absolutely certain about that.

Were there no superdelegates, the outcome would be the same. One of the two candidates will come to the convention with a majority of pledged delegates. That person would be the nominee if there were no superdelegates at all.

The problem seems to be that some supporters of one candidate don't like that majority concept very much. They are concerned that their favored candidate will not achieve that, and they want to somehow reverse the delegate count in some way.

The superdelegates won't do that for them, either way. They will confirm the primary and caucus outcomes and vote for the candidate who has the majority of pledged delegates. The only thing to do is to campaign for your favorite candidate and hope for a win. If there were three primary candidates, the picture would not be as clear, but there are only two.

Win or lose. Those are the two options. The system is what it is, and can't be changed for this election. To win, a candidate will simply have to get more pledged delegates than the other candidate within the system that is in place. It is that simple. If you want Bernie Sanders to win, then you can help him get the votes he needs. That's what will work. Nothing else will.

Do your best. I'll be voting for the Democratic Party nominee in November, regardless of the outcome. My primary event is over.

[PufPuf23]

23. Broken clock is an over-used analogy and admittedly I did not read thread but responded to your OP.

Thanks for explanation.

The problem I see this year was the primary season was so front loaded for Hillary Clinton to the degree Clinton was the presumed candidate before the primary season started.

As long as the super-delegates represent in proportion the popular vote, fine; however, my understanding is that the super-delegate system was put in place to limit grassroots to avoid another "McGovern" (my first POTUS vote BTW).

I think the problem is when the delegate vote does not track the popular vote and worse would be the event that the super-delegates turn the nomination counter to the popular vote.

I have always seen primaries as a time to examine the breadth of policy choices and then the selected candidate to a degree adds issues or modifies issues o reflect the Party as a whole.

I do not see Hillary Clinton doing this.

There is a chasm in the Democratic Party between the neo-liberal neo-conservative pro-foreign intervention/MIC and more traditional Democratic platforms of our youth. The 60s and early 70s split the Democratic Party between the pro- and anti-Vietnam and the neo-liberals (much like Rockefeller GOP in policy) moved into the Democratic Party and away from the GOP crazy and corrupt of the time.
The GOP grew even crazier, but the Democratic Party changed (and won elections) but greatly shifted the center to the right. T

The chasm may not be something that can be healed, the Democratic Party will need to redefine again or split or a sizable demographic remain without representation. The Sanders run represents those that have lacked representation, the FDR Democrats that became anti-war during Vietnam and their successors (and dead enders like me).

I know I will never vote GOP nor Trump and will vote Sanders in the California primary. I may not vote POTUS in general but would if it looks like my vote is necessary for Democratic Party to retain POTUS (which is important in and of itself).

I hope the super-delegate system is done away with and that the Democratic Party learns to consider candidates equally, for POTUS and in other elections.

[MineralMan]

24. Changes can certainly be made in the system

for future primary seasons. Problem is that they'll be made by people who are already leaders in the Democratic Party. They started being active in the party years ago. It takes time to rise to leadership positions in any organization.

Here in Minnesota, we're going to get rid of our presidential caucus system. The legislature is already working on a bill to do just that, and it has bipartisan support. Our Governor says he'll sign it. So, 2016 may have been our last presidential primary caucus. I've been actively supporting that legislation. Primaries better reflect the voting public than caucuses. I prefer primaries.

Change can happen. If you want to help make change happen, sign up now to become part of your local Democratic Party organization. Work on campaigns and GOTV efforts and on getting a leadership position at the local level. That's where it all starts.

This whole primary thing is far more complicated than you might think. State and national committees work for several years between presidential elections to put it together. It's a lot of work. Small details in the rules make big differences in outcomes. The first step is actually understanding the rules. You can find them at your state's Democratic Party website. They're the result of a long, long process of refinement and planning.

Nothing is simple about politics. Nothing, except people going to the polls and voting. How we get there, though, is complex, and varies from state to state.

[JoePhilly]

25. Its been pretty funny to watch some around here use those fools as reliable sources.

[MineralMan]

27. Any port in a storm, I guess, as long

as it is supportive of one's goals. Reliance on right-wing and other questionable sources has been one of the hallmarks of one candidate's supporters.

"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." - Abraham Lincoln

[Gothmog]

26. Who cares what Morning Joe, HA Goodman or Donald Trump think?

[MineralMan]

28. Apparently, some Sanders supporters care.

Today's GD-P thread list is full of it.

[madamesilverspurs]

29. Indeed.